₦airaland Forum

DictatorZAR:
Am I expected to respond to this nollywood bullshiiiit. Excuses, excuses for diplomatic irrelevance.

Patchesagain:
Neither was the G6 in 1987.

Why dont you ask the Cubans about whether or not we deploy weapons that Denel is still developing?

Why not ask the UNITA commanders who had to abandon their HQ? Why not ask all the orphans Juliet troop made?

agaugust:
The argument is not about G6 artillery, we are talking about complex missile and radar systems.

Umkhonto land based is NOT in service with SANDF....prove to us it has been ordered and entered service.

May I also start quoting Akash SAM for Nigeria because we are on the line to buy it?

http://twocircles.net/2012may17/india_help_boost_nigerias_air_defences.html#.ViPbIX6rTIU

agaugust:
The argument is not about G6 artillery, we are talking about complex missile and radar systems.

Umkhonto land based is NOT in service with SANDF....prove to us it has been ordered and entered service.

May I also start quoting Akash SAM for Nigeria because we are on the line to buy it?

http://twocircles.net/2012may17/india_help_boost_nigerias_air_defences.html#.ViPbIX6rTIU

Patchesagain:
If Denel has it, and SANDF needs it... they get it.

No you may not, and furthermore, that article does not say anything about the Akash.

agaugust:
Sure tells you Nigeria too is buying new air defence stuff, not only you.

DENEL land based is NOT in service with SANDF, even the Mokopa you made, you could not buy one piece.

Weapons not in service are not recognized on this forum, we deal with reality not dreams, anybody can dream, and projects/plans can be cancelled like SAAF AM400 aircraft.

When your army inducts land based Umkhonto, come back talk to us.

agaugust:
Sure tells you Nigeria too is buying new air defence stuff, not only you.

DENEL land based is NOT in service with SANDF, even the Mokopa you made, you could not buy one piece.

Weapons not in service are not recognized on this forum, we deal with reality not dreams, anybody can dream, and projects/plans can be cancelled like SAAF AM400 aircraft.

When your army inducts land based Umkhonto, come back talk to us.

Patchesagain:
1. It does not say what... and its from 2012

2. G6 was not in service when it was deployed to battle.

3. Rich coming from the man who is constantly inventing new things for the Nigerian arsenal. If Denel has it, the SANDF has acess to it - this is fact

DictatorZAR:
Come back to us when your juju magic makes this wish list comes true.

1)Tucano
2)Su-24
3)Su-30MKI
4)Apache
5)Scorpion jets
6)J-17 Thunder
7)Akash

agaugust:
1. Same way the last time your Umkhonto was tested was 2013 and still far from 80 km plan, it only reached 20 km.

2. I don't care about G6 story of 1987.

3. Bragging about 80 km Umkhonto missile that you do NOT have....one single prototype built for testing, lack of funds since 2013.

agaugust:
How about your own Southie wish list hanging dry since 2012 ?

1. Project Biro OPV
2. Project Biro MPV
2. AM 400 strategic transport aircraft
3. Torgos missile
4. Mokopa missile not ordered
5. Heavyweight torpedo
6. Missile armed Seeker drone
7. ARHLAC light combat aircraft


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Patchesagain:
1. Moving as planned
2. Moving as planned
3. Cancelled - no one is talking anout it
4. Targos was never planned to enter service
5. And so? Denel has it - we have it
6. Moving as planned
7. Ordered
8. SANDF was never going to order ARHLAC

agaugust:
You think only you have excuses to explain why your wish list has not materialized ? I could explain away our own too. Equation balanced

Patchesagain:
The reality is that our list is in the PROCESS of materializing

Yours are not, and never were.

Also, no South Africans on this forum have been acting like we actually have it - unlike you and your famous "Nigerian T80 will crush Olifant" argument

Patchesagain:
[size=25pt]SANDF get another R15 billion ($150 million) from the minibudget and another R6 Billion for border security alone!

A total of around R21 billion ($210 million)

Slowly but surely!! [/size]

jln115:
R21 billion = $ 2 billion mate !! Which would mean the entire budget of the SANDF must have increased by 50%, which doesn't sound entirely plausible given the current economic situation!!

But hey! I could be wrong!!

Patchesagain:
1. Who cares what color it is? US military uses ONLY ONE CAMMO, just like the SANDF

2. When you take photos of people you make sure you can see them.... post a citation that SANDF cammo failes in jungle

Patchesagain:
Woops!!

Let me dig up the source

Yeah dude just check the mini-budget, they said Defence and Security would go up by R30billion and that 40% of that was going to SAPS

Patchesagain:
If Denel has it, and SANDF needs it... they get it.

agaugust:
Big lie, SANDF pays for DENEL products, or your country runs a business corporation like a charity NGO ?

Show proof that DENEL built more than one launcher of that land based Umkhonto, all we ever see is that same experimental unit from 2013, there is even no proof that there is any 20 km missile in stock after firing the test rounds.

What if SANDF refuses to order it like SAAF refused to order Mokopa?

No military site ranks national armed forces based on the weapons under experiment in their defence industry, your military capability is judged by what equipment are in service in your armoury, or else how does the world rank USA, Russia and China who are always doing R & D and testing new weapons every day?

You are ranked based on what you have ready for war.

Nigeria too has many weapons locally made, tested, but not yet in service, not much disclosed, so how do we factor those in?

agaugust:
Sure you are referring to SAAF Super Lynx search-rescue helicopters with ZERO ASW capabilities.

South Africa has NEVER owned an ASW helicopter in your 300 year national history.
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jln115:
R21 billion = $ 2 billion mate !! Which would mean the entire budget of the SANDF must have increased by 50%, which doesn't sound entirely plausible given the current economic situation!!

But hey! I could be wrong!!

agaugust:
Next time get your shiiit together before you come here and post bullshiiit

agaugust:
Big lie, SANDF pays for DENEL products, or your country runs a business corporation like a charity NGO ?

Show proof that DENEL built more than one launcher of that land based Umkhonto, all we ever see is that same experimental unit from 2013, there is even no proof that there is any 20 km missile in stock after firing the test rounds.

What if SANDF refuses to order it like SAAF refused to order Mokopa?

No military site ranks national armed forces based on the weapons under experiment in their defence industry, your military capability is judged by what equipment are in service in your armoury, or else how does the world rank USA, Russia and China who are always doing R & D and testing new weapons every day?

You are ranked based on what you have ready for war.

Nigeria too has many weapons locally made, tested, but not yet in service, not much disclosed, so how do we factor those in?

agaugust:
Nigeria too has many weapons locally made, tested, but not yet in service, not much disclosed, so how do we factor those in?

Patchesagain:
You call that collection of trash weapons?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Yes, please, factor in your model rockets and sh1tty robots

DictatorZAR:
You and your amateur garage inventions.

Nigeria produces 0% high tech weapons. I can create garage rockets better then that shiiiit you posted.

Patchesagain:
1. Yes, in peace time SANDF pays. But in war? Well, just look at Juliet Troop.

2. I dont have to, and yes, missiles are under constant manufacture.

3. Why would we? It falls under GBADS which is a fully funded project.

G6 was not ready for war, yet it was deployed in Angola. Raptor H2 was not ready for war, yet it was deployed in Angola.

The historical precedent is set - if Denel has it, and SANDF needs it then SANDF gets it