Chinaimporter:

Now i see where your handsomness and classiness come from. A typical yoruba man can never be like you that is why you see the only yorubas good enough to have national appeal are those with igbo blood like you and segun arinze.
I know you hate your father for that singular drop of yoruba blood he gave you that almost totally contaminated you.
Thank God you have purified your blood by further diluting it with the blood of our brothers from akwa ibom and calabar.....the greatest and truest friends of the igbos and our eternal allies.May God give you the ability to shed all yoruboid thing from your blood

Waoh! Yet this "bad" yoruboid blood has many achievements "good" igbo blood only dream of

My name is Olasupo, it's not not even a popular Yoruba name, but I cannot change it for anything in this world - I have English and other names, but no name makes more meaning to me than my Yoruba name, all my children's first name must be a Yoruba name

I'm not condemning Desmond Eliot, I understand where he's coming from, he's not totally a Yoruba - I'm 100% Yoruba and proud.

bigfrancis21:


Nna I bukwa okpo. 'Oba' is originally an Edo world. Early Yoruba kings were NEVER referred to as 'Oba' but rather by their respective territorial titles such as alaafin of xyz, ajuwale of abc etc. We begin to see the usage of 'oba' appear in Yorubaland after the Binis conquered Lagos and installed an Oba in Lagos. Please don't even let me school you on your own history. You should be ashamed of yourself. I guess bokohalal, a proud Edo man, will school you better.

i'm glad Edo people are still alive today especially d binis . Oba is a yoruba wordand we conquered d Binis uptill today. d binis will tell u they came frm Ife

bigfrancis21:


Bia madam okwute obele, some Yoruba-speaking people are having serious identity crisis. Abeg read the article below. Na Yoruba man call am identity crisis of em Yoruba brothers, no be me o.



http://saharareporters.com/2010/12/08/politics-saraki-and-identity-crisis-northern-yoruba-nigeria

I don't know how else to say this without sounding caustic, but seriously I'm convinced you're hopelessly retar.ded. I just schooled your punk a$$ about the real crux of the subject matter, yet you keep harping on this same shyt. Ilorins don't and have never denied their Yoruba roots, even if they're intermixed with the Fulanis, they have never come out collectively as a people/group to repudiate/deny their Yoruba roots as many Igbos clearly have. I understand that mysery loves company but seriously you are flogging a dead horse coz our race isn't as loathed as yours, not even close. And I really don't give a flying Bleep about who wrote the article -- for all I know it could even be one of your mischevious and cowardly igbo clansmen spewing your usual trash. Bottomline is that you all are the ones with the identity crises issues. #FACT.

Onijagidijagan:

i'm glad Edo people are still alive today especially d binis . Oba is a yoruba wordand we conquered d Binis uptill today. d binis will tell u they came frm Ife

Lies made up to feel good about themselves. The very same Yorubas that till today cannot say where Oduduwa came from. Even in our modern age and time of enlightement they still peddle lies around that he fell from the the sky. Science has proven that it is physically impossible for anyone to fall from anywhere, not especially from the sky.

Meanwhile, the Binis say that Oduduwa was their very own son, Ekaladerhan, which the Yorubas corrupted to Oduduwa, who escaped Bini land and wandered into ancient Yoruba territory, the Yorubas seeing him and who love to ascribe any little physical phenomenon to some celestial wonder, welcomed him and regarded him as a god. Nowadays, they now claim he fell from the sky.

The same Binis were to conquer Lagos, Yoruba land, centuries after to reign over Yorubas.

For what I know, the Yoruba mythological creation story is incomplete. The Bini version is complete and logically makes more sense. I prefer the Bini version of Oduduwa to that of the Yorubas.

silverdam:
You removed fine name like Olusola from your name because of one stupid Nollywood movies and Igbo producers. Why is he so fake like many of us? But now that you want to join Politics and need the help of the people, you quickly remember Olusola.


Why would a sane person replace Olusola with Desmond? I'm proud to have a yoruba name "Oluwatosin" I will never substitute it for anything in this world, I'm proud of my culture and where I'm coming from. Why should I be ashamed of my name because of Igbo producers? Too bad!!!

Why didn't u used ur name as ur moniker?

OkutaNla:


I don't know how else to say this without sounding caustic, but seriously I'm convinced you're hopelessly retar.ded. I just schooled your punk a$$ about the real crux of the subject matter, yet you keep harping on this same shyt. Ilorins don't and have never denied their Yoruba roots, even if they're intermixed with the Fulanis, they have never come out collectively as a people/group to repudiate/deny their Yoruba roots as many Igbos clearly have. I understand that mysery loves company but seriously you are flogging a dead horse coz our race isn't as loathed as yours, not even close. And I really don't give a flying Bleep about who wrote the article -- for all I know it could even be one of your mischevious and cowardly igbo clansmen spewing your usual trash. Bottomline is that you all are the ones with the identity crises issues. #FACT.

Hian, madam agnes is still arguing. Yorubas are denying their ancestry, aptly captured not by an Igbo man but a Yoruba man in the article below and you are still arguing.

The Politics Of Saraki And The Identity Crisis Of Northern Yoruba In Nigeria
BY ABDUL-RAHOOF ADEBAYO BELLO

It is disturbing to note that for disclaimer over presidential slot in the north are the Yoruba ethnic groups from Kwara and Kogi States even if they can speak Hausa, the northern lingua franca. Perhaps, to avoid such embarrassment in the league of northern traditional rulers, the Emir of Ilorin, Alh. Ibrahim Sulu-Gambari quickly deleted his lovely Yoruba middle name ‘Kolapo’ shortly after he ascended the throne. Although, this was a contradiction to his forbearers’ reverend and veneration for their Yoruba name and cognomen such as Aiyelabowo, Alabi Opo, Oroganloye, Oba digi Aye, Momolosho, etc. In the same wavelength is our brother - a press dynamo from Ilorin, Modibbo ‘Lanre’ Kawu who also made a public renunciation of his popular Yoruba middle name. However, a group called Arewa Integrity Forum under the leadership of one Abdulmuminu Adamu fired the first salvo of negative sentiments to Bukola Saraki’s presidential aspiration.

http://saharareporters.com/2010/12/08/politics-saraki-and-identity-crisis-northern-yoruba-nigeria

Am proud ot my name SAHEED

bigfrancis21:


As if we don't know that Saraki has consistently denied being Yoruba? How about the Yoruba-speaking ones in Kogi and Kwara states that deny being Yorubas?

Saraki Denies Being Yoruba

https://www.nairaland.com/311148/saraki-fulani-mali

Yorubas are not left out in the identity crisis game. Several Yoruba-speaking groups have consistently denied being Yoruba. The Ijebus deny being Yorubas. Egun people in Lagos state are not Yoruba. I had a Nigerian classmate, Ayo, here in the US currently working with Cisco who graduated last spring that told me he is not Yoruba but from 'one tribe like that in Ondo' state. So guy abeg calm down jor. Some Yoruba-speaking people do not like being called Yoruba.

Smh. Bukola Saraki has the right to keep his ancestry alive. . He has fulani ancestry so what? At least he knows where his family came from and doesn't claim middle-east.
Ijebu don't deny being yoruba, the current Awujale only claims his blood line is from sudan....nobody knows where he got that from cus known before ever doubted Ile-Ife. Btw Ijebu has been in existence before Awujale title
And somehow this Ijebu - Sudan claim only exist on mischievous Internet articles

Egun might not be yoruba linguistically but socio- culturally they are... even today they speak yoruba as well as Egun

There are Ijaw tribes in Ondo state so what are you saying?

OkutaNla:


Guy, you can shove your truth up your arse. Me sef I have spend enough time with your Igbo-denying kinsmen so I know what I'm saying. A buddy of mine who you'll consider a "Delta Igbo" chum is always quick to being igbo -- makes me wonder why you all are so loathed by your own kindred. Infact he addresses Igbos as "those wicked Igbo people". God punish me if I'm lying. And he's always retelling how even the present Dein of Agbor (who changed his title from 'Obi' to 'Dein', ironically even though he has an igbo middlename he would rather trace his roots to Benin than Igboland. Smh. I still wonder why they loathe associating with you lot) had to be smuggled to England by the Oba of Benin to avoid being murdered by Igbo. You are nothing but a lying hypocrite trying to sound civilized, talking about you don't do tribalism. Omo, you must think you're talking to one of your dumb fellows.

O Yes denial still happens in Ikaland but they still know they are Igbo. You can analyse Oliseh's denial statement even when he was not asked. It tells a lot. For the Dein his father's name was Chukwuma a very popular Igbo name among the Aniomas. He might want to cover up for his personal reasons but he knows the truth. His own name is Ikechukwu. Mark this: the day Ndigbo get their sovereignty or a strong political power you will hear a lot of stories that can crash a website. Lol

bigfrancis21:


Lol. I am not even going to respond to you clown or the piece of trash you have written up there. You follow me around all day quoting my posts with relish. My posts keep you alive on nairaland. Please have a field day digesting the article below. And when you've finished digesting it, feel free to regurgitate what you have learned and spread the word around to other ignorant fellas.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/26/magazine/nollywood-movies.html

Wtf! I follow you around? I Open a thread that interests me and quote a post with lots of errors to correct and you say I'm following you
Are you this lonely?

macof:


Smh. Bukola Saraki has the right to keep his ancestry alive. . He has fulani ancestry so what? At least he knows where his family came from and doesn't claim middle-east.
Ijebu don't deny being yoruba, the current Awujale only claims his blood line is from sudan....nobody knows where he got that from cus known before ever doubted Ile-Ife. Btw Ijebu has been in existence before Awujale title
And somehow this Ijebu - Sudan claim only exist on mischievous Internet articles

Egun might not be yoruba linguistically but socio- culturally they are... even today they speak yoruba as well as Egun

There are Ijaw tribes in Ondo state so what are you saying?

You're wasting your time on that sheetbo thing.

Other than being able to write English, he is completely devoid of substance.

Saying Ijebu deny being Yoruba.

One Nigeria.

You qualified to be president my dear, since you belong to all six geo political zone in Nigeria. contest and i will vote for you.

bigfrancis21:


It cannot be called Biafran players because officially Biafra as a name does not exist. If Igbos were also known as Biafrans, not in reference to a country but as an alternative name, then it could be plausible to refer to Nigeria's football team as being mostly a Biafran team (in terms of an alternative name to 'Igbo' and not as a country).

The Igbos, being accommodating of other tribes, accommodated talented non-Igbo actors and actresses and we all know that there are several non-Igbo actors, directors and actresses amongst the greater number of Igbo actors, actresses, producers and directors but that does not take away the fact that it is majorly and Igbo industry manned and run by Igbos in and out.

Pls mention a few names of these igbos running the industry

bigfrancis21:


I have one here in my office in the US, born to a Yoruba father and Igbo mother and she is so proud of her maternal ancestry. Physically, she looks very much Igbo. It also seems that non-Igbos born to Igbo mothers often tend to look more Igbo than their father's ancestry. Another example is Eberechi Yemi Alade, a half Igbo half Yoruba girl, who looks every inch Igbo.

I'm sure in ur demented head Omotola must have igbo blood cus all beautiful women look every inch igbo

Well,it's a pity we all are arguing about the origin of nollywood because of tribalism i guess. Come on, Nollywood was only created in 1992 through Living in Bondage. Give credit to Igbo people for once!
Anyway,i also noticed that people with Igbo mothers and Yoruba fathers tend to scream about their Igbo heritage. People like Segun Arinze, Desmond Elliot and Yemi Alade.
Look at Don Jazzy for example, he is more or less comfortable and proud of his Igbo side. Away from the limelight,i 've also come across people that are partly igbo but you will think they are full igbo.
Even David Oyelowo is part Igbo!
Proudly Igbo. Desmond i wu nwa nwa,nothing do you.

macof:

I'm sure in ur demented head Omotola must have igbo blood cus all beautiful women look every inch igbo

macof:

Pls mention a few names of these igbos running the industry

macof:

Smh. Bukola Saraki has the right to keep his ancestry alive. . He has fulani ancestry so what? At least he knows where his family came from and doesn't claim middle-east.
Ijebu don't deny being yoruba, the current Awujale only claims his blood line is from sudan....nobody knows where he got that from cus known before ever doubted Ile-Ife. Btw Ijebu has been in existence before Awujale title
And somehow this Ijebu - Sudan claim only exist on mischievous Internet articles
Egun might not be yoruba linguistically but socio- culturally they are... even today they speak yoruba as well as Egun
There are Ijaw tribes in Ondo state so what are you saying?

macof:


Wtf! I follow you around? I Open a thread that interests me and quote a post with lots of errors to correct and you say I'm following you???
Are you this lonely?

And then you claim you're not following me all over the place quoting my posts?

9jacrip:


You're wasting your time on that sheetbo thing.

Other than being able to write English, he is completely devoid of substance.

Saying Ijebu deny being Yoruba.

Egbon, it's not for him I reply but for the people who might be gullible enough to take a shameless lying bigot seriously

Na waa oh this same Desmond Elliot once claimed he is not a Nigerian that he is from West Indies how come he is now claiming to be a Nigerian cos of politics. Has he ever being to Ibo land. Single mothers make Una dey try tell una children especially d male children how una take conceive dem oh.

macof:


Egbon, it's not for him I reply but for the people who might be gullible enough to take a shameless lying bigot seriously

True.

I wonder if he ever reads the links he posts or understands the contents. The same way he threw in a link comparing Igbo ans Brazlian culture and passing it off as the contribution of Igbo to Brazilian culture on a Yoruba/Brazil thread and Wulfruna had to call him out on it.

The link he had up in his post clearly tips Afolayan as a man wanting to break new grounds and start a new path for Nollywood in comparison to cheaply made movies without scripts slapped on vcds and sold in traffics (sheetbo films). The post also remembered to mention the pirates at Alaba who kill profits for hardworking folks like Afolayan.

Dude should not be taken serious, ko mo nkan kan, all na emotion to defend sheetbo for am.

bigfrancis21:




And then you claim you're not following me all over the place quoting my posts?

you are not intelligent enough to address my post. I get it. U rather turn the tables and leave my questions hanging like the chicken that you are. . When ur lies are exposed
If you were a sensible human being after Making claims that Igbos run Nollywood you would have addressed my post and answered my question not act like a dog on heat

macof:


you are not intelligent enough to address my post. I get it. U rather turn the tables and leave my questions hanging like the chicken that you are. . When ur lies are exposed
If you were a sensible human being after Making claims that Igbos run Nollywood you would have addressed my post and answered my question not act like a dog on heat

If you ask any intelligent question I'll respond to you. To be honest, your so-called 'intelligent' question can simply be answered by doing a search on Google without having to ask me. I guess you're not so intelligent after all to realize that.

I.d!ots are all over the thread trying so hard to peg the credit of Nollywood to the ethnic group of their choice.

Let us get something clear on what Nollywood movie actually is.

Nollywood movie is any Nigerian movie in which the actors use English as a medium of expression regardless of the cultural background used or ethnic background of the acts.

From the above definition, Nollywood cannot be pegged to any ethnic group, it becomes 'Nigerian' as a result of the use of English which by implication makes gives the movie a wider audience base within and outside Nigeria - this has a direct impact on sales.

However, there are Yorubawood movies, Igbowood movies and Hausawood movies. All targeted at particular audiences which in turn affects sales.

My take:

Pegging Nollywood (English based movies regardless of where acts are from or culture used) to Ibo is not only silly but calls the intelligence of such thinkers into question.

If ethnic based movies are to be compared then we could look at ibo movies where ibo is spoken, Yoruba movies where Yoruba is spoken and Hausa movies where Hausa is spoken - throughout.

bigfrancis21:


Hian, madam agnes is still arguing. Yorubas are denying their ancestry, aptly captured not by an Igbo man but a Yoruba man in the article below and you are still arguing.



http://saharareporters.com/2010/12/08/politics-saraki-and-identity-crisis-northern-yoruba-nigeria

Ok. This will be my last exchange with you coz it's obvious you're not worth the stress. I actually doubt the writer is a true Yorubaman simply coz no true Yorubaman would ever even remotely suggest that the Emir of Ilorin is a Yorubaman in the first place -- it's a no-brainer really. And as for you, you are just pained that your dirty linen is out there in the public, everyone and their mom knows you all are rejects.

Iyoma2:
Na waa oh this same Desmond Elliot once claimed he is not a Nigerian that he is from West Indies how come he is now claiming to be a Nigerian cos of politics. Has he ever being to Ibo land. Single mothers make Una dey try tell una children especially d male children how una take conceive dem oh.

His ancestry is quite complicated, ever more so that of his children having Sierra Leonean, Igbo, Akwa Ibom and Yoruba ancestries.

Desmond's paternal ancestor was a slave returnee who had originally returned to Sierra Leone before finally returning to Nigeria. This happening in the 1800s. This explains his English last name, Elliot. He settled in Lagos state. Several ex slaves of Yoruba ancestry returned to Nigeria on abolishment of the slave trade. Example of another slave returnee family in Yoruba land is the Ransome-Kuti family. Also, some of these returnees, those from Latin America especially, returned with Portuguese names.

Some arguments are baffling and well connected to tribalism and hatred. Before the early 90s,there was nothing like nollywood,people just made films and series on celluloid tapes and showcased them in Cinema/theatre houses. The release of Living in Bondage, an Igbo language movie on VHS tapes by two Igbo film makers started what we call the Nigerian movie industry by extention the Nollywood film industry. These producers continued to make Igbo movies which crossed all Linguistic and geographical boundaries till sometime in 1995 or so when they decided to make movies in English language to accomodate other ethnicities. Because of this change, we had movies in English language like Domitila and glamour girls etc. The change from Igbo to English was fully embraced by actors,actrresses,directors and film producers from diverse Nigerian ethnicities. It was around this period that we had non Igbo producers like Tarila Thompson, Teco Benson and the Amata brothers. Fast forward to 2015, the Original Igbo language movie industry has accomodated every other non Igbo movie maker and actors. The greatest mistake of Igbo people in Nollywood is that they stopped making Igbo movies,crossed over and accomodated other people. That is why some of you have the mind to counter facts. Facts that have been documented and stamped in the annals of history. Sorry, Try again!

As usual, the thread has turned into tribal bashings...Anywho, I was about to write a long missive about the Hollywood equivalent of the history of using a more marketable name as a stage name, but I don't have energy for that. Instead, just look at the real names of these actors: Kirk Douglas (Issur Danielovitch), Rock Hudson (Roy Harold Scherer, Jr.), Marilyn Monroe (Norma Jean Baker), Martin Sheen (Ramón Antonio Gerardo Estévez), Jamie Foxx (Eric Marlon Bishop), Lauren Bacall (Betty Joan Perske) and Anna Kashfi* (Joan O'Callaghan).

He isn't the first person to hide his ethnicity for the advancement of his career, and he certainly won't be the last...

*that chic was a special case, she really wanted to be seen as exotic, so she claimed to be half Indian. She was indeed born in British India...to two very very white parents. Maybe that's where Rachel Dolezal got her inspiration from...

Yanks101:
lol.
Desmond is saying yoruba has no place in nollywood.

If hs mother wsnt from Biafra land he wud looked like Obasonjo or Tinubu..... and dat means a lot to fit in Biafranwood stuff....

meshacha1:
Some how it helped you and Ransom Noah and Mercy Johnson.
You guys left the public guessing your origin.

who knows maybe they both have ambition just like Sola.Elliot. Don't be surprised one day when you start hearing Mercy yemisi johnson or Ransom Kola Noah.

Onijagidijagan:
genivive? cossy orjiafor, afrocandy and many useless lagooner women r unmarried cuz they t not wanted by d yoruba guys. d best guys in d game

Mumu,igbo women are not like yoloba women.five different kids for five different fathers,with no qualms.that's'the trademark of yoloba women,gat thhat!

Ihuomadinihu:
Well,it's a pity we all are arguing about the origin of nollywood because of tribalism i guess. Come on, Nollywood was only created in 1992 through Living in Bondage. Give credit to Igbo people for once!
Anyway,i also noticed that people with Igbo mothers and Yoruba fathers tend to scream about their Igbo heritage. People like Segun Arinze, Desmond Elliot and Yemi Alade.
Look at Don Jazzy for example, he is more or less comfortable and proud of his Igbo side. Away from the limelight,i 've also come across people that are partly igbo but you will think they are full igbo.
Even David Oyelowo is part Igbo!
Proudly Igbo. Desmond i wu nwa nwa,nothing do you.

Clarence Peters too..