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agaugust:
[size=13pt]According to your own Defence minister and military experts :

http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2015/09/15/SANDF-goes-shopping

The report actually confirms that :

"Some of the equipment that must be replaced dates back to the 1950s, including trucks and aircraft."

Helmod said "Critical equipment, including trucks and armoured infantry vehicles, need to be replaced. We desperately need light anti-tank
weapons and reconnaissance vehicles. Our artillery and antiaircraft weapons systems need upgrading."

Stupart agreed that a lot of SANDF equipment had to be replaced
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And compared to your military?

agaugust:
You don't need a citation to tell your dumb head that a properly snorkelling submarine only protrudes a snorkel, the radar is on the submarine hull or conning tower underwater and radar does not work through water, it's an air wave you fool ! Your physics teacher told you that radar waves travel trough water, or radar is used from ships to detect submarine under water? Why was sonar invented to replace radar for scanning through water? Mumu !

You show me the RCS size of your subs snorkel, lets see if it's as tiny as you think.

ATR-42 has high power Gabbianno radar, it has long range TV camera, and FLIR for detecting the massive diesel engine heat pouring out of your snorkel's exhaust pipe, the RCS does not matter to a visual TV or thermal detector you dunce !
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1. Citation needed that submarine radar is on the conning tower... o wait!! Pic related!!

2. You said the ATR could detect it... so then show us with a citation

3. Again, irrelevant, provide citations


Big problem is: What are you going to do when you find the sub? Throw bricks at it?

patches689:
1. Nigeria does not conduct high intesity naval combat training with anyone

2. That assault was a failure and was not bigger than the falklands war

This is boring

Bonny landing of 3rd marine commandos, a whole division size in operation OAU 1968, was the defeat of Biafra.

Nigeria landed about 20,000 troops on sea shore, the whole British army in falkalands war was about 9,000 troops.

South Africa has NEVER done amphibious landing in your SANDF or SAN war history, only NN has done it in Africa.

Nigerian military amphibious landing on Biafra was a huge success. South Africa has never attempted such a combat feat because your navy and army have ZERO amphibious war capacity, your entire army does not even have one single amphibious armoured vehicle and your military chiefs have no brain to plan a massive amphibious assault.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/nigeria/marine-commando.htm
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patches689:
They are Super-Rapids

Confirmed with sources

Stop wasting our time

Dont drag this forum back to that issue, SAN confirmed Valour frigates have NO modern super rapid guns, I proved it here, I would rather log out than go back to old concluded arguments that add no value,

Msauza:
If the writer of that blog did not have any information about it ceiling at the time of publishing does not mean other sources won't.

The maximum ceiling of CH-3 is 6000m
Wiki put it at 4km.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CASC_Rainbow

Umkhonto will kill it dead

Finish and Klaar.

My source is not a blog, it's military factory website and world respected as a military data source. Even Jane's defence does not publish the drone max ceiling.

Your Wikipedia is an unreliable source, anybody can edit it.

Now you landed two sources that disagree with each other, one says 4km another says 6km, so which one is right? Mumu

Sorry your source is garbage....loser .

agaugust:
Bonny landing of 3rd marine commandos, a whole division size in operation OAU 1968, was the defeat of Biafra.

Nigeria landed about 20,000 troops on sea shore, the whole British army in falkalands war was about 9,000 troops.

South Africa has NEVER done amphibious landing in your SANDF or SAN war history, only NN has done it in Africa.

Nigerian military amphibious landing on Biafra was a huge success. South Africa has never attempted such a combat feat because your navy and army have ZERO amphibious war capacity, your entire army does not even have one single amphibious armoured vehicle and your military chiefs have no brain to plan a massive amphibious assault.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/nigeria/marine-commando.htm
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Where does it say in that link anything you have claimed?

You claimed landings that were bigger than falklands

Citation please

And FYI - your citation states that your landing during the war in biafra was a DISASTER

agaugust:
Dont drag this forum back to that issue, SAN confirmed Valour frigates have NO modern super rapid guns, I proved it here, I would rather log out than go back to old concluded arguments that add no value,

Citations provided state otherwise

Stop being a child

agaugust:
[s]My source is not a blog, it's military factory website and world respected as a military data source. Even Jane's defence does not publish the drone max ceiling.

Your Wikipedia is an unreliable source, anybody can edit it.

Now you landed two sources that disagree with each other, one says 4km another says 6km, so which one is right? Mumu

Sorry your source is garbage....loser .[/s]

No, Janes is respected. Military Factory is a passion project and not on the same level as Janes.

If Janes does not publish it then that is because no one knows.

MikeCZAR:
That's more than four days you realise right?

Yes they are ghosts. Sweden tried hunting a similar ghost last year.

You have nothing to counter submarines!!!!

Your navy warships will be called back to naval bases.

4 days is not a useful naval blockade. After 4 days your submarine will die.

Sweden did not use aircraft to hunt the submarine, the worst enemy of submarines is enemy aircraft, they destroy them more than ships can do.

agaugust:
4 days is not a useful naval blockade. After 4 days your submarine will die.

Sweden did not use aircraft to hunt the submarine, the worst enemy of submarines is enemy aircraft, they destroy them more than ships can do.

4 days is more than long enough for a sub to do the damage it needs.

You forget about our Valour class, they will hold the blockade while the subs do the killing

agaugust:
Dont drag this forum back to that issue, SAN confirmed Valour frigates have NO modern super rapid guns, I proved it here, I would rather log out than go back to old concluded arguments that add no value,

So what do you call denel CIWS.

agaugust:
My source is not a blog, it's military factory website and world respected as a military data source. Even Jane's defence does not publish the drone max ceiling.

Your Wikipedia is an unreliable source, anybody can edit it.

Now you landed two sources that disagree with each other, one says 4km another says 6km, so which one is right? Mumu

Sorry your source is garbage....loser .

Generally you hardly find drones that can fly over 8000m in altitude. Such drones are very scares bra.

Msauza:
PL-9C Has the same speed as umkhonto which is Mach 2. Both its AAM and SAM version.


http://www.deagel.com/Air-to-Air-Missiles/PL-9_a002626001.aspx


http://www.armyrecognition.com/china_chinese_army_missile_systems_vehicles/pl-9c_shorad_short_range_ground-to-air_missile_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video.html

Umhkonto missile speed is slow at 2,500 km/h.

PL-9C missile speed is about double that of Umkhonto, PL-9C speed is about 4,300 km/h confirmed from China.

PL-9 IR-guided missile was first developed in the late 80s based on PL-8/Python-3 technology and is for export only. It has an all-aspect InSb seeker and a radio fuse. Its range is 500m minimum and 16km maximum. Speed is Mach 3.5 and load is 40g. Its forward control fins look similar to those of AIM-9L (double delta). The latest variant of PL-9 is called PL-9C with improved multi-band IR seeker and a new programmable digital processor giving it a greater IRCCM capability and higher killing probability. Its range is also increased to 20km. Here two PL-9C AAMs are seen being carried by a F-7PG fighter to be delivered to PAF. However PAF eventually decided to procure AIM-9Ls for its F-7PG fleet instead. PL-9C is expected to be the standard air-to-air weapon for the new F-7NI/BG/NM series exported to Nigeria, Bangladesh and Namibia.

http://chinese-military-aviation..ca/p/missiles-i.html

Umkhonto is a freaking weak missile.

agaugust:
PL-9C missile speed is double that of Umkhonto, PL-9C speed is about 4,300 km/h confirmed from China.

PL-9 IR-guided missile was first developed in the late 80s based on PL-8/Python-3 technology and is for export only. It has an all-aspect InSb seeker and a radio fuse. Its range is 500m minimum and 16km maximum. Speed is Mach 3.5 and load is 40g. Its forward control fins look similar to those of AIM-9L (double delta). The latest variant of PL-9 is called PL-9C with improved multi-band IR seeker and a new programmable digital processor giving it a greater IRCCM capability and higher killing probability. Its range is also increased to 20km. Here two PL-9C AAMs are seen being carried by a F-7PG fighter to be delivered to PAF. However PAF eventually decided to procure AIM-9Ls for its F-7PG fleet instead. PL-9C is expected to be the standard air-to-air weapon for the new F-7NI/BG/NM series exported to Nigeria, Bangladesh and Namibia.

http://chinese-military-aviation..ca/p/missiles-i.html

Posting a blog as evidence

Into the trash it goes!!

patches689:
Posting a blog as evidence

Into the trash it goes!!

Nope, it's not a blog, the database section is different, you cannot edit it, and is not based on speculation. The blog section is totally different from the database. It's a two in one website, like people comment on defenceweb but you cannot edit it's database. Dunce

agaugust:
Nope, it's not a blog, the database section is different, you cannot edit it, and is not based on speculation. The blog section is totally different from the database. It's a two in one website, like people comment on defenceweb but you cannot edit it's database. Dunce

No.

It is a blog.

Hence the title "" in its web adress

agaugust:
Umhkonto missile speed is slow at 2,500 km/h.

PL-9C missile speed is about double that of Umkhonto, PL-9C speed is about 4,300 km/h confirmed from China.

PL-9 IR-guided missile was first developed in the late 80s based on PL-8/Python-3 technology and is for export only. It has an all-aspect InSb seeker and a radio fuse. Its range is 500m minimum and 16km maximum. Speed is Mach 3.5 and load is 40g. Its forward control fins look similar to those of AIM-9L (double delta). The latest variant of PL-9 is called PL-9C with improved multi-band IR seeker and a new programmable digital processor giving it a greater IRCCM capability and higher killing probability. Its range is also increased to 20km. Here two PL-9C AAMs are seen being carried by a F-7PG fighter to be delivered to PAF. However PAF eventually decided to procure AIM-9Ls for its F-7PG fleet instead. PL-9C is expected to be the standard air-to-air weapon for the new F-7NI/BG/NM series exported to Nigeria, Bangladesh and Namibia.

http://chinese-military-aviation..ca/p/missiles-i.html

Umkhonto is a freaking weak missile.

I think we equally have to agree with your reliable source that its range on maximum is a mere 16 km.


You trusting BLOGS too much over reliable sources

Msauza:
CH-3 specs as analysed by Beegeagle.


https://beegeagle./2015/01/28/special-focus-on-the-nigerian-militarys-new-chinese-built-ch-3-unmanned-air-combat-vehicles-armed-drones/


MISSION PROFILE
– reconnaissance in the combat zone,
– intelligence gathering
– precision strike missions
TECHNICAL DATA
* Cruising speed – 220 km/hr
* Loiter Time – 12 hours.
* Can be piloted as far as 200 kilometers from base
station
* Can send live feedback to the base station.
* Maximum takeoff weight – 640 kg
* Service ceiling – 5000 meters
* Maximum range – 2400 km

Umkhonto missile will kill their only one CH-3A and they will be left with nothing.

Conclusion.

Nigeria has no weapon in store to challenge SAN frigates.

You want us to bring in Beegeagle as source on this forum? You have to make up your mind, you say it's a blog
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FighterPilot:
I think we equally have to agree with your reliable source that its range on maximum is a mere 16 km.

[size=16pt]HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

Killer blow!!

Augubug confirms: PL-9 max range is 16km[/size]

DictatorZAR:
This clearly shows you lack any knowledge on military or missiles.

Go do your research before I will expose your stu.pidity fool. The IRST was tested OVR before it was even brought into service anywhere in the world.
http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-39260/

I know more about missiles than your country's minister for defence.

That IRIS-T tested in South Africa is the land based version, not the air launched that was tested somewhere else.

agaugust:
I know more about missiles than your country's minister for defence.

That IRIS-T tested in South Africa is the land based version, not the air launched that was tested somewhere else.

Citation needed

Also - relevance??

DictatorZAR:
The PL-9C is not even in the class of the top ten missile systems in the world yet the IRS-T and 5th gen A-Datar is. Where is your PL-9C outdated missile on this list of top 10 missiles.
http://www.airforce-technology.com/features/featurethe-worlds-most-effective-air-to-air-missiles-4167934/

That fake list of top 10 missiles does not include Russia's new 5th generation Novator K-100 missile that America is afraid of .

patches689:
[size=16pt]HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

Killer blow!!

Augubug confirms: PL-9 max range is 16km[/size]

HAHAHAHABABA…

agaugust:
That fake list of top 10 missiles does not include Russia's new 5th generation Novator K-100 missile that America is afraid of .

You mean the missile that no one uses?

lol

DictatorZAR:
Two submerged subs in your waters for two days is enough to take out your two OPVs and Thunder the rest of your gun boats are useless creek vessels not meant for high seas.

OPV will not wait for a submarine, it will move to harbour in there is threat. Unless you fight war without declaring war first, there are international laws of war, you don't just attack a sovereign state or UN will turn against you.

SAN has manpower to fully operate ONLY one submarine at a time.

Your sub can only survive 4 days under water, it will part surface to snorkel and NAF will sink it.

jl115:
1 SAN sub= No more NN......admitted by you yourself!!

When did I say that?

patches689:
And compared to your military?

We are better.

agaugust:
OPV will not wait for a submarine, it will move to harbour in there is threat. Unless you fight war without declaring war first, there are international laws of war, you don't just attack a sovereign state or UN will turn against you.

SAN has manpower to fully operate ONLY one submarine at a time.

Your sub can only survive 4 days under water, it will part surface to snorkel and NAF will sink it.

1. So your naval stragergy is to hide in port and let us own your oceans?

2. Only one sub at a time?? Pic related

3. How will the NAF sink it??

agaugust:
I know more about missiles than your country's minister for defence.

That IRIS-T tested in South Africa is the land based version, not the air launched that was tested somewhere else.

Showing signs of defeat. Since when have you studied ballistic engineering?

agaugust:
We are better.

Hahahahah

Definitly not

Your arsenal is largely obsolete

agaugust:
OPV will not wait for a submarine, it will move to harbour in there is threat. Unless you fight war without declaring war first, there are international laws of war, you don't just attack a sovereign state or UN will turn against you.

SAN has manpower to fully operate ONLY one submarine at a time.
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Your sub can only survive 4 days under water, it will part surface to snorkel and NAF will sink it.

Our navy has over 15000 manpower and can even operate 20 submarine at the same time.

patches689:
1. Citation needed that submarine radar is on the conning tower... o wait!! Pic related!!

2. You said the ATR could detect it... so then show us with a citation

3. Again, irrelevant, provide citations


Big problem is: What are you going to do when you find the sub? Throw bricks at it?

1. Your own photo shows submarine radar is on the conning tower. # Suicide Comment

2. Show me a citation that your Super Lynx radar can detect objects on the sea

3. For what? Combat simulation?

If your submarine dares to use radar, it moves closer to the surface and becomes more vulnerable, it also begins to emit radar waves and it reveals it's exact position to enemy aircraft radar from 407 km away, the ATR-42 in PASSIVE MODE ESM will analyse your radar emissions and even jam it, our passive mode won't let your submarine know the ATR-42 is wrecking your radar operation ! Suicide move !

When my MPA/ISR aircraft finds your submarine snorkel, I will call in my missile drones or jets and helicopters to destroy your submarine, your sub is desperate for oxygen, that is why it is snorkelling for survival, that will be written in the autopsy report of it's untimely death
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