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The only thing that is recent in SAN is just 4 Frigates and 3 subs every other thing is over thirty years old.
Obsolete NAVY.

MikeCZAR:
You think modern submarines are like WW2 U-Boats.

They have radar warning or radar systems.

A submarine can be anywhere trying to detect a snorkel at sea is just madness.

Fool, radar does not work from underwater, your submarine snorkelling level does not allow it to use radar that is submerged under water.

Snorkels stick out of the ocean surface into the air, they are heat exhaust tube for running the diesel engine, thus producing heavy thermal emissions for enemy aircraft FLIR to detect. Also, powerful enemy aircraft radar like NAF ATR-42 or Beechcraft will detect the snorkel tube sticking out above the sea surface, and long range TV camera with image magnification will see both the snorkel and the water white on blue wake it makes as the submarine travels along.

You see the difference between Agaugust on Nairaland and the Augustine on Beegeagle? Agaugust has no respect for your diesel engine submarine, so come back and talk to us when you have a nuclear power submarine that will not snorkel for a whole year and stay underwater as long as the sailors have food to eat.

agaugust:
Show us where a 2,200 km/h missile has been used or tested to stop a twice faster 4,000 km/h missile. Show us, you dummy
.

Tell me what scenario will an Umkhonto missile be intercepting such missile, so I can better make you understand how missiles work.

MikeCZAR:
Tell me what scenario will an Umkhonto missile be intercepting such missile, so I can better make you understand how missiles work.

Ask your Southie friends who claim Umkhonto will stop an F-7 missile fired on a Super Lynx.

agaugust:
Fool, radar does not work from underwater, your submarine snorkelling level does not allow it to use radar that is submerged under water.

Snorkels stick out of the ocean surface into the air, they are heat exhaust tube for running the diesel engine, thus producing heavy thermal emissions for enemy aircraft FLIR to detect. Also, powerful enemy aircraft radar like NAF ATR-42 or Beechcraft will detect the snorkel tube sticking out above the sea surface, and long range TV camera with image magnification will see both the snorkel and the water white on blue wake it makes as the submarine travels along.

You see the difference between Agaugust on Nairaland and the Augustine on Beegeagle? Agaugust has no respect for your diesel engine submarine, so come back and talk to us when you have a nuclear power submarine that will not snorkel for a whole year and stay underwater as long as the sailors have food to eat.

ATR-42 range: 800-900km.

Taking off from inland air force bases that range is further reduced, searching the entire sea for a submarine which might long be 1000km out at sea recharging for the next attack.

To detect the sub you have to pray for it to snorkel.

The opposing navy is in control as your vessels can't operate freely.

agaugust:
Ask your Southie friends who claim Umkhonto will stop an F-7 missile fired on a Super Lynx.

If it is within the protection umbrella of the SAM it will.

iblawi:
The only thing that is recent in SAN is just 4 Frigates and 3 subs every other thing is over thirty years old.
Obsolete NAVY.

Compare that to Nigeria.

MikeCZAR:
Compare that to Nigeria.

we have over 100+ new vessels.

SAN is a disgrace.

MikeCZAR:
ATR-42 range: 800-900km.

Taking off from inland air force bases that range is further reduced, searching the entire sea for a submarine which might long be 1000km out at sea recharging for the next attack.

To detect the sub you have to pray for it to snorkel.

The opposing navy is in control as your vessels can't operate freely.

You come again with false figures on ATR-42, who told you it's travel range is only 900 km ? Post source. It has 11 hours flight endurance and radar range 407 km detection, if it flies for 5 minutes the radar has scanned over 2,000 km of sea water line. Fool !

1,000 km away what is your submarine doing inside Angolan's waters? You have 1,000 km range torpedo to fire from Angola to Nigeria? Are you blockading Angolan waters or Nigerian waters ? Fool !

Nobody prays for diesel submarine to snorkel, it must do so in 2 days or else the engine battery will die and it will crash into sea bottom. Fool !

Better come to Nigeria and buy common sense, I don't know what's missing in your skull, maybe medula oblongata.

agaugust:
You come again with false figures on ATR-42, who told you it's travel range is only 900 km ? Post source. It has 11 hours flight endurance and radar range 407 km detection, if it flies for 5 minutes the radar has scanned over 2,000 km of sea water line. Fool !

1,000 km away what is your submarine doing inside Angolan's waters? You have 1,000 km range torpedo to fire form Angola to Nigeria? Fool !

Nobody prays for diesel submarine to snorkel, it must do so in 2 days or else the engine battery will die and it will crash into sea bottom. Fool !

Better come to Nigeria and buy common sense, I don't know what's missing in your skull, maybe medula oblongata.

I wonder where they get their wrong info from.

agaugust:
You come again with false figures on ATR-42, who told you it's travel range is only 900 km ? Post source. It has 11 hours flight endurance and radar range 407 km detection, if it flies for 5 minutes the radar has scanned over 2,000 km of sea water line. Fool !

1,000 km away what is your submarine doing inside Angolan's waters? You have 1,000 km range torpedo to fire form Angola to Nigeria? Fool !

Nobody prays for diesel submarine to snorkel, it must do so in 2 days or else the engine battery will die and it will crash into sea bottom. Fool !

Better come to Nigeria and buy common sense, I don't know what's missing in your skull, maybe medula oblongata.

Short legged! That's what subs do they can anywhere and gives the commander great flexibility.

You can search days and days!!!

Data regarding how long it can stay underwater is classified.

MikeCZAR:
Short legged! That's what subs do they can anywhere and gives the commander great flexibility.

You can search days and days!!!

Data regarding how long it can stay underwater is classified.

Nope, underwater time is about 100 hours maximum.

Only a fool needs days and days to find a Submarine that can only submerge for 100 hours....you think submarines are ghosts ? Fool
.

agaugust:
Tell me about SANDF ancient 1950 to 1980 equipment still in frontline service :

1. Dakota MPA
2. Ratel IFV
3. Olifant Mk1 tank
4. Casspir MRAP
5. Samil vehicles
6. Batleur rocket launcher
7. Cessna aircraft
8. Warrior class patrol boats
9. Recoilless anti-tank gun
10. Vulture drone

That's ten different obsolete junk equipment in your arsenal, yet you pick on other people's old weapons, you have tons of them too

1. Daks will be replaced by 2018
2. Ratels have been upgraded to mk3 status, and are also being partly replaced by the Badger IFV.
3 Only a handful of Olifants are not upgraded to MK1B and MK2 standard
4 Nothing Wrong with our Casspirs, even today they are still considered as one of the best MRAPs on the market, they have also been upgraded to MK3 status.
5 Nothing wrong with our Samil trucks, even you said you like them!!
6 Still one of the longest firing 127mm MLRS systems in the world!!
7 Nothing wrong with our Cessna's, they are perfect light transports for our conditions and have been upgraded throughout the years.
8 Vulture UAVs are part of the G5 and G6 artillery system and work perfectly.

agaugust:
Nope, underwater time is about 100 hours maximum.

Only a fool needs days and days to find a Submarine that can only submerge for 100 hours....you think submarines are ghosts ? Fool
.

How many days are there in a 100 hours Augustine?

agaugust:
Does South Africa have the American Raytheon SM-6 missile you are quoting here? No.

Case closed.

BWAHAHAHA… SA IS THE FIRST TO INTRODUCE THE COMPLEX TECH OF SAM MISSILE THAT CAN LOCK ON TO OTHER MISSILES AUTOMATICALLY AND SHOOT AT THEM DOWN. UMKHONTO MISSILE CAN DO THE PIONEER OF SM-6 YET THEY ARE BOTH NOT CALLED ANTI-MISSILE MISSILE. YOU ARE STILL BACKWARD WITH TECHNOLOGY.

From manufacture:



http://www.deneldynamics.co.za/products/missiles/air-defence-missiles/umkhonto

I quote:

The missile ishigh-velocity and infrared homing, providing all-round defence against simultaneous attacks from missiles and aircrafts. Although, this is a surface to air missile, it is also capable of taking out stationery surface targets. The Umkhonto was designed with a 23 kg warhead for High-kill probability, unlike other SAM missile systems in its class. Quote closed.

Umkhonto kills other missiles as proven and tested.

Case-closed.

agaugust:
Ask your Southie friends who claim Umkhonto will stop an F-7 missile fired on a Super Lynx.

Your F7 is handicapped.

agaugust:
Fool, radar does not work from underwater, your submarine snorkelling level does not allow it to use radar that is submerged under water.

Snorkels stick out of the ocean surface into the air, they are heat exhaust tube for running the diesel engine, thus producing heavy thermal emissions for enemy aircraft FLIR to detect. Also, powerful enemy aircraft radar like NAF ATR-42 or Beechcraft will detect the snorkel tube sticking out above the sea surface, and long range TV camera with image magnification will see both the snorkel and the water white on blue wake it makes as the submarine travels along.

You see the difference between Agaugust on Nairaland and the Augustine on Beegeagle? Agaugust has no respect for your diesel engine submarine, so come back and talk to us when you have a nuclear power submarine that will not snorkel for a whole year and stay underwater as long as the sailors have food to eat.

1. Citation needed that snorkeling submarine cannot use radar

2. Citation needed that ATR can detect an object witg the RCS of a snorkel

Until you post proof for these two things, your entire argument falls flat

agaugust:
You come again with false figures on ATR-42, who told you it's travel range is only 900 km ? Post source. It has 11 hours flight endurance and radar range 407 km detection, if it flies for 5 minutes the radar has scanned over 2,000 km of sea water line. Fool !

1,000 km away what is your submarine doing inside Angolan's waters? You have 1,000 km range torpedo to fire from Angola to Nigeria? Are you blockading Angolan waters or Nigerian waters ? Fool !

Nobody prays for diesel submarine to snorkel, it must do so in 2 days or else the engine battery will die and it will crash into sea bottom. Fool !

Better come to Nigeria and buy common sense, I don't know what's missing in your skull, maybe medula oblongata.

Prove your claims

How big is the RCS of a submarine snorkel?

You have admitted that a Heroin class can sink your whole navy

agaugust:
Nigeria has reserved anti-submarine capability on Lynx helicopters and NNS Aradu itself having her ship sonar and torpedoes.

South Africa has been proved to have submarines but zero anti-submarine capability.

If you send submarines to threaten a country, you also miss the use of that submarine in you own home, travelling far to attack leaves you exposed at home with less defensive capability.

The size of the navy you attack with submarine, actually matters, for example Nigeria has the biggest navy in Africa with about 400 vessels.

Too many platforms are available to Nigeria to hunt and sink a submarine, it is delusion and ignorance for a South African diesel-electric engine submarine to be called elusive.....only a nuclear power engine submarine can be truly elusive.

Diesel submarine will be forced to snorkel in 2 days or else battery power dies and it will sink to sea bottom.

With powerful coastal radars, coastal TV cameras, ATR-42 surveyors, Beechcraft 350 ER, Diamond ISR aircraft, armed CH-3 drone, armed stealth Catamaran IPV with echo sounder underwater object detectors, armed high speed ocean interceptor with radars and FLIR, Alpha jets and Mi-35 helicopters.....your snorkeling submarine will be found and killed after 2 days underwater, it must part-surface to snorkel and death will came that hour !

It's hard to fight a major African power like Nigeria, it's very hard, Nigeria has too many things to throw back at the enemy.

You have no ASW platforms operational

You yourself have said so

You dont have the biggest navy in africa

agaugust:
SANDF has no seeker drone. NAF has missile armed drones, most advanced in all Africa from Cape Town to Cairo.

Only Nigeria has experience of armed drone combat in Africa and one of the 5 countries on planet earth.

Its been ordered


Deal with it

agaugust:
Saengine and Patches have confirmed that the DENEL Seeker 400 drones are NOT for SANDF, they are for Immigration- Border Agency


Mr. Msauza Always kills himslef dead !!!!!

That is not what we said

stop telling lies

You disgust me

agaugust:
F-7 will shoot down your Lynx if it flies withing the Umkhonto 15 km range umbrella, we have 22 km range missile on F-7.

Also, we have Drones with 10 km range air to surface missiles, if it can climb to 8.5 km altitude, we will sink Valour frigates .

Delusion

agaugust:
The NATO navies that exercised with SAN were training your incompetent fools in your navy that has ZERO combat experience in 70 years.

Nigerian navy exercises with NATO and they know our navy has war experience from Biafra war to Liberia to Sierra Leone to Niger Delta.

http://thenationonlineng.net/navy-hosts-multinational-sea-exercise/

Nigerian navy did the only Naval amphibious assault in African history on a scale bigger than what Britain did in Falklands war.

1. Nigeria does not conduct high intesity naval combat training with anyone

2. That assault was a failure and was not bigger than the falklands war

This is boring

agaugust:
We are already doing that sir, and after the refit NNS Aradu will ra.pe your Valour frigates

How??

agaugust:
The main 76mm guns on all your 4 Valour frigates were purchased in 1970s, removed from scrap yard and repainted to put on a stealth ship.

Your navy is both dumb and out-dated.. Fact

They are Super-Rapids

Confirmed with sources

Stop wasting our time

iblawi:
The only thing that is recent in SAN is just 4 Frigates and 3 subs every other thing is over thirty years old.
Obsolete NAVY.

Only thin that is recent in the NN is 2 OPV's

Everything else is 44 years old

agaugust:
The report actually SAYS CLEARLY and confirms that :

"Some of the equipment that must be replaced dates back to the 1950s, including trucks and aircraft."

http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2015/09/15/SANDF-goes-shopping

What do you think we are doing?

What did all those pictures have in common?

You want to talk about your mis-matched obsolete army?

agaugust:
All Mi-35 owners have legal right to service it at home if they have engineers, upgrade is allowed if they have experts.

SA just got commercial licence to do the work as profit making venture, that the difference.

Nigeria services her Mi-35 at home with our own NAF technicians, and we fabricate some spare parts locally for it.

Citation needed

agaugust:
With your ordinary gun and unguided rockets on the Rooivalk ?....and 20 year old design and avionic tech...old junk Rooivalk

Better than the 40 year old hind design

agaugust:
The NATO navies that exercised with SAN were training your incompetent fools in your navy that has ZERO combat experience in 70 years.

Nigerian navy exercises with NATO and they know our navy has war experience from Biafra war to Liberia to Sierra Leone to Niger Delta.

http://thenationonlineng.net/navy-hosts-multinational-sea-exercise/

Nigerian navy did the only Naval amphibious assault in African history on a scale bigger than what Britain did in Falklands war.

Bwahahaha… where was your obsolete Grandfather Arandu?


Oh!!! I didn't know Biafra and some poor Sierra Leone rebels and pirates in Niger Delta had frigates and submarine to test your navy.

agaugust:
No maximum ceiling is confirmed for CH-3 drone on internet. Manufacturer has classified it. Most reputable military websites are silent on the maximum ceiling .

http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=1378

If the writer of that blog did not have any information about it ceiling at the time of publishing does not mean other sources won't.

The maximum ceiling of CH-3 is 6000m
Wiki put it at 4km.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CASC_Rainbow

Umkhonto will kill it dead

Finish and Klaar.