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| Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by naijaking1: 2:26am On Oct 14, 2015 |
thiagoneves:Hopeless, idiotic, and laughable revisionist attempt at re-inventing the wheel! Ikwerre community, town, tribe, nation, or Republic was not created in 1965, 1970, or 1999 as per your upside down historians. Prior to the civil war, Ikwerre civil servants, politicians, and chiefs identified themselves as Igbos, and especialy when PH or Igwe Ocha was under Owerri province of eastern Nigeria. Now the children of those peole who had previously, willingly, and patriotically declared theselves Igbos suddenly woke up after the civil war in which Biafra, a majority Igbo nation was defeated to declare that they are not infact Igbos any longer. A smart person would have first denied that those who had earlier signed up as Igbos were infact not their fathers and forefathers-that could have been a more logical and scientific approach than obtains in this pathetic article. Obigbo in PH(later changed to sound less Igbo) means the heart of Igbo, is as Igbo as Birnin Kudu is an Hausa town. I challange these cheap opportunistic children of circumstances to tell us why a community would be called such a name for 100s of years before the arrival of the white man if it wasn't an Igbo enclave? Opportunistic, because whenever they are in a position to benefit from Igbos, they enjoy it silently and exclusively. Personally, I went to school, worked, and have been close to the so-called Igboid minorities. When they are going to school in Nsukka or Enugu, they have no problems with Igbos, but whenever they think they are better situated in their own native environments, then that person you did everything together in Enugu suddenly turns cold, and then eventually denies being, speaking, or even undertanding Igbo. Fortunately, Igbos know Igbo that is IGBO. From Achuzie to the popular Ikwerre chief(I forgot his name), to others. Igbos don't, and can't force others to become Igbos, not possible. Unfortunately, there're non Igbos envious and dying to become Igbos, but the best they can do is to campaign for others not to be Igbos like themselves. Prince Akenzua who later became Oba of Benin even passed for an Igbo when he was a permanent secrtary at Enugu-who could have known? Finally, no matter how much all these people deny being Igbos, it doesn't make any difference to an Hausa/Fulani man, to Arabs, or even to the whitemen like the British who colonized us and had extensive documentation of pre-colonial tribes. To the outside World, all of you are Igbos, be it Ika Igbo, Qua Ibeo, Edo Igbo, Igbo Igbo, whatever! Of course you can divide and call yourself whatever you like, especially if that will get you a better revenue allocation quota from the oil extraction in the area. And for those who spend countless amount of time, especially the Yorubas in the west, I feel your pain, becuase everything designed to make the Igbos come down to your level has hopelessly failed since after the civil war. Maybe, you can learn from Igbos, too. |
| Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by Ubenedictus(m): 2:34am On Oct 14, 2015 |
lygn19:bini empire was not in d business of "capturing" people. Every world empire is known for is expansion activities and the bini empire was no exception. But it never showed d common domineering tendencies oda empires showed toward those who lost in battles. The reverse was the case, every group of people under the bini empire were ably represented by chiefs from those places who become part of the bini empire. There are still ika chiefs, ondo chiefs, itsekiri chiefs in th omo n'ba palace till date. The bini empire never reduced conquered tribes to slaves, it was a honorable empire certainly not given to stealing and lying. The fact that u are insulting another tribe says alot about u and d tribe u claim to represent. |
| Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by Ubenedictus(m): 2:43am On Oct 14, 2015 |
Kingsley1000:are you also aware that asaba is link to igala? Are you also aware that onitcha is linked to bini thru "eze chima". |
| Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by Nobody: 2:44am On Oct 14, 2015 |
Ubenedictus:Here's actually an excerpt, albeit it was written by Emeka Esogbue but it is a direct summarization of Emma Okocha books. "It was this battle that gave birth to Murtala, a “Local champion” called Ibrahim Haruna and Ibrahim Taiwo of the Nigerian Army. Africans first had the practical experience of the word “genocide” in Igbodo where hundreds of lives were lost in the Nigerian civil war. In Isheagu, the case was not different. It was here that the ulterior motive of the Nigerian troop clearly unfolded. The people were now scampering for the safety of their lives having experienced what happened in Igbodo and some other places. In the Midwestern region, able bodied men went into hiding leaving women and children at the mercy of advancing soldiers. The people of Benin went identifying their Ibo-speaking neighbours from house to house for executions." |
| Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by Ubenedictus(m): 2:50am On Oct 14, 2015 |
nextdoor84:i recently met an ebira lady whose parents traced their origin to owo ondo state some 3 generations ago. The lady speaks ebira, looks ebira, practices ebira culture and will tell you she is ebira not yoruba. Does that mean all ebira people are from owo? |
| Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by Ubenedictus(m): 3:02am On Oct 14, 2015 |
xtrorse:i hate on sided stories. Are you aware that wen the biafran soldier decided to advance on lagos the midwestern council voted to let them pass without resistance? Are you aware of this that at the begining of the war d bini people had no problems allowing u guys to pass? What was the result? Asaba and bini was looted! In bini in particular there was large scale raping and killing by d same biafran soldiers who were offered safe passage! Because of the genocide th NA committed few people talk abt the atrocities the biafran soldiers committed. The biafrans were later halted in ore and forces to retreat. This is the 1st time i'll hear an ibo claim that edos were against them and going abt killing them in d civil war. |
| Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by Ubenedictus(m): 3:30am On Oct 14, 2015 |
lygn19:and you think what u wrote above makes sense. |
| Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by Ubenedictus(m): 3:38am On Oct 14, 2015 |
lygn19:you should educate urself. Edo is south south, the edo empire never tried to "edoize" everybody, the edos never imposed their language, culture or traditions o conquered lands. The ancient edo empire allowed every group to continue with its own cultures. |
| Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by Uniben4sure: 4:06am On Oct 14, 2015 |
You claim a group of people have their origin from edo, yet those people have nothing in common with Edo. Not language. Not culture. Nothing suggestive of a common ancestry. Unfortunately articles like this may end up deceiving some people into doubting their origin. No wonder people like oliseh now suffer from identity crisis. |
| Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by Scholes007(m): 4:27am On Oct 14, 2015*. Modified: 4:50am On Oct 14, 2015 |
A stupid man can wake up one day and start shouting NGWA IGBO, AROCHUKWU, IZZI,EFFIOM ... Are not Igbos. The gospel truth is that, many nigerian know little or nothing about the igbos, hence all this adore about nothing. @op * can you name the places you term ikwere, do you know ukwaman in rivers state though igbo will not like to be called ikwere, same is applicable with an ahuada man, but will proudly answer igbo why? Because both of them are from different distinctive subset(clan) which is under the main set(igbo tribe) [Ikwere this, ikwere that is all for those with identity problem] |
| Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by naijaking1: 5:11am On Oct 14, 2015 |
xtrorse:Last week Ogbemudia said they had to execute one officer, because he killed post master simply because he was identified as Igbo. Even if he punished an official in his unit for killing a man simply because he was Igbo, the majority of other people were actually rewarded for same thing by say Murtala Muhammed |
| Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by Scholes007(m): 5:18am On Oct 14, 2015*. Modified: 9:40am On Oct 14, 2015 |
Igbos(agburu igbo) are republican in nature, they live in clans(mba) eg the ngwa clan. Within the clans they live in sub clans(mostly refer to autonomous communities in recent times(obodo)). Eg ossioma ngwa, obingwa etc. Sometimes these sub clans are still divided again. Then come kingdreds(umunna,ikwu,ibe,onumara,ezi...) after which the families. Within these hierarchies there are some variations in dialect,cultures, traditions etc but there is so many things that unites them/makes them igbos, they includes; names,igbo izugbe(general igbo),market days,age grade,circumcision,dress,similarity in titles and most of all the pride of been igbo. The op and other misinformed fellows must/should have had a glimpse of who and what makes an Igbo |
| Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by Nobody: 5:50am On Oct 14, 2015 |
enahi and spanishkid... Good morning |
| Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by Nobody: 6:05am On Oct 14, 2015 |
naijaking1:lie lie. |
| Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by Nobody: 6:43am On Oct 14, 2015 |
@Kingzizzy, the problem is that we don't do research again; I have a great background in linguistics and researches in African history, we need to accept reality. Languages do evolve and change overtime, these people were not originally Igbos but if they now accept to be Igbo, fine. The people called Igbo now had different origins but they've accepted to be one just like any other tribe. The British colonial government supported the missionary to imposed Igbo language on these people because the Bible has been translated to Igbo and the Education system then, overtime they assimilated it. In my research among these people, I found out that all the Church officials that are not Britons are mainly Igbo who supported the imposition then. The Urobos and many groups- Oguta, Onitsha and all those op mentioned traced their origins to Bini, these are not mistake. Yoruba will never claim or reject if they so wished the Apoi, Ogori, Egun and several Borgu, Nupe, etc that use the language or have assimilated nor Hausas claiming the minorities who now bear Hausa names and use no other language but Hausa. Average Ika man would not accept to be Igbo and you must also know that there are pockets of Yoruba and Igala communities in Delta North that have assimilated to their environment, you can't force them but they can accept to be Igbo just the way Apoi has assimilated but their brothers Arogbo understand Yoruba but have not assimilated. |
| Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by warrior01: 6:49am On Oct 14, 2015 |
alablec:Thrash. Please can you tell us what tied these Igbo people to Edo? Is it language or culture? |
| Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by Kagawa10: 7:24am On Oct 14, 2015 |
meccuno:Agbor and certainly Ukwuani has little to none ibo culture nor traditions though! What you people failed to realise is that just as not all Itsekiri has Yoruba's descent, so are the Aniomas! Some Itsekiri descended from the Urhobos, Edo, Isoko et al, would it now be reasonable and respectable to categorise these folks as Yorubas because they speak Yoruba? Of course not! Same way for the Aniomas! Some descended from Ibos ancestry while others has Edo, Urhobos descent, even Yorubas in the case of the Olukunmi people. That should be enough reason to respect these people's self determination. Don't you think it's quite stupid to tell the likes of Ukwuani, Olukumi, Agbor that they are Ibo when majority of these people has no ibo ancestry nor traditions? Why is that it is only ibos that fails to understand this simple logic? If Yorubas could respect and understand Itsekiri's self determination, why can't the ibos? |
| Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by Nobody: 7:25am On Oct 14, 2015*. Modified: 7:44am On Oct 14, 2015 |
warrior01:Please, let's stop being emotional about this. people will continue to evolve, The Itsekiri, Urobo and Ijaw have different languages but almost the same culture. The Igbo and Yoruba that continue to quarreling on nothing share many linguistic affinity, eg aka - apa(aka in Ekiti), imi-imu(imi- breath), iti-eti, onu-enu, miri-omi, okute-okuta, ejima-eji, etc. we continue to allow emotions to lead us instead of building on what has join us together. We can't just write off Bini influence. I also want to say that there are many groups in these places that have their origins among main Igbo in the East. However, people are really mixed and self determination is what matters in this situations, no one should speak for these people, the ball is in their court! |
| Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by hoobs(m): 7:25am On Oct 14, 2015 |
aim5:like I said u guyz should jux mind ur business,I do not care who u look lyk or do not like,what am saying is that ur kinsmen should stop opening threads aimed at causing division among igbo speaking biafrans and Biafrans at large,go through my posts u would not see a thread concerning ur state or tribe which I do not know and dnt want 2 know |
| Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by Kagawa10: 7:37am On Oct 14, 2015 |
lygn19:Ibos and their victim mentality rear its ugly head again! Eediot forgot to mention what the ibos did in Benin before the retaliation but rather paint a suitable story from his own end! Na that victim wey you people dey always portray go be una portions! Yeye people! |
| Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by Nobody: 7:38am On Oct 14, 2015 |
To all Igbos commenting on this thread...I say stop, the OP whom I believed is a yoruba man masquering as a Benin man just opened a new thread; I believed has been removed by Moderators calling for the massacre of all Igbos. Prove below
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| Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by Kagawa10: 7:39am On Oct 14, 2015 |
hoobs:Will you shut it? Go to Agbor and Ukwuani and make them speak ibo! Yeye people! |
| Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by Nobody: 7:40am On Oct 14, 2015 |
Kagawa10:igbos did things in Benin, I thought midwesr igbos are Edo why did they kill there brothers because of igbos . |
| Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by HopeAtHand: 7:41am On Oct 14, 2015 |
kingzizzy:Factors responsible. 1) Areas of settlement: from writeup Akalaka and his young family travelled from Benin and settled in areas already inhabited by locals..The locals were more in number and as such were able to dominate in language.(to interact with them, you need to learn language). 2)Intermarriage: again from writeup, Akalaka had to marry his second wife from within the community he settled to gain love and trust of the local population..Akalaka and sons were supplied wives by Igbos. 3) Slave trading: It was common practice then to buy slaves for ecoomic and domestic purposes and Igboland were relentless selling its people as slaves (Igbos can sell anything for money).A man with maybe 2wives and 14 children can own more than 200 male and female slaves..Akalaka and Sons took hundreds of Igbo slaves. So then, anyone asking of Igbo influence should understand how it came about..But we know our history. Im perjectly jaded with Ikwerre this, Igbo that. |
| Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by meccuno: 7:42am On Oct 14, 2015 |
alablec:oga, I donnt know the school you went to, but you are not making sense.........there are case studies about various tribes around the world who were forced with another language and still maintained their indigenous language....eg the Scottish,the red indians,most tribes in the North......I used to assume that all tribes where hausa in the north until my northern friends explained it to me......people of jos speak hausa, but they have their indigenous languages.....the insinuation that they were forced and because language evolves means that its the reason why they speak igbo........the yorubas in kogi state are yorubas, the yorubas in illorin are yorubas even if they speak hausa or igala........your argument doesn't hold water at all.......if the ikwerris were never igbos, why do we speak the same language,have the same culture and they eveb behave like igbos......were they forced to change cultures as well......as one post said.....ONLY THE IGBOs KNOWs THE IGBOS......we know ourselves......one cause of these identity issue to an extent was caused by the igbos but that's for another day......... I am just amazed @ how non igbos all of a sudden became custodians of igbo culture.....well.....am just here to laugh @ ignorant people..... |
| Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by Kagawa10: 7:43am On Oct 14, 2015 |
new2020:Wetin this eediot dey yarn? I thought you said you are a Calabar but this portray a different story. Yeye people! |
| Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by Nobody: 7:44am On Oct 14, 2015*. Modified: 8:16am On Oct 14, 2015 |
Ubenedictus:The Past is Present. The past is not dead – that it lives on in the present. Igbos may forgive but surely have not forgotten the atrocious deeds of your kinsmen and how you treacherous backstabbers colluded with your masters to commit genocide on your supposed Anioma brothers in 1967-70. Remember how your hero, Anthony Enahoro, was used and dumped by the Arewa-Odua gang up, and he later faded into oblivion and died a nobody. Up till date your elites have been in the habit of betraying the trust of the South. They rarely stand up to counter the great evils, injustice, inequity and lopsided arrangement in the polity but would rather join hands with the perpetrators for the evils to continue. Karma comes after everyone eventually... xtrorse: |
| Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by Nobody: 7:45am On Oct 14, 2015 |
Kagawa10:You are the same person as the OP. You are finished! |
| Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by warrior01: 7:46am On Oct 14, 2015 |
alablec:Please don't be clever by half. Remember, you postulated they came from Benin,right? And, I've simply for asked for the evidences that made you reach your conclusion. Is it by linguistic or culture? If the so called Igbos originated from Edo, how come they only speak a dialect of Igbo? How come their cultures are different? If they are the conquerors as you want us to believe, how did their language and culture got subdued totally and they lost all to the Igbos. I bet you, it's not a crime to think and ask questions |
| Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by warrior01: 7:49am On Oct 14, 2015 |
HopeAtHand:
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| Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by tonychristopher: 7:50am On Oct 14, 2015 |
HopeAtHand:But efiks has been interacting with aros for centuries they still don't speak Igbo nor bear Igbo names The Ibibio has been more than interacting with igbos and they are Igbo friends for millennia yet they don't speak Igbo no bear Igbo names So as you can see the trading and interaction theory is false These ikwere and ukwuani are just Igbo(id) its as simple as that Take it or leave it |
| Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by Kagawa10: 7:51am On Oct 14, 2015 |
lygn19:Yeye man! Everyone knows that Asaba people and some elements in Delta are ibos! Infact, it was the ibo betrayers in Delta that gave access to their brothers to invade Delta and Benin! So stop yarning dust! |
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