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Chartey:
You don't know for a fact that they were not engaged because they were not from there. Even if they see it that way, it doesn't make it true. Maybe the one from there played his politics right and got it despite the hospital not wanting to give any of them. Please we don't need this right now.
They may have also considered the language as many of the patients may not be able to speak English.

First are they meant to play any form of politics for a housejob placement? Second the hospital asked them to come for the interview because they lack house officers. The number that came for the interview were less than number of available spaces. They had to stay back for a month because an internal source told them that the MD wasn't around to sign their already typed appointment letters. The guy came back and signed only one. Language may be a criterion when you have a lot of people struggling for few positions but definitely not in current maiduguri that only people who are tired of staying at home go to. Meanwhile they were able to manage some bomb blast victims while waiting so I see language as no excuse.

eleojo23:
I will reply you with a question followed by an answer.
Using NYSC as an example, what options are there for anyone posted to highly insecure states like Borno and Bauchi? The answer is, the person can decide to go there or apply for redeployment. Such options should also be available for internship if the practice of posting is adopted.

As for me, the later is what I would do.

You think its easy to redeploy?

For you to redeploy, you must first report to camp. Then while you are waiting for redeployment letter you will be posted to your PPA. After maybe 6 months into your service, your redeployment request MAY be granted. By then you've already settled in.

NYSC only acquiesce to redeployment letters from pregnant women and from very sick corpers.

Obinoscopy:
It seems you didn't get me. Less than 20% of us who applied for NAUTH got it. In that of Orthopaedic Hospital, Enugu that I didn't get, only 5% of those who applied got it. That of FMC Owerri was worse (although I didn't go because I was oblivious of the interview but was told by my colleagues that went).

It took some of my colleagues over a year to get a placement. It took me close to 3 months or thereabout. So don't think that your generation is being maltreated. My sister is an intern at the moment so I'm in tune with you guys. You are not alone

I still maintain that something has to give. Place or Time. If Time is of priority to you, then spread your search to all the geopolitical zones within the country,

I'm tempted to ask.....did you get yours on merit or did you work round it?
Pls b sincere!

Obinoscopy:
It seems you didn't get me. Less than 20% of us who applied for NAUTH got it. In that of Orthopaedic Hospital, Enugu that I didn't get, only 5% of those who applied got it. That of FMC Owerri was worse (although I didn't go because I was oblivious of the interview but was told by my colleagues that went).

It took some of my colleagues over a year to get a placement. It took me close to 3 months or thereabout. So don't think that your generation is being maltreated. My sister is an intern at the moment so I'm in tune with you guys. You are not alone

I still maintain that something has to give. Place or Time. If Time is of priority to you, then spread your search to all the geopolitical zones within the country,

There are people always on the road for one interview or the other in different zones of the country that are still searching especially for medical laboratory scientists. Some have given up and have opted for NYSC after about 2 years. It's just obvious you have the connection. Enjoy your privilege and stop generalizing.

MegMich:
I'm tempted to ask.....did you get yours on merit or did you work round it? Pls b sincere!

Perfect question! Let's hope he will bold to be sincere enough.

Obinoscopy:
You think its easy to redeploy?

For you to redeploy, you must first report to camp. Then while you are waiting for redeployment letter you will be posted to your PPA. After maybe 6 months into your service, your redeployment request MAY be granted. By then you've already settled in.

NYSC only acquiesce to redeployment letters from pregnant women and from very sick corpers.

I am only using NYSC as an example because it has a close structure to what I am talking about. But I am looking at a more easier redeployment process for internship, something like 'application for transfer'.
Presently interns have the opportunity to change from one centre to another if they have a genuine reason to leave the centre were they began the program.
I believe security concern is a genuine reason to approve someone's application for transfer.
It may not be implemented exactly the way I have stated it but it should be much more easier than that of NYSC. That is what I am thinking.

Biosahal:
Who cares.

You can ask your pop that.

justirich:
don't derail this thread. open another one for your ideas

Frankly I don't care if u get a place for housemanship or not. Not really.

But I am concerned about how house officers are being used to destabilise the health sector and in turn creating limited spaces for housemanship

Your inability to get placement is nothing but a symptom of a bigger malaise. The 2year wait may yet stretch to 5 yrs when your mates will be about rounding up residency.

With some patience, a good behaviour and some humility you Will get there. In the meantime read,, understand and shut your mouth.

Pennywise:
Frankly I don't care if u get a place for housemanship or not. Not really.

But I am concerned about how house officers are being used to destabilise the health sector and in turn creating limited spaces for housemanship

Your inability to get placement is nothing but a symptom of a bigger malaise. The 2year wait may yet stretch to 5 yrs.

With some patience, a good behaviour and some humility you Will get there. In the meantime read,, understand and shut your mouth.

and are your post's humble, or show you have good behaviour you came to disrupt somebody's thread and still have the effrontery to mouth off at the OP smh for you

Obinoscopy:
Why must it be NAUTH or UNTH? Why not Federal Medical Centre, Kebbi or the one in Makurdi? Why not the Teaching Hospital in Ebonyi or the State Hospital at Parklane? If time is of essence why not spread your search?

In law school, the law graduates are not paid salary by the government thus they can afford to accept many of them. For medical students, they are paid (they even earn more than some full time staff of the institution) thus the slots would be smaller. You can't just compare the two in terms competitiveness.

It is always Nnewi, PH, UNTH, LuTH....why not the most peaceful state so far..kebbi, then sokoto, Bida, Minna, Kotangora, Jalingo, , Amassoma etc with their FMC's and state teaching hospitals that you can get easy placement?

aaidel:
and are your post's humble, or show you have good behaviour you came to disrupt somebody's thread and still have the effrontery to mouth off at the OP smh for you

Govt is not going to legislate for an automatic absorption for all prospective interns bc they can't. Teaching hospitals, FMCs, General hospitals even designated private hospitals are taking a fraction of what they should bc they cannot afford the cost.

You do understand that?
Besides who says have to be humble?

Hey Obi, I disagree with you. I think you wrote like you have some beef for Medics. After internship and service, catering for a Medic is no longer the responsibility of Federal Government, you're on your own, except you get government job or start residency programme. However, just like Youth service, the internishp is partly a job and partly a training programme. Most of the practical aspect of Healthcare are perfected at this stage, that's why it's mandatory, but at same time interns are like the artery of every teaching hospital, they provide a great deal of services, that's why they are paid.

The issue raised here is the poor system of recruiting medical interns in Nigeria. It's not so in organised countries. There shouldn't be any exam or payment whatsoever before internship. It is mandatory, meaning you must do it, to progress in your profession. It should be by placement just like NYSC programme, it's as simple and straightforward as that.

In Medicine and Surgery, Someone who has passed his primary exam is very qualified for residency, and shouldn't be subjected to any form of exam or payment.
MDCN or other bodies for other profession should take up this responsibility and organise the system.

When we talk about corruption, we tend to overlook some of these things, there's no need for acceptance fee after securing admission into school, acceptance for what exactly?? This country is too messed up, most people don't know the extent we have damaged our system, otherwise why would parents keep paying acceptance fee without any legal challenge. I don't blame people who call this country, Zoo.

You shouldn't antagonise this because if it is corrected, your kids or relations will enjoy a better system, if he or she studies a medically oriented course.

Obinoscopy:
Very soon, they will also want the government to give them a job when they're done with service and internship. That's wrong. Every medical graduate should go into the world and go through the rigors of internship job search. It would make him or her ready to face challenges in life.

However I'm not in support of the application fees. The forms should be free.

Pennywise:
The never ending acrimonious war between doctors and the paramedics in govt hospitals have many unintended consequences and this is one of them.

Strikes and counter strikes have resulted in a situation where these health personnel through their leverage on govt rather than market forces determine their take home. House officers being doctors even though in training have to be appropriately remunerated. So, you find a hospital that can conveniently take 120 interns accepting no more than 30 for example bc they cannot afford to pay more.

So next time doctors go on strike and house officers are co-opted even though they might get that pay rise, they have made things significantly worse for those coming in.

I feel disappointed that when doctors make a case for a pay rise they compare their salaries with those in England and the US. Exactly on what basis might I ask? Why don't they compare take homes with other third world countries like Pakistan, India, Philippines or Ghana that they earn more than.

No one in Govt is interested in asking these questions bc they want an illusion of peace and stability so they can loot for themselves and disappear when it's time leaving behind even entrenching old problems

House officers occupy a key position in these endless politics of strike and counter strike. Like consultants govt should make their strike illegal forth with and let's see how effective the next call for strike will be.

Also govt should take steps to address the absurdity of consultant matron, consultant pharmacists consultant optometrists etc. When u choose to adopt structures from other countries u don't pick and chose what suits you but what is practicable, justifiable and relevant.

Pennywise:
Frankly I don't care if u get a place for housemanship or not. Not really.

But I am concerned about how house officers are being used to destabilise the health sector and in turn creating limited spaces for housemanship

Your inability to get placement is nothing but a symptom of a bigger malaise. The 2year wait may yet stretch to 5 yrs when your mates will be about rounding up residency.

With some patience, a good behaviour and some humility you Will get there. In the meantime read,, understand and shut your mouth.

check your first reply and then the second and see if any correlation. how does paramedics or consultant matrons or pharmacists concern this thread? wisdom is not by age or knowledge which is obvious in your case. you can read first before commenting. too many educated illiterates on NL. and your people will be happy they have trained someone. smh

I don't want to write much on this internship programme for some reasons. But why Nigerians have this mentalility that things shouldn't be made straightforward, amazes me. Just because they want to place some unnecessary value... People are subjected to unnecessary suffering and risks. There shouldn't be any form of competition in relation to internship programme, it's mandatory training, what qualifies one for the internship is securing your degree

CMDs and Administrative arms of teaching hospitals do a lot of malpractice, let me cite one example; interns are recruited in batches or sets, so a set end up leaving at the same time. When a set leaves, there's usually about 2, 3 or even more months time lag before new recruit are taken to replace the out gone interns, now during this time lag, federal govt still allocate and send funds to teaching hospitals, these monies are pocketed by who?? While there are propective interns wasting at home.

This country is messed up.

centje:
I don't want to write much on this internship programme for some reasons. But why Nigerians have this mentalility that things shouldn't be made straightforward, amazes me. Just because they want to place some unnecessary value... People are subjected to unnecessary suffering and risks. There shouldn't be any form of competition in relation to internship programme, it's mandatory training, what qualifies one for the internship is securing your degree

CMDs and Administrative arms of teaching hospitals do a lot of malpractice, let me cite one example; interns are recruited in batches or sets, so a set end up leaving at the same time. When a set leaves, there's usually about 2, 3 or even more months time lag before new recruit are taken to replace the out gone interns, now during this time lag, federal govt still allocate and send funds to teaching hospitals, these monies are pocketed by who?? While there are propective interns wasting at home.

This country is messed up.

You are right.
There is this strange belief among Nigerians that everything must be difficult, that someone must struggle and suffer for EVERYTHING thinking that that is how life should be. A lot of people have this mindset and that is why the country is like this.
They fail to realise that it is an obvious failure of our systems.
Nobody is encouraging anyone to be lazy.
Everyone ought to make some effort to get certain things in life but we don't need to struggle for EVERYTHING. Once the systems are in place and everything runs as it should, people will not have to struggle unnecessarily.

centje:
I don't want to write much on this internship programme for some reasons. But why Nigerians have this mentalility that things shouldn't be made straightforward, amazes me. Just because they want to place some unnecessary value... People are subjected to unnecessary suffering and risks. There shouldn't be any form of competition in relation to internship programme, it's mandatory training, what qualifies one for the internship is securing your degree

CMDs and Administrative arms of teaching hospitals do a lot of malpractice, let me cite one example; interns are recruited in batches or sets, so a set end up leaving at the same time. When a set leaves, there's usually about 2, 3 or even more months time lag before new recruit are taken to replace the out gone interns, now during this time lag, federal govt still allocate and send funds to teaching hospitals, these monies are pocketed by who?? While there are propective interns wasting at home.

This country is messed up.

This example you cited sir, is what is happening right now at Lautech teaching hospital, ogbomoso...

There are just six house officers left in all the four core clinical specialties, roughly two house officers each. And these goons have about 25-50 patients to monitor, how them go do am??

And the old-cargo CMD just bought the latest lexus jeep for 18million.....

In fact, God dey!!!

Pennywise:
Govt is not going to legislate for an automatic absorption for all prospective interns bc they can't. Teaching hospitals, FMCs, General hospitals even designated private hospitals are taking a fraction of what they should bc they cannot afford the cost.

You do understand that?
Besides who says have to be humble?

The institutions should be bold enough to publish number of slots available yearly. A federal hospital in southeast had a capacity of about 144 as at 2003 while the state institution had a capacity of just 12 {published mdcn guidelines 2003}. Currently the same state hospital has 50 {400% increase} house officers and are working on further increasing their capacity while the federal institution currently has about 120 house officers with most of them paying for a slot.
Rumors {cos of no transparency} have it they currently have a 180-200 capacity now.
Most of the federal institutions take less than the approved number. These institutions cover their tracks with the false out cry of lack of funds but have refused to open their books for scrutiny.
MDCN has refused to publish a revised edition of the guidelines for practice since 2003. Hope they are not aiding these thieves in making life miserable for the young graduates.

Biosahal:
Who cares.

why are you bitter? Its bad for your soul lad. Nobody sent you to be unserious till you got withdrawn or probably unable to meet up with cut off mark required. Jamb form would soon be out boy.

flightz:
why are you bitter? Its bad for your soul lad. Nobody sent you to be unserious till you got withdrawn or probably unable to meet up with cut off mark required. Jamb form would soon be out boy.

Am not bitter. But the reality of d present is how much an intern seek to earn with the number of graduates. Take cost into consideration.
Please help me answer this question.
Has number of our medical graduates increase with hospitals expansions?

So why quote me

Asshole

Biosahal:
Who cares

justirich:
check your first reply and then the second and see if any correlation. how does paramedics or consultant matrons or pharmacists concern this thread? wisdom is not by age or knowledge which is obvious in your case. you can read first before commenting. too many educated illiterates on NL. and your people will be happy they have trained someone. smh

Even if I choose to interpret in your native language, obviously you still wouldnt understand the root cause behind wage politics, incessant strike and the real reason behind decline in House officer placement opportunities in Nigeria's health sector

There are issues in this topic that goes far beyond your capacity to understand. That you started this thread shouldnt make you feel compelled to reply me because I communicate with people who have capacity to understand me. Obviously with you I am not communicating.

Your parents have sweated their lives out to pay your way through medical school. You dont help their effort by being a public nuisance.

Pennywise:
The never ending acrimonious war between doctors and the paramedics in govt hospitals have many unintended consequences and this is one of them.

I feel disappointed that when doctors make a case for a pay rise they compare their salaries with those in England and the US. Exactly on what basis might I ask? Why don't they compare take homes with other third world countries like Pakistan, India, Philippines or Ghana that they earn more than.


Also govt should take steps to address the absurdity of consultant matron, consultant pharmacists consultant optometrists etc. When u choose to adopt structures from other countries u don't pick and chose what suits you but what is practicable, justifiable and relevant.

you started on a lame note. when I pointed out your stupidity, you now changed your tune. compare your comments above and below. An adult trying to lie on an open forum. it's better to keep quiet and be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt. it's not late to buy another jamb form Mr Paramedic.

Pennywise:
Govt is not going to legislate for an automatic absorption for all prospective interns bc they can't. Teaching hospitals, FMCs, General hospitals even designated private hospitals are taking a fraction of what they should bc they cannot afford the cost.

Pennywise:
The reason for the on-going strike by doctors in Lagos hospitals appear rather hazy. It is said that there are two sides to every coin.
At once my view of the doctor's position is that it is obscene, it is immoral and even criminal and therefore the organizers deserve to be prosecuted and jailed for every loss of life or injury suffered by patients in these hospitals.

Their going on strike is nothing short of a criminal behaviour. Resident doctors and house officers are not part of the academic commune involving lecturers and students, interaction in the wards not withstanding. If they want to teach medical students alongside their own training then this can be negotiated and specific assignments will be given to them. But what happens if a resident doctor fails or keeps failing in his exam? And these same resident doctors keep impacting toxic knowledge on the students. In order words only fellowship certification guarrantees a mastery of knowledge and skill that is worth paying for.

The present executive of the guild of medical doctors have embarrassed all doctors. There is only one thing left for them to do- resign en mass and tender an unreserved apology to the good people of Lagos state and the govt.

quotes from your thread in 2012- https://www.nairaland.com/929047/on-going-strike-lagos-doctors
Obviously you have a beef with doctors. That's why you want to derail this thread. And I advised you initially to open another thread for that. Since you were so impatient to vomit your bile, you didn't notice it was an association of doctors, pharmacists, med lab scientists, radiographers, physiotherapists etc that united to produce these recommendations. pls read properly before replying next time.

angiography:
Your 'KID BRO'.... U cld have just said your 'bro'.

See me see wahala ooo
How e concern u?

Pennywise:
Govt is not going to legislate for an automatic absorption for all prospective interns bc they can't. Teaching hospitals, FMCs, General hospitals even designated private hospitals are taking a fraction of what they should bc they cannot afford the cost.

You do understand that?
Besides who says have to be humble?

why are you contradicting yourself you ask someone to be humble yet you don't want to be hypocrite much?

as for your assertion that government cannot afford the cost to train new dr's, is it not the same government that subsidizes tuition for majority of these dr's if they know they cant afford to train them then why admit so much into the universities?? Are you also following in most countries first year jobs are guaranteed to graduates from that country which means that the government knows how many it is expecting to graduate and has a place for them prior to graduation i am sure they don't have two heads there.

justirich:
quotes from your thread in 2012- https://www.nairaland.com/929047/on-going-strike-lagos-doctors
Obviously you have a beef with doctors. That's why you want to derail this thread. And I advised you initially to open another thread for that. Since you were so impatient to vomit your bile, you didn't notice it was an association of doctors, pharmacists, med lab scientists, radiographers, physiotherapists etc that united to produce these recommendations. pls read properly before replying next time.

The reason for the on-going strike by doctors in Lagos hospitals appear rather hazy. It is said that there are two sides to every coin. At the moment the only side in the media is the government side which is that resident doctors and house officers are demanding teaching allowances for their input in the training of medical students. This is yet to be refuted by the Guild of medical doctors behind the strike. Until a contrary position is made available by the other side it will form the basis of my opinion on the strike issue.

At once my view of the doctor's position is that it is obscene, it is immoral and even criminal and therefore the organizers deserve to be prosecuted and jailed for every loss of life or injury suffered by patients in these hospitals.

Teaching was not in your job description therefore you have no right to insist on payment for a job you neither signed for or known to have done. If you did it and you feel your input is not being appreciated then you are free to stop. You have no right or justification to withhold other services for which you get a just remuneration by going on strike.

Their going on strike is nothing short of a criminal behaviour. Resident doctors and house officers are not part of the academic commune involving lecturers and students, interaction in the wards not withstanding. If they want to teach medical students alongside their own training then this can be negotiated and specific assignments will be given to them. But what happens if a resident doctor fails or keeps failing in his exam? And these same resident doctors keep impacting toxic knowledge on the students. In order words only fellowship certification guarrantees a mastery of knowledge and skill that is worth paying for.

Secondly, if the government gives in to this blackmail then it will have no reason not to pay nurses, pharmacists, optometrists and lab scientists similar entitlements.

Today's politicians are businessmen who have no clue about governance. All they yearn is 'stability' so they can loot as much as possible. Fashola's govt will be creating a dangerous precedent in the country if it accedes to this demand.

The present executive of the guild of medical doctors have embarrassed all doctors. There is only one thing left for them to do- resign en mass and tender an unreserved apology to the good people of Lagos state and the govt.

When you quote me, dont do it halfway. Quote me fully.

I wrote those views sometime in 2012 while you were still struggling with your first or second MB. Now, if I was your teacher I guarrantee you will never become a doctor let alone hope for internship. You neither have the smarts nor the mindset. I have been eating morons like you for lunch on NL a long time. But I either grew too long in the tooth or I find the current set of wannabes like you worthless and therefore a complete waste of valuable time.

For those who still care about the thread my position remains that there can be no solution to the relative dearth of intern places unless doctors' remuneration are allowed to yield to market forces. In plain and simple language, doctors are overpaid relative to what our hospitals can afford. Many more spaces will be freed when salaries and allowances become more affordable. We attained this sorry state of affairs because of frivolous and unnecessary strikes. No real solution can be attained without measures aimed to address them. And house officers must be prevented from going on strike.

These may sound harsh but there is no easier way to address these problems. A one year internship is not an opportunity to amass wealth. Some of these doctors are even prepared to do it gratis than stay home. If such an opportunity is presented 20 HO places could become 200 places overnight which goes to show that the primary impediment is financial.

MegMich:
I'm tempted to ask.....did you get yours on merit or did you work round it?
Pls b sincere!

Yes, mine was based on merit.

centje:
Hey Obi, I disagree with you. I think you wrote like you have some beef for Medics. After internship and service, catering for a Medic is no longer the responsibility of Federal Government, you're on your own, except you get government job or start residency programme. However, just like Youth service, the internishp is partly a job and partly a training programme. Most of the practical aspect of Healthcare are perfected at this stage, that's why it's mandatory, but at same time interns are like the artery of every teaching hospital, they provide a great deal of services, that's why they are paid.

The issue raised here is the poor system of recruiting medical interns in Nigeria. It's not so in organised countries. There shouldn't be any exam or payment whatsoever before internship. It is mandatory, meaning you must do it, to progress in your profession. It should be by placement just like NYSC programme, it's as simple and straightforward as that.

In Medicine and Surgery, Someone who has passed his primary exam is very qualified for residency, and shouldn't be subjected to any form of exam or payment.
MDCN or other bodies for other profession should take up this responsibility and organise the system.

When we talk about corruption, we tend to overlook some of these things, there's no need for acceptance fee after securing admission into school, acceptance for what exactly?? This country is too messed up, most people don't know the extent we have damaged our system, otherwise why would parents keep paying acceptance fee without any legal challenge. I don't blame people who call this country, Zoo.

You shouldn't antagonise this because if it is corrected, your kids or relations will enjoy a better system, if he or she studies a medically oriented course.

I have no beefs against the medics. I'm a pharmacist. I did internship myself.

However it's my love for my profession that made me insist that internship slots be made competitive. The beauty of a competitive atmosphere is that it brings out the best in people.

I'm totally in support of exams for intending internees.This will make each medical school ensure that they churn out qualified medical graduates that will not disgrace them when seeking internship offers or any other offer for that matter.

Pennywise:
For those who still care about the thread my position remains that there can be no solution to the relative dearth of intern places unless doctors' remuneration are allowed to yield to market forces. In plain and simple language, doctors are overpaid relative to what our hospitals can afford. And house officers must be prevented from going on strike.
These may sound harsh but there is no easier way to address these problems. A one year internship is not an opportunity to amass wealth.

if doctors pay is such a big headache to your failed life, why not get 2016 UTME form? you are basically concerned with doctors pay as the solution to all the problems faced by all categories of fresh medical graduates. it's a great pity that you are still bitter like as at 3years ago. who said one-year internship is an opportunity to amass wealth? Jealousy don kill this paramedic finish. chai!!! you could not enter medical school and you are here hoping you were a lecturer. Quite laughable. You wanted to derail this thread to anti-doctors stuff and I'm here to correct that moronic behavior. Your intentions are pretty obvious now. Get a life pls

justirich:
if doctors pay is such a big headache to your failed life, why not get 2016 UTME form? you are basically concerned with doctors pay as the solution to all the problems faced by all categories of fresh medical graduates. it's a great pity that you are still bitter like as at 3years ago. who said one-year internship is an opportunity to amass wealth? Jealousy don kill this paramedic finish. chai!!! you could not enter medical school and you are here hoping you were a lecturer. Quite laughable. You wanted to derail this thread to anti-doctors stuff and I'm here to correct that moronic behavior. Your intentions are pretty obvious now. Get a life pls

That is where you are wrong. My views are actually pro-doctors. And I mean real doctors who are deserving of the name and not the impurities like you. Eventually circumstances will throw you up and you will be recognized and weeded out like many before you. There will be no place to hide.

Yes I mean it when I say there are a lot of doctors who are willing to do the internship without pay. But there is just no way you can wrap that around your poverty stricken head. Or is there?

Obinoscopy:
I have no beefs against the medics. I'm a pharmacist. I did internship myself.

However it's my love for my profession that made me insist that internship slots be made competitive. The beauty of a competitive atmosphere is that it brings out the best in people.

I'm totally in support of exams for intending internees.This will make each medical school ensure that they churn out qualified medical graduates that will not disgrace them when seeking internship offers or any other offer for that matter.

If only the conduction of such exams were fair, no one would be complaining.
Do you know what it feels like preparing for an exam you know will probably have no effect on your chances. Your so-called colleagues stick to your face. They tell you where, how and to whom they've submitted letters and money.

It is indeed discouraging

Pennywise:
That is where you are wrong. My views are actually pro-doctors. And I mean real doctors who are deserving of the name and not the impurities like you. Eventually circumstances will throw you up and you will be recognized and weeded out like many before you. There will be no place to hide.

Yes I mean it when I say there are a lot of doctors who are willing to do the internship without pay. But there is just no way you can wrap that around your poverty stricken head. Or is there?

quite ironic. it's pretty obvious who is having a poverty-stricken head. A failed paramedic who first argued that paramedics and doctors are the cause of the internship crisis, complained about doctors salaries compared to other countries, later then dwelt on talk of consultancies and then finally house officers pay. who is the confused fellow here? you are now trying to belatedly cover up your personal beef. pls come back to your senses asap.
I will post your replies here below again so you can assess yourself.

Pennywise:
The never ending acrimonious war between doctors and the paramedics in govt hospitals have many unintended consequences and this is one of them.

I feel disappointed that when doctors make a case for a pay rise they compare their salaries with those in England and the US. Exactly on what basis might I ask? Why don't they compare take homes with other third world countries like Pakistan, India, Philippines or Ghana that they earn more than.

Also govt should take steps to address the absurdity of consultant matron, consultant pharmacists consultant optometrists etc.

Pennywise:
For those who still care about the thread my position remains that there can be no solution to the relative dearth of intern places unless doctors' remuneration are allowed to yield to market forces. In plain and simple language, doctors are overpaid relative to what our hospitals can afford. And house officers must be prevented from going on strike.
These may sound harsh but there is no easier way to address these problems. A one year internship is not an opportunity to amass wealth.