₦airaland Forum

missgray:
Honestly, am quite amazed at the work you are doing here. These people wouldn't relent when it comes to that city. We need more of you here to shut them up. Meanwhile keep on doing the good work

Truckpusher:
Gerarahia here
you gimme work?

missgray:
I have work for you

Truckpusher:
Of course tomorrow the Hausa/Fulani political gladiators and their foot soldiers would tell us how much they loved and respected Jonathan.


Abeg let bygones be bygones - Your sugar coated lies won't change history.All we are asking is simple - Speak the truth the way it is ,of course the truth is always an uncomfortable thing to say.

''Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you mad'' - Aldous Huxley

Truckpusher:
You have no idea that the great Roman empire fell under the sword of a ragtag Germanic tribal warlords.After being battered left right and center for ages.

The Oba of Benin fought and lost and was exiled same as Uthman Dan fodio empire and even Oyo empire - They all fought but their time was due and they fell.

Truckpusher:
Be careful with these ones that preaches to you about oneness - They won't hesitate in decapitating your head if they have time,chance and place.

Be careful with these three major tribes of this country - They are green snakes ,in a green grass ,they will bite with no warning.

They did it to Isaac Adaka Boro ,they did it to Kenule Saro Wiwa and they did it to Chukwuma Kaduna Nzeogu ,Prof Claude Ake ,Obi Wali et al .....The Fulani/Hausa, Yoruba and Igbo man are devil's incarnate in this country be very very warned.

Truckpusher:
A democratic system without a figure head in an ancient civilization would falter and fall like pack of cards in the face of any serious threat be it famine ,war or plague - That was not an empire my friend ,it's a primitive harmonious living of a people that upholds one and the same culture over a long period of time over a particular place.

Come for lectures and stop mistaken gladiators for wrestling bouts in the village square.

discusant:
You want south south out of Nigeria, but because you are afraid of Igbo dominating you, you don't want Biafra.

But it's never gonna be possible for south south to win itself in peace or in battle out of Nigeria.

Your dreams are most unrealistic.
You are most saucy. No serene person can chain you with superior arguments unless a northerner who comes with weapons and tells your shut up, all you have is collective because of one of Nigeria, he dominates what ever you have, and makes laws and constitution for you to obey so that it shall be offensive for you to protest.


Go home you and HopeatHand, Biafra doesn't need the yes from people like you to materialize.
Above all, you are not even educated enough to know your history, talk less telling a whole Igbo tribe where Igbo land begins and ends.
Your only history you know is the divide-and-rule by Northern and Southwest that Igbo enslaved you, shall enslave you in Biafra. That's the only thing that can pass through your head.

pazienza:
And yet Igbo societies offered more opposition to colonialism than the mushroom empire called Bini empire you are suffering hard to link with.

Igbo ukwu and Nri arts were also more sophisticated than any your mushroom empires that crumbled easily before the Caucasians.

What is civilization without contribution to human knowledge base? What did your mushroom empires contributed to human knowledge base? You call a bunch of black savages running around the bushes of tropical west Africa looking for weaker African groups to subjugate empire and civilization? Empire of mudhouses. Lol!

I now see and know why your inferiority plaqued Eze Ogba will be rolling before Oba Bini and even went ahead to change the title of his throne from Eze to Oba, he simply was incapable of independent thought process.

discusant:
You want south south out of Nigeria, but because you are afraid of Igbo dominating you, you don't want Biafra.

But it's never gonna be possible for south south to win itself in peace or in battle out of Nigeria.

Your dreams are most unrealistic.
You are most saucy. No serene person can chain you with superior arguments unless a northerner who comes with weapons and tells your shut up, all you have is collective because of one of Nigeria, he dominates what ever you have, and makes laws and constitution for you to obey so that it shall be offensive for you to protest.


Go home you and HopeatHand, Biafra doesn't need the yes from people like you to materialize.
Above all, you are not even educated enough to know your history, talk less telling a whole Igbo tribe where Igbo land begins and ends.
Your only history you know is the divide-and-rule by Northern and Southwest that Igbo enslaved you, shall enslave you in Biafra. That's the only thing that can pass through your head.

Eastlink:
No matter how far I run from being labelled an Igbo, the closer I get to becoming one. I am Igbo and that is my choice. I respect your decisions Truck Pusher and must commend you for your maturity on this forum. You're a true Niger-Deltan. You raised some valid points, some of which Pazienza is yet to answer. Many of us wish to share a common country with the SE Igbo, a Biafra of many ethnicities built on mutual understanding. But even at that, we still don't want to be caged inside a future country that won't respect our decisions. Especially the decisions of the minorities amongst us. The South East Igbo rather than be emotional whenever issues that concerns the minorities are raised, should sit down put themselves into our shoes. Let us sit down in a round table and chat the course of what the new country should look like.

Curlieweed:
I always find these denigrations of our history amusing because they're borne out of crass ignorance.

The archeological evidence indicates the following;

a) Earliest evidence of bronze smithing in West Africa.

b) One of the earliest evidence of iron smelting of the planet (Opi, Obimo and Lejja)

c) Earliest surviving textiles fragments in the West African forest region.

What more could our ancestors have achieved!

It's interesting to note the that the democratic, humanistic, participatory political system so derided by detractors is exactly where the rest of the planet is going.

Curlieweed:
I always find these denigrations of our history amusing because they're borne out of crass ignorance.

The archeological evidence indicates the following;

a) Earliest evidence of bronze smithing in West Africa.

b) One of the earliest evidence of iron smelting of the planet (Opi, Obimo and Lejja)

c) Earliest surviving textiles fragments in the West African forest region.

What more could our ancestors have achieved!

It's interesting to note the that the democratic, humanistic, participatory political system so derided by detractors is exactly where the rest of the planet is going.

Truckpusher:
Spot on bro - The approach would only end whatever gain the people have made over time with all the marginalization and and after losing a civil war 40 yrs ago you want to start another one with one small boy that hasn't seen death face to face.

Let Nnamdi Kanu come home and I will sell everything I have and join his cause - You can't stay in the UK and want to set the forest on fire where will the animals run to ? Never again.

Abagworo:
While writing all your half knowledge no Igbo group in Rivers State had a centralised Government. Oba of Ogbaland was not in Ogba culture and started recently. If we must write the truth only Delta Igbos and Oguta/Egbeme/Onitsha inside Igboland had Benin styled kingship. Other Kingships existed like Ezearo, Ezenri, Enachioken etc. but none was Benin based. They all developed according to their challenges.

Deltagiant:
Very good...beffiting of the leeches and the hangers-on who would never mind their business.

This is strictly an issue between peoples of related culture, language and tradition.

Non Igbos should leave the Igbos and their Igboid groups to sort out their differences.

What is all this keeping vigil on a matter that does not concern you people?

Eastlink:
No matter how far I run from being labelled an Igbo, the closer I get to becoming one. I am Igbo and that is my choice. I respect your decisions Truck Pusher and must commend you for your maturity on this forum. You're a true Niger-Deltan. You raised some valid points, some of which Pazienza is yet to answer. Many of us wish to share a common country with the SE Igbo, a Biafra of many ethnicities built on mutual understanding. But even at that, we still don't want to be caged inside a future country that won't respect our decisions. Especially the decisions of the minorities amongst us. The South East Igbo rather than be emotional whenever issues that concerns the minorities are raised, should sit down put themselves into our shoes. Let us sit down in a round table and chat the course of what the new country should look like. A guy called Carnegianfan has given me a glimpse of the how a confederated Biafra would look like. But I'm still not satisfied, especially as Nnamdi Kanu is still running the show. The Biafra movement needs a revolutionary and charismatic leaders that can understand the fears of the minorities, and plan the future country without it sliding along a superiority and inferiority line - akin to a master servant relationship.

Truckpusher:
Na Igbos send you ? we no dey womanize untop here.

Oya run go romance section dey wait for me there - Pull ya pant and bra I dey come.

Truckpusher:
He is doing it to denigrate the Old Empire and as such get back to me but he forgot one thing - He's a part of the same black civilization he wants to mock thereby mocking himself and that gives you the mindset of an average Igbo man - I know them like the back of my hand.Believe me

Truckpusher:
Of course we bear the same name and share a lot in culture but my identity shouldn't be swallowed under any circumstances and this is where I stand.If they can't respect that then lemme remain in my original slavery.


What is the essence of leaving slavery to enter another round of slavery? - It would be better for the Niger Delta people to secede on their own and pay the heavy price at least we died for something then they can have the Niger Delta all themselves than leave another form of slavery only to join another one with our eyes open - That is totally unacceptable.

Until the Igbos stop classifying other minority group of the Niger Delta as Rivers Igbo and Delta Igbo ,no deal and to the death with one Nigeria after all we have paid with our environment what else can we not pay with?

Shymm3x:
Anyway, there's always a silver-lining even in the worst things - just as a dead clock is right twice a day. Kanu, despite his hateful, distasteful, and comical shenanigans - he has been able to create an international awareness for Biafra again. And the world is watching. So, it's time for educated South South and Igbo folks to form a separate group, to probably run parallel to what he's doing, with peace and diplomacy, as the nucleus of their struggle. While keeping secession as the ultimate prize - but autonomy as a consolation if they can't attain the ultimate prize via negotiation.

Once they do that - other folks are going to start demanding the same thing. Outright secession, without bloodshed looks like an impossible task right now, but they can always get autonomy, if they play their cards right.

The zoo has to either collapse or be restructured with autonomy - it's 2015 and the zoo will never work the way it's.

Eastlink:
I know a lot of Ogba dudes who hate to be called Igbos. I also know of many who are proud Igbos. Now, how do you now classify those who want to be attached with the mainstream Igbos. This is a big dilemma you folks are faced with. But, for us in Egbema we know who we are, some want to hide from being called Igbos, yet deep down in their heart they cannot run from it.
I also understand the pains of the mainstream Igbos. They hate to see someone with the same name with them, similar language and culture deny his identity. A balkanized Igboland is something they hate to see.

Shymm3x:
Anyway, there's always a silver-lining even in the worst things - just as a dead clock is right twice a day. Kanu, despite his hateful, distasteful, and comical shenanigans - he has been able to create an international awareness for Biafra again. And the world is watching. So, it's time for educated South South and Igbo folks to form a separate group, to probably run parallel to what he's doing, with peace and diplomacy, as the nucleus of their struggle. While keeping secession as the ultimate prize - but autonomy as a consolation if they can't attain the ultimate prize via negotiation.

Once they do that - other folks are going to start demanding the same thing. Outright secession, without bloodshed looks like an impossible task right now, but they can always get autonomy, if they play their cards right.

The zoo has to either collapse or be restructured with autonomy - it's 2015 and the zoo will never work the way it's.

Afam4eva:
@Truckpusher
I have followed your argument on this thread and I totally agree that people should be left to be who they say they are and not who others say they are irrespective of their History. But my only problem is when in a bid to convince Igbos that they're not one of them, they start coming up with all sorts of fictional stories of how they migrated from Abeokuta and started speaking Igbo because their neighbour, Chinedu from Onitsha put a gun to their head and forced them to. There's no need for all of this. We all have to accept the current realities and see how far we can move from here. Just like you, I also get pissed off at the annoying and courteous nature of some Igbos on this forim. It's just annoying and this behavior is the reason why any sensible group will not align with Igbos for anything whether it's an alliance in Nigeria or outside It. We have to learn to be more diplomatic. That's why the Hausas and Yorubas are winning.

QuotaSystem:
I thought the Niger Deltans wanted Biafra too...

...clearly Wike and Riverians do not...and their government didn't waste any time to give us the benefit of doubt

It is getting increasingly clear that this Biafra movement is located only on web browsers and in the hungry hallucinations of touts and street urchins

pazienza:
You lots never cease to amaze me. You speak like SE is totally homogeneous.

You forget quickly why Ndiigbo never developed an empire in the past, we all cherish our distinctions, no one want to give up a part of his Igbo group to be whole with another Igbo group.

Just as Ndoni craves for autonomy, so do Nkanu, Ngwa, Ndoki, Izzi, Ezza, etc.

The very idea of the whole SE uniting to Lord it over any other group is but a propaganda, seeing as right within the SE. each Igbo group also crave for autonomy.

Biafra will be divided in such a way as to reflect that aspect of who we are, ie our innate need to remain distinct, autonomous, and having niches of our own, within the Igbo or Biafran nation as the case may be.

Biafra 1.0 was divided into provinces that reflected this very Biafran characteristic.

Eastlink:
. A balkanized Igboland is something they hate to see.

Eastlink:
This is what I crave for. A peoples republic of Biafra that is based on mutual understanding for one another. A Biafra practicing fiscal federalism, semi-autonomous provinces or regions by people with shared beliefs. I myself crave for the day my folks in Rivers state would be reunited with our kinsmen in Imo state. Maybe under an Orashi province with the Ohajis, Ogutans and Ndonis.

missgray:
If only you know

First of all, I don't relate with issues that doesn't concern me. I've been a victim of people like you and when am in my right mood I don't hesitate to put you right were you belong.

You've got to understand that when it comes to sensitive issues and facts like this you cant win when you stumble upon the right person.

People like you even make a truckpusher very proud of their hometown despite their choice of jobs . The attention is just pathetic and sickening , it makes us think you cant survive without the city.

Eastlink:
This is what I crave for. A peoples republic of Biafra that is based on mutual understanding for one another. A Biafra practicing fiscal federalism, semi-autonomous provinces or regions by people with shared beliefs. I myself crave for the day my folks in Rivers state would be reunited with our kinsmen in Imo state. Maybe under an Orashi province with the Ohajis, Ogutans and Ndonis.

Truckpusher:
Trust me ,ya'll aren't different from the Hausa/Fulanis and the Yorubas , ya'll have expansionist tendencies and it is our duty to put our head where we can only lose our resources and not lose our resources ,our identity and our land. This is called thinking smart. because resources come and go but once your land is annexed the ultimate answer would become genocide.We wish you well in Biafra and we want our country if push comes to shove abi unity na by force again?