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Re: In Islam, Do People Marry For Love Or Religiousness? by usermane(m): 4:06am On Oct 05, 2015 |
Empiree: Hey, big man, what 's your problem with me? I maintain that the scriptures do not prohibit mere dating or courtship and i stand by that. You claimed otherwise but have failed to give evidence from the scripture so far. I don't give a damn about the Muslim community accepting my philosophy because it add nothing to my well being. The only reason i come here to post is to let out the truth. If i convince anyone, great. But if i don't, it doesn't change anything. I never claimed to be perfect but i know i am right on several claims. In a community that is absorbed in self gratification, hero-worship and self-righteousness, i feel great to go against the grain. For the story you refer us, i can refer you to several stories of happily married couples who have dated from high school or early college years. The problem with you is that you only see sex whenever dating is mentioned because you have been wired to do so by your ulamas. You 've repeatedly proved that you know nothing about dating or courtship even though you stubbornly argue concerning it. Just like you argue with me regarding animal slaughter whilst knowing little about it, no more than you were taught by Sheikh Imran Hosein. PS: And you should stop talking about women 's honor because your religion grant women no real honor. There are already enough proofs for this, you just can't see this because you are living far from reality. |
Re: In Islam, Do People Marry For Love Or Religiousness? by Empiree: 4:40am On Oct 05, 2015 |
usermane:proooooblem? nah. I maintain that the scriptures do not prohibit mere dating or courtship and i stand by that. You claimed otherwise but have failed to give evidence from the scripture so far.Lol, you missed it. Go back up there buddy. I don't give a damn about the Muslim community accepting my philosophy because it add nothing to my well being.Yup, you are entitled to your opinion. That's your prerogative my man. The only reason i come here to post is to let out the truth. If i convince anyone, great. But if i don't, it doesn't change anything. I never claimed to be perfect but i know i am right on several claims. In a community that is absorbed in self gratification, hero-worship and self-righteousness, i feel great to go against the grain.Your right now. No one is gonna take it from you. Enjoy For the story you refer us, i can refer you to several stories of happily married couples who have dated from high school or early college years. The problem with you is that you only see sex whenever dating is mentioned because you have been wired to do so by your ulamas. You 've repeatedly proved that you know nothing about dating or courtship even though you stubbornly argue concerning it.Oh well, there is no need to put on boxing gloves with me. No, I do not think it involves only sex all the time. I basically said chances of that is very high. Can you deny that?. But kindly put percentage @underlined against my opinion. Just weigh the percentage. That's enough. I dont deny successful dating and courtship. PS: And you should stop talking about women 's honor because your religion grant women no real honor. There are already enough proofs for this, you just can't see this because you are living far from reality. Back to op, there is nothing wrong marrying for LOVE & or RELIGIOUSNESS. |
Re: In Islam, Do People Marry For Love Or Religiousness? by usermane(m): 5:26am On Oct 05, 2015 |
Empiree: No, I didn't. You posted a verse forbidding extra-marital or pre-marital sex. Of what concern has that verse with dating? Please think. That wasn't an intelligent response so I quietly ignored it in order to save my time. |
Re: In Islam, Do People Marry For Love Or Religiousness? by Sissie(f): 7:54am On Oct 05, 2015 |
Courtship within limits is allowed in Islam. Usermane you know the Quran says do not go near zina. not hadith but zina. so lets assume dating whatever you understand by this is allowed, considering people who are able to avoid pre marital sex all through irrespective of religion or race are the exception and not the norm. How do propose the "Do not go near zina" restriction assuming they stated dating from high school which you implied is haram. Not commiting zina is quite different from going near it. Ps: we aren't fighting. because most of your post are always on the defensive, assuming everyone in this section is fighting with you. main reason i avoid replying your post or when you mention mod. |
Re: In Islam, Do People Marry For Love Or Religiousness? by Nobody: 9:12am On Oct 05, 2015 |
Repentance96:tqs for ur contribution. But how about d element of attraction which we may term love. One could find someone one is attracted to but the person may not be as religious or otherwise, whence one likes a person fro his or her religiousness but one just can't stand being married to such person. U remember d story of zainab daughter of rasulullah (s. A. W? )who loved her husband so much even though he wasn't a believer at dat time and she bore patiently till he became Muslim. Or even stories of several other sahabis whowhom say must or Abu bark proposed to buy who declined their offer not cos they weren't religious enough of course as we know, but probably because they weren't their type of person. |
Re: In Islam, Do People Marry For Love Or Religiousness? by Nobody: 9:15am On Oct 05, 2015 |
Sissie:salaam alaykum sis. Tis for ur contribution, at first I thought my thread had been closed or something. Sorry ifbu don't mind me askiby, are u d owner of the 'sissie' cosmetic brand? |
Re: In Islam, Do People Marry For Love Or Religiousness? by usermane(m): 9:46am On Oct 05, 2015 |
Sissie: Please, define dating. If you see mere dating as going near zina, then how about night clubbing, masturbation, watching porn or checking a brothel? Ps: we aren't fighting. because most of your post are always on the defensive, assuming everyone in this section is fighting with you. main reason i avoid replying your post or when you mention mod. In most cases, I come on defensive because of my past experiences here; unwarranted bans, deleting of clean posts, biased moderating geared towards guarding mainstream Sunni interpretation of Islam from any kind of criticism. |
Re: In Islam, Do People Marry For Love Or Religiousness? by Sissie(f): 10:52am On Oct 05, 2015 |
usermane: Mere dating! Why my defination though? I clearly said whatever you understood by it. Yeah i see all you listed as going near zina. Going near it could be done different ways. You are on the other extreme end of the spectrum, and like the same way the extremist on the other end of the same spectrum dont see themselves as extremist, you dont either. |
Re: In Islam, Do People Marry For Love Or Religiousness? by Sissie(f): 10:54am On Oct 05, 2015 |
enieme: Wa alaikum Salam, No its not deleted. Yeah I owe the brand. |
Re: In Islam, Do People Marry For Love Or Religiousness? by usermane(m): 12:03pm On Oct 05, 2015 |
Sissie: Yes, "mere" dating. Implying it is not as reprehensible as you deem it. Why my defination though? I clearly said whatever you understood by it. And you see dating roughly close to zina as those? I believe I 've made my point. You are on the other extreme end of the spectrum, and like the same way the extremist on the other end of the same spectrum dont see themselves as extremist, you dont either. Hmm... Who determines the range of this spectrum? Be careful with using a term like "extreme" because it relative one and has varying specification for varying observers. |
Re: In Islam, Do People Marry For Love Or Religiousness? by Repentance96: 12:43pm On Oct 05, 2015 |
enieme: Well, if you love Allah then naturally you'll love what He loves and dislike what He does not love. The more taqwa you have, the more you love the people who have taqwa. By "love" I mean the care and affection you harbour in your heart for these people. This is a general rule and applies in any relationship between any two believers. Islam came in stages so as to train the hearts of the early Muslims to that which is better for themselves and their societies, as God knows better what is good and what is bad for us. I don't think Zainab the daughter of Muhammad (sal) would have fallen in love with this man after having knowledge of the full revelation. In any case love and mercy can only be grown between the two sexes in marriage, and not before or outside of it. Zainab was not attracted to him because of his idolatry, but because of his other good qualities and with time in her marriage her love grew and thus she couldn't break away. The Qur'an makes an exception to marriages like this - which is illegal under the General Sharia' - but was made at a time of ignorance. Because of this exception, new Muslims who find themselves in an "unholy" marriage may chose to remain in the marriage without blame or interference. There is always the possibility that even though you are attracted to your spouse because of your love of deen and faith which is reflected in their life, still that wouldn't be enough. Consider the marriage and relationship that the Prophet (sal) himself brought about between his adopted son Zaid and his cousin Zainab, two great Sahabah, but their marriage failed (33:37) . This kind of love is obviously not enough to sustain the marriage, and we need to consider all other factors. |
Re: In Islam, Do People Marry For Love Or Religiousness? by Sissie(f): 2:10pm On Oct 05, 2015 |
usermane: Have you? You absolutely made no point. You replied me with a questions. You didn't say if dating was GOING near zina or not. I even went ahead to say considering staying away from pre marital sex is the exception not the norm irrespective of religion. And you say you've made your point. Hilarious. So am in the university, with absolutely no plans of getting married, I fall in love and I start dating what's the probability we won't go near zina ie hug or kiss etc. I guess the hugs and kisses are alright!!!! Yeah I used the word extreme, and would use it again. Usermane you are an extremist, now bite me. |
Re: In Islam, Do People Marry For Love Or Religiousness? by Empiree: 3:25pm On Oct 05, 2015 |
usermane, u are biting what you can't chew with sisi |
Re: In Islam, Do People Marry For Love Or Religiousness? by usermane(m): 5:20pm On Oct 05, 2015 |
Sissie: Enough! You are ignorant and lack of respect. @underlined prove you know barely much about dating to discuss concerning it. That is why I earlier asked you of your understanding of dating. If you know, then you won't bring in hugging and kissing here. You admitted courtship is permitted, if courtship can be done without kissing and hugging, why can't dating be? I won't derail this thread further anymore. I will clarify myself on the a new thread in future, hopefully you won't hide the thread. |
Re: In Islam, Do People Marry For Love Or Religiousness? by Sissie(f): 5:45pm On Oct 05, 2015 |
usermane: Aww, ignorant and lack of respect. Eyyah sorry, was your pride trampled upon? Eyyah ndo, sanu, pele. What's the difference between dating and courting? I guess if I decide to date for the fun of it without marriage insight,its not dating, I have no idea what the proper term is. Funny enough you are the ignorant one, because dating is having a relationship with someone above friendship, which MAY be with the aim of accessing the person for the future or just the fun of it. And what do most people on date do? Go out, hang, kiss etc. I clearly stated courtship within limits, I didn't even just say courtship, I added within limits. You didn't add any restrictions to yours. But I am beginning to think you have problems with simple comprehension. You are so far gone in your own shit, you can't perceive the stink. |
Re: In Islam, Do People Marry For Love Or Religiousness? by Empiree: 6:50pm On Oct 05, 2015 |
enieme:Lol, he's "Quraniyun". |
Re: In Islam, Do People Marry For Love Or Religiousness? by usermane(m): 8:21pm On Oct 05, 2015 |
Empiree: What is all this nonsense? He asked me, me... me and I have introduced myself. Allow him to find the rest by himself instead of spoon feeding him. And, you need to suck it up. Those you call Quraniyyun are not a sect or madhab. A sect or madhab have Imam and a formal interpretation of Islam, an oath of allegiance and penalty for apostasy. Unlike you Sunnis and Shiites, the so called Quraniyyun have non of these. So they cannot be recognized as another sect or madhab |
Re: In Islam, Do People Marry For Love Or Religiousness? by Empiree: 8:36pm On Oct 05, 2015 |
usermane:Alright buddy...no hard feelings. I didnt say Quranite is sect. It's simply independent ideology. |
Re: In Islam, Do People Marry For Love Or Religiousness? by Sissie(f): 10:53pm On Oct 05, 2015 |
Tantrum thrower, he asked me, me... me LOL. @usermane Dude chill, when I mention you, don't throw boxing gloves, incase you haven't noticed you are so stuck up in the past, a lot of things have changed. Very few people even bother to argue or fight with you? For how long are you going to lick your wounds. You've been banned and your post deleted, yeah yeah who hasn't?, Mac banned you about 6 times within 2013-2014 your bans were for short periods. I have been banned longer. Most of the bans is antispam bot, and the last time you got banned was 2014, but you are still licking your wounds, let it go already. |
Re: In Islam, Do People Marry For Love Or Religiousness? by Sissie(f): 10:54pm On Oct 05, 2015 |
Tantrum thrower, he asked me, me... me LOL. |
Re: In Islam, Do People Marry For Love Or Religiousness? by Empiree: 10:56pm On Oct 05, 2015 |
^lol..didnt know you sensed that. |
Re: In Islam, Do People Marry For Love Or Religiousness? by Sissie(f): 11:05pm On Oct 05, 2015 |
Empiree: |
Re: In Islam, Do People Marry For Love Or Religiousness? by Nobody: 7:09am On Oct 06, 2015 |
Empiree:I don't think he's even that. Btw, ur conclusion about love and or religiousness Mat be somehow unacceptable for the or I mean. But for the hand it's okeokay. If I say or, does one go marry say a Muslim dat doesn't papray all d name of lov? I prefer thinkinbitbthis way, both a're needed but d religiousness take precedence over love in whatever choice one makeS. |
Re: In Islam, Do People Marry For Love Or Religiousness? by Nobody: 7:11am On Oct 06, 2015 |
usermane:better |
Re: In Islam, Do People Marry For Love Or Religiousness? by Nobody: 7:19am On Oct 06, 2015 |
Repentance96:I'm not sure about this part and don't quite agree with it. @ empiree what evidence do I think ubmight have to agree or disagree with thisbpoint? |
Re: In Islam, Do People Marry For Love Or Religiousness? by Empiree: 11:45am On Oct 06, 2015 |
enieme:https://www.nairaland.com/1891161/quranites-quranists-hadith-rejecters Btw, ur conclusion about love and or religiousness Mat be somehow unacceptable for the or I mean. But for the hand it's okeokay.Of course, religiousness take precedence. But you still get to love the one is spend eternity with. |
Re: In Islam, Do People Marry For Love Or Religiousness? by Empiree: 9:11pm On Dec 29, 2015 |
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