₦airaland Forum

Patchesagain:
1. lol I see you dont know much about Skygaurd

2. Your purchase of GDF-02 guns is well documented

Patchesagain:
I just worked a 64 hour work week

FighterPilot:
Seems our fake military analyst has gone wrong again. Bofors aircraft guns can only shoot up to the range of 4km, not fictitious 12 Km.

http://www.armyrecognition.com/sweden_swedish_military_army_light_heavy_weapons/l/70_l70_l-70_bofors_40mm_automatic_anti-aircraft_gun_air_defence_system_technical_data_sheet.htBofors

FighterPilot:
Skyshield GDF-007 comes complete with AHEAD anti aircraft guided missiles with the range of 8km. That is exactly what SANDF will be having in 2017.

Patchesagain:
Lets compare shall we?

Roland SAM - obsolete 1970's missile system
Blowpipe SAM - obsolete 1970's missile system
SA-7 MANPAD - obsolete 1960's MANPAD system

Starstreak - most advanced MANPAD currently in operation, no known countermeasures.
Uhmkonto - latest generation of SAM missile systems

So, conclusion:

SANDF missile defence - state of the art
Nigerian missile defence - obsolete 1960's and 1970's junk


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Patchesagain:
1. We use Skysheild standardized to latest generation GDF-006 AHEAD and GDF-007 AHEAD standard. Yes they are 100% better

2. Nigerian Bofors is an ancient WW2 weapon - developed in 1933

3. Nope, your man beeguggug says its GDF-02... is he wrong?

4. We know the numbers, you have only got 16 GDF-20

5. Yes, and we have more AAA guns than you (148 in total) and they are more advanced.

And lets be clear:

- Nigerian GDF 02 = OBSOLETE
- Bofors = OBSOLETE
- Shilka = OBSOLETE
- Type 90 = Copy of the GDF-02

Your air defence is a collection of obsolete systems with obsolete fire-systems! Pathetic rag tag army!

FighterPilot:
Bwahahaha…

F7 jet cost just less $5 million a unit. It unit price ranges from $3-$5 dollar. Gripen cost $68 million a unit. You are a fool and that's why I specifically found you a website dedicated to fools like you


http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/06/07/fighter-jet-worlds-top-10-best-sellers.aspx

iblawi:
Stop claiming what you are not.

Let me remind you of a old post on this same thread 2584.



For example, back in 2009, the South African Air Force stopped automatically releasing data on how many hours combat pilots flew for training. When the numbers were finally obtained, it was discovered that in 2008, fighter pilots were in the air for 325 hours (less than two hours a month per pilot). In contrast, pilots on VIP flights (carrying politicians and government officials) were up there 1,932 hours.



https://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/South-Africa-Loses-Use-Of-Its-new-Gripens-8-18-2013.asp

Patchesagain:
Your politicans wouldent dream of it? pic related! In the middle of a war, when your military is desperate for funding and new equipment... your politicians still found time to buy a new toy


The Department of Defence’s 2013/14 annual report noted that the SAAF flew a total of 18 454 hours, or 87.65% of the planned flying hours for the year ending March 31. Of the targeted 6 300 force employment hours that were planned, only 4 471 were actually flown as “the requirements of force employment were less than predicted.”
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=36879:feature-operationally-stretched-saaf-flying-fewer-hours&catid=35:Aerospace

18 000 hours, 4 471 for training alone.

Deal with it

agaugust:
1. NA Skyguard is a 1980 radar, SANDF Skyshield is a 1985 radar, both are old 1980-85 generation equipment.

2. Show proof of how many GDF 002 units Nigeria has , credible source not wikipedia that you South Africans edit daily to change data
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agaugust:
In a slave labour farm?

agaugust:
Fake soldier, you need more lecture from a Nigerian military researcher who educated you about your own country's air force uniform, I am sure you have now been trained by me on how to differentiate SANDF army camo from that of SAAF, say thank you baas

Bofors fires effective 4km range without radar, you didn't know that, I have to teach you. Eyesight will not see aircraft beyond that range.

With the normal radar, Bofors shoots to over 12 km and Nigeria beats South Africa again with range.

"This gun was used throughout the war and was the main medium anti-aircraft gun. It could fire at a rate of 330 rounds a minute with a range of 41,000ft."

http://shropshirehistory.com/military/antiaircraft.htm

Nigerians have to educate you South Africans all the time. Dullards.

agaugust:
You have NOTHING like that today 2015. Case closed.

agaugust:
Your argument is dead on arrival.

SANDF army does NOT have any Umhkonto missile in service today, it is under development you fraud.

agaugust:
Your only SAM in SANDF is a toy MANPAD starstreak with ONLY 1 km maximum ceiling, NAF will r.ape your army with ordinary Gazelle armed helicopters, your army will azz bleed to death

Nigerian SA-7 has max ceiling 4.5 km


Missile Name : SA-7 Grail 9M32M Strela
Max. Range : 5,500 meters
Max. Altitude 4,500 meters

http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/sa-7.htm

Your SANDF air defence is even worse than that of Tanzania

agaugust:
1. SANDF has NO single AHEAD ammunition today 2015. Your GDF-005 is a 30 year old 1985 weapon

2. Bofors is still manufactured today 2015, Sweden mounts Bofors 40 mm on their current 2015 CV90 IFV....you olodo

3. Show us source to prove Nigeria has 16 units of GDF 002

5. Our total number of guns is classified, nobody in public knows how many Bofors, GDF 002, and Type 90 that Nigeria has.

[s]SANDF air defence system kills it's own soldiers, the enemy aircraft does not even need to attack, your own GDF 005 attacks and wipes out your own army gun operators.....modernized for suicide

"9am when a battery from 10 Anti-Aircraft Regiment in Kimberley began a live-fire exercise at the Army Combat Training Centre at Lohatlha as part of the SANDF's Exercise Seboka. By the time the gun had emptied its twin 250-round auto-loader magazines, nine soldiers were dead and 11 injured. It appears as though the gun, which is computerised, jammed before there was some sort of explosion and then it opened fire uncontrollably, killing and injuring the soldiers."

http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/9-killed-in-army-horror-1.374838

SANDF has ZERO air defence capability[/s]

agaugust:

[s]How many combat sorties for SAAF ? .....ZERO

Should we add NAF training hours and military liaison hours across the whole country including outside the NE war zone, shall we add NAF daily patrol hours of Niger Delta oil region ? NAF combat sorties alone is 6,000 flights not hours, if ATR-42 does 10 hours flight and Alpha jet does 2 hours flight, those 6,000 sorties could be over 36,000 hours combat hours alone.

Add the training, daily liaison, and daily anti-piracy hours flown by NAF but not detailed to public....[/s].
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EVarn:
@DictatorZar thinks that international politics is like a school yard game of see-saw and skipping rope.I weep for Africa,is this the quality of graduates produced by South African universities?.
Do you think SA would have been able to do anything other than make noise if Botswana had really wanted an AFRICOM base on its soil?,SADC is different from ECOWAS,France practically rules at least 9 of the ECOWAS states; even PMB admitted it on international media.
Out of the 9 francophone 'neo-colonies' in west africa,only 4 can be said to be "moderately independent".Nigeria maintains control in ECOWAS due to its provision of electricity to all its neighbours,financial aid to ECOWAS countries,domination of trade and investment in the region,strong military presence and diplomatic clout.However,we cannot authoritatively dictate to ECOWAS governments because of the staggering degree of french neo-colonial influence,it could lead to loss of regional support.
Even the US cannot fight 9 of its neighbours simultaneously.

agaugust:
[s]1. SANDF has NO single AHEAD ammunition today 2015. Your GDF-005 is a 30 year old 1985 weapon

2. Bofors is still manufactured today 2015, Sweden mounts Bofors 40 mm on their current 2015 CV90 IFV....you olodo

3. Show us source to prove Nigeria has 16 units of GDF 002

5. Our total number of guns is classified, nobody in public knows how many Bofors, GDF 002, and Type 90 that Nigeria has.

SANDF air defence system kills it's own soldiers, the enemy aircraft does not even need to attack, your own GDF 005 attacks and wipes out your own army gun operators.....modernized for suicide

"9am when a battery from 10 Anti-Aircraft Regiment in Kimberley began a live-fire exercise at the Army Combat Training Centre at Lohatlha as part of the SANDF's Exercise Seboka. By the time the gun had emptied its twin 250-round auto-loader magazines, nine soldiers were dead and 11 injured. It appears as though the gun, which is computerised, jammed before there was some sort of explosion and then it opened fire uncontrollably, killing and injuring the soldiers."

http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/9-killed-in-army-horror-1.374838

SANDF has ZERO air defence capability

agaugust:
1. SANDF has NO single AHEAD ammunition today 2015. Your GDF-005 is a 30 year old 1985 weapon

2. Bofors is still manufactured today 2015, Sweden mounts Bofors 40 mm on their current 2015 CV90 IFV....you olodo

3. Show us source to prove Nigeria has 16 units of GDF 002

5. Our total number of guns is classified, nobody in public knows how many Bofors, GDF 002, and Type 90 that Nigeria has.

SANDF air defence system kills it's own soldiers, the enemy aircraft does not even need to attack, your own GDF 005 attacks and wipes out your own army gun operators.....modernized for suicide

"9am when a battery from 10 Anti-Aircraft Regiment in Kimberley began a live-fire exercise at the Army Combat Training Centre at Lohatlha as part of the SANDF's Exercise Seboka. By the time the gun had emptied its twin 250-round auto-loader magazines, nine soldiers were dead and 11 injured. It appears as though the gun, which is computerised, jammed before there was some sort of explosion and then it opened fire uncontrollably, killing and injuring the soldiers."

http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/9-killed-in-army-horror-1.374838

SANDF has ZERO air defence capability

FighterPilot:
The most respected general of Nigerian armed forces and Nephew of the renowned artist Fela Kuti has been jailed for losing to Boko Haram.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/nigerian-general-jailed-losing-battle-boko-haram-34544226

Patchesagain:
1. We use LPD20 from the early 1990's... NA Skyguard is from the 1960's. Ours is being updated to latest 2015 level, yours has been sitting in a shed.

2. Why dont you show proof?

agaugust:
GDF-002 is 1980, and GDF-005 is 1985 technology as I said before, both are old.

"In 1980, The Oerlikon 35 mm GDF-002 automatic anti-aircraft gun is used primarily as an anti-aircraft weapon but can also be applied against ground targets. In May 1985, the GDF-005 was introduced. This is an overall improvement of the GDF-001/2/3 and the earlier models can be modified to the GDF-005 standard by the use of combat improvement kits supplied by Oerlikon Contraves. "

http://www.armyrecognition.com/germany_german_army_light_heavy_weapons/oerlikon_35_mm_twin_cannon_gdf-001_gdf-003_gdf-005_gdf-007_technical_data_sheet_pictures_video.html

We don't know the GDF variant that Nigeria has, we just saw the photo for the first time on this planet shown to the public by Nigerian army. Any GDF can be upgraded to 005 or 007 variant as stated in the above source, Nigeria's variant is not known. The year we even bought the guns are not known.

agaugust:
[s]The Chinese version Type 90 guns of Nigeria are year 2000 technology with data-link, so how does it come with a 1960s radar? Fool art thou !

Fact is that with the Type 90 purchased likely around year 2007 Nigerian army has guns and radars that will match the GDF-005 and Skyshield radars, so you have upgrades to modernize, but we bought brand new modern equipment as our Type 90.

Type 90 has a Chinese radar different from the Skyguard or Skyshield.

Nigerian army Type 90 systems use AF902 radars and are actually superior to SANDF current GDF-005 and Skyshield radars

"The AF902 is a fire control system and search/tracking radar designed and manufactured in China by the Company NORINCO. The system is used with the Type 90 35mm anti-aircraft twin-gun or the SHORAD TY-90 or PL-9C missiles.

The AF902 has two tracking systems, target searching radar and an electro-optical passive tracking director. Computerized 3D target imaging is also used.

The electro-optical tracking system uses high-resolution optical/infrared TV for passive tracking in clear weather. The advantage of continuing tracking without emitting radar signals increases its survivability when facing enemy anti-radiation missiles (ARMs).

The AF902 fire control system and radar integrates advanced X-band search radar, C-band search/tracking radar and Ka-band tracking radar with TV/IR tracking system, IFF and various latest electro-optical technologies, thus guarantees superior multi-target engagement capability, accurate and longer range tracking capability against ultra-low level and small-RCS target, short system reaction time, good all-weather engagement capability, ECCM capability and LPI characteristic, quick system positioning and deployment capability, and excellent reliability as well.

AF902 fire control system can also exchange local air picture with superior operational command system through data link and combat cooperatively with other friendly air defence systems.

The X-Band search radar has a maximum detection range of 22 km for fighter aircraft and 9 km for cruise missile. The C-Band search and tracking radar ad maximum detection range of 32 km for fighter aircraft and 13 km for cruise missile, and tracking range of 32 km for fighter aircraft and 13 km for cruise missile. "

http://www.armyrecognition.com/china_artillery_vehicles_and_weapon_systems_uk/af902_type_902_fire_control_tracking_search_radar_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video.html[/s]

agaugust:
Nigerian army has far superior air defence systems compared to South African army whose Soweto air defence guns kills it's own army !

Nigeria has a mix of variety :

1. Shilka SPAAG .....30 units [OBSOLETE]
2. Roland SAM.....16 units with 300 missiles [OBSOLETE - MISSILES EXPIRED]
3. Blowpipe SAM....200 missiles [OBSOLETE]
4. SA-7 SAM....units undisclosed [OBSOLETE]
5. Bofors AAA.....units undisclosed [OBSOLETE IN WW2, FIT NOW ONLY FOR MEUSEUMS]
6. GDF Oerlikon AAA....variant and units undisclosed [GDF-02, Skygaurd radar suite - OBSOLETE]
7. Type 90 AAA....units undisclosed [GDF-02 copy - OBSOLETE]

Show me how SANDF can match our air defences with your suicide GDF guns and your 1 km max ceiling Starstreak....NA will demolish SANDF

PHOTOS : TYPE 90 AAA CHINA AND NIGERIA.....MODERN NEW GENERATION ANTI-AIRCRAFT WEAPON.
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mzilakazi:
[size=13]Nigeria does not have a single oerlikon GDF-002 [/size].

Some stupid edited wikipedia to fool us into believing that Nigeria has GDF-002… Well now we know they have none .

http://www.liquisearch.com/oerlikon_35_mm_twin_cannon/operators

FighterPilot:
[size=13pt] Nigeria has only 16 GDF-002, ask sipri. [/size]

agaugust:
GDF-002 is 1980, and GDF-005 is 1985 technology as I said before, both are old.

"In 1980, The Oerlikon 35 mm GDF-002 automatic anti-aircraft gun is used primarily as an anti-aircraft weapon but can also be applied against ground targets. In May 1985, the GDF-005 was introduced. This is an overall improvement of the GDF-001/2/3 and the earlier models can be modified to the GDF-005 standard by the use of combat improvement kits supplied by Oerlikon Contraves. "

http://www.armyrecognition.com/germany_german_army_light_heavy_weapons/oerlikon_35_mm_twin_cannon_gdf-001_gdf-003_gdf-005_gdf-007_technical_data_sheet_pictures_video.html

We don't know the GDF variant that Nigeria has, we just saw the photo for the first time on this planet shown to the public by Nigerian army. Any GDF can be upgraded to 005 or 007 variant as stated in the above source, Nigeria's variant is not known. The year we even bought the guns are not known.

The Chinese version Type 90 guns of Nigeria are year 2000 technology with data-link, so how does it come with a 1960s radar? Fool art thou !

Fact is that with the Type 90 purchased likely around year 2007 Nigerian army has guns and radars that will match the GDF-005 and Skyshield radars, so you have upgrades to modernize, but we bought brand new modern equipment as our Type 90.

Type 90 has a Chinese radar different from the Skyguard or Skyshield.

Nigerian army Type 90 computerized anti-aircraft systems use AF902 radars and are actually more modern and superior to SANDF current GDF-005 and Skyshield radars.

"The AF902 is a fire control system and search/tracking radar designed and manufactured in China by the Company NORINCO. The system is used with the Type 90 35mm anti-aircraft twin-gun or the SHORAD TY-90 or PL-9C missiles.

The AF902 has two tracking systems, target searching radar and an electro-optical passive tracking director. Computerized 3D target imaging is also used.

The electro-optical tracking system uses high-resolution optical/infrared TV for passive tracking in clear weather. The advantage of continuing tracking without emitting radar signals increases its survivability when facing enemy anti-radiation missiles (ARMs).

The AF902 fire control system and radar integrates advanced X-band search radar, C-band search/tracking radar and Ka-band tracking radar with TV/IR tracking system, IFF and various latest electro-optical technologies, thus guarantees superior multi-target engagement capability, accurate and longer range tracking capability against ultra-low level and small-RCS target, short system reaction time, good all-weather engagement capability, ECCM capability and LPI characteristic, quick system positioning and deployment capability, and excellent reliability as well.

AF902 fire control system can also exchange local air picture with superior operational command system through data link and combat cooperatively with other friendly air defence systems.

The X-Band search radar has a maximum detection range of 22 km for fighter aircraft and 9 km for cruise missile. The C-Band search and tracking radar ad maximum detection range of 32 km for fighter aircraft and 13 km for cruise missile, and tracking range of 32 km for fighter aircraft and 13 km for cruise missile. "

http://www.armyrecognition.com/china_artillery_vehicles_and_weapon_systems_uk/af902_type_902_fire_control_tracking_search_radar_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video.html

Nigerian army has far superior air defence systems compared to South African army whose Soweto air defence guns kills it's own army !

Nigeria has a superior combination to give multi-functionality :

1. Shilka SPAAG .....30 units
2. Roland SAM.....16 units with 300 missiles
3. Blowpipe SAM....200 missiles
4. SA-7 SAM....units undisclosed
5. Bofors AAA.....units undisclosed
6. GDF Oerlikon AAA....variant and units undisclosed
7. Type 90 AAA....units undisclosed

Show me how SANDF can match our air defences with your suicide GDF guns and your 1 km max ceiling Starstreak....NA will demolish SANDF

PHOTOS : TYPE 90 AAA CHINA AND NIGERIA.....MODERN NEW GENERATION ANTI-AIRCRAFT WEAPON.
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Patchesagain:
lol

As usual augubugug has to start talking about weapons Nigeria does not have in order to try to compete with the SANDF

agaugust:
I have f.inished you with that post

Patchesagain:
By talking about things you dont have?

Whatever you need to tell yourself buddy, whatever you need to tell yourself...

agaugust:
Cry old man, cry like a little baby boy

Patchesagain:
As usual, when his argument runs out... when augbug cant deal with the content of the topic under discussion... he resorts to throwing childish insults around.

My work here is done

agaugust:
[s]Sure, with that long comment and photos I posted today on Nigerian Type 90 superiority over Southie suicidal GDF 005, your work here is done and you are done for ! Cry sweet Sunday night tears and fill up a cup [/s]!
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agaugust:
Umkhonto land based is NOT in service.
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