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hinwazaka:
That's what Buhari and his finance minister told us in 84 about SAP. It was not until our economy crashed and we could no longer handle the depression, that IBB kicked him out and implemented a poorly altered form of the programme. As I said both you and the OP know nothing about economics. You and him just search the web and put out here disjointed views of some school of thought.

PassingShot:
[b]This thread is of course a response to this https://www.nairaland.com/2590889/see-what-happening-nigerias-economy

For us to understand and appreciate what the new government has done or not done for the country, it’s very important to revisit the type of economy it inherited from the last regime as enumerated below:

1. The Nigerian economy operates a budget which is heavily skewed in favour of recurrent expenditure (about 90%) against capital expenses (about 10%) as represented by 2015 budget here http://www.punchng.com/news/jonathan-signs-n4-425tn-2015-budget/

Implication of this is that there will be no real development in the core areas that sustain and improve economic development.

2. Nigerian economy is largely dependent on crude export. Even the crude price has fallen below the benchmark price ($53 per barrel) on which the 2015 budget was based. Crude now sells at around $47 per barrel.

3. As at April 2015, the Federal Government of Nigeria had borrowed $4.4bn to pay salaries of its workers for March and April 2015. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-3070070/Nigeria-borrows-pay-salaries-cash-crunch-worsening.html

4. GEJ met the reserve at $47.7bn in 2010 but still managed to reduce it to $29.6bn despite that crude sold for an average of $100 per barrel (peaked at about $140/barrel). The country’s FR plays a huge role in giving confidence to foreign investors in Nigeria’s economy. The higher the value the higher the confidence in the economy and vice versa.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-3070070/Nigeria-borrows-pay-salaries-cash-crunch-worsening.html[/b]

I could go on and on but these will suffice for now.
Now, let’s see OcheJoseph ‘s points one after the other:


Yes, Nigeria will be delisted from Bond Index of JP Morgan. However, it amounts to crass ignorance for any sane analyst to want to blame the government of the day. JP Morgan started the process of reviewing Nigeria’s continued participation in its bond index in January of this year given the fact that we had depleted our FR to an abysmal level while our currency continued to lose values.

For Nigeria to continue to participate in the BI, the conditions given by JP Morgan are very detrimental to our economy. Nigeria will have to devalue the Naira and possibly will exchange for about N350 to a dollar. This will drive up inflation which means cost of imports and even local goods will go up. Cost of doing business will shoot up and productivity will expectedly drop which will eventually lead to massive retrenchment by the companies.

So, should Nigeria have chosen to remain or accepted to be delisted? I wait for your answer.



What do we expect when the FG as at May 29 had not released a kobo towards capital development? The capital expenditure in the 2015 budget is paltry 10% of about N4.5tn and NOTHING had been released as at the exit of the last govt. So what miracle do we expect?




This is too cheap and very misleading. Job losses are a constant part of any economy and if it’s not as a result of a government’s policy or not on an industry-wide scale, you cannot put the blame on the government. Even in the link you provided, it was clearly stated that the layoff was not for any reason of threat or loss as quoted

“One thing that is clear is that Zenith Bank is not under any threat,” the source, who spoke with our reporter on condition of anonymity. “With the current crisis in the banking industry in the country, it is incumbent on any bank that wants to growth to bend backwards to re-strategize and restructure its operations to expand and grow.

Is the OP insinuating that there were no job losses during Jonathan’s regime? Or that every job loss was due to his mismanagement of the economy?




At some point during GEJ’s era, the naira exchanged at above N235 to a dollar. That it trades at N220 currently represents an overall gain from N235/N240. The CBN is on a mission to make it difficult if not impossible, for stolen dollars from our reserves to be easily exchanged or transferred abroad. Besides, the fact is that crude price has dropped and our over dependence on imported goods among others have naturally put pressure on the naira.


The headline reads “Nigerian economy slows in Q2” and not “Nigerian Economy Slumps”, Both are not same and don’t mean same thing.

The quarter 2 referred to represents April, May and June of 2015 and GEJ was in charge in April and May. Does it then make any sense to blame a presidency which was in charge of one month out of three months for the slow down in the growth?

Again, the fact is that the economy would have collapsed completely had GEJ managed to win the last election. The economy was already on a downward slide by the time we voted him out. So, for anyone to attempt to put economic woes that we may currently be experiencing on PMB/VPYO smacks of irresponsible partisanship.



What is the news here? Must Nigeria do business with China or any other country for that matter?
Nigeria will do business with anyone whose policy and business terms and conditions favour her. This is no rocket science.





The loss is as a result of JP Morgan’s delisting and it was definitely expected following the announcement. The loss is not Nigeria’s loss but investors. When investors have gained in the past, was the gain given or shared with the country?

As I said earlier, CBN/DMO/MOF and Nigeria as a whole has taken the right decision to stand up to JP Morgan’s manipulative tendencies. We cannot because of foreign or even local investors accept conditions that could bring the country to its knees.


If anyone needs to use their brain, it’s you and your co-travellers.

You lots preferred we continue with a failed president/government. You wanted us to continue with a regime that could not manage surplus and bounty harvest in times of scarcity. You wanted us to continue with a government which recognized stealing as the norm. You wanted us to continue with a government of wastes; a government that placed militants above law abiding citizens; a government that couldn’t guarantee security such that a portion of the country was in control of some rag tag terrorists.

Buhari ison a mission to stop the bleeding the economy was going through. He is on a mission to prevent a very bad situation from getting worse. He is on a mission to restore our lost glory, sanity, accountability and pride where STEALING WILL BE SEEN AS CORRUPTION.

May God continue to guide President Buhari & VP Osinbajo aright
May Nigerians prosper better under his selfless leadership

CC: Lalasticlala Seun Obinoscopy

drss:
all this amala economist no get job at all. how will this write up change the fact that zoogeria lost $6 billion, 60,000 construction job lost, 1200 banking jobs lost, food prices rising rapidly in d last 4 months due to buari's olodoness and dullardness. no fertilizers for farmers again.

Symphony007:
New governments in serious countries state announcing key cabinet positions and articulate salient policy BEFORE their inuagration, do you think is for show? They understand economics and know that an hour of uncertainty can wipe off all the market gains made in 4 years. This government has been acting like a blind man in a dark room and the economy is tanking and they still don't know what to do.

SeverusSnape:
The paid Goon again.

Always on time to defend the Presidiot, He's as predictable as a pig within stone throw from a pile of faeces.

@ topic, trash as usual. Trillions of Naira have been lost by investors and this one is here wanking. Buhari as usual has no idea what's going on, That is why we need to see his genuine WASC result, I'm sure he got Z9 not even F9.

naijaking1:
Nigeria economy has started a downward spiral to an islamic banking model where one naira equals one dollar, essential goods are scarce, and difference between official and black market rates is huge.
Welcome to Buhari's economy.

PassingShot:
[b]This thread is of course a response to this https://www.nairaland.com/2590889/see-what-happening-nigerias-economy

For us to understand and appreciate what the new government has done or not done for the country, it’s very important to revisit the type of economy it inherited from the last regime as enumerated below:

1. The Nigerian economy operates a budget which is heavily skewed in favour of recurrent expenditure (about 90%) against capital expenses (about 10%) as represented by 2015 budget here http://www.punchng.com/news/jonathan-signs-n4-425tn-2015-budget/

Implication of this is that there will be no real development in the core areas that sustain and improve economic development.

2. Nigerian economy is largely dependent on crude export. Even the crude price has fallen below the benchmark price ($53 per barrel) on which the 2015 budget was based. Crude now sells at around $47 per barrel.

3. As at April 2015, the Federal Government of Nigeria had borrowed $4.4bn to pay salaries of its workers for March and April 2015. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-3070070/Nigeria-borrows-pay-salaries-cash-crunch-worsening.html

4. GEJ met the reserve at $47.7bn in 2010 but still managed to reduce it to $29.6bn despite that crude sold for an average of $100 per barrel (peaked at about $140/barrel). The country’s FR plays a huge role in giving confidence to foreign investors in Nigeria’s economy. The higher the value the higher the confidence in the economy and vice versa.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-3070070/Nigeria-borrows-pay-salaries-cash-crunch-worsening.html[/b]

I could go on and on but these will suffice for now.
Now, let’s see OcheJoseph ‘s points one after the other:


Yes, Nigeria will be delisted from Bond Index of JP Morgan. However, it amounts to crass ignorance for any sane analyst to want to blame the government of the day. JP Morgan started the process of reviewing Nigeria’s continued participation in its bond index in January of this year given the fact that we had depleted our FR to an abysmal level while our currency continued to lose values.

For Nigeria to continue to participate in the BI, the conditions given by JP Morgan are very detrimental to our economy. Nigeria will have to devalue the Naira and possibly will exchange for about N350 to a dollar. This will drive up inflation which means cost of imports and even local goods will go up. Cost of doing business will shoot up and productivity will expectedly drop which will eventually lead to massive retrenchment by the companies.

So, should Nigeria have chosen to remain or accepted to be delisted? I wait for your answer.



What do we expect when the FG as at May 29 had not released a kobo towards capital development? The capital expenditure in the 2015 budget is paltry 10% of about N4.5tn and NOTHING had been released as at the exit of the last govt. So what miracle do we expect?




This is too cheap and very misleading. Job losses are a constant part of any economy and if it’s not as a result of a government’s policy or not on an industry-wide scale, you cannot put the blame on the government. Even in the link you provided, it was clearly stated that the layoff was not for any reason of threat or loss as quoted

“One thing that is clear is that Zenith Bank is not under any threat,” the source, who spoke with our reporter on condition of anonymity. “With the current crisis in the banking industry in the country, it is incumbent on any bank that wants to growth to bend backwards to re-strategize and restructure its operations to expand and grow.

Is the OP insinuating that there were no job losses during Jonathan’s regime? Or that every job loss was due to his mismanagement of the economy?




At some point during GEJ’s era, the naira exchanged at above N235 to a dollar. That it trades at N220 currently represents an overall gain from N235/N240. The CBN is on a mission to make it difficult if not impossible, for stolen dollars from our reserves to be easily exchanged or transferred abroad. Besides, the fact is that crude price has dropped and our over dependence on imported goods among others have naturally put pressure on the naira.


The headline reads “Nigerian economy slows in Q2” and not “Nigerian Economy Slumps”, Both are not same and don’t mean same thing.

The quarter 2 referred to represents April, May and June of 2015 and GEJ was in charge in April and May. Does it then make any sense to blame a presidency which was in charge of one month out of three months for the slow down in the growth?

Again, the fact is that the economy would have collapsed completely had GEJ managed to win the last election. The economy was already on a downward slide by the time we voted him out. So, for anyone to attempt to put economic woes that we may currently be experiencing on PMB/VPYO smacks of irresponsible partisanship.



What is the news here? Must Nigeria do business with China or any other country for that matter?
Nigeria will do business with anyone whose policy and business terms and conditions favour her. This is no rocket science.





The loss is as a result of JP Morgan’s delisting and it was definitely expected following the announcement. The loss is not Nigeria’s loss but investors. When investors have gained in the past, was the gain given or shared with the country?

As I said earlier, CBN/DMO/MOF and Nigeria as a whole has taken the right decision to stand up to JP Morgan’s manipulative tendencies. We cannot because of foreign or even local investors accept conditions that could bring the country to its knees.


If anyone needs to use their brain, it’s you and your co-travellers.

You lots preferred we continue with a failed president/government. You wanted us to continue with a regime that could not manage surplus and bounty harvest in times of scarcity. You wanted us to continue with a government which recognized stealing as the norm. You wanted us to continue with a government of wastes; a government that placed militants above law abiding citizens; a government that couldn’t guarantee security such that a portion of the country was in control of some rag tag terrorists.

Buhari ison a mission to stop the bleeding the economy was going through. He is on a mission to prevent a very bad situation from getting worse. He is on a mission to restore our lost glory, sanity, accountability and pride where STEALING WILL BE SEEN AS CORRUPTION.

May God continue to guide President Buhari & VP Osinbajo aright
May Nigerians prosper better under his selfless leadership

CC: Lalasticlala Seun Obinoscopy

freedom96:
all u are good at is insult....i hope it's not something u inherited.Tribalistic idiiot

PassingShot:
[b]This thread is of course a response to this https://www.nairaland.com/2590889/see-what-happening-nigerias-economy

For us to understand and appreciate what the new government has done or not done for the country, it’s very important to revisit the type of economy it inherited from the last regime as enumerated below:

1. The Nigerian economy operates a budget which is heavily skewed in favour of recurrent expenditure (about 90%) against capital expenses (about 10%) as represented by 2015 budget here http://www.punchng.com/news/jonathan-signs-n4-425tn-2015-budget/

Implication of this is that there will be no real development in the core areas that sustain and improve economic development.

2. Nigerian economy is largely dependent on crude export. Even the crude price has fallen below the benchmark price ($53 per barrel) on which the 2015 budget was based. Crude now sells at around $47 per barrel.

3. As at April 2015, the Federal Government of Nigeria had borrowed $4.4bn to pay salaries of its workers for March and April 2015. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-3070070/Nigeria-borrows-pay-salaries-cash-crunch-worsening.html

4. GEJ met the reserve at $47.7bn in 2010 but still managed to reduce it to $29.6bn despite that crude sold for an average of $100 per barrel (peaked at about $140/barrel). The country’s FR plays a huge role in giving confidence to foreign investors in Nigeria’s economy. The higher the value the higher the confidence in the economy and vice versa.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-3070070/Nigeria-borrows-pay-salaries-cash-crunch-worsening.html[/b]

I could go on and on but these will suffice for now.
Now, let’s see OcheJoseph ‘s points one after the other:


Yes, Nigeria will be delisted from Bond Index of JP Morgan. However, it amounts to crass ignorance for any sane analyst to want to blame the government of the day. JP Morgan started the process of reviewing Nigeria’s continued participation in its bond index in January of this year given the fact that we had depleted our FR to an abysmal level while our currency continued to lose values.

For Nigeria to continue to participate in the BI, the conditions given by JP Morgan are very detrimental to our economy. Nigeria will have to devalue the Naira and possibly will exchange for about N350 to a dollar. This will drive up inflation which means cost of imports and even local goods will go up. Cost of doing business will shoot up and productivity will expectedly drop which will eventually lead to massive retrenchment by the companies.

So, should Nigeria have chosen to remain or accepted to be delisted? I wait for your answer.



What do we expect when the FG as at May 29 had not released a kobo towards capital development? The capital expenditure in the 2015 budget is paltry 10% of about N4.5tn and NOTHING had been released as at the exit of the last govt. So what miracle do we expect?




This is too cheap and very misleading. Job losses are a constant part of any economy and if it’s not as a result of a government’s policy or not on an industry-wide scale, you cannot put the blame on the government. Even in the link you provided, it was clearly stated that the layoff was not for any reason of threat or loss as quoted

“One thing that is clear is that Zenith Bank is not under any threat,” the source, who spoke with our reporter on condition of anonymity. “With the current crisis in the banking industry in the country, it is incumbent on any bank that wants to growth to bend backwards to re-strategize and restructure its operations to expand and grow.

Is the OP insinuating that there were no job losses during Jonathan’s regime? Or that every job loss was due to his mismanagement of the economy?




At some point during GEJ’s era, the naira exchanged at above N235 to a dollar. That it trades at N220 currently represents an overall gain from N235/N240. The CBN is on a mission to make it difficult if not impossible, for stolen dollars from our reserves to be easily exchanged or transferred abroad. Besides, the fact is that crude price has dropped and our over dependence on imported goods among others have naturally put pressure on the naira.


The headline reads “Nigerian economy slows in Q2” and not “Nigerian Economy Slumps”, Both are not same and don’t mean same thing.

The quarter 2 referred to represents April, May and June of 2015 and GEJ was in charge in April and May. Does it then make any sense to blame a presidency which was in charge of one month out of three months for the slow down in the growth?

Again, the fact is that the economy would have collapsed completely had GEJ managed to win the last election. The economy was already on a downward slide by the time we voted him out. So, for anyone to attempt to put economic woes that we may currently be experiencing on PMB/VPYO smacks of irresponsible partisanship.



What is the news here? Must Nigeria do business with China or any other country for that matter?
Nigeria will do business with anyone whose policy and business terms and conditions favour her. This is no rocket science.





The loss is as a result of JP Morgan’s delisting and it was definitely expected following the announcement. The loss is not Nigeria’s loss but investors. When investors have gained in the past, was the gain given or shared with the country?

As I said earlier, CBN/DMO/MOF and Nigeria as a whole has taken the right decision to stand up to JP Morgan’s manipulative tendencies. We cannot because of foreign or even local investors accept conditions that could bring the country to its knees.


If anyone needs to use their brain, it’s you and your co-travellers.

You lots preferred we continue with a failed president/government. You wanted us to continue with a regime that could not manage surplus and bounty harvest in times of scarcity. You wanted us to continue with a government which recognized stealing as the norm. You wanted us to continue with a government of wastes; a government that placed militants above law abiding citizens; a government that couldn’t guarantee security such that a portion of the country was in control of some rag tag terrorists.

Buhari ison a mission to stop the bleeding the economy was going through. He is on a mission to prevent a very bad situation from getting worse. He is on a mission to restore our lost glory, sanity, accountability and pride where STEALING WILL BE SEEN AS CORRUPTION.

May God continue to guide President Buhari & VP Osinbajo aright
May Nigerians prosper better under his selfless leadership

CC: Lalasticlala Seun Obinoscopy

drss:
all this amala economist no get job at all. how will this write up change the fact that zoogeria lost $6 billion, 60,000 construction job lost, 1200 banking jobs lost, food prices rising rapidly in d last 4 months due to buari's olodoness and dullardness. no fertilizers for farmers again.

Kastonkastroll:
passingshot, Nigeria didn't borrow up to that amount($473billion) to settle the wages and salaries of it workers. I guess you made a mistake there

Apart from my above observation, you are 100% right about everything you said, but unfortunately there are so many dummies(PDP goons) here who won't be able to grab what you said..


Kudos man

luchy34:
and it's still going to get worse, what these gullible fools haven't realised is that PMB romance with the West is seriously going to affect us. GEJ knew that, and that is why he had a close relationship with Asia especially China who would always be a grateful Ally to Jonathan administration. There was a massive boom in local production of goods under GEJ administration, which was seriously affecting US and other Western counterparts. That's why Nigeria's economy became the largest in Africa, for the first time beating south Africa..

xamuelotu:

Rawani:
You have neither said anything of scholastic value, nor countered my explanation or any of the OP's points so far with substance.

Conjectures and anecdotes won't cut it. All up there is hot air.

Rawani:
What part my previous response befuddles you? Kurt Lewin in his theory of change asserted that for effective change to take place, three stages must be involved; (1) Unfreeze (2) Modify (3) Refreeze.

(1) Unfreeze - Removal of any hindrances to the planned reforms such as partisan officials, corrupt elements, inefficient practices and procedures e.t.c. These cannot be done during the transition period, only after hand-over.

(2) Modify/Change - Implementation of new reforms and practices, appointment of new competent and credible officers etc.

(3) Refreeze - Consolidation on new reforms, enforcement of streamlined procedures and practices, and evaluation of performance.

The economic shocks we are witnessing are as a manifestations of stage 1, the extra time required was because of the extra rot that had amassed over the years that had to be cleared. We are presently at stage 2, hope this makes it a bit clearer.

hinwazaka:
I'd rather play golf than write a 3 page essay to someone who never attended a class of Eco 312. That would be equivalent to a physicist explaining the nature of quantum physics to a kindergarten student. You have to crawl before you leap. If you couldn't understand or see the relationship between SAP and the new stringent conditionalities implemented by the CBN, then why should I waste my time.

Dharniel:
was expecting to see you or whynotthetruth on the thread and i wasn't dissapointed...

hinwazaka:
I'd rather play golf than write a 3 page essay to someone who never attended a class of Eco 312. That would be equivalent to a physicist explaining the nature of quantum physics to a kindergarten student. You have to crawl before you leap. If you couldn't understand or see the relationship between SAP and the new stringent conditionalities implemented by the CBN, then why should I waste my time.