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Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by 3rdlegxxx(m): 5:34pm On Oct 25, 2015
raayah:
So a woman should forcefully have an abortion if she cheated? forceful miscarriage is abortion.
Secondly, why didn't the man get punished for adultery?
i was waiting for smeone to ask that question and you just did. women get punished, men don't and you brains can't or won't ask why
Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by pongwa(m): 5:35pm On Oct 25, 2015
jstriker442:
my friend, nobdy induced abortion. Jst read numbers chapter 5 all through. Note: We live among wolves, shredders of d word
exactly my point.....I never gave an answer infact I condemned the act.....





now she don carry my point on top head as if I talk say abortion is legal with priest's backing o
Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by Nobody: 5:36pm On Oct 25, 2015
raayah:
Mods, please close thread, As long as a priest induces abortion, It is not a big deal.
Raayah you seem to have a problem with undertanding. I already gave you your answer in verses 28 and 29 of the same passage you quoted in error as proof of abortion by God. From verse 28 the lady is shown as not even being with seed (pregnant). So how would you relate miscarry to abortion in that verse when the woman isnt even pregnant?
Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by pongwa(m): 5:37pm On Oct 25, 2015
mjconcept:
Can you point any powerful and inspiring thing about that book?
I will if you answer my question first
Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by worth(m): 5:56pm On Oct 25, 2015
see kinds of graduates Nigeria produced/producing, Lazy and myopic. Read the whole chapter 5 of the Bible verse and comprehend it.
Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by antithreatz(m): 6:09pm On Oct 25, 2015
This Is nothing but pure truth.... Act 4:12.....mind you, it's only fool that says there's no God, pls don't be one, Jesus Loves you and want you to be saved.
HARDDON:
Do u have dreams? I mean, do u dream when ur head u lay to rest @ night.? Have u had an attack @ night b4?
Do u have control over urself while u sleep?

Have u tried holding ur breath for 3mins?

Have u visited the mogue b4 n appreciated d fact that human being is noting but breath?

Have u wondered if there is really life after death? Or u think humans die like chicken n daz it?

There are alot of questions science cant ansa. Alot more google cant crawl up.

As d day n night is stark real, so also is evil n gud.

How can u bliv in urself when u r limited by make up? With so many questions hanging over ur head unanswered?

The mind blivs on a higher being, a being it can run to when itz @ a cross road.

How can u bliv in others when there is a limit they can go with u? How?
How can u bliv in others when u dont know the deep tots of their hearts? Daggar @ their back , a smile on their faces.



U dont need to know how to pray, b4 u go to bed to night, just ask God to reveal himself to u. Say it like u talking to a friend.
He is closer than u think n he cares than u cud ever imagine.

U wud be glad u did. No matter how far u travel on d wrong road, u wud neva get to u destination. Make a u turn today and embrace the light

Jesus Loves U.
Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by Orter(m): 6:15pm On Oct 25, 2015
duni04:
For anyone in the year 2015 to model his life after books that people living more than 2000 years ago used to govern their lives is just pathetic. While we're at it, we can also stone women who commit adultery. Just ridiculous!
How about the prosperity aspects of it?
Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by Orter(m): 6:19pm On Oct 25, 2015
exxell:
As a Christian, na one eye I dey take look that Old testament god. Most times, there is no difference between him nd the Muslim Allah. Very radical in nature.
How about the part that preaches prosperity?
Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by ogaprime(m): 6:22pm On Oct 25, 2015
raayah:
In the picture I uploaded, there were five translations including KJV.
The original Bible was written in Hebrew, so whether you read KJV or NIV. They were all translated by men. Please read up on the history of King James version Bible
www.biblestudytools.com/numbers/5-22-compare.html
Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by telad(m): 6:35pm On Oct 25, 2015
@op, there is a BIG difference between miscarriage and abortion. One is deliberate while the other is not. Miscarriage is the word here and only through CURSE (not drugs, injections or D$C) by the PROPHET (not doctor/medical practitioner).
Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by Nobody: 6:40pm On Oct 25, 2015
ogaprime:
www.biblestudytools.com/numbers/5-22-compare.html
I did tell her that that portion talks about making the adulterous woman sterile or infertile and she seems to think its refering to abortion.
Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by Nobody: 6:41pm On Oct 25, 2015
telad:
@op, there is a BIG difference between miscarriage and abortion. One is deliberate while the other is not. Miscarriage is the word here and only through CURSE (not drugs, injections or D$C) by the PROPHET (not doctor/medical practitioner).
Therd is nothing in that scripture that points at miscarriage or abortion. In verse 28 it clearly shows the course is for a woman without seed as it would cause her to be barren
Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by uzolexis(f): 6:50pm On Oct 25, 2015
ahckmedkosy:
God is all knowing. Mind u He knows those that will make heaven n those that won't even before they are born. Esau did something wrong. He sold his birth right remember. Jacob was favoured cos God already knew that He will be the lineage tru which Salvation (Jesus) was going to come to mankind.
have you even thought about the implication of what you just saidhuh If God is already knows those who will make heaven why bother ourselves trying to live a righteous life cos no matter how hard we try, we can't make it anyway if God says we wont make it. So God has favourites and treats his favourites better than others, he cursed Esau from the womb and blessed Jacob, why would he do thathuh what did Esau dohuh why did he even allow Esau come to this world if he had already condemned him to a life of sufferinghuh he would have just allowed Rebecca have Jacob alone and save Esau the humiliationhuh why would he allow pple come to this world at all if he knew that they are already doomed and wont make it to heaven eventuallyhuh
Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by captianfreeman(m): 6:57pm On Oct 25, 2015
freecocoa:
grin grin grin

Mehn! I don't know which hell will be worse than naija right now and I'm sure if I can survive in naija, I will definitely survive any other hell, he should bring it on.

If I can lay my hands on the writers of the bible eh, I will spank them silly, very stup1d and evil men they were, I don't want to imagine what the lives of women then would have been like.

#sad
It is a punishment for adulterous women.
Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by livebullet(m): 7:06pm On Oct 25, 2015
as a catholic...either by rape or consent, evry life conceived is God's breathe. Hence abortion by wathever rational is evil... God have mercy on ur children. Amen
Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by captianfreeman(m): 7:09pm On Oct 25, 2015
raayah:
Read Through

Numbers 5 vs 20-23

20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband"--

21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse--"may the LORD cause you to become a curse among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell.

22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries." "'Then the woman is to say, "Amen. So be it."


23 "'The priest is to write these curses on a scroll and then wash them off into the bitter water.
Nope, the bible is strictly against abortion. What the bible seek to do is to discourage and punish adultery.
Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by andresemy2: 7:19pm On Oct 25, 2015
do not be deceived by the devil girl @
captianfreeman:
It is a punishment for adulterous women.
Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by TELLHIT(m): 7:20pm On Oct 25, 2015
freecocoa:
grin grin grin

Mehn! I don't know which hell will be worse than naija right now and I'm sure if I can survive in naija, I will definitely survive any other hell, he should bring it on.

If I can lay my hands on the writers of the bible eh, I will spank them silly, very stup1d and evil men they were, I don't want to imagine what the lives of women then would have been like.

#sad
well sense is scarce... Not surprised yu got none
Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by Esdb3: 7:29pm On Oct 25, 2015
raayah:
Read Through

Numbers 5 vs 20-23

20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband"--

21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse--"may the LORD cause you to become a curse among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell.

22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries." "'Then the woman is to say, "Amen. So be it."

23 "'The priest is to write these curses on a scroll and then wash them off into the bitter water.
This is the old testament? Have you heard of the new testament?
Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by Esdb3: 7:33pm On Oct 25, 2015
freecocoa:
See the kind god people decide to worship, that dude is mean sha.
Did you read the grievous offence she has to commit to recite that? Tell me how any woman will want to fornicate with that. And how wicked is she for sleeping with another man instead of her husband.

And that was the old testament for an old era.
Think well before you blaspheme God.
Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by HARDDON: 7:33pm On Oct 25, 2015
omoarole:
Musings of a religious mind. And that's practically the bane of religion. It's a very primitive characteristic of man to attribute whatever they can't understand to be supernatural. Heck, they even have a name for it. It's called "miracle". When they didn't understand the physics of sound, they called the fall of the wall of Jericho a miracle. Now, they know better.
Science has an answer for a lot of questions now. And that's the characteristic of the modern man. Science has not come into the fulness of its being, it is still evolving. Even your bible attests to the fact that the God you intend to defend so graciously has attested to the fact that man may one day be like God. Science is a vessel to that possibility. Look at the Tower of Babel. The scientific mind of man at that point seemed to be a threat to your God. To the extent that he had to disrupt the job at hand. See Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. They had to be driven away because they would soon be like God.
Inasmuch as I would not disrespect your belief in your God, I will want you to open your mind to the possibility that the God you serve is a Scientific being, whose knowledge of science has transcended mortal man....but it is Science nonetheless. He has conquered aging, and thus you call Him the Ancient of Days. He has conquered distance, so you call him Omnipresent. He knows more than the knowledge of modern man, so you call him Omniscient. But that doesn't mean it's not all science.
Why do you think the present world is at the point where everyone thinks it's going to end? It's that same threat that happened in the Garden of Eden. Man is knowing roo much.
So, dear friend, your God is a scientific being. And questioning him and things that have happened before, that people call "miracle" is normal. And what everyone should be doing. It does not mean you disrespect God. It might even mean you want to understand him so that you can love him more.
As much as i appreciate the was fact that u r open minded enuf not to resort to personality/our way of life attack, i make bold to declare emphatically that Christianity is no religion. IT IS A WAY OF LIFE, christians live like Christ. And as u do well know, he was totally against religous dogma: he healed on d sabbath day n totally took exception to all religous doctrines of his time. Totally lived above natural laws! And demons flee, he simply came to show/give us the vast power adam lost. And connect us all back to our source; GOD. HE said itz finished and the temple vail that once separated us from having access to our maker, was torn in twain.

2) Secondly, MIRACLES: these are incredible ,supernatural touch of d almight God in the affairs of men provoked by the desperate faith of men. "To him that bliveth, all things r possible"

When it comes to miracle, science goes norm. How can sceince explain a man born blind receiving his sight at a spot? Or d crippled walking, d deaf hearing and a man, having realised who he really is, living above sickness and deseases? Science is too blind to explain d forces of gud and evil, why we dream and a host of others. See the attempt man is having at AI, 5year old's intelligence is eons ahead of em. Take control of ur life, dont live it to science. You wud suffer what d world suffers.


How can science threaten its creator? Nah, it cant. See, he is a very Jelous God. He hates it wen we try to do it our ways n take glory due him. That was what annoyed him. What u shld know is that he made us in his image ( we bare his limitless abilities) and he knows a man's heart is desperately wicked without him. that was why a man could wake up and insult God by saying his great grand father evolved from apes! Science is always striving to prove there is no God. But therw is my gee.

In him we are goDs.he wants us to know that! To dominate the world , continue from where he stopped,but in doing that, not take the glory due him. THAT WAS WHAT ROBBED THE DEVIL HIS PLACE IN HEAVEN, What causes Adam Eden, what made Nebuchadnezza eat grass, Herod eaten by termites.
HE DOES NOT SHARE HIS GLORY.

Btw, he drove adam out because he disobeyed God's express order n in d process obeyed satan. Dont pray to have revolting wife n kids, u wud die young.

I asked God to have mercy on you because u did insult his person when u said he is a scientific being. HE IS NOT.

the are so many forces on earth, science is just one of them, then there are forces of gud and evil( which science cannot comprehend) HIV disappearing from a body is beyond science. SS turning AA robs science 's arogant nose on the dust of himiliation.

Science of old makes it sound like humans are chicken; once dead that all, bliv u me, we aint. But lately, science bliv dat human have a soul, if humans have souls, that means there is an after earth life. Dont be caught off guard. Dust to dust, d Spirit( God's breath) goes back to him, what becomes of the soul? Profiteth nothing if u science d whole world n lose ur soul.


People are thinking the present world would soon end because there r so many sign Christ listed to foretell d end of time , happening b4 our very eyes, men marrying men
, lagalizing same, and so many ills of our generations,
DO U KNOW WHY SODOM WAS distroyed?

It is high time you come back to ur root. Which is God.
He wanted to make animals, he spoke to d bush, fishes, he spoke to d seas, but when he wanted t oo make man, he spoke to himself, u can only find rest n fulfilment in him. Dont fall to this cheap science lies, itz just a ploy to keep u bound n rebel against ur maker. Then u begin to suffer what d world suffers.

Jesus Luvs U.
Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by Esdb3: 7:38pm On Oct 25, 2015
johnydon22:
Oh am curious; Is the Old testament God different from the new testament God?

Are they different Gods or the ideas of the people who speak for God change?
No mr man. It is like a change of law to suit a type of age.

How would you feel if in this modern world people still sacrificed to pigeons? Think of the coming of Jesus as moving from analog to digital. No more burnt offering now all you gotta do is 'voice command' for forgiveness and your sins are gone.

Something like that. The world would change and God foresaw and Improved.
Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by Esdb3: 7:49pm On Oct 25, 2015
omoarole:
Musings of a religious mind. And that's practically the bane of religion. It's a very primitive characteristic of man to attribute whatever they can't understand to be supernatural. Heck, they even have a name for it. It's called "miracle". When they didn't understand the physics of sound, they called the fall of the wall of Jericho a miracle. Now, they know better.
Science has an answer for a lot of questions now. And that's the characteristic of the modern man. Science has not come into the fulness of its being, it is still evolving. Even your bible attests to the fact that the God you intend to defend so graciously has attested to the fact that man may one day be like God. Science is a vessel to that possibility. Look at the Tower of Babel. The scientific mind of man at that point seemed to be a threat to your God. To the extent that he had to disrupt the job at hand. See Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. They had to be driven away because they would soon be like God.
Inasmuch as I would not disrespect your belief in your God, I will want you to open your mind to the possibility that the God you serve is a Scientific being, whose knowledge of science has transcended mortal man....but it is Science nonetheless. He has conquered aging, and thus you call Him the Ancient of Days. He has conquered distance, so you call him Omnipresent. He knows more than the knowledge of modern man, so you call him Omniscient. But that doesn't mean it's not all science.
Why do you think the present world is at the point where everyone thinks it's going to end? It's that same threat that happened in the Garden of Eden. Man is knowing roo much.
So, dear friend, your God is a scientific being. And questioning him and things that have happened before, that people call "miracle" is normal. And what everyone should be doing. It does not mean you disrespect God. It might even mean you want to understand him so that you can love him more.
I agree and disagree with you. Yes miracle might be normal but don't tell me, it is not supernatural. It is supernatural to us but physics to God. I have been mind-touching a new branch of physics called spiritual physics.

Now I do not agree with you.

Fall of Jericho was science? So 7 trumpets and shouts of hallelujah fell a tall fence made of clay bricks? Do you know clay bricks are bullet proof and sound proof?

Don't call God Science. Don't call him what we humans practice. Yes I agree what he does can be explained but it is still a miracle. Let me see you divide the red sea, heal a leper by speaking, walk on water.

I guess the mistake you are making is, you don't know what science is. Science my dear, is 'man doing things' simple!! Science is man easing his labour by finding ways to ease his labour. We just gave it a name to distinguish it from other factions.

And who said God is not science minded? Have you read of Noah's Ark?

My correction to you is; "yes what God does might be practicable if we were shown how, but since we don't know how he raised the dead by speaking, it remains a Miracle to us, Science to him!"
Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by ahckmedkosy(m): 7:57pm On Oct 25, 2015
uzolexis:
have you even thought about the implication of what you just saidhuh If God is already knows those who will make heaven why bother ourselves trying to live a righteous life cos no matter how hard we try, we can't make it anyway if God says we wont make it. So God has favourites and treats his favourites better than others, he cursed Esau from the womb and blessed Jacob, why would he do thathuh what did Esau dohuh why did he even allow Esau come to this world if he had already condemned him to a life of sufferinghuh he would have just allowed Rebecca have Jacob alone and save Esau the humiliationhuh why would he allow pple come to this world at all if he knew that they are already doomed and wont make it to heaven eventuallyhuh
Do you believe that God knows all the wrongs n right things u will Do tomorrow?
Do you also believe that He knows when you will leave this world?
God said "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy".. unless you can count the number of hairs on ur head, one shouldn't question God
Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by kayor62: 8:07pm On Oct 25, 2015
Dekatron:
grin grin



No ooo, he is a LOVING FATHER, SUFFICIENT GOD, OMNIPRESENT, OMNIPOTENT, OMNISCIENT. . . . . .



Sister repent, or you are in damnation of HELL!! REPENT!!


@raayah :- well, away from BIBLE and RELIGION, I actually DON'T SUPPORT ABORTION ON A NORMAL DAY. Except for RAPE. . . . Its your responsibility, DO IT!! Why didnt you use protection or why did you let him enter without protection??


Na part of why I never jam kpekus o jare my sister. . . . . Abortion except for RAPE or SEXUAL ASSAULT(If possible) is BAD and without evidence of rape, doctors should NEVER ABORT. They should make that a law.
U hate abortion but ur book allows it so are u going against ur God? U support sex with protection even if it is illegal sex but u dislike abortion, what an insult to God?
Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by omoarole: 8:07pm On Oct 25, 2015
HARDDON:
As much as i appreciate the was fact that u r open minded enuf not to resort to personality/our way of life attack, i make bold to declare emphatically that Christianity is no religion. IT IS A WAY OF LIFE, christians live like Christ. And as u do well know, he was totally against religous dogma: he healed on d sabbath day n totally took exception to all religous doctrines of his time. Totally lived above natural laws! And demons flee, he simply came to show/give us the vast power adam lost. And connect us all back to our source; GOD. HE said itz finished and the temple vail that once separated us from having access to our maker, was torn in twain.

2) Secondly, MIRACLES: these are incredible ,supernatural touch of d almight God in the affairs of men provoked by the desperate faith of men. "To him that bliveth, all things r possible"

When it comes to miracle, science goes norm. How can sceince explain a man born blind receiving his sight at a spot? Or d crippled walking, d deaf hearing and a man, having realised who he really is, living above sickness and deseases? Science is too blind to explain d forces of gud and evil, why we dream and a host of others. See the attempt man is having at AI, 5year old's intelligence is eons ahead of em. Take control of ur life, dont live it to science. You wud suffer what d world suffers.


How can science threaten its creator? Nah, it cant. See, he is a very Jelous God. He hates it wen we try to do it our ways n take glory due him. That was what annoyed him. What u shld know is that he made us in his image ( we bare his limitless abilities) and he knows a man's heart is desperately wicked without him. that was why a man could wake up and insult God by saying his great grand father evolved from apes! Science is always striving to prove there is no God. But therw is my gee.

In him we are goDs.he wants us to know that! To dominate the world , continue from where he stopped,but in doing that, not take the glory due him. THAT WAS WHAT ROBBED THE DEVIL HIS PLACE IN HEAVEN, What causes Adam Eden, what made Nebuchadnezza eat grass, Herod eaten by termites.
HE DOES NOT SHARE HIS GLORY.

Btw, he drove adam out because he disobeyed God's express order n in d process obeyed satan. Dont pray to have revolting wife n kids, u wud die young.

I asked God to have mercy on you because u did insult his person when u said he is a scientific being. HE IS NOT.

the are so many forces on earth, science is just one of them, then there are forces of gud and evil( which science cannot comprehend) HIV disappearing from a body is beyond science. SS turning AA robs science 's arogant nose on the dust of himiliation.

Science of old makes it sound like humans are chicken; once dead that all, bliv u me, we aint. But lately, science bliv dat human have a soul, if humans have souls, that means there is an after earth life. Dont be caught off guard. Dust to dust, d Spirit( God's breath) goes back to him, what becomes of the soul? Profiteth nothing if u science d whole world n lose ur soul.


People are thinking the present world would soon end because there r so many sign Christ listed to foretell d end of time , happening b4 our very eyes, men marrying men
, lagalizing same, and so many ills of our generations,
DO U KNOW WHY SODOM WAS distroyed?

It is high time you come back to ur root. Which is God.
He wanted to make animals, he spoke to d bush, fishes, he spoke to d seas, but when he wanted t oo make man, he spoke to himself, u can only find rest n fulfilment in him. Dont fall to this cheap science lies, itz just a ploy to keep u bound n rebel against ur maker. Then u begin to suffer what d world suffers.

Jesus Luvs U.
You are totally missing the whole point. Read my post again. I have only lauded the criticism of the modern mind. You yourself have clearly stated what I know you call miracles. Tell me a "miracle" that you can explain. You certainly cannot. Because the day you can explain a miracle is the day it ceases to be one. And that is what science is all about. Determining the reasons why things are, and explaining what heretofore, has been unexplainable.
Most Christians like to say that Christianity is a way of life. All religions are ways of life, and science is a way of life too. It doesn't make it less a religion than any other. Science will NEVER claim to know everything. That's impossible. By the nature of science itself, it is antithetical to believe there is an end to knowledge, talk less of an embodiment of the total knowledge there is. But you cannot but laud science in its own ways. Many diseases that for ages have ravaged mankind have been conquered by science. Science has allowed us to understand what beliefs have made us not comprehend. If not for the scientific mind, we would not have achieved leaps and bounds in prolonging life and reducing mortality. Christianity has not brought an improved maternal mortality or infant mortality rates. Science has. And all those health related miracles that you mentioned have not once been confirmed independently. And if they really happened, I bet that science will have the answer in due time. That's science. It always questions and looks for answers.
Molecular and Human genetics have brought us a whole world of answers about the origins of man. Science makes us question. The bible says God formed man from the dust of the earth. Science has proved that organic matter is similar to dirt. Science does not antagonise religion, rather it helps the modern mind to understand God.
Have you ever wondered why God never aged through the bible? Have you ever thought that there might be a scientific explanation for that? Maybe he is the same yesterday today and forever for a scientific reason....because He has conquered time and space.....which is the next frontier in science. Right now, scientists have built mathematical models to demonstrate that breaching space -time continuum is possible, and laboratory testing is ongoing.
What most people fail to realise is this: Christianity and other religions are man's way to understand and comprehend the concept of God....science helps us to improve this comprehension by understanding ourselves and growing therein. Everyone thinks their "religion cum way-of-life is the only way to immortality, but if they stop to think a little and follow the path of seeking for understanding and knowledge, they might actually realise that God is not as far away as they think.
So, dear friend, it is my belief that science seeks to explain our universe.....and it is every man's duty to himself and posterity to seek the path of knowledge and science.....because I almost certain (without committing the falacy of pseudoscience) that the end of the path of science is an understanding of the concept of God.
Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by sonmvayina(m): 8:10pm On Oct 25, 2015
sylvalord:
[color=grey]oh they are different? Then why does the bible say "god is the same yesterday today and forever? Why do you christians say your god cannot change? The bible says heaven and earth will pass away but the word of god will not pass away, yet it is obvious there was a drastic change as the old testament metamorphosized into the new testament. Doesn't this show that the so called "changeless god" xtians worship is actually very unstable and is suffering from multiple personality disorder? [/color]
they are different gods...the old testament is purely a Jewish thingy...and was written prior to the invasion of Palestine by the Jewish priest and rabbi, the new testament was purely influenced by the roman and Greeks who had come to the scene now, they have different concept of god..the Jews have no idea if Satan and god were different, the was the Romans and Greeks that separated them.with their own concept, which in turn was influenced by Zoroastrianism............
Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by sonmvayina(m): 8:15pm On Oct 25, 2015
Yinkame123:
Your God then could B said to be confused rolling out two different laws. Is he not all knowing?
they where written by different people and influenced by different ideologies..they are 2 different gods...that is the painful truth.
Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by omozu1(m): 8:15pm On Oct 25, 2015
freecocoa:
grin grin grin

Mehn! I don't know which hell will be worse than naija right now and I'm sure if I can survive in naija, I will definitely survive any other hell, he should bring it on.

If I can lay my hands on the writers of the bible eh, I will spank them silly, very stup1d and evil men they were, I don't want to imagine what the lives of women then would have been like.
#sad
[quote author=freecocoa post=38649752]grin grin grin




My dear you are lost and jesus is looking for you to safe you like a lost sheep that is about to eating by the wolf. (Devil)
I was once like you insulting and cursing God and even working against the move of the gosple but today i am on his side living in peace.
My dear come out of that anger you are hidding and let God help you and you will be glad you did.
Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by Audraey(f): 8:16pm On Oct 25, 2015
Before you conclude, why not verify from different versions? Numbers 5 wasn't talking about abortion. It never said the woman was pregnant. Also, try to move up, I mean read maybe like 5 verses before and after.

Numbers 5:11-31 is all about protecting marital faithfulness.

Lemme post some versions here starting from verse 11-31;

NLT; Numbers 5:11-31
And the lord said to Moses, “Give the following instructions to the people of Israel.“Suppose a man’s wife goes astray, and she is unfaithful to her husband and has sex with another man, but neither her husband nor anyone else knows about it. She has defiled herself, even though there was no witness and she was not caught in the act. If her husband becomes jealous and is suspicious of his wife and needs to know whether or not she has defiled herself, the husband must bring his wife to the priest. He must also bring an offering of two quarts of barley flour to be presented on her behalf. Do not mix it with olive oil or frankincense, for it is a jealousy offering—an offering to prove whether or not she is guilty. “The priest will then present her to stand trial before the lord. He must take some holy water in a clay jar and pour into it dust he has taken from the Tabernacle floor. When the priest has presented the woman before the lord, he must unbind her hair and place in her hands the offering of proof—the jealousy offering to determine whether her husband’s suspicions are justified. The priest will stand before her, holding the jar of bitter water that brings a curse to those who are guilty. The priest will then put the woman under oath and say to her, ‘If no other man has had sex with you, and you have not gone astray and defiled yourself while under your husband’s authority, may you be immune from the effects of this bitter water that brings on the curse. But if you have gone astray by being unfaithful to your husband, and have defiled yourself by having sex with another man—’ “At this point the priest must put the woman under oath by saying, ‘May the people know that the lord’s curse is upon you when he makes you infertile, causing your womb to shrivel and your abdomen to swell. Now may this water that brings the curse enter your body and cause your abdomen to swell and your womb to shrivel.’ And the woman will be required to say, ‘Yes, let it be so.’ And the priest will write these curses on a piece of leather and wash them off into the bitter water. He will make the woman drink the bitter water that brings on the curse. When the water enters her body, it will cause bitter suffering if she is guilty. “The priest will take the jealousy offering from the woman’s hand, lift it up before the lord, and carry it to the altar. He will take a handful of the flour as a token portion and burn it on the altar, and he will require the woman to drink the water. If she has defiled herself by being unfaithful to her husband, the water that brings on the curse will cause bitter suffering. Her abdomen will swell and her womb will shrink, and her name will become a curse among her people. But if she has not defiled herself and is pure, then she will be unharmed and will still be able to have children. “This is the ritual law for dealing with suspicion. If a woman goes astray and defiles herself while under her husband’s authority, or if a man becomes jealous and is suspicious that his wife has been unfaithful, the husband must present his wife before the lord, and the priest will apply this entire ritual law to her. The husband will be innocent of any guilt in this matter, but his wife will be held accountable for her sin.”

AMP; Numbers 5:11-31
And the Lord said to Moses, Say to the Israelites, If any man's wife goes astray and commits an offense of guilt against him, And a man lies with her carnally, and it is hidden from the eyes of her husband and it is kept secret though she is defiled, and there is no witness against her nor was she taken in the act, And if the spirit of jealousy comes upon him and he is jealous and suspicious of his wife who has defiled herself–or if the spirit of jealousy comes upon him and he is jealous and suspicious of his wife though she has not defiled herself– Then shall the man bring his wife to the priest, and he shall bring the offering required of her, a tenth of an ephah of barley meal; but he shall pour no oil upon it nor put frankincense on it [symbols of favor and joy], for it is a cereal offering of jealousy and suspicion, a memorial offering bringing iniquity to remembrance. And the priest shall bring her near and set her before the Lord. And the priest shall take holy water [probably from the sacred laver] in an earthen vessel and take some of the dust that is on the floor of the tabernacle and put it in the water. And the priest shall set the woman before the Lord, and let the hair of the woman's head hang loose, and put the meal offering of remembrance in her hands, which is the jealousy and suspicion offering. And the priest shall have in his hand the water of bitterness that brings the curse. Then the priest shall make her take an oath, and say to the woman, If no man has lain with you and if you have not gone astray to uncleanness with another instead of your husband, then be free from any effect of this water of bitterness which brings the curse. But if you have gone astray and you are defiled, some man having lain with you beside your husband, Then the priest shall make the woman take the oath of the curse, and say to the woman, The Lord make you a curse and an oath among your people when the Lord makes your thigh fall away and your body swell. May this water that brings the curse go into your bowels and make your body swell and your thigh fall away. And the woman shall say, So let it be, so let it be. The priest shall then write these curses in a book and shall wash them off into the water of bitterness; And he shall cause the woman to drink the water of bitterness that brings the curse, and the water that brings the curse shall enter into her [to try her] bitterly. Then the priest shall take the cereal offering of jealousy and suspicion out of the woman's hand and shall wave the offering before the Lord and offer it upon the altar. And the priest shall take a handful of the cereal offering as the memorial portion of it and burn it on the altar, and afterward shall cause the woman to drink the water. And when he has made her drink the water, then if she is defiled and has committed a trespass against her husband, the curse water which she drank shall be bitterness and cause her body to swell and her thigh to fall away, and the woman shall be a curse among her people. But if the woman is not defiled and is clean, then she shall be free [from the curse] and be able to have children. This is the law of jealousy and suspicion when a wife goes aside to another instead of her husband and is defiled, Or when the spirit of jealousy and suspicion comes upon a man and he is jealous and suspicious of his wife; then shall he set the woman before the Lord, and the priest shall execute on her all this law. The [husband] shall be free from iniquity and guilt, and that woman [if guilty] shall bear her iniquity.

GNT; Numbers 5:11-31
The Lord commanded Moses to give the Israelites the following instructions. It may happen that a man becomes suspicious that his wife is unfaithful to him and has defiled herself by having intercourse with another man. But the husband may not be certain, for his wife may have kept it secret—there was no witness, and she was not caught in the act. Or it may happen that a husband becomes suspicious of his wife, even though she has not been unfaithful. ... In either case the man shall take his wife to the priest. He shall also take the required offering of two pounds of barley flour, but he shall not pour any olive oil on it or put any incense on it, because it is an offering from a suspicious husband, made to bring the truth to light. The priest shall bring the woman forward and have her stand in front of the altar. He shall pour some holy water into a clay bowl and take some of the earth that is on the floor of the Tent of the Lord's presence and put it in the water to make it bitter. Then he shall loosen the woman's hair and put the offering of flour in her hands. In his hands the priest shall hold the bowl containing the bitter water that brings a curse. Then the priest shall make the woman agree to this oath spoken by the priest: “If you have not committed adultery, you will not be harmed by the curse that this water brings. But if you have committed adultery, may the Lord make your name a curse among your people. May he cause your genital organs to shrink and your stomach to swell up. May this water enter your stomach and cause it to swell up and your genital organs to shrink.”The woman shall respond, “I agree; may the Lord do so.” Then the priest shall write this curse down and wash the writing off into the bowl of bitter water. Before he makes the woman drink the water, which may then cause her bitter pain, the priest shall take the offering of flour out of the woman's hands, hold it out in dedication to the Lord, and present it on the altar. Then he shall take a handful of it as a token offering and burn it on the altar. Finally, he shall make the woman drink the water. If she has committed adultery, the water will cause bitter pain; her stomach will swell up and her genital organs will shrink. Her name will become a curse among her people. But if she is innocent, she will not be harmed and will be able to bear children. This is the law in cases where a man is jealous and becomes suspicious that his wife has committed adultery. The woman shall be made to stand in front of the altar, and the priest shall perform this ritual. ... The husband shall be free of guilt, but the woman, if guilty, must suffer the consequences.


Lemme stop here for now. My network isn't allowing me view other versions properly. Don't just read the bible on the surface but study and understand what it means. Some words may mean otherwise but in relation.
Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by HARDDON: 8:22pm On Oct 25, 2015
neocortex:
Why are you running away from the op's question ?
Are you ashame of associating with yahweh ?
Need i?

Probably wud have if we still seek atornement tru d blood of goats, pigs and peageons. But we aint, question is therefore, out of place.
Wud have if we are still locked out and a priest goes into d holies of holies to burn incenta n mediate for us.

Nonetheleas, op got it all twisted: basic english calls any sentence starting with IF a conditional statement n wen scripting, we use it in nested loops to forstall or out think certain processes that might arise in d future.... strigent laws that installed to forestall evil occurences because d heart of man is deaperately wicked.

Nigeria has a law agaisnt gays, so b4 u indulge, u know exactly d consequences does that mean Nigeria support gayism? See?
Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by Audraey(f): 8:23pm On Oct 25, 2015
Secondly, away from the long note up. It wasn't about abortion. It was about cleansing the woman's belly from the filthiness of her unfaithfulness. As far as it was never recorded that the lady conceived due to her unfaithfulness, don't just post blindly.

As at then, the swelling of her bowels and falling of her tighs is just to enable people know that she cheated on her husband.
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