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agaugust:
It's even more visible from aircraft...the whole submarine shape is visually clear, and the snorkel is pouring out heavy diesel engine heat attracting airborne FLIR while the sub snorkel and sub radars are reflecting clearly on airborne radar screen from many kilometers away.

Yet again you proved me right that your useless radar will not work only your thermographic cameras will seem to do the job, but with great difficulty. That means they still have to literally search for it and come closer enough to the target in order to detect it.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_looking_infrared


However, here are the challenges as quoted from the source attached above.

Infrared light falls into two basic ranges: long-wave and medium-wave. Long-wave infrared (LWIR) cameras, sometimes called "far infrared", operate at 8 to 12 μm, and can see heat sources, such as hot engine parts or human body heat, a few miles away. Longer-distance viewing is made more difficult with LWIR because the infrared light is absorbed, scattered, and refracted by air and by water vapor. Quote closed

agaugust:
You are actually condemning SANDF that has one of the weakest air defences in Africa with your short-legged 1 km maximum ceiling Starstreak anti-aircraft missiles Nigeria has Roland anti air missiles with about 6 km ceiling, we are far better than you.

Nigerian infantry has mobile telescopic battlefield surveillance TV cameras that give real time live videos of the battle field, it is better than SANDF mobile infantry radar that is just showing dots and lines like a maths graph paper on a screen that will not tell you if the object is blue or red.

Datalink? How many countries in the world have tactical datalink for infantry? Not even all SANDF is datalink connected, when we dig the matter to the bottom now, it will be another fake Lynx ASW story story

Did your SANDF datalink help you eliminate ordinary Rhino poaching in your daddy's ancestral homeland? No

Next time we must have a thread with the following heading as mentioned below.


[size=14]WHO HAS THE STRONGEST GAME RANGERS IN AFRICA[/size]

patches689:
sub will detect and dive long before you get into visual range

Dive and Die, your unlucky submarine will dive back underwater and die there !

It was snorkeling for the purpose of desperately needed engine battery power recharge, buy now we have forced it to stop snorkeling and the survival battery will die, then your submarine will crash to sea bottom and die there crushed !

Your submarine needs to choose how it prefers to die, by our aircraft attack or by empty battery causing a crash to the sea bed.

Hunter becomes the hunted, bushmeat dey catch the hunter, pursuer now pursued, your submarine will run away back home and report .... "FAILED : MISSION IMPOSSIBLE IN NIGERIAN HOSTILE WATERS."

patches689:
Ok, and at what ranges can it accuratly detect a submarine snorkel?

Ok, and at what range can your submarine radar detect a high flying aircraft?

FighterPilot:
Yet again you proved me right that your useless radar will not work only your thermographic cameras will seem to do the job, but with great difficulty. That means they still have to literally search for it and come closer enough to the target in order to detect it.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_looking_infrared


However, here are the challenges as quoted from the source attached above.

Infrared light falls into two basic ranges: long-wave and medium-wave. Long-wave infrared (LWIR) cameras, sometimes called "far infrared", operate at 8 to 12 μm, and can see heat sources, such as hot engine parts or human body heat, a few miles away. Longer-distance viewing is made more difficult with LWIR because the infrared light is absorbed, scattered, and refracted by air and by water vapor. Quote closed

Since you chose to quote wikipedia, I will reply with wikipedia.

"Submarine surfacing to obtain navigational fixes is precluded by pervasive anti-submarine warfare detection systems such as radar and satellite surveillance. Antenna masts and antenna-equipped periscopes can be raised to obtain navigational signals but in areas of heavy surveillance, only for a few seconds or minutes; current radar technology can detect even a slender periscope while submarine shadows may be plainly visible from the air."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_navigation

SAN submarine's tiny periscope or snorkel will be detected by NAF and NN radars with ease.

Your submarine will die premature death in Nigerian waters.

PROVED AND CASE CLOSED
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agaugust:
Dive and Die, your unlucky submarine will dive back underwater and die there !

It was snorkeling for the purpose of desperately needed engine battery power recharge, buy now we have forced it to stop snorkeling and the survival battery will die, then your submarine will crash to sea bottom and die there crushed !

You submarine needs to choose how it prefers to die, by our aircraft attack or by empty battery causing a crash to the sea bed.

Hunter becomes the hunted, bushmeat dey catch the hunter, pursuer now pursued, your submarine will run away back home and report "FAILED : MISSION IMPOSSIBLE IN NIGERIAN HOSTILE WATERS."

Why would the submarine wait until it absutely has to surface?

Why would it not keep enough reserves for combat?

How will you engage it?

agaugust:
Dive and Die, your unlucky submarine will dive back underwater and die there !

It was snorkeling for the purpose of desperately needed engine battery power recharge, buy now we have forced it to stop snorkeling and the survival battery will die, then your submarine will crash to sea bottom and die there crushed !

You submarine needs to choose how it prefers to die, by our aircraft attack or by empty battery causing a crash to the sea bed.

Hunter becomes the hunted, bushmeat dey catch the hunter, pursuer now pursued, your submarine will run away back home and report "FAILED : MISSION IMPOSSIBLE IN NIGERIAN HOSTILE WATERS."

You are only one sided, so to say one dimensional. What we expect of you is too become objective. Now tell us how are you going to detect a stealthy submarine which is on the passive mode?

agaugust:
Ok, and at what range can your submarine radar detect a high flying aircraft?

Relevance?

agaugust:
Since you chose to quote wikipedia, I will reply with wikipedia.

"Submarine surfacing to obtain navigational fixes is precluded by pervasive anti-submarine warfare detection systems such as radar and satellite surveillance. Antenna masts and antenna-equipped periscopes can be raised to obtain navigational signals but in areas of heavy surveillance, only for a few seconds or minutes; current radar technology can detect even a slender periscope while submarine shadows may be plainly visible from the air."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_navigation

SAN submarine's tiny periscope or snorkel will be detected by NAF and NN radars with ease.

Your submarine will die premature death in Nigerian waters.

PROVED AND CASE CLOSED
.

You are only being one sided. It is always about you winning. Do you think that it will be that easy to detect snorkeling submarine? Tell us how will you do it and we will equally counter your claims.

agaugust:
Since you chose to quote wikipedia, I will reply with wikipedia.

"Submarine surfacing to obtain navigational fixes is precluded by pervasive anti-submarine warfare detection systems such as radar and satellite surveillance. Antenna masts and antenna-equipped periscopes can be raised to obtain navigational signals but in areas of heavy surveillance, only for a few seconds or minutes; current radar technology can detect even a slender periscope while submarine shadows may be plainly visible from the air."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_navigation

SAN submarine's tiny periscope or snorkel will be detected by NAF and NN radars with ease.

Your submarine will die premature death in Nigerian waters.

PROVED AND CASE CLOSED
.

Prove YOUR radar can detect it

Also - have you bothered to work out the size of the area our subs will be hunting you? Its 298550km2

agaugust:
Ok, and at what range can your submarine radar detect a high flying aircraft?

A sub on a passive mode will receive rather than deflect the waves. That's how it will detect the radar.

Patchesagain:
Prove YOUR radar can detect it

Also - have you bothered to work out the size of the area our subs will be hunting you? Its 298550km2

This man is crazy, radar will not detect snorkeling sub.

Patchesagain:
Why would the submarine wait until it absutely has to surface?

Why would it not keep enough reserves for combat?

How will you engage it?

It will have no reserve cos it will still be in our EEZ. It can only move 400nmi submerged. Your subs are useless in Nigeria territorial water. Stop thinking you have a nuclear submarine and face the reality. I guess you watch too much films.

iblawi:
It will have no reserve cos it will still be in our EEZ. It can only move 400nmi submerged. Your subs are useless in Nigeria territorial water. Stop thinking you have a nuclear submarine and face the reality. I guess you watch too much films.

Use your brain

It has a range of apprx ~400nmi submerged

Your EEZ extends only 200nmi from your coastline

This means that we can submerge IN INTERNATIONAL WATERS, launch our strikes and exfil only to snorkel again in international waters


What you fail to realize is the size of the area the sub will be operating in which makes the search like hunting a needle in a field full of haystacks

This is just the first of the many flaws in your thinking

Guy we haven't talk about the radar on our vessels and other aircrafts.

iblawi:
Guy we haven't talk about the radar on our vessels and other aircrafts.

Your radar will be disfunctional against the sub.

Patchesagain:
Use your brain

It has a range of apprx ~400nmi submerged

Your EEZ extends only 200nmi from your coastline

This means that we can submerge IN INTERNATIONAL WATERS, launch our strikes and exfil only to snorkel again in international waters


What you fail to realize is the size of the area the sub will be operating in which makes the search like hunting a needle in a field full of haystacks

This is just the first of the many flaws in your thinking

What are you talking about? You need to move in 200nmi and move out 200nmi =400nmi already minus the the distance you will cover searching for our vessels which further reduce your distance to get out of our EEZ Are you this dump?

iblawi:
What are you talking about? You need to move in 200nmi and move out 200nmi =400nmi already minus the the distance you will cover searching for our vessels which further reduce your distance to get out of our EEZ Are you this dump?

Why would we waste time searching for vessels?

Our Kondor-E will find them

If we were to deploy the subs, it would be for targetted strikes and other such tactical operations. We dont have the capability to conduct strategic operations.

That role will fall to the Valour Class

Patchesagain:
Why would we waste time searching for vessels?

Our Kondor-E will find them

If we were to deploy the subs, it would be for targetted strikes and other such tactical operations. We dont have the capability to conduct strategic operations.

That role will fall to the Valour Class

I want to believe you don't know what you are saying.

you will launch 12km torpedoes from what distance.

Where will your valour be?

Even if you keep you valour in Gabon we will strike them dead.

iblawi:
I want to believe you don't know what you are saying.

you will launch 12km torpedoes from what distance.

Where will your valour be?

Even if you keep you valour in Gabon we will strike them dead.

We will launch them from less than 12km... obviously

Where will our Valour be? Out at sea! Strike them dead? How??

iblawi:
Guy we haven't talk about the radar on our vessels and other aircrafts.

Our frigates can detect your vessels and aircraft even 100km outside your territorial waters and if two subs are supported by two frigates one frigate dedicated for aerial and ECM warfare and another to take out any vessel/gunboat. The subs will be protected and warned via data-link about your radars and will know exactly where your aircraft are and can engage your vessels anytime it wants without you having any counters.

Your vessels are no match for our frigates and there radars are alsi not in our guided missile frigates class.

iblawi:
I want to believe you don't know what you are saying.

you will launch 12km torpedoes from what distance.

Where will your valour be?

Even if you keep you valour in Gabon we will strike them dead.

You will strike them dead with what exactly?

Patchesagain:
So think that suds don't dive when they realize a threat is in the are?

unfortunately you don't know anything about sub-surface warfare.
the rapid differential pressure caused by an artillery shell or mortar bursting under water plus the subsequent fall in the pressure wall of a receding explosion will be catastrophic to any submarine in the area. At any depth.

submarines are like scorpions, very deadly but easy to kill.

iblawi:
I want to believe you don't know what you are saying.

you will launch 12km torpedoes from what distance.

Where will your valour be?

Even if you keep you valour in Gabon we will strike them dead.

We can launch torpedoes and what will you launch to counter a sub your Aradu is useless, and your ATR is not armed.

With what will you attack the Valour.

The valour's can detect your aircraft 180km away.

lionel4power:
unfortunately you don't know anything about sub-surface warfare.
the rapid differential pressure caused by an artillery mortars or shell bursting under water plus the subsequent fall in the pressure wall of a receding explosion will be catastrophic to any submarine in the area. At any depth.

submarines are like scorpions, very deadly but easy to kill.

Bwahahahaha… do you even know how deep a submarine can go underneath the sea water surface?

lionel4power:
unfortunately you don't know anything about sub-surface warfare.
the rapid differential pressure caused by an artillery mortars or shell bursting under water plus the subsequent fall in the pressure wall of a receding explosion will be catastrophic to any submarine in the area. At any depth.

submarines are like scorpions, very deadly but easy to kill.

Are you dreaming again.

FighterPilot:
Bwahahahaha… do you even know how deep a submarine can go underneath the sea water surface?

max depth 300m anything lower it will be crushed and implode.


did you finish high school at all...

DictatorZAR:
Are you dreaming again.

coastal artillery will pepper the submarine area with shells while alpha jets will bombard your Mandela boats. then you'll know why Nigeria has the best artillerymen in whole of Africa.



Gunfire has been used to disable submarines from the First World War onwards, a helicopter missile attack was used to disable the " Santa Fé" in the Falklands War.



Air-dropped bombs set to explode at a shallow depth, while the submarine ls submerged to escape attack.

you think because you have inferior submarine then you have any strategic advantage? delusional fool..
wake up from your dreaming.

lionel4power:
max depth 300m anything lower it will be crushed and implode.


did you finish high school at all...

The heroine class can dive over 500 m underwater, fool. So can any shell explosion effects reach to that level? No

lionel4power:
coastal artillery will pepper the submarine area with shells while alpha jets will bombard your Mandela boats. then you'll know why Nigeria has the best artillerymen in whole of Africa.



Gunfire has been used to disable submarines from the First World War onwards, a helicopter missile attack was used to disable the " Santa Fé" in the Falklands War.



Air-dropped bombs set to explode at a shallow depth, while the submarine ls submerged to escape attack.

you think because you have inferior submarine then you have any strategic advantage? delusional fool..
wake up from your dreaming.

Do you mean your only three operational F7 Jets which cannot even fire a single missiles.

Wake up, it is bright shiny day in Nigeria.

BEIJING: China and Pakistan have entered into an agreement to keep technology secrets of the PAC
JF-17 combat aircraft from India and the US, a Beijing based quasi-government military website said.
The jet has been jointly developed by the two countries. Pakistan has also resisted a recent attempt by
the US to delve into the secrets of the technology, the Sina Military Network said. JF-17 Thunder multi-
role combat aircraft is superior to F-16 of the US, it said.
The Network quoted Pakistan air force commodore Khalid Mahmood, head of the JF-17 sales and
marketing team, saying that there has been no problems with it after more than 7,000 hours of use.
Mahmood said the aircraft features flexible weapons stations that enable the JF-17 to be equipped with
any weapon purchased on the open market.
It said Chinese engineers are looking for ways to lighten the weight and streamline the aircraft. One
new advancement is pairing an RD-93 engine with a so-called divergent supersonic air intake which is
said to be lighter, easier to maintain and minimizes the JF-17's already low radar signature.
The Minhas No 2 squadron of the Pakistan Air Force has recently inducted a new and improved
configuration of the jet called the Block II variation. It has improved avionics and better software, as
well as a fixed air-to-air refueling probe, the Network said.
The Network said Minhas is the third PAF squadron to be upgraded to the JF-17. It is expected to
replace the Chengdu F-7P , a Chinese-made fighter that can be equipped with C-802A anti-ship
missiles.





m.timesofindia.com/world/china/China-Pakistan-ink-pact-to-keep-JF-17-tech-away-from-India/articleshow/49039263.cms

FighterPilot:
The heroine class can dive over 500 m underwater, fool. So can any shell explosion effects reach to that level? No

that is for deep ocean you illiterate fool.... coastal regions are more shallow.


ever heard of littoral warfare fool... go back to school.


you will die in your 500m test depth.