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| Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by 3rdlegxxx(m): 5:34pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
raayah:i was waiting for smeone to ask that question and you just did. women get punished, men don't and you brains can't or won't ask why |
| Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by pongwa(m): 5:35pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
jstriker442:exactly my point.....I never gave an answer infact I condemned the act..... now she don carry my point on top head as if I talk say abortion is legal with priest's backing o |
| Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by Nobody: 5:36pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
raayah:Raayah you seem to have a problem with undertanding. I already gave you your answer in verses 28 and 29 of the same passage you quoted in error as proof of abortion by God. From verse 28 the lady is shown as not even being with seed (pregnant). So how would you relate miscarry to abortion in that verse when the woman isnt even pregnant? |
| Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by pongwa(m): 5:37pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
mjconcept:I will if you answer my question first |
| Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by worth(m): 5:56pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
see kinds of graduates Nigeria produced/producing, Lazy and myopic. Read the whole chapter 5 of the Bible verse and comprehend it. |
| Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by antithreatz(m): 6:09pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
This Is nothing but pure truth.... Act 4:12.....mind you, it's only fool that says there's no God, pls don't be one, Jesus Loves you and want you to be saved. HARDDON: |
| Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by Orter(m): 6:15pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
duni04:How about the prosperity aspects of it? |
| Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by Orter(m): 6:19pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
exxell:How about the part that preaches prosperity? |
| Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by ogaprime(m): 6:22pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
raayah:www.biblestudytools.com/numbers/5-22-compare.html |
| Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by telad(m): 6:35pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
@op, there is a BIG difference between miscarriage and abortion. One is deliberate while the other is not. Miscarriage is the word here and only through CURSE (not drugs, injections or D$C) by the PROPHET (not doctor/medical practitioner). |
| Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by Nobody: 6:40pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
ogaprime:I did tell her that that portion talks about making the adulterous woman sterile or infertile and she seems to think its refering to abortion. |
| Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by Nobody: 6:41pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
telad:Therd is nothing in that scripture that points at miscarriage or abortion. In verse 28 it clearly shows the course is for a woman without seed as it would cause her to be barren |
| Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by uzolexis(f): 6:50pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
ahckmedkosy:have you even thought about the implication of what you just said If God is already knows those who will make heaven why bother ourselves trying to live a righteous life cos no matter how hard we try, we can't make it anyway if God says we wont make it. So God has favourites and treats his favourites better than others, he cursed Esau from the womb and blessed Jacob, why would he do that what did Esau do why did he even allow Esau come to this world if he had already condemned him to a life of suffering he would have just allowed Rebecca have Jacob alone and save Esau the humiliation why would he allow pple come to this world at all if he knew that they are already doomed and wont make it to heaven eventually![]() |
| Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by captianfreeman(m): 6:57pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
freecocoa:It is a punishment for adulterous women. |
| Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by livebullet(m): 7:06pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
as a catholic...either by rape or consent, evry life conceived is God's breathe. Hence abortion by wathever rational is evil... God have mercy on ur children. Amen |
| Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by captianfreeman(m): 7:09pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
raayah:Nope, the bible is strictly against abortion. What the bible seek to do is to discourage and punish adultery. |
| Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by andresemy2: 7:19pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
do not be deceived by the devil girl @ captianfreeman: |
| Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by TELLHIT(m): 7:20pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
freecocoa:well sense is scarce... Not surprised yu got none |
| Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by Esdb3: 7:29pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
raayah:This is the old testament? Have you heard of the new testament? |
| Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by Esdb3: 7:33pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
freecocoa:Did you read the grievous offence she has to commit to recite that? Tell me how any woman will want to fornicate with that. And how wicked is she for sleeping with another man instead of her husband. And that was the old testament for an old era. Think well before you blaspheme God. |
| Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by HARDDON: 7:33pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
omoarole:As much as i appreciate the was fact that u r open minded enuf not to resort to personality/our way of life attack, i make bold to declare emphatically that Christianity is no religion. IT IS A WAY OF LIFE, christians live like Christ. And as u do well know, he was totally against religous dogma: he healed on d sabbath day n totally took exception to all religous doctrines of his time. Totally lived above natural laws! And demons flee, he simply came to show/give us the vast power adam lost. And connect us all back to our source; GOD. HE said itz finished and the temple vail that once separated us from having access to our maker, was torn in twain. 2) Secondly, MIRACLES: these are incredible ,supernatural touch of d almight God in the affairs of men provoked by the desperate faith of men. "To him that bliveth, all things r possible" When it comes to miracle, science goes norm. How can sceince explain a man born blind receiving his sight at a spot? Or d crippled walking, d deaf hearing and a man, having realised who he really is, living above sickness and deseases? Science is too blind to explain d forces of gud and evil, why we dream and a host of others. See the attempt man is having at AI, 5year old's intelligence is eons ahead of em. Take control of ur life, dont live it to science. You wud suffer what d world suffers. How can science threaten its creator? Nah, it cant. See, he is a very Jelous God. He hates it wen we try to do it our ways n take glory due him. That was what annoyed him. What u shld know is that he made us in his image ( we bare his limitless abilities) and he knows a man's heart is desperately wicked without him. that was why a man could wake up and insult God by saying his great grand father evolved from apes! Science is always striving to prove there is no God. But therw is my gee. In him we are goDs.he wants us to know that! To dominate the world , continue from where he stopped,but in doing that, not take the glory due him. THAT WAS WHAT ROBBED THE DEVIL HIS PLACE IN HEAVEN, What causes Adam Eden, what made Nebuchadnezza eat grass, Herod eaten by termites. HE DOES NOT SHARE HIS GLORY. Btw, he drove adam out because he disobeyed God's express order n in d process obeyed satan. Dont pray to have revolting wife n kids, u wud die young. I asked God to have mercy on you because u did insult his person when u said he is a scientific being. HE IS NOT. the are so many forces on earth, science is just one of them, then there are forces of gud and evil( which science cannot comprehend) HIV disappearing from a body is beyond science. SS turning AA robs science 's arogant nose on the dust of himiliation. Science of old makes it sound like humans are chicken; once dead that all, bliv u me, we aint. But lately, science bliv dat human have a soul, if humans have souls, that means there is an after earth life. Dont be caught off guard. Dust to dust, d Spirit( God's breath) goes back to him, what becomes of the soul? Profiteth nothing if u science d whole world n lose ur soul. People are thinking the present world would soon end because there r so many sign Christ listed to foretell d end of time , happening b4 our very eyes, men marrying men , lagalizing same, and so many ills of our generations, DO U KNOW WHY SODOM WAS distroyed? It is high time you come back to ur root. Which is God. He wanted to make animals, he spoke to d bush, fishes, he spoke to d seas, but when he wanted t oo make man, he spoke to himself, u can only find rest n fulfilment in him. Dont fall to this cheap science lies, itz just a ploy to keep u bound n rebel against ur maker. Then u begin to suffer what d world suffers. Jesus Luvs U. |
| Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by Esdb3: 7:38pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
johnydon22:No mr man. It is like a change of law to suit a type of age. How would you feel if in this modern world people still sacrificed to pigeons? Think of the coming of Jesus as moving from analog to digital. No more burnt offering now all you gotta do is 'voice command' for forgiveness and your sins are gone. Something like that. The world would change and God foresaw and Improved. |
| Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by Esdb3: 7:49pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
omoarole:I agree and disagree with you. Yes miracle might be normal but don't tell me, it is not supernatural. It is supernatural to us but physics to God. I have been mind-touching a new branch of physics called spiritual physics. Now I do not agree with you. Fall of Jericho was science? So 7 trumpets and shouts of hallelujah fell a tall fence made of clay bricks? Do you know clay bricks are bullet proof and sound proof? Don't call God Science. Don't call him what we humans practice. Yes I agree what he does can be explained but it is still a miracle. Let me see you divide the red sea, heal a leper by speaking, walk on water. I guess the mistake you are making is, you don't know what science is. Science my dear, is 'man doing things' simple!! Science is man easing his labour by finding ways to ease his labour. We just gave it a name to distinguish it from other factions. And who said God is not science minded? Have you read of Noah's Ark? My correction to you is; "yes what God does might be practicable if we were shown how, but since we don't know how he raised the dead by speaking, it remains a Miracle to us, Science to him!" |
| Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by ahckmedkosy(m): 7:57pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
uzolexis:Do you believe that God knows all the wrongs n right things u will Do tomorrow? Do you also believe that He knows when you will leave this world? God said "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy".. unless you can count the number of hairs on ur head, one shouldn't question God |
| Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by kayor62: 8:07pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
Dekatron:U hate abortion but ur book allows it so are u going against ur God? U support sex with protection even if it is illegal sex but u dislike abortion, what an insult to God? |
| Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by omoarole: 8:07pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
HARDDON:You are totally missing the whole point. Read my post again. I have only lauded the criticism of the modern mind. You yourself have clearly stated what I know you call miracles. Tell me a "miracle" that you can explain. You certainly cannot. Because the day you can explain a miracle is the day it ceases to be one. And that is what science is all about. Determining the reasons why things are, and explaining what heretofore, has been unexplainable. Most Christians like to say that Christianity is a way of life. All religions are ways of life, and science is a way of life too. It doesn't make it less a religion than any other. Science will NEVER claim to know everything. That's impossible. By the nature of science itself, it is antithetical to believe there is an end to knowledge, talk less of an embodiment of the total knowledge there is. But you cannot but laud science in its own ways. Many diseases that for ages have ravaged mankind have been conquered by science. Science has allowed us to understand what beliefs have made us not comprehend. If not for the scientific mind, we would not have achieved leaps and bounds in prolonging life and reducing mortality. Christianity has not brought an improved maternal mortality or infant mortality rates. Science has. And all those health related miracles that you mentioned have not once been confirmed independently. And if they really happened, I bet that science will have the answer in due time. That's science. It always questions and looks for answers. Molecular and Human genetics have brought us a whole world of answers about the origins of man. Science makes us question. The bible says God formed man from the dust of the earth. Science has proved that organic matter is similar to dirt. Science does not antagonise religion, rather it helps the modern mind to understand God. Have you ever wondered why God never aged through the bible? Have you ever thought that there might be a scientific explanation for that? Maybe he is the same yesterday today and forever for a scientific reason....because He has conquered time and space.....which is the next frontier in science. Right now, scientists have built mathematical models to demonstrate that breaching space -time continuum is possible, and laboratory testing is ongoing. What most people fail to realise is this: Christianity and other religions are man's way to understand and comprehend the concept of God....science helps us to improve this comprehension by understanding ourselves and growing therein. Everyone thinks their "religion cum way-of-life is the only way to immortality, but if they stop to think a little and follow the path of seeking for understanding and knowledge, they might actually realise that God is not as far away as they think. So, dear friend, it is my belief that science seeks to explain our universe.....and it is every man's duty to himself and posterity to seek the path of knowledge and science.....because I almost certain (without committing the falacy of pseudoscience) that the end of the path of science is an understanding of the concept of God. |
| Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by sonmvayina(m): 8:10pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
sylvalord:they are different gods...the old testament is purely a Jewish thingy...and was written prior to the invasion of Palestine by the Jewish priest and rabbi, the new testament was purely influenced by the roman and Greeks who had come to the scene now, they have different concept of god..the Jews have no idea if Satan and god were different, the was the Romans and Greeks that separated them.with their own concept, which in turn was influenced by Zoroastrianism............ |
| Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by sonmvayina(m): 8:15pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
Yinkame123:they where written by different people and influenced by different ideologies..they are 2 different gods...that is the painful truth. |
| Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by omozu1(m): 8:15pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
freecocoa:[quote author=freecocoa post=38649752] ![]() My dear you are lost and jesus is looking for you to safe you like a lost sheep that is about to eating by the wolf. (Devil) I was once like you insulting and cursing God and even working against the move of the gosple but today i am on his side living in peace. My dear come out of that anger you are hidding and let God help you and you will be glad you did. |
| Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by Audraey(f): 8:16pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
Before you conclude, why not verify from different versions? Numbers 5 wasn't talking about abortion. It never said the woman was pregnant. Also, try to move up, I mean read maybe like 5 verses before and after. Numbers 5:11-31 is all about protecting marital faithfulness. Lemme post some versions here starting from verse 11-31; NLT; Numbers 5:11-31 And the lord said to Moses, “Give the following instructions to the people of Israel.“Suppose a man’s wife goes astray, and she is unfaithful to her husband and has sex with another man, but neither her husband nor anyone else knows about it. She has defiled herself, even though there was no witness and she was not caught in the act. If her husband becomes jealous and is suspicious of his wife and needs to know whether or not she has defiled herself, the husband must bring his wife to the priest. He must also bring an offering of two quarts of barley flour to be presented on her behalf. Do not mix it with olive oil or frankincense, for it is a jealousy offering—an offering to prove whether or not she is guilty. “The priest will then present her to stand trial before the lord. He must take some holy water in a clay jar and pour into it dust he has taken from the Tabernacle floor. When the priest has presented the woman before the lord, he must unbind her hair and place in her hands the offering of proof—the jealousy offering to determine whether her husband’s suspicions are justified. The priest will stand before her, holding the jar of bitter water that brings a curse to those who are guilty. The priest will then put the woman under oath and say to her, ‘If no other man has had sex with you, and you have not gone astray and defiled yourself while under your husband’s authority, may you be immune from the effects of this bitter water that brings on the curse. But if you have gone astray by being unfaithful to your husband, and have defiled yourself by having sex with another man—’ “At this point the priest must put the woman under oath by saying, ‘May the people know that the lord’s curse is upon you when he makes you infertile, causing your womb to shrivel and your abdomen to swell. Now may this water that brings the curse enter your body and cause your abdomen to swell and your womb to shrivel.’ And the woman will be required to say, ‘Yes, let it be so.’ And the priest will write these curses on a piece of leather and wash them off into the bitter water. He will make the woman drink the bitter water that brings on the curse. When the water enters her body, it will cause bitter suffering if she is guilty. “The priest will take the jealousy offering from the woman’s hand, lift it up before the lord, and carry it to the altar. He will take a handful of the flour as a token portion and burn it on the altar, and he will require the woman to drink the water. If she has defiled herself by being unfaithful to her husband, the water that brings on the curse will cause bitter suffering. Her abdomen will swell and her womb will shrink, and her name will become a curse among her people. But if she has not defiled herself and is pure, then she will be unharmed and will still be able to have children. “This is the ritual law for dealing with suspicion. If a woman goes astray and defiles herself while under her husband’s authority, or if a man becomes jealous and is suspicious that his wife has been unfaithful, the husband must present his wife before the lord, and the priest will apply this entire ritual law to her. The husband will be innocent of any guilt in this matter, but his wife will be held accountable for her sin.” AMP; Numbers 5:11-31 And the Lord said to Moses, Say to the Israelites, If any man's wife goes astray and commits an offense of guilt against him, And a man lies with her carnally, and it is hidden from the eyes of her husband and it is kept secret though she is defiled, and there is no witness against her nor was she taken in the act, And if the spirit of jealousy comes upon him and he is jealous and suspicious of his wife who has defiled herself–or if the spirit of jealousy comes upon him and he is jealous and suspicious of his wife though she has not defiled herself– Then shall the man bring his wife to the priest, and he shall bring the offering required of her, a tenth of an ephah of barley meal; but he shall pour no oil upon it nor put frankincense on it [symbols of favor and joy], for it is a cereal offering of jealousy and suspicion, a memorial offering bringing iniquity to remembrance. And the priest shall bring her near and set her before the Lord. And the priest shall take holy water [probably from the sacred laver] in an earthen vessel and take some of the dust that is on the floor of the tabernacle and put it in the water. And the priest shall set the woman before the Lord, and let the hair of the woman's head hang loose, and put the meal offering of remembrance in her hands, which is the jealousy and suspicion offering. And the priest shall have in his hand the water of bitterness that brings the curse. Then the priest shall make her take an oath, and say to the woman, If no man has lain with you and if you have not gone astray to uncleanness with another instead of your husband, then be free from any effect of this water of bitterness which brings the curse. But if you have gone astray and you are defiled, some man having lain with you beside your husband, Then the priest shall make the woman take the oath of the curse, and say to the woman, The Lord make you a curse and an oath among your people when the Lord makes your thigh fall away and your body swell. May this water that brings the curse go into your bowels and make your body swell and your thigh fall away. And the woman shall say, So let it be, so let it be. The priest shall then write these curses in a book and shall wash them off into the water of bitterness; And he shall cause the woman to drink the water of bitterness that brings the curse, and the water that brings the curse shall enter into her [to try her] bitterly. Then the priest shall take the cereal offering of jealousy and suspicion out of the woman's hand and shall wave the offering before the Lord and offer it upon the altar. And the priest shall take a handful of the cereal offering as the memorial portion of it and burn it on the altar, and afterward shall cause the woman to drink the water. And when he has made her drink the water, then if she is defiled and has committed a trespass against her husband, the curse water which she drank shall be bitterness and cause her body to swell and her thigh to fall away, and the woman shall be a curse among her people. But if the woman is not defiled and is clean, then she shall be free [from the curse] and be able to have children. This is the law of jealousy and suspicion when a wife goes aside to another instead of her husband and is defiled, Or when the spirit of jealousy and suspicion comes upon a man and he is jealous and suspicious of his wife; then shall he set the woman before the Lord, and the priest shall execute on her all this law. The [husband] shall be free from iniquity and guilt, and that woman [if guilty] shall bear her iniquity. GNT; Numbers 5:11-31 The Lord commanded Moses to give the Israelites the following instructions. It may happen that a man becomes suspicious that his wife is unfaithful to him and has defiled herself by having intercourse with another man. But the husband may not be certain, for his wife may have kept it secret—there was no witness, and she was not caught in the act. Or it may happen that a husband becomes suspicious of his wife, even though she has not been unfaithful. ... In either case the man shall take his wife to the priest. He shall also take the required offering of two pounds of barley flour, but he shall not pour any olive oil on it or put any incense on it, because it is an offering from a suspicious husband, made to bring the truth to light. The priest shall bring the woman forward and have her stand in front of the altar. He shall pour some holy water into a clay bowl and take some of the earth that is on the floor of the Tent of the Lord's presence and put it in the water to make it bitter. Then he shall loosen the woman's hair and put the offering of flour in her hands. In his hands the priest shall hold the bowl containing the bitter water that brings a curse. Then the priest shall make the woman agree to this oath spoken by the priest: “If you have not committed adultery, you will not be harmed by the curse that this water brings. But if you have committed adultery, may the Lord make your name a curse among your people. May he cause your genital organs to shrink and your stomach to swell up. May this water enter your stomach and cause it to swell up and your genital organs to shrink.”The woman shall respond, “I agree; may the Lord do so.” Then the priest shall write this curse down and wash the writing off into the bowl of bitter water. Before he makes the woman drink the water, which may then cause her bitter pain, the priest shall take the offering of flour out of the woman's hands, hold it out in dedication to the Lord, and present it on the altar. Then he shall take a handful of it as a token offering and burn it on the altar. Finally, he shall make the woman drink the water. If she has committed adultery, the water will cause bitter pain; her stomach will swell up and her genital organs will shrink. Her name will become a curse among her people. But if she is innocent, she will not be harmed and will be able to bear children. This is the law in cases where a man is jealous and becomes suspicious that his wife has committed adultery. The woman shall be made to stand in front of the altar, and the priest shall perform this ritual. ... The husband shall be free of guilt, but the woman, if guilty, must suffer the consequences. Lemme stop here for now. My network isn't allowing me view other versions properly. Don't just read the bible on the surface but study and understand what it means. Some words may mean otherwise but in relation. |
| Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by HARDDON: 8:22pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
neocortex:Need i? Probably wud have if we still seek atornement tru d blood of goats, pigs and peageons. But we aint, question is therefore, out of place. Wud have if we are still locked out and a priest goes into d holies of holies to burn incenta n mediate for us. Nonetheleas, op got it all twisted: basic english calls any sentence starting with IF a conditional statement n wen scripting, we use it in nested loops to forstall or out think certain processes that might arise in d future.... strigent laws that installed to forestall evil occurences because d heart of man is deaperately wicked. Nigeria has a law agaisnt gays, so b4 u indulge, u know exactly d consequences does that mean Nigeria support gayism? See? |
| Re: Does The Bible Support Abortion? Numbers Chapter 5 by Audraey(f): 8:23pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
Secondly, away from the long note up. It wasn't about abortion. It was about cleansing the woman's belly from the filthiness of her unfaithfulness. As far as it was never recorded that the lady conceived due to her unfaithfulness, don't just post blindly. As at then, the swelling of her bowels and falling of her tighs is just to enable people know that she cheated on her husband. |
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If God is already knows those who will make heaven why bother ourselves trying to live a righteous life cos no matter how hard we try, we can't make it anyway if God says we wont make it. So God has favourites and treats his favourites better than others, he cursed Esau from the womb and blessed Jacob, why would he do that