₦airaland Forum

overhypedsteve:
A big fish in the tiny west African pond or the big fish in the west African pond it doesn't really matter. All we ask is that you respect our laws when you do business here.

There is nothing about respect the law here. MTN was a target because is part of SA investment. MTN workers are bona fide Nigerians from the board to the CEO to the workers. How can they not respect the law from which they were born? Are you dey craze?

Msauza:
There is nothing about respect the law here. MTN was a target because is part of SA investment. MTN workers are bona fide Nigerians from the board to the CEO to the workers. How can they not respect the law from which they were born? Are you dey craze?

That fine is not justified

Msauza:
This is what we call insanity at its best. Do you mean MTN has not been paying taxes in Nigeria?

Transfer pricing is not a tax evasion, hence is not a crime. It is just a business strategy. Just like when you are a billionaire to avoid paying more tax will mean to make donations, sponsoring community projects and prestigious awards; and offer scholarships and bursaries to the needy. MTN has been doing just that by doing something which governments will not do with their money because of chronic corruption. You Nigerians including your journalists don't know how business work.

You are indeed more than the word MAD.

lol..me mad? Your kind cant deal with the truth unfortunately

iterator24:
lol..me mad? Your kind cant deal with the truth unfortunately

You are really in denial to admit that the fine was more personal that can be justified.

Msauza:
You are really in denial to admit that the fine was more personal that can be justified.

Go to twitter searching this #MTN #NCC

Msauza:
You are really in denial to admit that the fine was more personal that can be justified.

Go to twitter search this #MTN #NCC

MTN TO PAY

Chai!! Our Zulu brothers go tear shirt for this news [size=8pt][/size]

While pleading for staggered payment model, MTN has finally bowed to pressure as it has accepted to pay the N1.04 trillion fine slammed on it last week by the telecoms regulatory authority, the Nigerian Communications Commission (NCC).
Accordingly, the telecoms operator was fine for violating its directive on SIM deactivation.
This follows series of meeting held between MTN management team from South Africa and Nigeria with the Vice President, Prof. Yemi Osinbajo.
The telecoms operator which has largest subscriber base in Nigeria, it was gathered, may have agreed to pay the fine to sustain the interest of its telecoms business.
Industry sources who confirmed the new arrangement, disclosed that the federal government is already yielding to the plea, which according to him, was part of the agreement reached at the series of meeting held at the weekend in Nigeria.
“There have been series of meeting at the Presidency between the Vice President Osinbajo and MTN team both from South Africa and the Nigerian arm. MTN wanted a waiver considering their level of investments in the country, but government did not buy the idea of waiver. Instead, I think there will be concession, but certainly not a waiver. At the conclusion of the meeting, the MTN people negotiated on how to stagger the payment. The Presidency is even angry because MTN was a signatory to the regulation, but they are failing to comply with rules.”, the source added.
It would be recalled that NCC had said that MTN would not escape the fine, owing to the enormity of its implication to national security.
Although NCC had hinted that the issue is being handled by the federal government, the telecoms authority also noted that MTN would risk withdrawal of its licence if its fails to comply with the fine.
Even with the widespread calls for the intervention of the Office of the National Security Adviser (NSA), on the N1.04 trillion fine, Chief Femi Falana, a Senior Advocate of Nigeria (SAN), had last week called on the NSA not to intervene in the matter, adding that NCC regulation must take its course.
NCC said it had consistently engaged Mobile Network Operators, (MNOs) to strictly adhere to the regulations and its business rules in the registration of their subscribers.
Following several engagements, the Commission had confirmed various cases of violations of the regulations and sanctioned appropriately.

MTN bows to pressure, agrees to pay N1.04trn fine - Vanguard News
http://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/11/mtn-bows-to-pressure-agrees-to-pay-n1-04trn-fine/?utm_source=&utm_medium=twitter

5 bln - 19mln dollars = too much change to count

Let's hear you saffers drool over that 19mln again (which we are getting back by the way )

Patchesagain:
Ahh the usual Nigerian delusions of grandeur

A big fish in the tiny west african pond thinks its somehow relevant

Carefull not to take the bait boys

#DontFeedTheTroll

Shut up, Patrick, nairaland 's most insecure Denisovan.

Tell Zuma how irrelevant Nigeria is as Pretoria scurried to return the $15 arms deal money, As Zulu hierarchy scramble for the next available fligh to Lagos to plead for mtn to breath.

How irrelevant is Nigeria that your country has a substantial trade deficit worth over 40 billion.

How irrelevant is a country that has the largest economy on mother continent with a population 4 times yours whose youths are over 70%.

The difference between Nigeria and south Africa is we have a goal in sight and we pursue this goal with no hint of self'-delusion .


South Africa on the other hand is a confused mix of frightened Botha descendants and a large Zulu population, most of which are illiterate, misinformed and under the false impression that pre-apartheid south Africa is same as today's south Africa.

Your political class are made up of Zulu illiterates whose road-side drinking skills got them political offices.


You ,Patrick, are an imbecilitated white man who has been socially and emotionally conditioned to think , act and talk like a Zulu. You are a conquered man

You're empty, frightened and carrying a huge lug of Nigeria- phobia.
Reality will soon kill you.

Msauza:
Even if MTN loses Nigeria it will be just a drop in an ocean as analysts have detailed it. MTN is as well not in mercy of Naija and can equally play brave.

Mzubuluzu, please go to school. Mtn has 140 million subscribers world wide, Nigeria has 63 million in that number.


Is every south African too short to carry the weight of truth ? SMH

Msauza:
You are really in denial to admit that the fine was more personal that can be justified.

since everything is 'personal to you' here
http://m.news24.com/fin24/Tech/Companies/JSE-suspends-trading-in-MTN-shares-20151102

lezz:
Mzubuluzu , please go to school. Mtn has 140 million subscribers world wide, Nigeria has 63 million in that number.


Is every south African too short to carry the weight of truth ? SMH

lol

lezz:
Mzubuluzu, please go to school. Mtn has 140 million subscribers world wide, Nigeria has 63 million in that number.


Is every south African too short to carry the weight of truth ? SMH

Yes, 63 million slaves under the complete ownership of their Master, MTN. That's what happens when a nation cannot think for themselves. They become the source of wealth untold to more clever nations. Lesser beings you are.

BCraig:
Yes, 63 million slaves under the complete ownership of their Master, MTN. That's what happens when a nation cannot think for themselves. They become the source of wealth untold to more clever nations. Lesser beings you are.

you just went full ret@rd with this statement, how do you live with yourself? they told you mtn is the only telecoms company in NG? you're really pained bro

lezz:
Shut up, Patrick, nairaland 's most insecure Denisovan.

[s]Tell Zuma how irrelevant Nigeria is as Pretoria scurried to return the $15 alms deal money, As Zulu hierarchy scramble for the next available fligh to Lagos to plead for mtn to breath.

How irrelevant is Nigeria that your country has a substantial trade deficit worth over 40 billion.

How irrelevant is a country that has the largest economy on mother continent with a population 4 times yours whose youths are over 70%.

The difference between Nigeria and south Africa is we have a goal in sight and we pursue this goal with no hint of self'-delusion .


South Africa on the other hand is a confused mix of frightened Botha descendants and a large Zulu population, most of which are illiterate, misinformed and under the false impression that pre-apartheid south Africa is same as today's south Africa.

Your political class are made up of Zulu illiterates whose road-side drinking skills got them political offices.


You Patrick are an imbecilitated white man who has been social and emotionally conditioned to think , act and talk like a Zulu. You are a conquered man

You're empty, frightened and carrying a huge lug of Nigeria- phobia.
Reality will soon kill you.[/s]

No one cares about your opinion. I have debunked your statements so many times that I no longer derive any please from exposing the empty rhetoric of your posts.

But one last time shall we?

1. We did not scurry to return the money, we did so after you agreed to our terms.

2. How irrelevant is a country like Nigeria "the biggest economy in Africa" has only got a government revenue of $22 billion... while little old South Africa has a government revenue of $87 billion - OUR GOVERNMENT HAS 4X THE CAPITAL YOURS DOES
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2056.html

3. Mass population growth = mass problems. You are bigger than us, yet we have more money than you... whom is better off?

4. We have the most advanced economy on the continent

5. We have the most developed country on the continent
http://www.afdb.org/fileadmin/uploads/afdb/Documents/Publications/Economic_Brief_-_The_Africa_Infrastructure_Development_Index.pdf

6. We are amongst the most developed people on the continent - Nigerians amongst the least
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

7. We are the most technologically advanced country on the continent
http://answersafrica.com/top-10-most-technologically-advanced-countries-in-africa.html/2

8. You talk of literacy?
Literacy rate RSA: 86%
Literacy rate NIG: 68%
http://theafricaneconomist.com/ranking-of-african-countries-by-literacy-rate-zimbabwe-no-1/#.VjdjZvkrLcc

It is Nigeria whom is illiterate and mis-informed

But why stop there? Lets continue shall we!

Lets talk about diplomacy:

9. South Africa has 134 foreign embassies and comissions within its borders, Nigeria only 98

10. South Africa is a member of BRICS, Nigeria is not

11. South Africa is a member of the G20, Nigeria is not

[size=15pt]As you can see, by every measurable means, South Africa dwarfs Nigeria... you are children before us, children with delusions of grandeur, who play little games and think they are kings. You celebrate your "victories" and we just laugh, knowingly, you celebrate bullying MTN into paying a huge fine... we laugh as the International Markets draw a big red line through your countries name.

We rub shoulders with the rulers of the world. You rub shoulders with Boko Haram and Block Boys. Common thugs, the laughing stock of the world. [/size]

Patchesagain:
1. Oryx sling load is 4,500kg - LIAR

2. Provide proof Russia sold the tanks.

This guy - spends all day calling people liars and then comes and tells us lies about our own equipment... what a joke!

You were first to claim South Africa sold T-72 to Algeria, you FAILED to post one single citation of the sales, you coloreds are even more fraudulent than Zulus, and even less intelligent, ZERO achievement by Cape Colony coloreds except fabricating lies daily.

jln115:
1. The Cobra weighs 6200kg not 4800kg
2. The Oryx has a max takeoff weight of 8000kg and an empty weight of 3600kg, 8000-3600=? so even if the Cobra did weigh 4800kg the Oryx would still be unable to lift it.
3. Yes we sold them those T72s just like we sold them the Super Hinds......P.S we said we sell tanks, never did we say we manufacture them!!

Lastly I DONT GIVE A FVCK ABOUT MTN........Im at Vodacom anyway!!!

There is NO SINGLE CITATION in your post, white boy with dull Zulu brain

1. Cobra weight is dependent on load, yes it's minimum weight is 4,800 kg so Oryx will carry it.

"Max Weight: 6,200 kilogram
Min Weight: 4,800 kilogram"

http://www.deagel.com/Tactical-Vehicles/Cobra_a000678001.aspx

2. Oryx carries 6,000 kg on external sling you dummy !

"Oryx was first launched in 1991 as a transport helicopter for the SAAF. It can accommodate a crew of three members, 20 fully equipped troops or six wounded personnel on stretchers with four attendants. Oryx can carry 6,000kg of cargo on the external sling."

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/atlas-oryx/

3. Post a citation that says South Africa sold T-72 tanks to Algeria. You cannot sell T-72 to Algeria when the tanks were purchased from Russia, your youtube video says you upgraded them with fire control electronics, does that mean you own that tank and sold it? White people can be so fraudulent like you?

STOP MAKING YOURSELF LOOK LIKE A WHITE FOOL

agaugust:
You were first to claim South Africa sold T-72 to Algeria, you FAILED to post one single citation of the sales, you coloreds are even more fraudulent than Zulus, and even less intelligent, ZERO achievement by Cape Colony coloreds except fabricating lies daily.




There is NO SINGLE CITATION in your post, white boy with dull Zulu brain

1. Cobra weight is dependent on load, yes it's minimum weight is 4,800 kg so Oryx will carry it.

"Max Weight: 6,200 kilogram
Min Weight: 4,800 kilogram"

http://www.deagel.com/Tactical-Vehicles/Cobra_a000678001.aspx

2. Oryx carries 6,000 kg on external sling you dummy !

"Oryx was first launched in 1991 as a transport helicopter for the SAAF. It can accommodate a crew of three members, 20 fully equipped troops or six wounded personnel on stretchers with four attendants. Oryx can carry 6,000kg of cargo on the external sling."

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/atlas-oryx/

3. Post a citation that says South Africa sold T-72 tanks to Algeria. You cannot sell T-72 to Algeria when the tanks were purchased from Russia, your youtube video says you upgraded them with fire control electronics, does that mean you own that tank and sold it? White people can be so fraudulent like you?

STOP MAKING YOURSELF LOOK LIKE A WHITE FOOL

Dude!!! the max sling load for an Oryx is 4500kg!!! There's no fvckimg way that it would be able to lift 6 tons on a sling!!
http://www.aviationdimension.com/articles.php?aid=142

If you still don't believe me go check out the sling loads of other similar helicopters.....NOT ONE comes near 6 tons mate!!!! EVEN an Mi17 can only carry 4,5 tons on a sling!!!!
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/mi-17v-5-military-transport-helicopter/

Lastly the Cobra weighs 6+ tons mate and 5,2 Tons without weapon stations(Direct from the Manufacturer Leaflet):http://www.otokar.com/en-us/products/Pages/cobra.aspx http://www.military-today.com/apc/cobra.htm

Oh and lastly the MAMBA which is classified as a MRAP weighs only 5565kg .....and its also better protected than the Cobra.

jln115:
Dude!!! the max sling load for an Oryx is 4500kg!!! There's no fvckimg way that it would be able to lift 6 tons on a sling!!
http://www.aviationdimension.com/articles.php?aid=142

If you still don't believe me go check out the sling loads of other similar helicopters.....NOT ONE comes near 6 tons mate!!!! EVEN an Mi17 can only carry 4,5 tons on a sling!!!!
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/mi-17v-5-military-transport-helicopter/

Lastly the Cobra weighs 6+ tons mate and 5,2 Tons without weapon stations(Direct from the Manufacturer Leaflet):http://www.otokar.com/en-us/products/Pages/cobra.aspx http://www.military-today.com/apc/cobra.htm

Oh and lastly the MAMBA which is classified as a MRAP weighs only 5565kg .....and its also better protected than the Cobra.

1. Cobra weight is dependent on load, yes it's minimum weight is 4,800 kg so Oryx will carry it.

"Max Weight: 6,200 kilogram
Min Weight: 4,800 kilogram"

http://www.deagel.com/Tactical-Vehicles/Cobra_a000678001.aspx

Weapons station type and weight is a matter of user choice, Browning heavy machine gun weighs only about 40 kg, add to Cobra you have 4,840 kg and even if you say it's 5,200 kg, add Browning gun and its 5,240 kg so Oryx will carry it.


2. Oryx carries 6,000 kg on external sling according to air force technology, I don't care what Mi-17 carries, it's not the topic of argument.

"Oryx was first launched in 1991 as a transport helicopter for the SAAF. It can accommodate a crew of three members, 20 fully equipped troops or six wounded personnel on stretchers with four attendants. Oryx can carry 6,000kg of cargo on the external sling."

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/atlas-oryx/

Mamba does not have Cobra's interior instrumentation technology, TV camera, night vision equipment, amphibious capability, etc. Mamba is just an MRAP like a city transport bus for carrying people and saving them from land mines. It's far inferior technology compared to the Cobra's hi-tech capabilities loaded in the interior
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Patchesagain:
No one cares about your opinion. I have debunked your statements so many times that I no longer derive any please from exposing the empty rhetoric of your posts.

But one last time shall we?

1. We did not scurry to return the money, we did so after you agreed to our terms.

2. How irrelevant is a country like Nigeria "the biggest economy in Africa" has only got a government revenue of $22 billion... while little old South Africa has a government revenue of $87 billion - OUR GOVERNMENT HAS 4X THE CAPITAL YOURS DOES
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2056.html

3. Mass population growth = mass problems. You are bigger than us, yet we have more money than you... whom is better off?

4. We have the most advanced economy on the continent

5. We have the most developed country on the continent
http://www.afdb.org/fileadmin/uploads/afdb/Documents/Publications/Economic_Brief_-_The_Africa_Infrastructure_Development_Index.pdf

6. We are amongst the most developed people on the continent - Nigerians amongst the least
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

7. We are the most technologically advanced country on the continent
http://answersafrica.com/top-10-most-technologically-advanced-countries-in-africa.html/2

8. You talk of literacy?
Literacy rate RSA: 86%
Literacy rate NIG: 68%
http://theafricaneconomist.com/ranking-of-african-countries-by-literacy-rate-zimbabwe-no-1/#.VjdjZvkrLcc

It is Nigeria whom is illiterate and mis-informed

But why stop there? Lets continue shall we!

Lets talk about diplomacy:

9. South Africa has 134 foreign embassies and comissions within its borders, Nigeria only 98

10. South Africa is a member of BRICS, Nigeria is not

11. South Africa is a member of the G20, Nigeria is not

[size=15pt]As you can see, by every measurable means, South Africa dwarfs Nigeria... you are children before us, children with delusions of grandeur, who play little games and think they are kings. You celebrate your "victories" and we just laugh, knowingly, you celebrate bullying MTN into paying a huge fine... we laugh as the International Markets draw a big red line through your countries name.

We rub shoulders with the rulers of the world. You rub shoulders with Boko Haram and Block Boys. Common thugs, the laughing stock of the world. [/size]

You took the bait eventually . Patrick my slave.
I can sure swing your emotions like a car''s faulty fuel gauge.

Let me make you suffer once more

1) South Africa is the most unequal country in the world with a wealth distribution ration of 7% percent whites 85% destitute blacks.
http://www.moneyweb.co.za/archive/sa-most-unequal-country-on-earth-report-ahead-of-d/

2) For your educational system ,please read this : South Africa spends 20% of its budget on education, or 6.4% of GDP (considerably more than many other emerging market economies) and yet performs dismally in international comparisons. The World Economic Forum’s competitiveness index for 2012–2013 ranks South Africa’s overall education system at 140 out of 144 countries, and its maths and science education at 143 out of 144.

The minister of basic education, Angie Motshekga, denies there is a crisis. She must be blind: 1.2m children were enrolled in grade 1 in 2001, but only 44% stayed in the system to take their National Senior Certificate (NSC) in 2012. Only 12% of that grade 1 cohort ended up passing their NSC well enough to study for a university degree; and only 11% passed maths with a mark of 40% or above
http://gga.org/stories/editions/aif-15-off-the-mark/education-in-south-africa-where-did-it-go-wrong


3) You boast of an advanced economy that is underperforming even by African standards

An economy that shrinks and has been predicted negatively by all reputable international analyst. I can't see Japan boasting to China how advance its economy is. Your advance economy is for your 5 % white masters why the rest of the country is at par with Somalia and Burundi.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-25/south-africa-s-economic-woes-worsen-as-gdp-contracts-1-3-

4) South Africans are amongst the most uncivilised group in all of Africa, from zulu chanting xenophobic slaves who take pap and meat , to raping anything in sight including 89 year old women and 3 months infants.

South Africa are a group of hungry immigrant whites and tree-hopping baboon-bellowing zulus. The whites were forced by the rest of humanity to stop official racism, while the blacks are officially the last slaves of humanity. Xenophobic dogs.
South Africa is :
Drug headquarters
Rapę headquarters
Xenophobia headquarters
Murder headquarters
Crime headquarters
You want more ?


5 diplomacy? You have so much diplomacy yet you had to bribe to host a world cup when Nigeria challenged you to it ? Building blocks of embassies across the globe doesn't count for influence. Rookie. All your embassies were pre-apartheid attempts to keep the apartheid regime for as long as was possible.

Your diplomacy plus Mandela couldn't help you when a Nigerian military ruler positioned the rest of Africa to isolate you in 1996. History has recorded it as the Nigerian debacle.


6) mentioning brics and g20 means you still live in the past. Your gdp got you there and now it is irrelevant. Your MPs will look foolish and unsure when they attend such gatherings hence forth. You can't represent Africa anymore, son. You have lost big time. The size of your economy that got you in there has all withered away. Bwahahaha.



South Africa is a mere 50 million with a epileptic economy, inequality, escalating HIV rate amongst the population, poor school attendants, drug issues, social unrest and insecurities, high murder rates.

You are a nation of self-hype. Take off your rainbow blinders and see that south Africa is a nation of self-delusion and empty rhetorics

A nation of BEE : incompetence, official theft and unproductivity.

Allow leadership to come to you naturally and never by baseless ambition.


But the truth is even if Nigeria were to be wiped off the face of Africa, south Africa isn't next ; you aren't a natural leader.

N.B: PLEASE SHOW US WHAT CONDITIONS WERE MET BEFORE PRETORIA RETURN THE 15 MILLION ARMS MONEY. YOUR OWN PRESS SAY ZUMA TOOK THE CHANCE TO MEND FENCES WITH NIGERIA AND START ON A NEW PAGE. ZUMA KNOWS WHO'S BOSS AND WHAT S. A STANDS TO LOSE.

http://mg.co.za/article/2015-04-09-jacob-zumas-cash-plan-to-schmooze-nigeria



Sorry to ruffle your insecure feathers. Keep searching g for your elusive victory.

[s]

BCraig:
Yes, 63 million slaves under the complete ownership of their Master, MTN. That's what happens when a nation cannot think for themselves. They become the source of wealth untold to more clever nations. Lesser beings you are.

[/s] And another butt-scratching zulu comes forth in a primitive charge of senselessness.


Go read your comments, it is as empty as your head.

lezz:
You took the bait eventually . Patrick my slave.
I can sure swing your emotions like a car''s faulty fuel gauge.

Let me make you suffer once more

1) South Africa is the most unequal country in the world with a wealth distribution ration of 7% percent whites 85% destitute blacks.
http://www.moneyweb.co.za/archive/sa-most-unequal-country-on-earth-report-ahead-of-d/

2) For your educational system ,please read this : South Africa spends 20% of its budget on education, or 6.4% of GDP (considerably more than many other emerging market economies) and yet performs dismally in international comparisons. The World Economic Forum’s competitiveness index for 2012–2013 ranks South Africa’s overall education system at 140 out of 144 countries, and its maths and science education at 143 out of 144.

The minister of basic education, Angie Motshekga, denies there is a crisis. She must be blind: 1.2m children were enrolled in grade 1 in 2001, but only 44% stayed in the system to take their National Senior Certificate (NSC) in 2012. Only 12% of that grade 1 cohort ended up passing their NSC well enough to study for a university degree; and only 11% passed maths with a mark of 40% or above
http://gga.org/stories/editions/aif-15-off-the-mark/education-in-south-africa-where-did-it-go-wrong


3) You boast of an advanced economy that is underperforming even by African standards

An economy that shrinks and has been predicted negatively by all reputable international analyst. I can't see Japan boasting to China how advance its economy is. Your advance economy is for your 5 % white masters why the rest of the country is at par with Somalia and Burundi.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-25/south-africa-s-economic-woes-worsen-as-gdp-contracts-1-3-

4) South Africans are amongst the most uncivilised group in all of Africa, from zulu chanting xenophobic slaves who take pap and meat , to raping anything in sight including 89 year old women and 3 months infants.

South Africa are a group of hungry immigrant whites and tree-hopping baboon-bellowing zulus. The whites were forced by the rest of humanity to stop official racism, while the blacks are officially the last slaves of humanity. Xenophobic dogs.
South Africa is :
Drug headquarters
Rapę headquarters
Xenophobia headquarters
Murder headquarters
Crime headquarters
You want more ?


5 diplomacy? You have so much diplomacy yet you had to bribe to host a world cup when Nigeria challenged you to it ? Building blocks of embassies across the globe doesn't count for influence. Rookie. All your embassies were pre-apartheid attempts to keep the apartheid regime for as long as was possible.

Your diplomacy plus Mandela couldn't help you when a Nigerian military ruler positioned the rest of Africa to isolate you in 1996. History has recorded it as the Nigerian debacle.


6) mentioning brics and g20 means you still live in the past. Your gdp got you there and now it is irrelevant. Your MPs will look foolish and unsure when they attend such gatherings hence forth. You can't represent Africa anymore, son. You have lost big time. The size of your economy that got you in there has all withered away. Bwahahaha.



South Africa is a mere 50 million with a epileptic economy, inequality, escalating HIV rate amongst the population, poor school attendants, drug issues, social unrest and insecurities, high murder rates.

You are a nation of self-hype. Take off your rainbow blinders and see that south Africa is a nation of self-delusion and empty rhetorics

A nation of BEE : incompetence, official theft and unproductivity.

Allow leadership to come to you naturally and never by baseless ambition.


But the truth is even if Nigeria were to be wiped off the face of Africa, south Africa isn't next ; you aren't a natural leader.

N.B: PLEASE SHOW US WHAT CONDITIONS WERE MET BEFORE PRETORIA RETURN THE 15 MILLION ALMS MONEY. YOUR OWN PRESS SAY ZUMA TOOK THE CHANCE TO MEND FENCES WITH NIGERIA AND START ON A NEW PAGE. ZUMA KNOWS WHO'S BOSS AND WHAT S. A STANDS TO LOSE.

http://mg.co.za/article/2015-04-09-jacob-zumas-cash-plan-to-schmooze-nigeria



Sorry to ruffle your insecure feathers. Keep searching g for your elusive victory.

Amusing ...you can't effecietly counter argue anything the guy presented on top of your flathe..ad...dumbness on its best

lool....

Well done guy. U try sha.

But why do all these south africans develop a heart condition anytime they hear "Nigeria"

What's with all the jealousy and hatred from them

Anyway, whatever makes them sleep well at night.

For all my south african friends, please and please...

Sukk my big, fat, black tool

lezz:
You took the bait eventually . Patrick my slave.
I can sure swing your emotions like a car''s faulty fuel gauge.

Let me make you suffer once more

1) South Africa is the most unequal country in the world with a wealth distribution ration of 7% percent whites 85% destitute blacks.
http://www.moneyweb.co.za/archive/sa-most-unequal-country-on-earth-report-ahead-of-d/

2) For your educational system ,please read this : South Africa spends 20% of its budget on education, or 6.4% of GDP (considerably more than many other emerging market economies) and yet performs dismally in international comparisons. The World Economic Forum’s competitiveness index for 2012–2013 ranks South Africa’s overall education system at 140 out of 144 countries, and its maths and science education at 143 out of 144.

The minister of basic education, Angie Motshekga, denies there is a crisis. She must be blind: 1.2m children were enrolled in grade 1 in 2001, but only 44% stayed in the system to take their National Senior Certificate (NSC) in 2012. Only 12% of that grade 1 cohort ended up passing their NSC well enough to study for a university degree; and only 11% passed maths with a mark of 40% or above
http://gga.org/stories/editions/aif-15-off-the-mark/education-in-south-africa-where-did-it-go-wrong


3) You boast of an advanced economy that is underperforming even by African standards

An economy that shrinks and has been predicted negatively by all reputable international analyst. I can't see Japan boasting to China how advance its economy is. Your advance economy is for your 5 % white masters why the rest of the country is at par with Somalia and Burundi.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-25/south-africa-s-economic-woes-worsen-as-gdp-contracts-1-3-

4) South Africans are amongst the most uncivilised group in all of Africa, from zulu chanting xenophobic slaves who take pap and meat , to raping anything in sight including 89 year old women and 3 months infants.

South Africa are a group of hungry immigrant whites and tree-hopping baboon-bellowing zulus. The whites were forced by the rest of humanity to stop official racism, while the blacks are officially the last slaves of humanity. Xenophobic dogs.
South Africa is :
Drug headquarters
Rapę headquarters
Xenophobia headquarters
Murder headquarters
Crime headquarters
You want more ?


5 diplomacy? You have so much diplomacy yet you had to bribe to host a world cup when Nigeria challenged you to it ? Building blocks of embassies across the globe doesn't count for influence. Rookie. All your embassies were pre-apartheid attempts to keep the apartheid regime for as long as was possible.

Your diplomacy plus Mandela couldn't help you when a Nigerian military ruler positioned the rest of Africa to isolate you in 1996. History has recorded it as the Nigerian debacle.


6) mentioning brics and g20 means you still live in the past. Your gdp got you there and now it is irrelevant. Your MPs will look foolish and unsure when they attend such gatherings hence forth. You can't represent Africa anymore, son. You have lost big time. The size of your economy that got you in there has all withered away. Bwahahaha.



South Africa is a mere 50 million with a epileptic economy, inequality, escalating HIV rate amongst the population, poor school attendants, drug issues, social unrest and insecurities, high murder rates.

You are a nation of self-hype. Take off your rainbow blinders and see that south Africa is a nation of self-delusion and empty rhetorics

A nation of BEE : incompetence, official theft and unproductivity.

Allow leadership to come to you naturally and never by baseless ambition.


But the truth is even if Nigeria were to be wiped off the face of Africa, south Africa isn't next ; you aren't a natural leader.

N.B: PLEASE SHOW US WHAT CONDITIONS WERE MET BEFORE PRETORIA RETURN THE 15 MILLION ALMS MONEY. YOUR OWN PRESS SAY ZUMA TOOK THE CHANCE TO MEND FENCES WITH NIGERIA AND START ON A NEW PAGE. ZUMA KNOWS WHO'S BOSS AND WHAT S. A STANDS TO LOSE.

http://mg.co.za/article/2015-04-09-jacob-zumas-cash-plan-to-schmooze-nigeria



Sorry to ruffle your insecure feathers. Keep searching g for your elusive victory.

agaugust:
You were first to claim South Africa sold T-72 to Algeria, you FAILED to post one single citation of the sales, you coloreds are even more fraudulent than Zulus, and even less intelligent, ZERO achievement by Cape Colony coloreds except fabricating lies daily.




There is NO SINGLE CITATION in your post, white boy with dull Zulu brain

1. Cobra weight is dependent on load, yes it's minimum weight is 4,800 kg so Oryx will carry it.

"Max Weight: 6,200 kilogram
Min Weight: 4,800 kilogram"

http://www.deagel.com/Tactical-Vehicles/Cobra_a000678001.aspx

2. Oryx carries 6,000 kg on external sling you dummy !

"Oryx was first launched in 1991 as a transport helicopter for the SAAF. It can accommodate a crew of three members, 20 fully equipped troops or six wounded personnel on stretchers with four attendants. Oryx can carry 6,000kg of cargo on the external sling."

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/atlas-oryx/

3. Post a citation that says South Africa sold T-72 tanks to Algeria. You cannot sell T-72 to Algeria when the tanks were purchased from Russia, your youtube video says you upgraded them with fire control electronics, does that mean you own that tank and sold it? White people can be so fraudulent like you?

STOP MAKING YOURSELF LOOK LIKE A WHITE FOOL

agaugust:
1. Cobra weight is dependent on load, yes it's minimum weight is 4,800 kg so Oryx will carry it.
"Max Weight: 6,200 kilogram
Min Weight: 4,800 kilogram"
http://www.deagel.com/Tactical-Vehicles/Cobra_a000678001.aspx
Weapons station type and weight is a matter of user choice, Browning heavy machine gun weighs only about 40 kg, add to Cobra you have 4,840 kg and even if you say it's 5,200 kg, add Browning gun and its 5,240 kg so Oryx will carry it.
2. Oryx carries 6,000 kg on external sling according to air force technology, I don't care what Mi-17 carries, it's not the topic of argument.
"Oryx was first launched in 1991 as a transport helicopter for the SAAF. It can accommodate a crew of three members, 20 fully equipped troops or six wounded personnel on stretchers with four attendants. Oryx can carry 6,000kg of cargo on the external sling."
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/atlas-oryx/
Mamba does not have Cobra's interior instrumentation technology, TV camera, night vision equipment, amphibious capability, etc. Mamba is just an MRAP like a city transport bus for carrying people and saving them from land mines. It's far inferior technology compared to the Cobra's hi-tech capabilities loaded in the interior
.
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Max weight on cargo hook: 4.5mt
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5911:zz&catid=79:fact-files&Itemid=159


Cobra Min weight: 4.8mt (according to you)

Thus (according to you) the Cobra is not an LAV

Argument over.

lezz:
You took the bait eventually . Patrick my slave.
[s]I can sure swing your emotions like a car''s faulty fuel gauge.

Let me make you suffer once more

1) South Africa is the most unequal country in the world with a wealth distribution ration of 7% percent whites 85% destitute blacks.
http://www.moneyweb.co.za/archive/sa-most-unequal-country-on-earth-report-ahead-of-d/

2) For your educational system ,please read this : South Africa spends 20% of its budget on education, or 6.4% of GDP (considerably more than many other emerging market economies) and yet performs dismally in international comparisons. The World Economic Forum’s competitiveness index for 2012–2013 ranks South Africa’s overall education system at 140 out of 144 countries, and its maths and science education at 143 out of 144.

The minister of basic education, Angie Motshekga, denies there is a crisis. She must be blind: 1.2m children were enrolled in grade 1 in 2001, but only 44% stayed in the system to take their National Senior Certificate (NSC) in 2012. Only 12% of that grade 1 cohort ended up passing their NSC well enough to study for a university degree; and only 11% passed maths with a mark of 40% or above
http://gga.org/stories/editions/aif-15-off-the-mark/education-in-south-africa-where-did-it-go-wrong


3) You boast of an advanced economy that is underperforming even by African standards

An economy that shrinks and has been predicted negatively by all reputable international analyst. I can't see Japan boasting to China how advance its economy is. Your advance economy is for your 5 % white masters why the rest of the country is at par with Somalia and Burundi.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-25/south-africa-s-economic-woes-worsen-as-gdp-contracts-1-3-

4) South Africans are amongst the most uncivilised group in all of Africa, from zulu chanting xenophobic slaves who take pap and meat , to raping anything in sight including 89 year old women and 3 months infants.

South Africa are a group of hungry immigrant whites and tree-hopping baboon-bellowing zulus. The whites were forced by the rest of humanity to stop official racism, while the blacks are officially the last slaves of humanity. Xenophobic dogs.
South Africa is :
Drug headquarters
Rapę headquarters
Xenophobia headquarters
Murder headquarters
Crime headquarters
You want more ?


5 diplomacy? You have so much diplomacy yet you had to bribe to host a world cup when Nigeria challenged you to it ? Building blocks of embassies across the globe doesn't count for influence. Rookie. All your embassies were pre-apartheid attempts to keep the apartheid regime for as long as was possible.

Your diplomacy plus Mandela couldn't help you when a Nigerian military ruler positioned the rest of Africa to isolate you in 1996. History has recorded it as the Nigerian debacle.


6) mentioning brics and g20 means you still live in the past. Your gdp got you there and now it is irrelevant. Your MPs will look foolish and unsure when they attend such gatherings hence forth. You can't represent Africa anymore, son. You have lost big time. The size of your economy that got you in there has all withered away. Bwahahaha.



South Africa is a mere 50 million with a epileptic economy, inequality, escalating HIV rate amongst the population, poor school attendants, drug issues, social unrest and insecurities, high murder rates.

You are a nation of self-hype. Take off your rainbow blinders and see that south Africa is a nation of self-delusion and empty rhetorics

A nation of BEE : incompetence, official theft and unproductivity.

Allow leadership to come to you naturally and never by baseless ambition.


But the truth is even if Nigeria were to be wiped off the face of Africa, south Africa isn't next ; you aren't a natural leader.

N.B: PLEASE SHOW US WHAT CONDITIONS WERE MET BEFORE PRETORIA RETURN THE 15 MILLION ALMS MONEY. YOUR OWN PRESS SAY ZUMA TOOK THE CHANCE TO MEND FENCES WITH NIGERIA AND START ON A NEW PAGE. ZUMA KNOWS WHO'S BOSS AND WHAT S. A STANDS TO LOSE.

http://mg.co.za/article/2015-04-09-jacob-zumas-cash-plan-to-schmooze-nigeria



Sorry to ruffle your insecure feathers. Keep searching g for your elusive victory.[/s]

I dont see you refuting any of the statements I made.

Enjoy life in the shade - because the sun shines squarly on South Africa, you shall forever be in our shadow

Proven by fact and fact alone.

lezz:
Shut up, Patrick, nairaland 's most insecure Denisovan.

Tell Zuma how irrelevant Nigeria is as Pretoria scurried to return the $15 alms deal money, As Zulu hierarchy scramble for the next available fligh to Lagos to plead for mtn to breath.

How irrelevant is Nigeria that your country has a substantial trade deficit worth over 40 billion.

How irrelevant is a country that has the largest economy on mother continent with a population 4 times yours whose youths are over 70%.

The difference between Nigeria and south Africa is we have a goal in sight and we pursue this goal with no hint of self'-delusion .


South Africa on the other hand is a confused mix of frightened Botha descendants and a large Zulu population, most of which are illiterate, misinformed and under the false impression that pre-apartheid south Africa is same as today's south Africa.

Your political class are made up of Zulu illiterates whose road-side drinking skills got them political offices.


You Patrick are an imbecilitated white man who has been social and emotionally conditioned to think , act and talk like a Zulu. You are a conquered man

You're empty, frightened and carrying a huge lug of Nigeria- phobia.
Reality will soon kill you.

The g.ay toddler on his usual ethnic baboon antics again.

Lesley-ann my dear Toddler I would love if you can be more enthusiastic about Igbo affairs and fight for your native Biafra ba.stards who long for a Id.iot Igbo president.

DictatorZAR:
The g.ay toddler on his usual ethnic baboon antics again.

Lesley-ann my dear Toddler I would love if you can be more enthusiastic about Igbo affairs and fight for your native Biafra ba.stards who long for a Id.iot Igbo president.

Here comes nairaland's chief zulu fact-falsifier .

Where's the proof for the 33,000 murders a day you shamelessly claimed. Zulu-newt.

Descendant of living slaves.
From a lineage of dyslexic parasitic , cave dwelling neanderthals . As a black south African , you're a burden to the entire black race and Africa.

You're being endlessly rapęď by your minority white masters and been rendered irrelevant by Nigerians,

I will wager you're suffering from attention deficit syndrome and identity crisis plus a heritage marked by cowardice, subjugation and shame.


Your ancestors were under achievers whose land hold the wealth of gold but where too busy competing with monkeys on tree-hopping proficiency until a hand full of Europeans came and disposed them of thier gold, land and heritage.


And you, the descendants of those sub humanoids dare to banter with me, your redeemer!

You have no respect, Zulu Newt.

Patchesagain:
I dont see you refuting any of the statements I made.

Enjoy life in the shade - because the sun shines squarly on South Africa, you shall forever be in our shadow

Proven by fact and fact alone.

You have a penchant for being shamelessly stiffnaked.

You claim south Africa's education is superb and I brought you figures that ranked southafrican education 140 out of 144 countries And your science and technology grades were ranked 143 out of 144 countries .Your pupils are mass failures as pass marks had to be reduced to 30 percent.


You claim to have an advanced economy yet for over 7 years your economy is faring worse than any African country. Your wealth distribution is the worst in Africa.


You claimed to be the most civilized in Africa yet no African country can muster xenophobia with ease and frequency like south Africa.

Neither do we have Africans mass ræping 89 year old great grand mothers except south Africans.

You claimed to have the biggest influence in Africa (a title that belongs to Egypt by the way) by counting embassies around the world, yet you had to bribe to host a world cup that was narrowed down to only African countries. SMH. NIGERIA EFFORTLESSLY ISOLATED SOUTH AFRUCA TWICE IN AFRICA.

YOU POINT TO BRICK AND G20. hmm old scores from depleted statistics that's no longer relevant.


How do you want your funeral ? Should I behead you and you miraculously still be able to see your detached head in my hand before you know you stand defeated, bamboozled and destroyed by me?

Patrick, the big toad with rainbow blinders.

I asked you to give us the conditions Nigeria met before Pretoria released the 15 million arms money.

Lying , disgusting _idiot of a quack.

MduZA:
Amusing ...you can't effecietly counter argue anything the guy presented on top of your flathe..ad...dumbness on its best

Mzulubuzu, you never miss a chance to show off your word-blindness. Amazing.

lezz:
You have a penchant for being shamelessly stiffnaked.

You claim south Africa's education is superb and I brought you figures that ranked southafrican education 140 out of 144 countries And your science and technology grades were ranked 143 out of 144 countries .Your pupils are mass failures as pass marks had to be reduced to 30 percent.


You claim to have an advanced economy yet for over 7 years your economy is faring worse than any African country. Your wealth distribution is the worst in Africa.


You claimed to be the most civilized in Africa yet no African country can muster xenophobia with ease and frequency like south Africa.

Neither do we have Africans mass ræping 89 year old great grand mothers except south Africans.

You claimed to have the biggest influence in Africa (a title that belongs to Egypt by the way) by counting embassies around the world, yet you had to bribe to host a world cup that was narrowed down to only African countries. SMH. NIGERIA EFFORTLESSLY ISOLATED SOUTH AFRUCA TWICE IN AFRICA.

YOU POINT TO BRICK AND G20. hmm old scores from depleted statistics that's no longer relevant.


How do you want your funeral ? Should I behead you and you miraculously still be able to see your detached head in my hand before you know you stand defeated, bamboozled and destroyed by me?

Patrick, the big toad with rainbow blinders.

I asked you to give us the conditions Nigeria met before Pretoria released the 15 million alms money.

Lying , disgusting _idiot of a quack.

Lots of words

No citations

You have yet to counter me

Conditions you Nigerians had to meet before we released the money have been posted on this thread

Pass the sunblock, you won't be needing it in the shade

Patchesagain:
Lots of words

No citations

You have yet to counter me

Conditions you Nigerians had to meet before we released the money have been posted on this thread

Pass the sunblock, you won't be needing it in the shade

Patrick, you're suffering from dyslexia and selective amnesia Or are you citation-blind?

All the citations are in my response to your long post of emotional narrative on this very page.


But an e-fraud like you would always play dumb.

Your sentimentality always goes further than your ability to provide facts.

Nairaland's chief pharisee.