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Re: Russia Can Destroy Us – Top U.S. Army General by mazeltov(m): 7:46pm On Nov 04, 2015
dinachi:
Oh no! Another mistake. Military spending is never a determinant of who will win a war. Strategy, technologgy and balls wins wars not wastiing tax payers money like the US does.
lolzzz, did you just say mistake? Well I never argued that military spending is a determinant, I said military spending ''is part of determinant.''

dinachi:
Oh no! Another mistake. Military spending is never a determinant of who will win a war. Strategy, technologgy and balls wins wars
Sir, when you are talking about military strategies, militaty strategies is more than talking or sitting on a round table and making conference meeting when the war is going on, military strategies is more than using marker to draw maps on the board and be analysis, yes they are part of it but military entails practical implementations approaches through the use of technology and weapons. We don't make abstract plans in war - everything must be practica, tested and trusted. Now how do you intend to achieve this? it is not through defence/military allocation/budget. We cannot sidestep the importance of military spending in a full-scale war, you know this but you are just pretending like you don't. In a long term full-scale war, a country with high military spending will be able ramp up the production of new weapons than a country will low military spending. Or have you forgotten that Wars are being financed too.
Re: Russia Can Destroy Us – Top U.S. Army General by mazeltov(m): 7:54pm On Nov 04, 2015
Quelme:
abeg tell am jare. The Russian navy fired 24 Kalibr missiles all the way from the Caspian sea while passing through Iraq and Iran enroute Syria all hitting their target with pinpoint accuracy... The US of A is not the only Sheriff in town...
I'm sorry but I need to tell you that this is not a point. Any missile fired always come with locked target and it all depends on the range of the missile. Even South Africa can fire missile and it will hit its target. Any missile can hit its target and any missile can be brought down - well that depends on the sophistication of air defence too
Re: Russia Can Destroy Us – Top U.S. Army General by Shymm3x: 8:01pm On Nov 04, 2015
To those who think Japan has forgotten about Hiroshima and Nagasaki - this is what Japanese Prime Minister, Shinzo Abe, said in 2007:

Japanese PM Shinzo Abe said on Wednesday that Japan will not forgive US using A-bomb.

he said this in a news conference. but he also said it's very important to remain the close relationship with United states.
Re: Russia Can Destroy Us – Top U.S. Army General by Missy89(f): 8:03pm On Nov 04, 2015
McTobe:
take a look at this comparative analysis of US and Russia fighters. Sukhoi Su-27
The first on the list is Sukhoi Su-27
(NATO reporting name “Flanker”), an
exceptionally maneuverable
machine, one of the most agile
aircraft ever built. It is an extremely
nimble jet, which can be controlled
even at very low speeds and high
angles of attack. A Cobra
(Pugachev’s Cobra) – briefly
sustained level flight at a 120° angle
of attack – is a dramatic and very
demanding maneuver usually
demonstrated by Su-27
during airshows.
Do you know that the Pugachev’s Cobra maneuver is theoretical and has never been used in combat ?. It is only good for making the audience clap at airshows.
Re: Russia Can Destroy Us – Top U.S. Army General by mazeltov(m): 8:03pm On Nov 04, 2015
Idrismusty97:
ISIS is not a conventional army, It requires tactics to defeat. And Russia aren't fighting Ukrainians directly, It is somewhat like a proxy war. Even Ukrainians know their country would be history in a war with Russia. Let's even stop abusing that word "WAR", It wouldn't be a war as Ukraine would be overrun by Russia in hours. During the war between Communist North Vietnam and South Vietnam why didn't the US bury supposed enemy North Vietnam? Russia are only weeks into the Syria war and they are making considerable progress.
yes you are right and i agreed with some point but please Russian campaign in Syria is not a strong factor bro. United state used indirect and diplomatic approach to fight the ISIS and United states was never serious serious about defeating the terrorist in Syria. I am not saying this to undermine Russian's effort, yes they really tried and I am in full support of what Russia did. But one thing that I want to tell you is that If America had the intention of wiping off Isis, they would have done that since but America is unwilling to fight who they are funding
Re: Russia Can Destroy Us – Top U.S. Army General by Mcbussy(m): 8:07pm On Nov 04, 2015
Shymm3x:
Nice post.

A lot of them don't know that over half of the US' military budget goes to the unnecessary bases that can easily be destroyed all over the world. And once you take that away compare the product cost of US hardware vis-a-vis Russian hardware - both countries spend almost the same amount on military budget.

Also, for all those bases - Russia has more than enough capabilities to destroy all of them, including the scrap metals a la aircraft carriers within 24 hours, without leaving Russia. Hence they invest a lot in ICBMs and medium range missiles. And in a war between the two - whoever wins continental Europe and Euroasia, should have the upper hand. A lot of these folks are just ignorant and there's no point wasting time on them.

I see you know a lot about military. Have you seen the Russian TOS-1 flame thrower? Darn!! That's one bad arse hardware. If Nigeria can lay hands on four of that - Boko Haram should be dead in a month. grin
Dude, most of u just read about specs and articles online, u know nothing about the art of war. So Russia would just send a missile and blow US base in Germany and d Germans would smile and give Putin a pat on the back grin... They'll do dsame to the ones in Japan and the Japanese would smile and say "it's alright"... Same goes the ones in Greece, Isreal, Bulgaria, Portugal, Spain, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, UK right?...or I bet ur Putin can defeat all these countries combined. grin
Re: Russia Can Destroy Us – Top U.S. Army General by Tkester: 8:12pm On Nov 04, 2015
Quelme:
abeg tell am jare. The Russian navy fired 24 Kalibr missiles all the way from the Caspian sea while passing through Iraq and Iran enroute Syria all hitting their target with pinpoint accuracy... The US of A is not the only Sheriff in town...
26 and not 24. Forget all those American sheeples, they're trying so hard to save face from the embarrassment they got in Ukraine and now Syria.
Re: Russia Can Destroy Us – Top U.S. Army General by mazeltov(m): 8:13pm On Nov 04, 2015
Shymm3x:
Nice post.

A lot of them don't know that over half of the US' military budget goes to the unnecessary bases that can easily be destroyed all over the world. And once you take that away compare the product cost of US hardware vis-a-vis Russian hardware - both countries spend almost the same amount on military budget.

Also, for all those bases - Russia has more than enough capabilities to destroy all of them, including the scrap metals a la aircraft carriers within 24 hours, without leaving Russia. Hence they invest a lot in ICBMs and medium range missiles. And in a war between the two - whoever wins continental Europe and Euroasia, should have the upper hand. A lot of these folks are just ignorant and there's no point wasting time on them.

I see you know a lot about military. Have you seen the Russian TOS-1 flame thrower? Darn!! That's one bad arse hardware. If Nigeria can lay hands on four of that - Boko Haram should be dead in a month. grin
lolz. Comic relief
Re: Russia Can Destroy Us – Top U.S. Army General by Mcbussy(m): 8:13pm On Nov 04, 2015
mazeltov:
yes you are right and i agreed with some point but please Russian campaign in Syria is not a strong factor bro. United state used indirect and diplomatic approach to fight the ISIS and United states was never serious serious about defeating the terrorist in Syria. I am not saying this to undermine Russian's effort, yes they really tried and I am in full support of what Russia did. But one thing that I want to tell you is that If America had the intention of wiping off Isis, they would have done that since but America is unwilling to fight who they are funding
I do not agree with u... In unconventional warfare, there's usually no winner. Atleast, it's been like that so far. You can only hammer them to a bearable minimum, but they always come back. Taliban is still there, Alshabab is there, Alqaeda is there, Boko is there (despite the 2009 public executions and other govt efforts), ISIS will still remain. Let Russia bomb from now to 2035, they'll keep recruiting. You can't kill an army with no nation, no flag, no identity and no uniform. Let's just pray they find a different calling...lol.
Re: Russia Can Destroy Us – Top U.S. Army General by Tkester: 8:14pm On Nov 04, 2015
CSTR2:
A US military base can easily be destroyed?
Who would even dare? Even china with America soldiers in her backyard is scared like a kitten.
Hahahajahahahahajah, you make me laugh, hahahahahahaha!
Re: Russia Can Destroy Us – Top U.S. Army General by mazeltov(m): 8:15pm On Nov 04, 2015
Mcbussy:
Dude, most of u just read about specs and articles online, u know nothing about the art of war. So Russia would just send a missile and blow US base in Germany and d Germans would smile and give Putin a pat on the back grin... They'll do dsame to the ones in Japan and the Japanese would smile and say "it's alright"... Same goes the ones in Greece, Isreal, Bulgaria, Portugal, Spain, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, UK right?...or I bet ur Putin can defeat all these countries combined. grin
honestly that guy is a comedian
Re: Russia Can Destroy Us – Top U.S. Army General by pacino26(m): 8:15pm On Nov 04, 2015
Honestly, all these talks on nukes between Russia and USA is just war fantasy.

On deployment, Russia deployed aircrafts and carriers that weren't detected by Western radar. What does that tell you? I trust the silence of the Russians more than the ranting and propaganda of my betters in the US of A.

No one could believe frigates 1/3 the size of their USA counterpart could fire those cruise missiles over 1,500km by the Russians. No one knew of its existence. If na America, we for don see am for YouTube since and CNN.

I love threads with the word Russia on it in NL.
Re: Russia Can Destroy Us – Top U.S. Army General by Shymm3x: 8:16pm On Nov 04, 2015
Mcbussy:
Dude, most of u just read about specs and articles online, u know nothing about the art of war. So Russia would just send a missile and blow US base in Germany and d Germans would smile and give Putin a pat on the back grin... They'll do dsame to the ones in Japan and the Japanese would smile and say "it's alright"... Same goes the ones in Greece, Isreal, Bulgaria, Portugal, Spain, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, UK right?...or I bet ur Putin can defeat all these countries combined. grin
Did I post to you and how many times am I going to tell you illiterate monkeys to keep ya illiteracy off my posts? You think war is fought on paper and running around like a rabid monkey? And you think countries will compromise their own national security to protect a next country's military bases? M0ron.

You are better off spending more time on ya English proficiency than trying to trifle a trifle with those above you. Do that and fvck off my mentions. Clown.
Re: Russia Can Destroy Us – Top U.S. Army General by mazeltov(m): 8:17pm On Nov 04, 2015
Mcbussy:
I do not agree with u... In unconventional warfare, there's usually no winner. Atleast, it's been like that so far. You can only hammer them to a bearable minimum, but they always come back. Taliban is still there, Alshabab is there, Alqaeda is there, Boko is there (despite the 2009 public executions and other govt efforts), ISIS will still remain. Let Russia bomb from now to 2035, they'll keep recruiting. You can't kill an army with no nation, no flag, no identity and no uniform. Let's just pray they find a different calling...lol.
seconded!! You've made a good point and you are right.
Re: Russia Can Destroy Us – Top U.S. Army General by Rotimi47: 8:17pm On Nov 04, 2015
Mcbussy:
Dude, most of u just read about specs and articles online, u know nothing about the art of war. So Russia would just send a missile and blow US base in Germany and d Germans would smile and give Putin a pat on the back grin... They'll do dsame to the ones in Japan and the Japanese would smile and say "it's alright"... Same goes the ones in Greece, Isreal, Bulgaria, Portugal, Spain, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, UK right?...or I bet ur Putin can defeat all these countries combined. grin
The only edge America have is allies which she have in large numbers but also note that the Russians also have her own allies, so if a war breaks out between the united States and Russia, it will quickly turn to a world war which will also go nuclear as any party that is taken more casualties will simply go nuclear.

Don't forget that Russia also have allies all over the world.
Re: Russia Can Destroy Us – Top U.S. Army General by Missy89(f): 8:18pm On Nov 04, 2015
Mcbussy:
I do not agree with u... In unconventional warfare, there's usually no winner. Atleast, it's been like that so far. You can only hammer them to a bearable minimum, but they always come back. Taliban is still there, Alshabab is there, Alqaeda is there, Boko is there (despite the 2009 public executions and other govt efforts), ISIS will still remain. Let Russia bomb from now to 2035, they'll keep recruiting. You can't kill an army with no nation, no flag, no identity and no uniform. Let's just pray they find a different calling...lol.
Russia will rather fight ISIS ( with thousands of Chechen and dagestanis) in Syria than fight them in the caucasus. I am pretty sure they know it is unwinnable but moving the frontline is more beneficial
Re: Russia Can Destroy Us – Top U.S. Army General by mazeltov(m): 8:19pm On Nov 04, 2015
pacino26:
Honestly, all these talks on nukes between Russia and USA is just war fantasy.

On deployment, Russia deployed aircrafts and carriers that weren't detected by Western radar. What does that tell you? I trust the silence of the Russians more than the ranting and propaganda of my betters in the US of A.

No one could believe frigates 1/3 the size of their USA counterpart could fire those cruise missiles over 1,500km by the Russians. No one knew of its existence. If na America, we for don see am for YouTube since and CNN.

I love threads with the word Russia on it in NL.
you are a war novice. There are thousands of missile that have ranges that is more than 1500km
Re: Russia Can Destroy Us – Top U.S. Army General by Missy89(f): 8:21pm On Nov 04, 2015
Rotimi47:
The only edge America have is allies which she have in large numbers but also note that the Russians also have her own allies.
Who are the allies of Russia?
Re: Russia Can Destroy Us – Top U.S. Army General by BALLOSKI: 8:23pm On Nov 04, 2015
speedyGonzales:
dude, I get it you support Russia. I support neither country, I don't want them fighting at all.

but having just finished a course in the UK on satellite systems, where our Prof, analysed the infrastructure in place by the US (for instance the GPS, we use today was developed by American defence budget, and some of the capabilities are hidden from civilians). the US has military bases across the world, each fitted with satellite monitoring stations. an standing army on every continent (I think except Africa) and compared with other countries, the only country that can compete is France, but china is slowly joining. in conventional war, with just guns, then anyone could win. but with technological capabilities, this satellite technology naturally intersects with military and we analysed every country (admittedly Russia is more secretive about their capabilities than the US), but US is way out in front.

Everyone including america is afraid of Nuclear weapons and Nuclear war! because it could lead to an apocalypse

The Prof that taught (consults in satellite development project for across the world) told a story on the top of the range satellite that Yar adua wanted to buy from a UK company but the UK government blocked the sell, because it was the latest in satellite technology for defence.
my God! Who denied us this?
Re: Russia Can Destroy Us – Top U.S. Army General by pacino26(m): 8:23pm On Nov 04, 2015
idupaul:
Don't worry we plenty here already
Arha one of my Spertsnaz don show. What's good in Syria heard Obama wants to send his spec ops team there. How e go be na?
Re: Russia Can Destroy Us – Top U.S. Army General by Rotimi47: 8:23pm On Nov 04, 2015
mazeltov:
you are a war novice. There are thousands of missile that have ranges that is more than 1500km
You're the super novice, one is talking about cruise missiles and you're talking generally about all missiles. Na wa for some people.

You know nothing about weapons or weapon platforms, let me state that the missile with the longest range in the world is owned by Russia.
Re: Russia Can Destroy Us – Top U.S. Army General by Mcbussy(m): 8:28pm On Nov 04, 2015
Shymm3x:
Did I post to you and how many times am I going to tell you illiterate monkeys to keep ya illiteracy off my posts? You think war is fought on paper and running around like a rabid monkey? And you think countries will compromise their own national security to protect a next country's military bases? M0ron.

You are better off spending more time on ya English proficiency than trying to trifle a trifle with those above you. Do that and fvck off my mentions. Clown.
Dude u know nothing abeg... Even ur response shows ur just a street urchin that can't maintain a simple logical argument. I can't remember using any derogatory word on u and here you are calling urself an illiterate and a slowpoke. Just read ur post and ask urself who's d illiterate between d 2 of us.

Well, you can spit fire...I'm still going to insist that not even Russia can just launch missiles into a country's territory all in d name of blowing up US base without sparking a war....it's common sense. Thank God Putin isn't a keyboard war professor like some nairaland clowns.
Re: Russia Can Destroy Us – Top U.S. Army General by pacino26(m): 8:28pm On Nov 04, 2015
Rotimi47:
You're the super novice, one is talking about cruise missiles and you're talking generally about all missiles. Na wa for some people.
You know nothing about weapons or weapon platforms, let me state that the missile with the longest range in the world is owned by Russia.
My brother see me see lecturer but make I tell am cuz he had G in English lang

mazeltov:
you are a war novice. There are thousands of missile that have ranges that is more than 1500km
Omg, you just graduated top of your class in war history in your dream world. cheesy

What I meant there is no one thought the Russians could deploy it with such accuracy on more than half in contrast to the USA.

Thanks PROF
Re: Russia Can Destroy Us – Top U.S. Army General by BALLOSKI: 8:30pm On Nov 04, 2015
Missy89:
Who are the allies of Russia?
China, Iran, lebanon, and many that have fallen off with the US.
Re: Russia Can Destroy Us – Top U.S. Army General by Mcbussy(m): 8:31pm On Nov 04, 2015
Rotimi47:
The only edge America have is allies which she have in large numbers but also note that the Russians also have her own allies, so if a war breaks out between the united States and Russia, it will quickly turn to a world war which will also go nuclear as any party that is taken more casualties will simply go nuclear.

Don't forget that Russia also have allies all over the world.
Well that's why we don't want any war...lol.

Many of the clowns shouting Putin here would rather fight for America when they hear "green card" cheesy
Re: Russia Can Destroy Us – Top U.S. Army General by Tkester: 8:32pm On Nov 04, 2015
pacino26:
Honestly, all these talks on nukes between Russia and USA is just war fantasy.

On deployment, Russia deployed aircrafts and carriers that weren't detected by Western radar. What does that tell you? I trust the silence of the Russians more than the ranting and propaganda of my betters in the US of A.

No one could believe frigates 1/3 the size of their USA counterpart could fire those cruise missiles over 1,500km by the Russians. No one knew of its existence. If na America, we for don see am for YouTube since and CNN.

I love the thread with he word Russia in it on NL.
Badt guy, your head dey there for real!
Re: Russia Can Destroy Us – Top U.S. Army General by Tkester: 8:35pm On Nov 04, 2015
Missy89:
Russia will rather fight ISIS ( with thousands of Chechen and dagestanis) in Syria than fight them in the caucasus. I am pretty sure they know it is unwinnable but moving the frontline is more beneficial
SMH!
Re: Russia Can Destroy Us – Top U.S. Army General by Tkester: 8:37pm On Nov 04, 2015
Mcbussy:
Dude u know nothing abeg... Even ur response shows ur just a street urchin that can't maintain a simple logical argument. I can't remember using any derogatory word on u and here you are calling urself an illiterate and a slowpoke. Just read ur post and ask urself who's d illiterate between d 2 of us.

Well, you can spit fire...I'm still going to insist that not even Russia can just launch missiles into a country's territory all in d name of blowing up US base without sparking a war....it's common sense. Thank God Putin isn't a keyboard war professor like some nairaland clowns.
Hahahhahaha, oh boi see finishing.
Re: Russia Can Destroy Us – Top U.S. Army General by Missy89(f):
BALLOSKI:
China, Iran, lebanon, and many that have fallen off with the US.
There is no alliance between China and Russia. You really think China will pick up arms and fight Russia's war? As for Iran It is a marriage of convenience. Iran have always been Russia's traditional rival in Central Asia. You should go and read about the great game.

When most of the sanctions are lifted or partially lifted, It will open up Iran to the west and they wont need Russia as much as they do again. Iran and Russia cant even reach an agreement on how to run the Caspian sea.

One more thing, Iran has Oil and gas that will threaten Russian market and the rivalry is already playing out in Armenia and Azerbaijan where they are both fighting for control. They may have few aligning issues but it doesn't mean there is an alliance as for Lebanon, there is no point talking about it since it is an Iranian client state of some sort.
Re: Russia Can Destroy Us – Top U.S. Army General by McTobe(m): 8:39pm On Nov 04, 2015
Missy89:
Do you know that the Pugachev’s Cobra maneuver is theoretical and has never been used in combat ?. It is only good for making the audience clap at airshows.
pls sir I want you to compare by yourself the capabilities of the much talked US F35 with Russia su35. Its hard to admit but Russia war equipments are better and will beat US equipment both in comparative terms and in practice. place US best five stealth/ jet fighters and Russias' best five let's compare them here and now. The MiG-29 against the F16/F18, the SU35 against the F35, the “Sukhoi’s PAK FA against the f22, Tupolev Tu-160 strategic bombers against US B1-B Lancer bombers, even US know that the Russian guys are good. the fact is that we go through school being fed a lot of wonderful stuffs about the west with little or no truth about the east. however a honest objective analysis always show the west weaker than we can ever imagine. meanwhile I am waiting for the comparison of the above equipments by u
Re: Russia Can Destroy Us – Top U.S. Army General by Shymm3x: 8:40pm On Nov 04, 2015
Mcbussy:
Dude u know nothing abeg... Even ur response shows ur just a street urchin that can't maintain a simple logical argument. I can't remember using any derogatory word on u and here you are calling urself an illiterate and a slowpoke. Just read ur post and ask urself who's d illiterate between d 2 of us.

Well, you can spit fire...I'm still going to insist that not even Russia can just launch missiles into a country's territory all in d name of blowing up US base without sparking a war....it's common sense. Thank God Putin isn't a keyboard war professor like some nairaland clowns.
Loool.

Look at this uneducated hunger induced anorexic village monkey - you puerile oafs just jump on every thread spouting what you know nothing about. Did I post to you? And is that how you quote strangers in ya desolated and primeval village, by using passive ad hominems to pass ignorant and illiterate opinions across? Now you are playing victim, you despicable village rat with Palm oil for brain matter.

Monkey, why do you think Russia has missiles with nuclear warheads ready to attack all US bases in case a war breaks out? Do you know what a nuke is? Can the US defend against Russian hypersonic ICBMs and medium range missiles? Do you think the countries those bases are located would jeopardise their own national security to protect a next country's military base?

And in a case of an all out war, what do you think Russia would do, to take away the US' advantage with the ability to deploy troops and weapons, from those bases?

Go find answers to those questions and fvck off my mentions, you insolent monkey.
Re: Russia Can Destroy Us – Top U.S. Army General by BALLOSKI: 8:44pm On Nov 04, 2015
Missy89:
Do you know that the Pugachev’s Cobra maneuver is theoretical and has never been used in combat ?. It is only good for making the audience clap at airshows.
missy.
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