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Truckpusher:
I have vowed not to engage these people anymore , leave them alone - let them run along with their warped ideologies that are tainted with lies from the pit of hell.

Simply put , some people have refused to learn from history and that would be their ultimate downfall.

I thought you guys "have made peace and licked your wounds". Why use such unsavoury language on people you are at peace with?? Lmao..

Morning bro.

Truth is, even though we go at each others' throats on the forum and threaten to roast ourselves in the crater of Mount Vesuvius, our opinion here accounts for just about nothing in the grand scheme of things in the outside world especially as regards the heritage and destinies of the various ethnic nationalities in the country.

Come on guys, even the entire population on the forum, including visitors, aren't up to 2mill. When you put that figure into perspective, you'd realise just how needless these e-fights are.

patrick89:
you are the most sophisticated ignorant I have ever seen! Ndoki have a page where they discuss their problem and you're are here saying that igbos created them! Now I know your plans! Everybody should be very wary of these people ooh!

I saw no discussion there, not even likes up to 5 in the post on there. That page doesn't speak for Ndoki.

Ndoki is not ibo but ijaw. Swallow the bitter pill.

TonyeBarcanista:
The Ndokis(Ijaws) only came in contact with Igbos in Umunoha, Owerri and Ndizurogu.


I am not the narrator, it is the people that is telling their origin. We always allow people speak for themselves.

As an Oguta man I believe I am in a better position to correct most of your fallacies and that of others like Ogba who cannot differenciate Benin empire from Bini, Igbo and Ijaw tribes. Benin empire had these groups and when the agha Idu n'Oba broke out Igbos, Ijaws and some Edo moved Eastwards. The truth is that everyone still spoke his language and you can identify each migrant from their language. For example Degema in Rivers State was an Edo migrant town and still retains Edo language. The evidence is in the language. Many of the Ijaw speaking groups are from ancient Bini just like many Igbo speaking groups. Oguta is a melting point of these groups.

Ndoki was likely an Arochukwu slave expedition that took inland route from Oguta via Umunoha et al trying to reach Bonny through Imo River. Umunoha and Ozuzu are the Aro base of real Ikwerre origin. They migrated via Ohaji and Etche also alongside Aros en route Isiokpo for same slave trade. If true historians decide to dig the true origin of people occupying Rivers State today 80% or more will end up in Igbo hinterland.

IsraeliAIRFORCE:
I thought you have grown.

Do you see me debate on issues bothering on people's sub-consciousness declaration of what they are or not.

As Mallam Sanusi said, before the coming of the Europeans, there wasn't any people in Nigeria associated with ethnic grouping as we have them today rather people were known by their clans and nothing more hence it is invariably a waste of energy, productive time and imposition of alternative school of thought that engender strife, antagonism, sow hatred among friends and divide people with common interest hence these irreconcilable arguments are meant to be avoided and left for overriding mutual benefits to sort out for posterity.

I have learned over time to avoid indulging in debates that I know will end, not only inconclusively but also kills further debate. These include group debates bothering on religion, cultural supremacy, political supremacy and hero worship.

The above listed banana pills are normally overcomed by mutual beneficial interests, trade, inter-marriages and education.

Stop killing your career with inconsequential debates that have no bearing on your livelihood, happiness and political interest.

A word is enough for the wise.

This is the best comment/advice I have seen ever on Nairaland. God bless brother.

TonyeBarcanista:
1. Was there an actual war in the Benin empire...Yes!
To what extent and bla bla? Please google will do the job or better still a Bini man or anyone else that is vast with Benin Empire history.

2. Did you see them tell you that there were people there that they met? Perhaps you know who to reach... The Ndokis in Abia.

3. It is for them to determine but from their own article, they still never forgets their Ijaw roots. Anyway, it is for them.

Please, I will appreciate if you understand that I'm telling from their own story..not mine. The crux of the matter is that the Ndokis in rivers are more in tune with their Ijawness. In fact, I believe the right of everyone to decide. Though I've catched two impostors.

When I say most nationalities in Niger delta including Ndoki,Ikwerre, ika, Anioma are descended of benin, all these Igbo land grabbers will start making noise. They dont know history.

I summary, there is no Igbo in Niger delta. You only have some nationalities who have interacted with Igbo for a long time and borrow some Igbo culture along the way. That does not make them Igbo.

Today we from edo state from benin understand the following fact and we accept it completely:
Ikwerre is Ikwerre. They are no longer Benin and where never Igbo.
Ika is Ika. They are no longer Benin and where never Igbo.
Anioma is Anioma. They are no longer Benin and where never Igbo.
Esan is Esan. they are no longer Benin.
Ndoki is Ndoki. They are no longer Benin and where never Igbo.
Urhobo is Urhobo. They are no longer benin.
Isoko is Isoko. they are no longer benin
Itsekiri is Itsekiri. they are no longer benin or yoruba

These niger delta nationalities are now developed enough to be a complete tribe of thier own.
The fact that they have common acestry from benin, does not mean they cant be a tribe of thier own.
After all we all came from Adam and Eve including Arab, chinese, europeans etc.

Igbo should allow these nationalities be. They are not Igbo but distinct nationalities.
Igbo should grow up and move on.

Fulani, yoruba, Igbo, chinese are all product of adam and eve. but today are distinct nationalities.
Therefore all niger Delta ethnic nationalities are distinct nationalities.

Igbo please leave Niger delta alone

TonyeBarcanista:
I always avoid ethnicdebates. However, I saw lots of falsehood hence my piece. Not to debate or argue to to set record straight for others.

That is your problem. The term falsehood is relative and never absolute in this context hence can never be conclusively proven when dealing with diverse opinions especially in areas and issues you are not a notable and established "scholarly" authority.

For example, a Professor's opinion presented as "Fact" can cost him/her his profession and career hence the cost benefit of believing him to certain degree is effective.

You don't go quoting every opinion and politically motivated write-ups as evidence to support your assertion "without" a marginal input from yourself garnered over time on the said topical issues".

As I said before, stop indulging into irreconcilable debates that have the tendency of killing mutual symbiotic interests and benefits that provide the vaccine for healing ethnic faultlines and irreconcilable claims.


Stop killing your career, your fan base is your political authority and bargaining capital.

juicee1:
I saw no discussion there, not even likes up to 5 in the post on there. That page doesn't speak for Ndoki.

Ndoki is not ibo but ijaw. Swallow the bitter pill.

see people we will be arguing with! Provide us a page of ndoki people filled with ijaw names.

patrick89:
see people we will be arguing with! Provide us a page of ndoki people filled with ijaw names.

is Rotimi amaechi a yoruba man? is goodluck Jonathan a white man?

omenka:
I thought you guys "have made peace and licked your wounds". Why use such unsavoury language on people you are at peace with?? Lmao..

Morning bro.

Truth is, even though we go at each others' throats on the forum and threaten to roast ourselves in the crater of Mount Vesuvius, our opinion here accounts for just about nothing in the grand scheme of things in the outside world especially as regards the heritage and destinies of the various ethnic nationalities in the country.

Come on guys, even the entire population on the forum, including visitors, aren't up to 2mill. When you put that figure into perspective, you'd realise just how needless these e-fights are.

Yeah , you're right but some outrageous lies can't be ignored even if it is not necessary - somebody gotta call them out.

atbu1983:
When I say most nationalities in Niger delta including Ndoki,Ikwerre, ika, Anioma are descended of benin, all these Igbo land grabbers will start making noise. They dont know history.

I summary, there is no Igbo in Niger delta. You only have some nationalities who have interacted with Igbo for a long time and borrow some Igbo culture along the way. That does not make them Igbo.

Today we from edo state from benin understand the following fact and we accept it completely:
Ikwerre is Ikwerre. They are no longer Benin
Ika is Ika. they are no longer Benin.
Anioma is Anioma. they are no longer Benin.
Esan is Esan. they are no longer Benin.
Ndoki is Ndoki. they are no longer benin.

These niger delta nationalities are now developed enough to be a complete tribe of thier own.
The fact that they have common acestry from benin, does not mean they are no longer a tribe of thier own.
After all we all came from Adam and Eve including Arab, chinese, europeans etc.

Igbo should allow these nationalities be. They are not Igbo but distinct nationalities.
Igbo should grow up and move on.

Fulani, yoruba, Igbo, chinese are all product of adam and eve. but today are distinct nationalities.
Therefore all niger Delta ethnic nationalities are distinct nationalities.

Igbo please leave Niger delta alone

igbo is just a language spoken by different tribes. Why do you think there's much disunity among the SE people with each being clannish? Nigeria and ojukwu made them see themselves as one under an umbrella called ibo. The other ibo speaking tribes in the SS are equivalent to africans and the world over speaking english but aren't british.

TonyeBarcanista:
This was an Excerpt of a piece on a special report titles ..
Special Report: The Position And Marginalization Of Ndoki Ethnic Nationality

Written and compiled by:
Comrade Henry O. Nwaigwe
Youth Coordinator
Ndoki Youth Federation and
Ohuru Youth Grand Alliance
08062836738.
www.chidioparareports..co.ke/2014/09/special-report-position-and_2.html?m=1

I dare anyone to provide any historical literature that goes against this. I want to maintain that Ndokis are 100% Ijaws. The Ndokis in Rivers know this. Those in Abia though realise this but having mixed with the Igbos, I will hold my piece.

and ur source is chidiopara blog ?? Wtf ... !? How are we sure dat u're not the owner of dat blog?

Is these the best u can think of ? U're now bereft of knowledge ...

omenka:
I thought you guys "have made peace and licked your wounds". Why use such unsavoury language on people you are at peace with?? Lmao..

Morning bro.

Truth is, even though we go at each others' throats on the forum and threaten to roast ourselves in the crater of Mount Vesuvius, our opinion here accounts for just about nothing in the grand scheme of things in the outside world especially as regards the heritage and destinies of the various ethnic nationalities in the country.

Come on guys, even the entire population on the forum, including visitors, aren't up to 2mill. When you put that figure into perspective, you'd realise just how needless these e-fights are.

this APC, are u now a peace maker?

Here's an excerpt from a book titled "Political Organization in Nigeria Since the Late Stone Age: A History of the Igbo People".

The Op is gradually going bananas...

Its a shame I used to take him serious... I have learnt from my mistake.

meforyou1:
this APC, are u now a peace maker?

Is someone at war

atbu1983:
When I say most nationalities in Niger delta including Ndoki,Ikwerre, ika, Anioma are descended of benin, all these Igbo land grabbers will start making noise. They dont know history.

I summary, there is no Igbo in Niger delta. You only have some nationalities who have interacted with Igbo for a long time and borrow some Igbo culture along the way. That does not make them Igbo.

Today we from edo state from benin understand the following fact and we accept it completely:
Ikwerre is Ikwerre. They are no longer Benin and where never Igbo.
Ika is Ika. They are no longer Benin and where never Igbo.
Anioma is Anioma. They are no longer Benin and where never Igbo.
Esan is Esan. they are no longer Benin.
Ndoki is Ndoki. They are no longer Benin and where never Igbo.
Urhobo is Urhobo. They are no longer benin.
Isoko is Isoko. they are no longer benin
Itsekiri is Itsekiri. they are no longer benin or yoruba

These niger delta nationalities are now developed enough to be a complete tribe of thier own.
The fact that they have common acestry from benin, does not mean they cant be a tribe of thier own.
After all we all came from Adam and Eve including Arab, chinese, europeans etc.

Igbo should allow these nationalities be. They are not Igbo but distinct nationalities.
Igbo should grow up and move on.

Fulani, yoruba, Igbo, chinese are all product of adam and eve. but today are distinct nationalities.
Therefore all niger Delta ethnic nationalities are distinct nationalities.

Igbo please leave Niger delta alone

I don't get you, tonyebarcanista said they re ijaws, and you re saying they re benin too.
Is ijaws benin too? #confuse

atbu1983:
is Rotimi amaechi a yoruba man? is goodluck Jonathan a white man?

You are talking rubbish! Visit their page they speak igbo! All these things you low lives are doing to ndigbo will backfire oooh! You don't know ndigbo people ooh, when you try to do that evil to them you will end up helping them! You should be concerned about you Bini tribe...

Truckpusher:
Yeah , you're right but some outrageous lies can't be ignored even if it is note necessary - somebody gotta call them out.

hello dear, is that you on that pix? Why the name truckpusher ?

Here's an excerpt from a book titled "Political Organization in Nigeria Since the Late Stone Age: A History of the Igbo People".

anachy:
hello dear, is that you on that pix? Why the name truckpusher ?

Forget about the inscription on the car and hop in.

TonyeBarcanista:
1. Was there an actual war in the Benin empire...Yes!
To what extent and bla bla? Please google will do the job or better still a Bini man or anyone else that is vast with Benin Empire history.

2. Did you see them tell you that there were people there that they met? Perhaps you know who to reach... The Ndokis in Abia.

3. It is for them to determine but from their own article, they still never forgets their Ijaw roots. Anyway, it is for them.

Please, I will appreciate if you understand that I'm telling from their own story..not mine. The crux of the matter is that the Ndokis in rivers are more in tune with their Ijawness. In fact, I believe the right of everyone to decide. Though I've catched two impostors.

I see you don't even believe in what you posted. The fact of the matter is that, there is no record of war in Benin empire in 15th Century. In actual history, Benin Kingdom experienced peace, and growth in this era.

By the 15th century, Edo as a system of protected settlements expanded into a thriving city-state. In the 15th century, the twelfth Oba in line,

Oba Ewuare the Great (1440–1473) would expand the city-state to an empire.

It was not until the 15th century during the reign of Oba Ewuare the Great that the kingdom's administrative centre, the city Ubinu, began to be known as Benin City by the Portuguese, and would later be adopted by the locals as well. Before then, due to the pronounced ethnic diversity at the kingdom's headquarters during the 15th century from the successes of Oba Ewuare, the earlier name ('Ubinu') by a tribe of the Edos was colloquially spoken as "Bini" by the mix of Itsekhiri, Esan, Ika, Ijaw Edo, Urhobo living together in the royal administrative centre of the kingdom. The Portuguese would write this down as Benin City. Though, farther Edo clans, such as the Itsekiris and the Urhobos still referred to the city as Ubini up till the late 19th century, as evidence implies.

Aside from Benin City, the system of rule of the Oba in his kingdom, even through the golden age of the kingdom, was still loosely based after the Ogiso dynasty, which was military and royal protection in exchange of use of resources and implementation of taxes paid to the royal administrative centre. Language and culture was not enforced but remained heterogeneous and localized according to each group within the kingdom, though a local "Enogie" (duke) was often appointed by the Oba for specified ethnic areas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benin_Empire

There goes, into blazes, the premise of your Ndoki/Ijo Benin 15th century migration theory, and it's subsequent argument.

So whoever put up that trashy 15th Century war theory, doesn't know what's he's talking about. It's surely does not support your Ndoki migration theory, as it is built on a false 15th Century Benin civil war.

Ugomba:
This is why I said, Anything Niger Delta Republic, count the Anioma Nation out because this is how confused it is going to be! We will rather be in a Federalised Nigeria.

Ugomba! Na him talk dis tin?

forgiveness:
Ugomba! Na him talk dis tin?

what do u mean?

IGBOPRINCE:
Hahaha..
Bro, igbos re not your cousins biko. Is like you don't know the meaning of cousin.

Bro, this your new distorted history eeh, I am certain that you re in pained.


Ndigbos will continued to torments you. We shall bring back the old habits of you.

Don't worry, we re watching you.

Ekenedegreat, vicotex, pezienza, tonychristopher. This guy is in pained with our comments.

Hahahaha, ndoki is ijaws, go there and claimed them na.

Anuofia.

Bros u dey mind them ..ndoki is ijaw opobo is ijaw even uguta and etche are all ijaw ...no mind them


They should be contented with their creeks and swampy environment.. They are aquatic and have nothing to do on the land....who are his cousins anyway ?

Ike gwuru


We know our cousins and our friends then ijaws are neighbours and that is just where it all ends

Simple and short

Cousin kwa
Nephew kwa


Madu ka ana aria

fastestfinger:
bro,the ijaws in bonny and opobo are immigrants who were allowed to stay as traders and potters.IGBO is the language of choice in those two towns...AM BEGINNING TO THINK ITS TIME WE FOCUS ON THIS IJAW LAND GRABBERS CUM EXPANSIONIST AND PUT THEM IN THEIR RIGHTFUL PLACE ONCE AND FOR ALL!!

So Igbo was the language of choice in those two towns? So the towns were igbos towns before them came no be so ?

Ugomba:
This is why I said, Anything Niger Delta Republic, count the Anioma Nation out because this is how confused it is going to be! We will rather be in a Federalised Nigeria.

Nwanne no mind them ...you will see very soon they will say anioma is ijaw,they tried anioma is benin it did not work they said anioma is Yoruba is still did not work



Wait for them they will say anioma is ijaw soones


I wonder why they want to associate with Igbo by hook or crook

They just love Igbo

tonychristopher:
Bros u dey mind them ..ndoki is ijaw opobo is ijaw even uguta and etche are all ijaw ...no mind them


They should be contented with their creeks and swampy environment.. They are aquatic and have nothing to do on the land....who are his cousins anyway ?

Ike gwuru


We know our cousins and our friends then ijaws are neighbours and that is just where it all ends

Simple and short

Cousin kwa
Nephew kwa


Madu ka ana aria

my brother, we should stop seeing ijaws as cousins. We re not cousin. They don't know the meaning of cousin, they re our neighbours who can turn to our enemies tomorrow,the lands they occupied in ph is due to igbos abandoned properties and lands saga, they gained entry to claimed ph today due to abandoned lands and properties saga in the 60s,
however,this ijaws people re not our cousin, They re too black like the ghanians,and we igbos re different from them.

Pls it s time to protects oguta before tonyebarcanista and truckpusher lay claims to them.

Very confused set of people lol. We will help them out as big bro.

Observant:
So Igbo was the language of choice in those two towns? So the towns were igbos towns before them came no be so ?

Exactly!

Observant:
So Igbo was the language of choice in those two towns? So the towns were igbos towns before them came no be so ?

not "was", "is"...till today.

tonychristopher:
Bros u dey mind them ..ndoki is ijaw opobo is ijaw even uguta and etche are all ijaw ...no mind them


They should be contented with their creeks and swampy environment.. They are aquatic and have nothing to do on the land....who are his cousins anyway ?

Ike gwuru


We know our cousins and our friends then ijaws are neighbours and that is just where it all ends

Simple and short

Cousin kwa
Nephew kwa


Madu ka ana aria

Abeg i dey office, make i no laff out loud b4 my boss think say i don dey mad

Vicotex:
Abeg i dey office, make i no laff out loud b4 my boss think say i don dey mad

Lol na so na