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Parents Fatally Whipped Teen Who Wanted To Quit Church by wiegraf: 1:55am On Oct 18, 2015
guardian:



A mother and father whipped their 19-year-old son to death with an electrical cord during an all-night spiritual counseling session triggered by his desire to leave their church, a a New York court has heard.

Lucas Leonard was subjected to a 12-hour ordeal by his parents, sister and fellow church members at the Word of Life Christian church in New Hartford, New York, on Sunday, police and witnesses alleged.

His 17-year-old brother Christopher was also beaten and was admitted to hospital in a serious condition.

The parents, Bruce and Deborah Leonard, are accused of manslaughter. At a court hearing on Friday, a judge ruled there was sufficient evidence to sustain the charges.

Four other church members, including the victims’ 33-year-old sister, Sarah Ferguson, have been charged with assault. Their hearings will be held later. All six defendants have pleaded not guilty.

Church deacon Daniel Irwin testified at the hearing that he saw Lucas bleeding and in apparent agony. “Lucas was rolling himself back and forth on the floor and making a sustained, monotone moaning,” he said.

He said he received a text message after services ended at 8pm on Sunday saying the Leonard family would be part of a counseling session with the church’s pastor, Tiffanie Irwin, his sister. Irwin said he was not told what the session was about and didn’t participate.

Watching through a window at around 10pm, Irwin said, he saw Bruce Leonard hit Lucas up to six times with what appeared to be a belt and hit Christopher. The young men winced, Irwin said, but Lucas did not try to defend himself.


Their mother hit Lucas with a cord out of anger over “things that he had said”, investigator Todd Grant testified. He said he had not asked her what those things were. A neighbor, James Constantine, said Lucas had talked about moving on and had mentioned that he might join the army. Another investigator, Jason Nellis, said the mother told police the group took turns hitting Lucas and holding him down.

Irwin said that around 10am on Monday panicked church members ran up to him and said they thought Lucas was dead. Irwin said he dashed into the church to find Lucas lying motionless on the floor, and Lucas’s father and brother and Irwin’s mother, church spiritual leader Traci Irwin, trying to resuscitate him. Lucas was taken to a hospital where he was pronounced dead.

The defendants include Daniel Irwin’s brother, Joseph Irwin. Asked after the hearing whether Daniel Irwin or any additional relatives could face charges, the Oneida County district attorney Scott McNamara said prosecutors “are looking at everybody that’s involved”. He later said he anticipated more people could be charged. Traci and Tiffanie Irwin have not been charged and have not commented.

Bruce Leonard’s attorney argued during the hearing that prosecutors had not proved the couple intended serious injuries to their son. Deborah Leonard’s lawyer said the mother felt helpless to stop an “intervention” that she had not expected to become so harsh.

The roughly 30-year-old Word of Life church once had perhaps 40 or more members but now counts closer to 20, authorities said.

There are thousands of small, independent Christian churches around the US, many of them following a very strict fundamentalist theology, said David Bromley, a religion professor at Virginia Commonwealth University. Their beliefs can lead to strong resistance when a member wishes to leave, he said.

“If you get into a very conservative group where there is only one way and God’s wrath is about to be unleashed on humanity and we’re the faithful remnant, then leaving the group is a very serious condition, from the point of view of members,” Bromley said.



http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/17/new-york-church-beating-teen-whipped-word-of-life

Curious if anyone knows of any such stories on these shores. Preferably confirmed ones
Re: Parents Fatally Whipped Teen Who Wanted To Quit Church by orisa37: 2:33am On Oct 18, 2015
This kind of mishap can never be in Nigerian Church or Mosgue. Those Parents are animals and should be caged.
Re: Parents Fatally Whipped Teen Who Wanted To Quit Church by basille(m): 2:57am On Oct 18, 2015
I'm not surprised. Religion makes people delusional.

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Re: Parents Fatally Whipped Teen Who Wanted To Quit Church by Nobody: 4:22am On Oct 18, 2015
I thought everyone has freedom of worshipped?
Re: Parents Fatally Whipped Teen Who Wanted To Quit Church by Beesluv: 4:23am On Oct 18, 2015
Hmmm
Re: Parents Fatally Whipped Teen Who Wanted To Quit Church by An2elect2(f): 8:01am On Oct 18, 2015
Away with those cruel parents, they don't know Christ.
Re: Parents Fatally Whipped Teen Who Wanted To Quit Church by hyfr(m): 8:19am On Oct 18, 2015
There's more tto this story, his parents cant actually kill him because of such mere issue. Hope this article isn't trying to paint christianity black.
Re: Parents Fatally Whipped Teen Who Wanted To Quit Church by Tunguy01(m): 8:21am On Oct 18, 2015
This is wot religion can do 2 u, it brings out d extremism in you

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Re: Parents Fatally Whipped Teen Who Wanted To Quit Church by Nobody: 8:49am On Oct 18, 2015
An2elect2:
Away with those cruel parents, they don't know Christ.
Lol.

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Re: Parents Fatally Whipped Teen Who Wanted To Quit Church by Nobody: 8:50am On Oct 18, 2015
hyfr:
There's more tto this story, his parents cant actually kill him because of such mere issue. Hope this article isn't trying to paint christianity black.
A kid is dead, and your major concern is how it reflects on your religion?

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Re: Parents Fatally Whipped Teen Who Wanted To Quit Church by johnydon22(m): 8:55am On Oct 18, 2015
hyfr:
There's more tto this story, his parents cant actually kill him because of such mere issue. Hope this article isn't trying to paint christianity black.


When i was a kid, papa would slap okro commot your eyes if you missed church..

It is wrong to force the young children into submission, it is wrong to indoctrinate a young mind into some zappy belief when he/she doesn't know or have control over their reason.

worst of all threatening them with an imaginary burning place or beating them physically to coerce them into submission is pure [size=20]Abuse[/size]

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Re: Parents Fatally Whipped Teen Who Wanted To Quit Church by johnydon22(m): 8:57am On Oct 18, 2015
sonOfLucifer:
Lol.

The parents doesn't know Johnydon22 rather ...cheesy

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Re: Parents Fatally Whipped Teen Who Wanted To Quit Church by Nobody: 9:20am On Oct 18, 2015
johnydon22:


The parents doesn't know Johnydon22 rather ...cheesy

Hehehee.. Even Jesus hated church... He only went there for weddings, to school the Pharisees and Saducees, and chase the salesmen..

kinda ironic. that's what i do now embarassed.. I might be Jesus2.

Djesus Uncrossed.

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Re: Parents Fatally Whipped Teen Who Wanted To Quit Church by hahn(m): 1:54pm On Oct 18, 2015
A long time ago when my mom was a celestial church of god member, someone saw a vision undecided and I was supposed to receive a bath by a certain stream for certain spiritual reasons. undecided

While my mom was bathing me, there was another group of people and one was tied to a tree while one other dude was whipping the hell out of him. When we asked "our" prophetess, she said that they were whipping "evil spirits" out of him.

This is actually prevalent in cele churches

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Re: Parents Fatally Whipped Teen Who Wanted To Quit Church by TrajansKong: 2:32pm On Oct 18, 2015
hahn:
While my mom was bathing me, there was another group of people and one was tied to a tree while one other dude was whipping the hell out of him. When we asked "our" prophetess, she said that they were whipping "evil spirits" out of him.

As it should be!! The spirits of errancy and disobedience must be destroyed in the flesh with all severity.

Revelation 2:23
And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Only yesterday I sent two of my children to the grave (one I drowned for not prostrating before the cross and the other I burnt alive as a witch). Yes, death was their portion. They deserved nothing less. Try as I could, beatings, starvation, chains, my exertions did naught avail and the demons arose within them all the more. So as I, their father, do submit to the wrath, vengeance and terror of the Most High and live in fear of the eternal tortures of Hell-fire, by the power invested in me and my ministry, I delivered them to the Mercy Seat and eternal judgement. Selah!

Be ye therefore ever vigilant and ready to execute His will.

More shall surely follow...

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Re: Parents Fatally Whipped Teen Who Wanted To Quit Church by hahn(m): 2:38pm On Oct 18, 2015
TrajansKong:


As it should be!! The spirits of errancy and disobedience must be destroyed in the flesh with all severity.

Revelation 2:23
And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Only yesterday I sent two of my children to the grave (one I drowned for not prostrating before the cross and the other I burnt alive as a witch). Yes, death was their portion. They deserved nothing less. Try as I could, beatings, starvation, chains, my exertions did naught avail and the demons arose within them all the more. So as I, their father, do submit to the wrath, vengeance and terror of the Most High and live in fear of the eternal tortures of Hell-fire, by the power invested in me and my ministry, I delivered them to the Mercy Seat and eternal judgement. Selah!

Be ye therefore ever vigilant and ready to execute His will.

More shall surely follow...

Apparently, you are the only true Christian on this forum. People like jeromejnr, malvisguy22, an2select, kingebukasblog, winner01 etc are only pretending as they do not honor god's word as it should be.

Carry on bro. Kirikiri has crowded cells awaiting your arrival grin

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Re: Parents Fatally Whipped Teen Who Wanted To Quit Church by TrajansKong: 2:59pm On Oct 18, 2015
hahn:


Apparently, you are the only true Christian on this forum. People like jeromejnr, malvisguy22, an2select, kingebukasblog, winner01 etc are only pretending as they do not honor god's word as it should be.

Yea, verily, they do but tarry in the foothills of faith.

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Re: Parents Fatally Whipped Teen Who Wanted To Quit Church by Jeromejnr(m): 3:01pm On Oct 18, 2015
hahn:


Apparently, you are the only true Christian on this forum. People like jeromejnr, malvisguy22, an2select, kingebukasblog, winner01 etc are only pretending as they do not honor god's word as it should be.

Carry on bro. Kirikiri has crowded cells awaiting your arrival grin

I could burn you at stake if that is what you want. wink
Re: Parents Fatally Whipped Teen Who Wanted To Quit Church by abduljabbar4(m): 3:27pm On Oct 18, 2015
Cc: lalasticlala
Re: Parents Fatally Whipped Teen Who Wanted To Quit Church by TrajansKong: 4:14pm On Oct 18, 2015
Children are not exempt from Divine retribution.
BEHOLD! THE JUSTICE OF OUR LORD! AFRICA WILL BE CLEANSED!
Exodus 22:18
Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

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Re: Parents Fatally Whipped Teen Who Wanted To Quit Church by TrajansKong: 5:00pm On Oct 18, 2015
An2elect2:
Away with those cruel parents, they don't know Christ.
They are Christ's Handmaidens. Winnowing souls to be harrowed.

As am I.

Here disciplining a neighbour's child (that's me on the left!). His sin was disobedience and backchatting to his parents whilst not seeking forgiveness.

He died.

MATTHEW 15:4

"For God commanded, saying, HONOR THY FATHER AND MOTHER: and, HE THAT CURSETH FATHER OR MOTHER, LET HIM DIE THE DEATH."

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Re: Parents Fatally Whipped Teen Who Wanted To Quit Church by Jeromejnr(m): 5:12pm On Oct 18, 2015
Na wa o!
Re: Parents Fatally Whipped Teen Who Wanted To Quit Church by TrajansKong: 5:49pm On Oct 18, 2015
Jeromejnr:
Na wa o!
Mock not!
The Bible teaches that death, floggings, stoning, burning and rape are just and meet punishments for the erring child.
Do you doubt the truth of Holy Writ?

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Re: Parents Fatally Whipped Teen Who Wanted To Quit Church by Jeromejnr(m): 5:51pm On Oct 18, 2015
TrajansKong:

Mock not!
The Bible teaches that death, floggings, stoning, burning and rape are just and meet punishments for the erring child.
Do you doubt the truth of Holy Writ?

Is rape part of the punishment? shocked
Re: Parents Fatally Whipped Teen Who Wanted To Quit Church by TrajansKong: 6:07pm On Oct 18, 2015
Jeromejnr:


Is rape part of the punishment? shocked
As it was seen to be a fitting punishment for the women of Midian, Canaan, Amelek and many, many other enemies of God - why would it not serve to crush his foes today?
Is your judgement better than God's??

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Re: Parents Fatally Whipped Teen Who Wanted To Quit Church by winner01(m): 6:12pm On Oct 18, 2015
Christians {People like Christ}.
God in flesh among men to show us how to be perfect.
He said "Be ye perfect"
We strive towards perfection daily, we want to be like Christ and later reign with Christ. Thats the essence of Christianity.

Even the world teaches that morality is subjective but our standard is Christ, our Guide, our Lamp.
We analyse issues based on our standard, a perfect standard. Anything short of that standard is open for the world to see.

Who shall then separate us from the love of Christ?
Imperfect people?, God-haters?, Everchanging science?, Vain philosophy?, Demonic doctrines?, Wolves disguised as preachers? Who exactly.undecided

That Love, the Agape love is our make up, our Lords command. Our God is Love.
Hallelujah!!!.

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Re: Parents Fatally Whipped Teen Who Wanted To Quit Church by Jeromejnr(m): 6:23pm On Oct 18, 2015
TrajansKong:

As it was seen to be a fitting punishment for the women of Midian, Canaan, Amelek and many, many other enemies of God - why would it not serve to crush his foes today?
Is your judgement better than God's??

Nay! My friend.

For He is a righteous judge. Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble His children.
Re: Parents Fatally Whipped Teen Who Wanted To Quit Church by wiegraf: 6:28pm On Oct 18, 2015
hahn:
A long time ago when my mom was a celestial church of god member, someone saw a vision undecided and I was supposed to receive a bath by a certain stream for certain spiritual reasons. undecided

While my mom was bathing me, there was another group of people and one was tied to a tree while one other dude was whipping the hell out of him. When we asked "our" prophetess, she said that they were whipping "evil spirits" out of him.

This is actually prevalent in cele churches

I suspect quite a lot of $hit happens. We just never hear about it because media and society aren't exactly interested. Daddy oyedapo slapping a teen and getting cheered. Elsewhere, we are throwing kids out of homes because they are winchies, no?

Let's not even get into Islam....

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Re: Parents Fatally Whipped Teen Who Wanted To Quit Church by wiegraf: 6:31pm On Oct 18, 2015
TrajansKong:


As it should be!! The spirits of errancy and disobedience must be destroyed in the flesh with all severity.

Revelation 2:23
And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Only yesterday I sent two of my children to the grave (one I drowned for not prostrating before the cross and the other I burnt alive as a witch). Yes, death was their portion. They deserved nothing less. Try as I could, beatings, starvation, chains, my exertions did naught avail and the demons arose within them all the more. So as I, their father, do submit to the wrath, vengeance and terror of the Most High and live in fear of the eternal tortures of Hell-fire, by the power invested in me and my ministry, I delivered them to the Mercy Seat and eternal judgement. Selah!

Be ye therefore ever vigilant and ready to execute His will.

More shall surely follow...

It's almost like people don't read their bibles...

Carry on with the Lord's good works ser

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Re: Parents Fatally Whipped Teen Who Wanted To Quit Church by TrajansKong: 6:40pm On Oct 18, 2015
wiegraf:


It's almost like people don't read their bibles...
Indeed!! Yet they call themselves Christians!!

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Re: Parents Fatally Whipped Teen Who Wanted To Quit Church by TrajansKong: 6:52pm On Oct 18, 2015
Jeromejnr:


Nay! My friend.

For He is a righteous judge. Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble His children.
Then we agree!

You have read your Bible well!

The Lord is righteous and in his righteousness He has ordained that rape and mass-rape shall be an instrument of his vengeance against those who neither love Him nor submit to the authority of his people and His prophets.

The daughters and virgins of the ungodly shall be ravished and the male children put to death by the edge of the sword. To judge those who kill children in punishment is to judge God. Who are we so to do??

Our God is a god of vengeance Selah!

Re: Parents Fatally Whipped Teen Who Wanted To Quit Church by TrajansKong: 7:12pm On Oct 18, 2015
God's Word made Law as practised by white Christian American men in 1641. They knew right from wrong as commanded by the Most High, Yahweh!

Laws of New England in 1641 - Of Crimes such as deserve capital punishment, or cutting off from a man's people, whether by death or banishment.

16. Rebellious children, whether they continue in riot or drunkenness, after due correction from their parents, or whether they curse or smite their parents, to be put to death. Ex. 21:15, 17. Lev. 20:9.

Shame on Nigeria and upon all who turn their backs on the true meaning and appropriate use of child slaughter as outlined in scripture.

The Bible tells us how God shall judge such as these...

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