₦airaland Forum

lezz:
Thanks for owning up to your daftness and advising yourself to leave in a cloud of shame. So long, Zulu. Watch from the sidelines as I expose the Zulu armies made up pap brains like you.

no shame poor Nigerian...enjoy your impossible dreams,fool

iblawi:
South Africa has only 6 pilot for Gripen not 9. They are even considering selling them.


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Four months after admitting that 12 of its 26 Gripen jet fighters had been placed in storage because they were too expensive to operate and there were not enough qualified pilots to fly them, South African officials admitted that the maintenance contracts for all the Gripens had expired in April. That made long term use of the Gripens dangerous. This contract was with a reliable, and expensive, South African firm (Denel). The maintenance contracts pay for ongoing support for the aircraft to include updates and warnings on problems other users have encountered as well as access to manufacturer engineers and maintenance experts. Aircraft become more dangerous to operate (if they operate at all) without regular maintenance and these maintenance contracts are a critical part of that. Some South African politicians are now calling for the Gripens to be sold, as there is not likely to be sufficient money to operate them and retain qualified pilots.

Currently only about half of the remaining 14 Gripens are flyable and there are only six qualified Gripen pilots. Corruption, shrinking defense budgets, and political pressure to find more black combat pilots and technical personnel has led to the South African Air Force having fewer operational aircraft. All this has been going on for over a decade.

For example, back in 2009, the South African Air Force stopped automatically releasing data on how many hours combat pilots flew for training. When the numbers were finally obtained, it was discovered that in 2008, fighter pilots were in the air for 325 hours (less than two hours a month per pilot). In contrast, pilots on VIP flights (carrying politicians and government officials) were up there 1,932 hours. There are about fifty transports and 80 helicopters in the air force at the time, and that number has continued to shrink.
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https://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/South-Africa-Loses-Use-Of-Its-new-Gripens-8-18-2013.asp



I hope this source is reliable.
Nigerian airforce is far better than your SAAF.

stop posting outdated sources

Henry120:
18 Gripen air crew

9 Pilots

9 Navigators

0 combat qualified pilots.

= full blown soweto class pathetic!

"its true because i say so"

Troll

Henry120:
[s]Soweto Nation of clueless hopelessness strikes again!


[b] Since the start of this month with 24 SA Air Force (SAAF) members now undergoing extended training in various aviation-related disciplines in the island republic.
That the airborne arm of the SA National Defence Force (SANDF) has its personnel problems, particularly in high-level skills sectors such as pilots, navigators and aircraft technicians, is common knowledge. It was again raised, albeit briefly, by defence minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula at AFB Waterkloof two weeks ago. She was briefing the media on aspects around the charter of a bizjet owned by a Gupta-owned company that flew Deputy President Cyril Ramaphosa and a small entourage to and from Japan.
She indicated approaches had been made by former SAAF members keen to sign up again and also mentioned collaboration with Cuba on training.
Department of Defence head of communications, Siphiwe Dlamini, confirmed this week that 24 SAAF members were now in Cuba.
“There are four SAAF members undergoing pilot training over a four year period and five members undergoing air traffic control training over a two year period. Another eight SAAF members are undergoing aviation engineering over a six year period and a further seven are doing three year aviation technical training courses. The courses commenced on September 1.



“The aim of the initiative is to increase co-operation and working relations between the Revolutionary Army of Cuba and SANDF in the spirit of improved co-operation as well as the promotion of military to military relations between the two countries,” he said.

The SA Army, specifically its vehicle maintenance section, has had about 100 Cuban mechanics and diesel specialists in its ranks since February as part of a technical agreement between the Caribbean island country and South Africa. They are working alongside South African maintenance personnel on Samil vehicles to create an internal pool of technical skills in the SANDF, Dlamini said at the time.
“This will enable the defence for to properly service and maintain its vehicles,” he said during a visit to a military vehicle maintenance workshop in Potchefstroom.
In April SANDF spokesman Brigadier General Xolani Mabanga said 25 students who planned on making their careers in the SA Military Health Service (SAMHS) were currently studying medicine in Cuba.[/s][/b]

This is a bad thing how?

Henry120:
Why don't you provide proof that we have a pilot shortage?

I have many times

Henry120:
Why don't you provide proof that we have a pilot shortage?

Why don't you proof that you have more than 3 operational obsolete F-7's and 3 generals who fly those relics.

DictatorZAR:
Why don't you proof that you have more than 3 operational obsolete F-7's and 3 generals who fly those relics.

wow!!,I never knew generals do fly fighter jets.

EVarn:
wow!!,I never knew generals do fly fighter jets.

Google is your friend.

Air Power Capability Demonstration at 2015 http://www.saairforce.co.za/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8350#p105298

Henry120:
Soweto Nation of clueless hopelessness strikes again!


[b] Since the start of this month with 24 SA Air Force (SAAF) members now undergoing extended training in various aviation-related disciplines in the island republic.
That the airborne arm of the SA National Defence Force (SANDF) has its personnel problems, particularly in high-level skills sectors such as pilots, navigators and aircraft technicians, is common knowledge. It was again raised, albeit briefly, by defence minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula at AFB Waterkloof two weeks ago. She was briefing the media on aspects around the charter of a bizjet owned by a Gupta-owned company that flew Deputy President Cyril Ramaphosa and a small entourage to and from Japan.
She indicated approaches had been made by former SAAF members keen to sign up again and also mentioned collaboration with Cuba on training.
Department of Defence head of communications, Siphiwe Dlamini, confirmed this week that 24 SAAF members were now in Cuba.
“There are four SAAF members undergoing pilot training over a four year period and five members undergoing air traffic control training over a two year period. Another eight SAAF members are undergoing aviation engineering over a six year period and a further seven are doing three year aviation technical training courses. The courses commenced on September 1.



“The aim of the initiative is to increase co-operation and working relations between the Revolutionary Army of Cuba and SANDF in the spirit of improved co-operation as well as the promotion of military to military relations between the two countries,” he said.

The SA Army, specifically its vehicle maintenance section, has had about 100 Cuban mechanics and diesel specialists in its ranks since February as part of a technical agreement between the Caribbean island country and South Africa. They are working alongside South African maintenance personnel on Samil vehicles to create an internal pool of technical skills in the SANDF, Dlamini said at the time.
“This will enable the defence for to properly service and maintain its vehicles,” he said during a visit to a military vehicle maintenance workshop in Potchefstroom.
In April SANDF spokesman Brigadier General Xolani Mabanga said 25 students who planned on making their careers in the SA Military Health Service (SAMHS) were currently studying medicine in Cuba.[/b]

What? Training with foreign militaries!! that's what professional militaries do/

Henry120:
Soweto Nation of clueless hopelessness strikes again!


[b] Since the start of this month with 24 SA Air Force (SAAF) members now undergoing extended training in various aviation-related disciplines in the island republic.
That the airborne arm of the SA National Defence Force (SANDF) has its personnel problems, particularly in high-level skills sectors such as pilots, navigators and aircraft technicians, is common knowledge. It was again raised, albeit briefly, by defence minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula at AFB Waterkloof two weeks ago. She was briefing the media on aspects around the charter of a bizjet owned by a Gupta-owned company that flew Deputy President Cyril Ramaphosa and a small entourage to and from Japan.
She indicated approaches had been made by former SAAF members keen to sign up again and also mentioned collaboration with Cuba on training.
Department of Defence head of communications, Siphiwe Dlamini, confirmed this week that 24 SAAF members were now in Cuba.
“There are four SAAF members undergoing pilot training over a four year period and five members undergoing air traffic control training over a two year period. Another eight SAAF members are undergoing aviation engineering over a six year period and a further seven are doing three year aviation technical training courses. The courses commenced on September 1.



“The aim of the initiative is to increase co-operation and working relations between the Revolutionary Army of Cuba and SANDF in the spirit of improved co-operation as well as the promotion of military to military relations between the two countries,” he said.

The SA Army, specifically its vehicle maintenance section, has had about 100 Cuban mechanics and diesel specialists in its ranks since February as part of a technical agreement between the Caribbean island country and South Africa. They are working alongside South African maintenance personnel on Samil vehicles to create an internal pool of technical skills in the SANDF, Dlamini said at the time.
“This will enable the defence for to properly service and maintain its vehicles,” he said during a visit to a military vehicle maintenance workshop in Potchefstroom.
In April SANDF spokesman Brigadier General Xolani Mabanga said 25 students who planned on making their careers in the SA Military Health Service (SAMHS) were currently studying medicine in Cuba.[/b]

What? Training with foreign militaries!! that's what professional militaries do.

jln115:
What? Training with foreign militaries!! that's what professional militaries do.

You are a hopeless liar!

The article clearly states you do not have adequate Pilots, Navigators and Aircraft engineers.

Let me add the part of the article which was left out....for whatever reason . So basic logic shows if the SAAF is busy training pilots from Oman, they could also easily train their own pilots. 4 SAAF pilot trainees going to Cuba, when 9 foreign pilots being trained here. Simple military co-operation seen in plenty other airforces around the world. Oh and 4 pilot trainees isnt even 10% of the initial batch of student pilots who join the SAAF every year.


"While South Africa is sending trainee pilots and others to Cuba, the SAAF's Central Flying School at AFB Langebaanweg is currently home to a group of nine pupil pilots and an instructor from the Royal Air Force of Oman. The group arrived at the West Coast base in September a year ago to start a 16 month pilot's course.


The Omani air force operates 12 Pilatus PC-9M turboprop training aircraft, the last of which was delivered in March 2000. Corrosion and other problems have seen all the aircraft go back to the Pilatus factory in Switzerland for major overhaul and refurbishment work. With its training aircraft out of action for at least a year, a decision was taken to outsource training and the SAAF bid was successful."

patches689:
Proof that nigeria has "dozens" of pilots who can land at sea

No proof = trolling

No source ever said Nigerian navy has shortage of pilots, or is there a source that says every navy in the world has such and such number of pilots

The ONLY AIR FORCE WITH REPORTED AND PUBLISHED pilots relevant to this forum is South African air force, Gripen jet pilot shortage and Lynx helicopter pilot shortage.

There is no report of Nigerian navy pilot shortage for landing at sea, the problem does not exist, so no report exists.

South Africa can only land one Lynx helicopter at sea for ever
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patches689:
You said your navy has 400 vessels

Post a citation to prove that

My two sources have already counted hundreds, no single source will list 400 vessels on one page.

= 75 major vessels already confirmed by ship names NNS series of ships

= My source adds several new British boats

= Also adds dozens of Singaporean and Chinese gunboats, river boats, and landing crafts

= Then adds 30 new gunboats that arrived a few months ago brand new

The above already counts about 200 vessels conservatively.

The global security list does not include Hollands supply of 60 X-18 Combat stealth catamarans, 6 K-13 fast boats, that is another 66 boats making 266, then add this list where Australia alone supplied Nigerian navy 150 units of new gunboats :

CONFIRMED DELIVERIES OF OVER 200 RIVER GUNBOATS LANDING CRAFT TO THE NIGERIAN ARMED FORCES

PREAMBLE: This report focuses ONLY on the CONTRACT won by SINGAPORE’s SUNCRAFT GROUP for which the actual construction was outsourced to the AUSTRALIA’s STRATEGIC MARINE GROUP’s SHIPYARDS with shipyards in Australia, Vietnam and Mexico.

PROOF: WEBLINK TO BE VIEWED

http://www.strategicmarine.com/media/19 … ements.pdf

*PROJECT DATE: 2008-2009

YARD BUILT: VIETNAM
QUANTITY: 4 (FOUR) UNITS
DESCRIPTION: 20-METRE LANDING CRAFT
VESSEL NAME:
CLIENT: SUNCRAFT INTERNATIONAL
COUNTRY: NIGERIA

*PROJECT DATE: 2008-9
YARD BUILT: AUSTRALIA
QUANTITY: 15 (FIFTEEN) UNITS

DESCRIPTION: 16-METRE PATROL VESSELS
VESSEL NAME:
CLIENT: SUNCRAFT INTERNATIONAL
COUNTRY: NIGERIA
*PROJECT DATE: 2008-9
YARD BUILT: VIETNAM
QUANTITY: 40 (FORTY UNITS)

DESCRIPTION: 12-METRE PATROL VESSELS
VESSEL NAME:
CLIENT: SUNCRAFT INTERNATIONAL
COUNTRY: NIGERIA
*PROJECT DATE: 2008
YARD BUILT: AUSTRALIA
QUANTITY: 4 (FOUR) UNITS

DESCRIPTION: 17-METRE PATROL VESSELS
VESSEL NAME: MANTA
CLIENT: SUNCRAFT INTERNATIONAL
COUNTRY: NIGERIA

Note that with the delivery of THREE more MANTA boats to the Nigerian Navy in May 2011, the Nigerian Navy are now estimated to field about 15 units of Manta ASD Littoral Interceptor.

*PROJECT DATE: 2005-8
YARD BUILT: AUSTRALIA
QUANTITY: 150 (ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY)

DESCRIPTION: 10-METRE LANDING/PATROL CRAFT
VESSEL NAME: SCORPION MK.II
CLIENT: SUNCRAFT INTERNATIONAL
COUNTRY: NIGERIA




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How many vessels does the TINY South African navy have ?[/size]
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patches689:
Aradu is not operational and refit has not been confirmed

Stop dragging this forum backwards, NNS Aradu refit is officially confirmed and posted here many times .

"The Chief of Naval Staff (CNS), Vice Admiral Usman Jibrin revealed this during the ceremonial sunset to signal the end of the 59th anniversary of the Navy.

He said that the decision was borne out of the desire to equip the Navy for local building of ships, noting that the firm which will be domiciled at the Naval Dockyard, will take on the rehabilitation of Nigeria’s flagship, NNS ARADU , six strides boats, and build some interceptor boats, to ensure the emplacement of adequate security within the nation’s waters."

http://shipsandports.com.ng/navy-partners-uae-firm-in-local-shipbuilding/

Stop asking for repeat of sources that have been posted already, stop messing up this forum you South Africans !!!!!!!
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patches689:
Post citation for effectiveness of NNS Centenary decoys

Post citation that your old version Exocet can beat our modern HP-J 14 decoys, it`s up to you to prove it`s effectiveness as a decoy since you are the one challenging it, show us proof that HP-J 14 is not effective.

patches689:
Citations posted by myself show that your platform has no sonar

Stop wasting our time

You posted no source that says Lynx MK-89 it has no sonar....you liar, fraudster !

jln115:
Listen retaaard that round disc houses the sonar !! The reason the Lynx in your photo doesn't have that nose housing is because at that time ASW helicopters were only fitted with sonobuoy/dipping sonars.

secondly you havent provided any sources yet!! I want a link!!

Lastly Modern ASW helicopters: (what do they all have in common?)

Different ASW helicopters have different hardware construction and Lynx has over ten different versions all over the world varying from country to country you fool !

Post you a link, yes I did, SIPRI org databases http://www.sipri.org/databases Says Nigerian lynx is AWS and that makes you a born fool.

Next, Super Lynx sonar is NOT in the nose, the sonar is a long oblong tube, and you cannot put that inside a radar you dummy, nobody puts long fat iron tubes inside a circular shaped radar, your dull transplanted zulu brain does not know what mathematically symmetrical shapes mean....fool !

See photo of what sonar looks like...they are placed in the middile of helicopters not their nose, it needs to be dragged along the sea for many kilometers, how do you think it`s inside the nose....mumu zulu head

patches689:
stop posting outdated sources

His source is 2013.

You are the one posting outdated 2009 sources of an era when NAF had not even received any F-7 jet at that time.

agaugust:
Post citation that your old version Exocet can beat our modern HP-J 14 decoys, it`s up to you to prove it`s effectiveness as a decoy since you are the one challenging it, show us proof that HP-J 14 is not effective.

What are decoys designed to do?

The seduce or fool the incoming missile's seeker.

here's the twist with late seeker activation it means you might deploy your decoys while the missile is still approaching a point or area where it will activate its seeker and lock on.

Sea skimming missiles are difficult to detect due the fact they fly below the radar cone coverage of targets they are attacking.

In terms of combat capability the SA navy tactical fleet can reduce any navy in sub Saharan Africa to the button of the sea.

Henry120:
Soweto Nation of clueless hopelessness strikes again!


Since the start of this month with 24 SA Air Force (SAAF) members now undergoing extended training in various aviation-related disciplines in the island republic of Cuba.

That the airborne arm of the SA National Defence Force (SANDF) has its personnel problems, particularly in high-level skills sectors such as pilots, navigators and aircraft technicians, is common knowledge. It was again raised, albeit briefly, by defence minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula at AFB Waterkloof two weeks ago. She was briefing the media on aspects around the charter of a bizjet owned by a Gupta-owned company that flew Deputy President Cyril Ramaphosa and a small entourage to and from Japan.

She indicated approaches had been made by former SAAF members keen to sign up again and also mentioned collaboration with Cuba on training.

Department of Defence head of communications, Siphiwe Dlamini, confirmed this week that 24 SAAF members were now in Cuba.
“There are four SAAF members undergoing pilot training over a four year period and five members undergoing air traffic control training over a two year period. Another eight SAAF members are undergoing aviation engineering over a six year period and a further seven are doing three year aviation technical training courses. The courses commenced on September 1.


“The aim of the initiative is to increase co-operation and working relations between the Revolutionary Army of Cuba and SANDF in the spirit of improved co-operation as well as the promotion of military to military relations between the two countries,” he said.

The SA Army, specifically its vehicle maintenance section, has had about 100 Cuban mechanics and diesel specialists in its ranks since February as part of a technical agreement between the Caribbean island country and South Africa. They are working alongside South African maintenance personnel on Samil vehicles to create an internal pool of technical skills in the SANDF, Dlamini said at the time.
“This will enable the defence for to properly service and maintain its vehicles,” he said during a visit to a military vehicle maintenance workshop in Potchefstroom.

In April SANDF spokesman Brigadier General Xolani Mabanga said 25 students who planned on making their careers in the SA Military Health Service (SAMHS) were currently studying medicine in Cuba.

Tiny Cuba defeated big fat South Africa in Angolan Bush war 1990.

Tiny Cuba training South African army on homeland soil Soweto to maintain South African made vehicles 2014.

Tiny Cuba training South African air force pilots 2015.

Tiny Cuba becomes master over big fat South Africa for the past 25 years non-stop.

Tiny Cuba confirms that South African air force still has chronic pilots shortages from jets to helicopters, proves what we have been saying is correct up till now September 2015 and so shall it ever be.

Hey, look oooooo, defenceweb has come again ooooo !!!!!!

Shame of the century, see the Southies that laugh at other people for using PMC trainers

[size=13pt]Exclusive: Cuba now teaching flying and air traffic control to SA Air Force members[/size]

SOURCE : http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=40658:exclusive-cuba-now-teaching-flying-and-air-traffic-control-to-sa-air-force-members&catid=111:sa-defence&Itemid=242

https://www.cliparthut.com/clip-arts/594/laughing-clip-art-594049.jpg
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MikeCZAR:
What are decoys designed to do?

The seduce or fool the incoming missile's seeker.

here's the twist with late seeker activation it means you might deploy your decoys while the missile is still approaching a point or area where it will activate its seeker and lock on.

Sea skimming missiles are difficult to detect due the fact they fly below the radar cone coverage of targets they are attacking.

In terms of combat capability the SA navy tactical fleet can reduce any navy in sub Saharan Africa to the button of the sea.

Your private garbage opinion with ZERO proof or source. Keep ranting in your bedroom with self delusion
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agaugust:
Different ASW helicopters have different hardware construction and Lynx has over ten different versions all over the world varying from country to country you fool !

Post you a link, yes I did, SIPRI org databases http://www.sipri.org/databases Says Nigerian lynx is AWS and that makes you a born fool.

Next, Super Lynx sonar is NOT in the nose, the sonar is a long oblong tube, and you cannot put that inside a radar you dummy, nobody puts long fat iron tubes inside a circular shaped radar, your dull transplanted zulu brain does not know what mathematically symmetrical shapes mean....fool !

See photo of what sonar looks like...they are placed in the middile of helicopters not their nose, it needs to be dragged along the sea for many kilometers, how do you think it`s inside the nose....mumu zulu head

Dude!! is that what you call a source? Your so called link says nothing about Nigerian lynx's!

Henry120:
You are a hopeless liar!

The article clearly states you do not have adequate Pilots, Navigators and Aircraft engineers.

Dude we train with other militaries to better our selves, that's what professional militaries do! The US, Netherlands, British ect ect ect have all come for training in South Africa to better themselves!!

agaugust:
Your private garbage opinion with ZERO proof or source. Keep ranting in your bedroom with self delusion
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Weak attempt at a come back.


Try again!


The ZAR is Back.

jln115:
Dude!! is that what you call a source? Your so called link says nothing about Nigerian lynx's!

How do you think I got all the data and information about specs, dates, and numbers of weapons transfer?

How do you think I know SAAF imported only 25 Iris-T missiles and SAN has only 17 Exocets ?

How do you think I post SIPRI information of all types and countries on this forum since 2012 ?

Dunce you are....full time mumu from birth

That's a source, SIPRI website link, click on it and go to arms transfer register, select country , supplier and receiver of arms.

Then select years of arms sales.

Fool.....dullard white boy with Zulu brain does not even know how to access information from international arms sales log

You are a disgrace to the nation of South Africa.....dull headed people, second dullest brains in the world according to WEF report
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MikeCZAR:
Weak attempt at a come back.


Try again!


The ZAR is Back.

.....from Soweto jail.....how was the food, still corn pap for all prisoners?

jln115:
Dude we train with other militaries to better our selves, that's what professional militaries do! The US, Netherlands, British ect ect ect have all come for training in South Africa to better themselves!!

You train the British to fly aircraft that Britain sold to you ? Prove it.
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jln115:
What? Training with foreign militaries!! that's what professional militaries do/

If SAAF is truly professional, tiny Cuba will not be teaching your Gripen flying air force simple air AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL
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agaugust:
How do you think I got all the data and information about specs, dates, and numbers of weapons transfer?

How do you think I know SAAF imported only 25 Iris-T missiles and SAN has only 17 Exocets ?

How do you think I post SIPRI information of all types and countries on this forum since 2012 ?

Dunce you are....full time mumu from birth

That's a source, SIPRI website link, click on it and go to arms transfer register, select country , supplier and receiver of arms.

Then select years of arms sales.

Fool.....dullard white boy with Zulu brain does not even know how to access information from international arms sales log

You are a disgrace to the nation of South Africa.....dull headed people, second dullest brains in the world according to WEF report
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Hey fvcktard!! the onus is not on me to provide the correct link. Post a link that clearly stats Nigeria operates ASW lynx's!!

agaugust:
If SAAF is truly professional, tiny Cuba will not be teaching your Gripen flying air force simple air AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL
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Yes teaching us skills that we don't have, just like we taught the US, Netherland, British, Nigeria ect ect skills they don't have, its what professional militaries do, oh and BTW SAAF trains The Royal Air Force of Oman as well!