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agaugust:
Can you prove the bolded claim?
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The ALQ-99 has seen action in the second gulf war,vietnam war,Libya,first gulf war,balkans war etc....What are the operational credentials of the SAP-14?,where have they been used?.
@agaugust,dont get carried away by cheap russian propaganda,if the ALQ-99 boggs down the growler and prowler,imagine what the more cumbersome SAP-14 will do to the SU-30SM.
ALQ-99 can target and jam a wide multiple array of frequency bands simultaneously,how many simultaneous frequency bands can the SAP-14 jam?.Americans that spend billions on R & D ,dont do it because they enjoy parting with their dollars,they do it to achieve superior and durable outcomes.

DictatorZAR:
The Meteor will be best BVRAAM next year.
https://medium.com/war-is-boring/the-best-air-to-air-missile-in-the-world-is-in-sweden-339b2cb6afa8

Meteor= 100km range max.
AIM-120D= 180km range,200km max.

EVarn:
Meteor= 100km range max.
AIM-120D= 180km range,200km max.

The Meteor is a Ramjet missile and its faster and more manoeuvrable then the AIM-120D and less prone to ECM's like all BVR missiles in its class
https://defenseissues./2012/12/15/aim-120d-vs-mbda-meteor/

DictatorZAR:
I guess we will have to wait until 2018 for the arrival of the PAC T-50.
Not much separate the SU-35 and F-22 also so I guess everything will boil down to systems, training and luck.
Anyway the F-22 is more over hyped like 90% of american hardware, it couldn't even outclass the Rafale at Red Flag.

Red Flag?,you see,we must be very careful when comparing mock battles with real life scenario.
In real battle,the F22 will utterly demolish the Rafale.
the F22 has a cruise altitude of 65,000ft max.,with a cruise speed of 1500knot,along with its thrust vectoring nozzles for added maneoverability,tell me how the rafale will survive such speed and agilitity coupled with superior BVR AMRAAMs.
Mock battles have standard ROE that restricts participating platforms from utilizing their full capabilities i.e radars and ECM.
Even the new T50 would find it hard to challenge both the F22 and F35.

DictatorZAR:
The Meteor is a Ramjet missile and its faster and more manoeuvrable then the AIM-120D and less prone to ECM's like all BVR missiles in its class
https://defenseissues./2012/12/15/aim-120d-vs-mbda-meteor/

AIM-120D can fly at maximum speed and range in very high altitude where the capability of the Meteor will be significantly diminished.
All it would take is for the AIM-120D to lure the Meteor into higher altitude and kill it.

EVarn:
AIM-120D can fly at maximum speed and range in very high altitude where the capability of the Meteor will be significantly diminished.
All it would take is for the AIM-120D to lure the Meteor into higher altitude and kill it.

The Meteor has a 3x better NEZ rating then the 120D and is way faster.

Do you know the advantage a ramjet motor has over solid fuel motors like the AIM-120D. The very AIM-120D is almost useless in cold icy altitude conditions, this is the very conditions its likely to be deployed in.

Go read why Europe especially Germany, France, UK and Sweden is ditching AIM-120D in favour of the more capable Meteor.

DictatorZAR:
The Meteor has a 3x better NEZ rating then the 120D and is way faster.
Do you know the advantage a ramjet motor has over solid fuel motors like the AIM-120D. The very AIM-120D is almost useless in cold icy altitude conditions, this is the very conditions its likely to be deployed in.
Go read why Europe especially Germany, France, UK and Sweden is ditching AIM-120D in favour of the more capable Meteor.

FACT:
(1) Meteor has never been tested against any worthy opponent
(2) Meteor being a ramjet missile,makes use of external oxygen supply to obtain maximum cruise and speed,while AIM-120D utilizes solid fuel and therefore can perform excellently in high altitude where oxygen is scarce or devoid.
(3) The older variant AIM-120C has made 6 kills out of 13 engagements,Meteor has made none.
(4) Meteor enjoys high NEZ rating at sea level,the AIM-120D operates optimally at high atmospheric level.
I could go on....

[size=15pt]HOLY SH!T!!!

ARE PEOPLE ACTUALLY HAVING AN EDUCATED AND INFORMED DEBATE ON THIS THREAD!?!?

I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD LIVE TO SEE THE DAY!!

Well played gentlemen - the argument is both intriguing and informative.

10/10 for all involved [/size]

EVarn:
Meteor= 100km range max.
AIM-120D= 180km range,200km max.

Does distance really matters over quality?

patches689:
[size=15pt]HOLY SH!T!!!

ARE PEOPLE ACTUALLY HAVING AN EDUCATED AND INFORMED DEBATE ON THIS THREAD!?!?

I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD LIVE TO SEE THE DAY!!

Well played gentlemen - the argument is both intriguing and informative.

10/10 for all involved [/size]

I must say, i'm impressed.


Missiles aren't generally my area of interest. So for me, it is a learning curve and very informative debate.

Henry120:
I must say, i'm impressed.


Missiles aren't generally my area of interest. So for me, it is a learning curve and very informative debate.

Same - jets too

I am more of a tank guy.

So this his been great for me.

FighterPilot:
Does distance really matters over quality?

Are you saying that AIM-120D is inferior?,how?

patches689:
[size=15pt]HOLY SH!T!!!

ARE PEOPLE ACTUALLY HAVING AN EDUCATED AND INFORMED DEBATE ON THIS THREAD!?!?

I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD LIVE TO SEE THE DAY!!

Well played gentlemen - the argument is both intriguing and informative.

10/10 for all involved [/size]

Just enjoying myself and The argument is interesting.

I think the best way to judge would be testing the two against each other.

But sincerely I still believe American equipment are overrated.

patches689:
Look up the AIM-120D you chucklefuck

I already did, you drunkard of Cape Colony !

"AIM-120D missile.

Performance

Max Range: 72,000 meters (72 km)

Top Speed: 4 mach (1,328 mps)"


http://www.deagel.com/Air-to-Air-Missiles/AIM-120D-AMRAAM_a001164006.aspx

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Henry120:
The F-22 doesn't evil look real! It looks like a Fighter straight out of a comic book. I mean, look at that jet in the second photo....... "Should that thing even be legal?"!


F-22 vs SU-30SM isn't actually a fair fight. Not like the U.S fights fair anyway, or has ever fought fair.


A more reasonable combat would be the SU-30SM against F/A-18 Super Hornets.

Looking at photographs and aircraft air frame stealth construction, the F-22 is SUPPOSED to defeat Su-30 SM...BUT NO, the weapons/radar/irst on the Su-30 SM Flanker will defeat the overrated F-22 Raptor and surprise the whole world .

F-22 detects first but CANNOT attack first, with a 72 km range missile, he will fly into the 90 km IRST range of the Su-30 before trying to fire missile, but then the Su-30 has a 100 km missile, so he fires first at 90 km, while F-22 is waiting to close gap at 72 km.

By the time the F-22 has a chance to fire any missile, the Su-30 fired missile is already nearer to his jet so F-22 pilot will be struggling for his life to avoid death from an incoming super speed missile, and his overrated American F-22 is inside no escape zone of Russian 100% accurate missile.....overrated Yankee is dead o !
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patches689:
Blah blah blah

Answer: AIM120D

Again, you can keep trying to tell us that a 4 gen multi-role stands a snowballs chance in hell against a 5 th gen air-superiority fighter... Even after you admitted it was an "unfair fight"

Facts are simple

F22 detects first (it does not even have to radiate, it can passivly detect the Su30s who will be burning the sky desperate to detect it)

F22 decides to engage or deny combat (befor the su30 even knows there are f22s in the area)

The engagement will happen in a time, place and conditions of the F22's choosing.

Can your infa red see above your su30? At 90 degree angles? No? Ok - well guess where the f22s are coming from

Come now, this is a ludicrous argument - everyone knows that if you want to talk about a worthy adversary for the f22 you are gunna be talking about the su-27 and not the "sad goose" (su-30)

I have defeated you in combat simulation again as usual, all you can do is complain, grumble, whine and pine like a little puppy dog trapped under the tyres of a Yamaha motor cycle

"F-22 detects first but CANNOT attack first, with a 72 km range missile, he will fly into the 90 km IRST range of the Su-30 before trying to fire missile, but then the Su-30 has a 100 km missile, so he fires first at 90 km, while F-22 is waiting to close gap at 72 km.

By the time the F-22 has a chance to fire any missile, the Su-30 fired missile is already nearer to his jet so F-22 pilot will be struggling for his life to avoid death from an incoming super speed missile, and his overrated American F-22 is inside no escape zone of Russian 100% accurate missile.....overrated Yankee is dead o. "

Even your SAAF air chief cannot beat that combat simulation
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EVarn:
The ALQ-99 has seen action in the second gulf war,vietnam war,Libya,first gulf war,balkans war etc....What are the operational credentials of the SAP-14?,where have they been used?.
@agaugust,dont get carried away by cheap russian propaganda,if the ALQ-99 boggs down the growler and prowler,imagine what the more cumbersome SAP-14 will do to the SU-30SM.
ALQ-99 can target and jam a wide multiple array of frequency bands simultaneously,how many simultaneous frequency bands can the SAP-14 jam?.Americans that spend billions on R & D ,dont do it because they enjoy parting with their dollars,they do it to achieve superior and durable outcomes.

Bros, you have no proof of your claim that American ECM is better than Russian ECM. All you write is your personal opinion sir. Cheers.

DictatorZAR:
The Meteor will be best BVRAAM next year.
https://medium.com/war-is-boring/the-best-air-to-air-missile-in-the-world-is-in-sweden-339b2cb6afa8

Nope !

Russian Novator K-100 will be the world's best BVR missile with 200 km range confirmed and range 300 km to 400 km version under observation to verify, no rival on planet earth. Russia beats the whole world in missiles.

http://www.brahmand.com/news/IAF-plans-to-procure-longrange-missiles/6892/1/10.html
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US resorts to using "dirty tactics" in Syria
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http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/09/24/430548/Syria-US-Trained-Militants-Daesh-Mark-Glenn
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Dirty tactics indeed,what is the rationale behind training 50-70 "moderate muslims" to fight Assad?.
If the US wants Assad gone,then it should back a Turkish invasion of Syria under the guise of smoking out PKK rebels,instead of playing games that cost lives everyday.There is nothing Russia will do other than make noise.
Betterstill,let the US declare Assad a war criminal,accuse him of stockpiling chemical weapons and invade the country themselves,like they did in Libya and Iraq.
The dynamics playing out now is costing too many lives,the US action in Syria is further arming violent groups like Al-Nusra and even ISIS.
Either they topple Assad or leave Assad alone.

Russia "vows" to retaliate if US upgrade germany's nuclear missiles
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http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/09/23/430468/Russia-US-Germany-Peskov-Bchel-B6112
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Retaliate from where?,here we go again,Russia always "vow" this or "warn" that,but never takes any action.
Now they are threatening to station their Ishkandar-M in the Baltic sea,on the Polish border.
Let us see how that goes.

agaugust:
Nope !
Russian Novator K-100 will be the world's best BVR missile with 200 km range confirmed and range 300 km to 400 km version under observation to verify, no rival on planet earth. Russia beats the whole world in missiles.
http://www.brahmand.com/news/IAF-plans-to-procure-longrange-missiles/6892/1/10.html
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Meteor is undoubtedly the worlds' best BVR missile in the world. No doubt about it

agaugust:
Bros, you have no proof of your claim that American ECM is better than Russian ECM. All you write is your personal opinion sir. Cheers.

Indeed Bro,neither do you.
American ECM have war records to bank on,Russian ECM have none.

FighterPilot:
Meteor is undoubtedly the worlds' best BVR missile in the world. No doubt about it

Prove it

EVarn:
Indeed Bro,neither do you.
American ECM have war records to bank on,Russian ECM have none.

I am not the one ranking one above the other, all I said is nobody has monopoly of ECM jamming over others. Russia will jam, America will jam.

Russian ECM have war records too, they saw live BRV combat action in Badme war Ethiopia Vs Eritrea, it was Su-27 Flanker and it shot down every MiG-29 that fought it to conclusion, that is a fair war where both jets were flown by mercenary Ukrainian/Russian pilots, not like American pilots flying against 3rd world countries pilots and claiming champion.

Let Saudi Arabian pilot fly F-15 against Russian pilot having Su-30 Flanker plus Russian AWACS aircraft and ECM aircraft extra support, then we will know how western equipment perform against eastern stuff, so that people can draw conclusion like they did in Iraq Vs USA air war.

Bros, you get the jist?
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[size=13pt] 50 SANDF troops kicked out of Congo DRC for indiscipline

Useless army that is unreliable and irresponsible even when the world is working with them showing good examples

Soweto unprofessional army of once jobless boys roaming the streets, joining army only for monthly salary.

Kinda troops that see Toyota in Sudan and surrender without a fight

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/south-africa-pulls-50-troops-congo-violations-34004180[/size]
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agaugust:
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[size=13pt] 50 SANDF troops kicked out of Congo DRC for indiscipline

Useless army that is unreliable and irresponsible even when the world is working with them showing good examples

Soweto unprofessional army of once jobless boys roaming the streets, joining army only for monthly salary.

Kinda troops that see Toyota in Sudan and surrender without a fight

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/south-africa-pulls-50-troops-congo-violations-34004180[/size]
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Kinda boys who see skinny armed men in toyota soft-skins............ And pee pee in their uniforms!

agaugust:
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[size=13pt] 50 SANDF troops kicked out of Congo DRC for indiscipline

Useless army that is unreliable and irresponsible even when the world is working with them showing good examples

Soweto unprofessional army of once jobless boys roaming the streets, joining army only for monthly salary.

Kinda troops that see Toyota in Sudan and surrender without a fight

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/south-africa-pulls-50-troops-congo-violations-34004180[/size]
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They are far more better than over 4000 Nigerian soldiers who chickened out to fight Boko haram in their own country.



https://www.naij.com/439332-nigerian-army-to-dismiss-4000-soldiers-over-boko-haram.html

Henry120:
Kinda boys who see skinny armed men in toyota soft-skins............ And pee pee in their uniforms!

4000 Nigerian soldiers chickened out to fight skinny and hungry looking Boko Haram militants right inside their own turf, own country and own pride. Instead they chose to run away.

https://www.naij.com/439332-nigerian-army-to-dismiss-4000-soldiers-over-boko-haram.html

agaugust:
Looking at photographs and aircraft air frame stealth construction, the F-22 is SUPPOSED to defeat Su-30 SM...BUT NO, the weapons/radar/irst on the Su-30 SM Flanker will defeat the overrated F-22 Raptor and surprise the whole world .

F-22 detects first but CANNOT attack first, with a 72 km range missile, he will fly into the 90 km IRST range of the Su-30 before trying to fire missile, but then the Su-30 has a 100 km missile, so he fires first at 90 km, while F-22 is waiting to close gap at 72 km.

By the time the F-22 has a chance to fire any missile, the Su-30 fired missile is already nearer to his jet so F-22 pilot will be struggling for his life to avoid death from an incoming super speed missile, and his overrated American F-22 is inside no escape zone of Russian 100% accurate missile.....overrated Yankee is dead o !
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Utterly ludicrous

Utterly, utterly ludicrous

agaugust:
I have defeated you in combat simulation again as usual, all you can do is complain, grumble, whine and pine like a little puppy dog trapped under the tyres of a Yamaha motor cycle

"F-22 detects first but CANNOT attack first, with a 72 km range missile, he will fly into the 90 km IRST range of the Su-30 before trying to fire missile, but then the Su-30 has a 100 km missile, so he fires first at 90 km, while F-22 is waiting to close gap at 72 km.

By the time the F-22 has a chance to fire any missile, the Su-30 fired missile is already nearer to his jet so F-22 pilot will be struggling for his life to avoid death from an incoming super speed missile, and his overrated American F-22 is inside no escape zone of Russian 100% accurate missile.....overrated Yankee is dead o. "

Even your SAAF air chief cannot beat that combat simulation
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So the F22 will never think to start the engagement for a direction that the Su has no IR coverage?

You are wasting my time with this ludicrous argument

agaugust:
Bros, you have no proof of your claim that American ECM is better than Russian ECM. All you write is your personal opinion sir. Cheers.

Just like you are writing yours?

agaugust:
Nope !

Russian Novator K-100 will be the world's best BVR missile with 200 km range confirmed and range 300 km to 400 km version under observation to verify, no rival on planet earth. Russia beats the whole world in missiles.

http://www.brahmand.com/news/IAF-plans-to-procure-longrange-missiles/6892/1/10.html
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The missile so good that NO ONE HAS PURCHASED IT??