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agaugust:
Algeria has force projection to reach South Africa by sea. They have a very modern and huge supply ship/landing ship/helicopter carrier/anti-submarine helicopters. They have many new stealth frigates with BVR SAM missiles to wipe out any Gripen jet, they have longer range anti-ship missiles to sink any Valour frigate, they have ASW weapon armed ships many submarines to defeat any Heroine class Type 209.

Algeria will eat up South Africa for dinner and there will be no left over in the dish
.

They haven't received any meko frigates or Tiger corvettes and only recieved one C28A corvette, thus far.

But hey lets say for argument sake they've received all their surfuces combatants and subs and we received our combatants under project Biro.
And for some reason Algeria decides to invade us by sea as you mentioned above.

Now firstly the South African coast has some of the roughest waters in the world, thus not very conducive to an amphibious invasion.

Secondly the currents in our Waters make it prime hunting ground for diesel Subs, just ask the Nato fleet that was sunk by a single SAN sub in 2007 during an exercise. Even with ASW helicopters it would be near impossible to sink one of our Subs in our Waters.

Thirdly we have Link ZA( tactical data link) something Algeria can only dream of!! Thus all our Navy,Air force and Army assets would instantly know exactly were the Algerian fleet is if even only one of our Radar/Aircraft/Satellite/Ships or even a soldier on a dinki boat spots their fleet, we would also have the advantage of knowing exactly were every single of our assets are at all time, right down to a single soldier. We would know precisely when and were to attack their fleet, we would always be one step ahead of the enemy at all times.

Forthly The Algerian fleet would be without any air support, thus easy targets for our Hawks armed with glide bombs.

Lastly I can't exaggerated enough of how much of an advantage it is to poses something like a tatical data link, its a massive massive force multiplier.

lionel4power:
[b]LETS BE REALISTIC HERE.. PEOPLE WIDELY IGNORE IRAN.

IRAN WILL DEFEAT ANY COUNTRY IN THE MIDDLE EAST.

REMEMBER HOW THEY DEFEATED IRAQ (WITH SUPPORT FROM USA,SAUDI ARABIA, UK, RUSSIA E.TC)

TAKE A LOOK AT THE STAT YEAR 2015

ARMY

Iran Israel

Active Frontline Personnel: IRAN-545,000 ISREAL-160,000

Active Reserve Personnel: IRAN-1,800,000 ISREAL 630,000

Tanks IRAN 1,658 ISREAL 4,170 (ISREAL WINS)

AFV IRAN 1,315 ISREAL 10,000+
S
Artillery pieces IRAN 8,196 ISREAL 500+ (IRAN WINS)

Towed artillery IRAN 2,078 ISREAL 300 (IRAN WINS)

Self-propelled guns IRAN846 ISREAL 620 (IRAN WIN)

Multiple rocket systems IRAN 48 ISREAL 1,474 (IRAN WINS)

Mortars IRAN 5,000 ISREAL 750 (IRAN WIN)

Anti-tank weapons IRAN 1,400 ISREAL 900 (IRAN WINS)

Anti-aircraft weapons IRAN 1,701 ISREAL 200 (IRAN WIN)

Logistical vehicles IRAN 12,000 ISREAL 7,684 (IRAN WINS)


NAVY

Iran Israel

Total navy ships IRAN 397 ISREAL 64 (IRAN WINS

Merchant marine IRAN 76 ISREAL 10 (IRAN WINS

Major ports/terminals IRAN 3 ISREAL 4 (ISREAL WINS)

Aircraft carriers IRAN 0 ISREAL 0

Destroyers IRAN 3 ISREAL 3 (ISREAL HAS BETTER TECH)

Submarines IRAN 32 ISREAL 5 (IRAN WINS

Frigates IRAN 5 ISREAL 0 (IRAN WINS

Patrol craft IRAN 198 ISREAL 56(IRAN WINS

Amphibious assault craft IRAN 26 ISREAL 0 (IRAN WINS)



AIR POWER

IRAN ISREAL

FIGHTER IRAN 189 ISREAL 242

GROUND ATTACK IRAN 108 ISREAL 227

ATTACK AIRCRAFT IRAN 20+ ISREAL 67

TRANSPORT IRAN 196 ISREAL 101

ATTACK HELICOPTER IRAN 12 ISREAL 81

TRANSPORT HELI. IRAN 127 ISREAL 200

SAM IRAN 297 ISREAL 48

AAA IRAN 1000+ ISREAL 920

MISSILE SYSTEMS

Iran (1000+) Israel (500+)

Short-range IRAN Shahab-2 (1,280km) ISREAL Jericho-1 (1,400km)

Medium-range IRAN Ghadr-1 (1,600km) ISREAL Jericho-2 (2,800km)

Long-range IRAN Sajjil-2 (2,400km) ISREAL Jericho-3 (5,000km)





WE ALL ASSUME THAT IRAN IS WEAK DUE TO SANCTIONS. BUT THE TRUTH IS THAT EVEN THE MIGHTY USA DOES NOT KNOW THE TRUE CAPABILITIES OF IRAN.

NOBODY CARES THAT IRAN IS AN EXCELLENT ARMS SMUGGLING COUNTRY. THEY ONCE SMUGGLED 10 BOEING 747 AIRCRAFT WITHOUT THE WORLD KNOWING UNTIL RECENTLY. ONCE THE USA HAD TO DESTROY ALL ITS PHANTOM JETS AND AH-1S SO THAT IRAN WONT GET IT, THATS HOW GOOD THEY ARE.

IRAN ARE EXCELLENT IN REVERSE ENGINEERING. REMEMBER A SMUGGLED OR COPIED WEAPON SYSTEM CAN STILL KILL JUST AS EASILY AS A GENUINE ONE.

ALSO REMEMBER HOW THE SU-25 FROGFOOT JET THEY GAVE TO IRAQ TO FIGHT ISIS WAS IN PERFECT CONDITION. IT IS STILL SURPRISING THE WHITE HOUSE TILL TODAY.

www.aljazeera.com/indepthfeatures/2012/03/2012326131343853636.html


www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=israel

www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=iran


It appears that Iran is looking to bolster its armed forces with the
prospect of sanctions being lifted under the nuclear agreement and an
estimated US$150 billion worth of frozen funds to be released to
Tehran. DEBKAfile , an Israeli military intelligence website, has alleged
that Iran is planning to buy 150 Chinese Chengdu J-10 multirole jet
fighters. It is also rumoured that Tehran is considering the purchase
of 250 Sukhoi Su-30 “Flanker H” fighter jets from Moscow, following a
purchase earlier this month of 100 IL-78 Midas in-flight refuelling
tanker aircraft. Further adding to the rumours, Iranian Government
spokesman Mohammad Baqer Nowbakht, after a visit by French
Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius, noted that ‘France could satisfy our
need for Mirage warplanes ... buying new Mirage planes is the first
priority of the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force (IRIAF).’[/b]

www.futuredirections.org.au/publications/indian-ocean/29-indian-ocean-swa/2360-iran-seeks-to-bolster-air-force-following-nuclear-agreement.html

Yes Iran is a regional power that packs a medium punch like Turkey and Egypt.

But to be honest most of the weapons platforms you listed from Iran are mostly old Soviet era systems.

Currently the only air defense system on the Iranian side worth noting is the S-300 that's if the Russians have started delivery of them and that said it also depends on the numbers as well.

If Iran gets the J-10 and Su-30's it would surely boast there air capability. But we should also note that Israelis operate some of the most advanced fighter fleet in the world even better then the Chinese in some aspects and early next year Israel will start receiving deliveries of there F-35B's and there's been comments on janes defense that the Israelis has already started developing local tech for there F-35's. So Israel will still enjoy a relative Edge over Iran and the Middle East for some time in Air defenses.

I don't know the accuracy of your report on 100 IL-78's because that's a bit excessive if you look at the size of the Iranian airforce fighter fleet. The reason I say this is that not even UK, Germany or France for that matter can maintain that number of in flight refueling platforms at there current budgets and in truth Iran is not the league of those nations.

All things aside Iran will do damage to any country who so wishes to invade them.

jln115:
But yes Iran definitely is a force to be reckond with, but are they more powerful than Turkey or Iran? Simple answer is no.

Those two countries(Turkey and Israel) are not more powerful than Iran either.

Msauza:
If water is a scares resource in SA it cannot be blamed on us. SA is a semi desert area and water is scares, that's why we are now opting to rather use ocean water through desalination plants. The system that is currently being used by many European countries. Let us rather blame it on nature. However SA has an excellent pipe water system across Africa.

It's not as simple as just a water scarcity issue. It is more of infrastructure and water supply.


http://thewaterproject.org/water-in-crisis-south-africa

[b]IRAN BUILDS ITS OWN SATTELITE.. ISREAL CANNOT

IRAN LAUNCHES ITS OWN SATTALITE... ISREAL CANNOT

IRAN REVERSE ENGINEERS A COMPLETE AIRCRAFT LIKE CHINA.

IRAN BUILDS ITS OWN SUBMARINE... ISREAL CANNOT

IRAN BUILDS ITS OWN CRUISE MISSILES

IRAN BUILSLDS ITS OWN ANTI-SHIP MISSILES

IRAN HACKED USA STEALTH DRONE (BEST IN THE USA) AND CAPTURED IT EASILY.

IRAN BUILT A STEALTH DRONE

IRAN BUILDS ITS OWN TANK

IRAN BUILDS ITS OWN SURFACE TO SURFACE MISSILE

IRAN BUILTS ITS OWN WARSHIPS

IRAN SUPPORTS IRAN 100%

IRAN IS STILL STRONG DESPITE YEARS OF SANCTIONS

NOW WE ALL ASSUME THAT IRAN TECH IS SHIT... BUT THATS JUST ASSUMPTION AND NO COMMANDER CAN GO TO WAR UNDER ASSUMPTION
UNLESS ITS A SUICIDE MISSION.

EVEN THE MIGHTY MOSSAD DON'T KNOW THE TRUE CAPABILITIES OF THE IRANIAN MILITARY. EVER HEARD OF THE QUDS FORCE? ONLY IRAN KNOWS ITS TRUE CAPABILITY. GO RESEARCH ABOUT THE QUD FORCE.






13:49 01.09.2015

(updated 13:55 01.09.2015)

Iranian military specialists manufactured an upgraded version of its air defense missile system named Talash, which uses homegrown Sayyad missiles to hit
high-altitude flying targets.

m.sputniknews.com/military/20150901/1026435404/iran-missile-defense-upgraded-military.html

SAUDI ARABIA IS SHIT... YES THEY HAVE THE MONEY BUT NO ZEAL TO FIGHT AND NO CLEAR STRATEGY. THEY JUST BUY EVERYTHING THEY SEE.

ISREAL HAS A CLEAR STRATEGY, A CLEAR GOAL, THE WILL TO FIGHT AND THE EQUIPMENT BUT THEY DEPEND ON THE USA TO DICTATE WHEN AND HOW THEY FIGHT.

EGYPT HAS A LOT OF EQUIPMENT, MAN POWER, EXPERIENCE, BUT THEY DEPEND TOO MUCH ON USA, ARAB MONEY AND ARAB COALITION.

IRAN HAS ALOT OF OLD EQUIPMENT, BUT THEY HAVE ENDURANCE TO FIGHT, PATIENCE, ZEAL AND A CLEAR STRATEGY TO FIGHT EVEN THE MIGHTY USA.

NOW LETS TAKE A LOOK AT THIS SIMPLE QUESTION... AND LETS ANSWER IT HONESTLY.

-- WHO CAN BLOODY THE USA NOSE IN A LONG WAR.

ISREAL?
EGYPT?
IRAN?
SAUDI ARABIA? [/b]

lionel4power:
[b]IRAN BUILDS ITS OWN SATTELITE.. ISREAL CANNOT

IRAN LAUNCHES ITS OWN SATTALITE... ISREAL CANNOT

IRAN REVERSE ENGINEERS A CIMPLETE AIRCRAFT LIKE CHINA.

IRAN BUILDS ITS OWN SUBMARINE... ISREAL CANNOT

IRAN BUILDS ITS OWN CRUISE MISSILES

IRAN BUILSLDS ITS OWN ANTI-SHIP MISSILES

IRAN HACKED USA STEALTH DRONE (BEST IN THE USA) AND CAPTURED IT EASILY.

IRAN BUILT A STEALTH DRONE

IRAN BUILDS ITS OWN TANK

IRAN BUILDS ITS OWN SURFACE TO SURFACE MISSILE

IRAN BUILTS ITS OWN WARSHIPS

IRAN SUPPORTS IRAN 100%

IRAN IS STILL STRONG DESPITE YEARS OF SANCTIONS

NOW WE ALL ASSUME THAT IRAN TECH IS SHIT... BUT THATS JUST ASSUMPTION AND NO COMMANDER CAN GO TO WAR UNDER ASSUMPTION
UNLESS ITS A SUICIDE MISSION.





13:49 01.09.2015

(updated 13:55 01.09.2015)

Iranian military specialists manufactured an upgraded version of its air defense missile system named Talash, which uses homegrown Sayyad missiles to hit
high-altitude flying targets.

m.sputniknews.com/military/20150901/1026435404/iran-missile-defense-upgraded-military.html

SAUDI ARABIA IS SHIT... YES THEY HAVE THE MONEY BUT NO ZEAL TO FIGHT AND NO CLEAR STRATEGY. THEY JUST BUY EVERYTHING THEY SEE.

ISREAL HAS A CLEAR STRATEGY, A CLEAR GOAL, THE WILL TO FIGHT AND THE EQUIPMENT BUT THEY DEPEND ON THE USA TO DICTATE WHEN AND HOW THEY FIGHT.

EGYPT HAS A LOT OF EQUIPMENT, MAN POWER, EXPERIENCE, BUT THEY DEPEND TOO MUCH ON USA, ARAB MONEY AND ARAB COALITION.

IRAN HAS ALOT OF OLD EQUIPMENT, BUT THEY HAVE ENDURANCE TO FIGHT, PATIENCE, ZEAL AND A CLEAR STRATEGY TO FIGHT EVEN THE MIGHTY USA.

NOW LETS TAKE A LOOK AT THIS SIMPLE QUESTION... AND LETS ANSWER IT HONESTLY.

-- WHO CAN BLOODY THE USA NOSE IN A LONG WAR.

ISREAL?
EGYPT?
IRAN?
SAUDI ARABIA? [/b]

Am happy you brought things out clearly. Most people do not know why Isreal is scared of Iran's growing power and tech. In the middle east. If Iran should have nuclear weapons they will control the middle east.

Has any1 asked why Saudi sponsor Egypt? Or why Isreal is very interested in Iran nuclear deal?

No nation in the middle east produce some of the weapons they produce.

iblawi:
Am happy you brought things out clearly. Most people do not know why Isreal is scared of Iran's growing power and tech. In the middle east. If Iran should have nuclear weapons they will control the middle east.

Has any1 asked why Saudi sponsor Egypt? Or why Isreal is very interested in Iran nuclear deal?

No nation in the middle east produce some of the weapons they produce.

Iran is likely the regional superpower... that is what the IRAN-IRAQ war was all about.

other countries are trying to counter iran.

jln115:
Although I like using global firepower as well, I feel they base their rankings on quantity without realy regarding the modernity of equipment as well as training and other factors....for instance having something like a data link is a huge huge force multiplier, combine that with modern radar and communication system then you could have a force defeat an enemy which outnumber them 10-1 with relative ease.

But yes Iran definitely is a force to be reckond with, but are they more powerful than Turkey or Iran? Simple answer is no.

95% of the country on this planet dont have datalinks... the French, german and italian military dont have an indigenous military-wide datalink.
they use NATO link 16 datalink.

but ITALY AND FRANCE have an aircraft carriER

SO CAN SOUTH AFRICA WITH HER DATALINK DEFEAT FRANCE?

lezz:
It's not as simple as just a water scarcity issue. It is more of infrastructure and water supply.


http://thewaterproject.org/water-in-crisis-south-africa

Even your own source proves you wrong. You are indeed a true dunder head I have ever met on Nairaland. I quote from your source:


There are many reasons that attribute to this growing water crisis in South Africa. Climate change has affected water supplies within the region. Rains that usually come and supply the country's water has come infrequently. For example in Durban the Dams are 20 percent lower than at the start of 2010. Due to this fact cities are looking to impose water restrictions on communities. Quote closed.

Some of the people must just stop analysing water scarcity of SA because they know anything about SA, they must just come and ask us. Here is the list of some of many dams in SA and they are a very big, however the list is incomplete. We have infrastructure the problem is rain to fill up those dams.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dams_in_South_Africa

Here is Nigeria's.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dams_and_reservoirs_in_Nigeria

That is all a lie. South Africa has some of the biggest dams in the world. The problem is the rain.


http://m.ewn.co.za/2015/11/08/Reliingious-organisations-to-pray-for-rain

http://mobi.iol.co.za/#!/article/we-need-rain-please-pray-1.1943390

lezz:
It's not as simple as just a water scarcity issue. It is more of infrastructure and water supply.


http://thewaterproject.org/water-in-crisis-south-africa

We finally got some sanity back to this thread and you come back to spoil the fun yet again.

Since you don't want to stop go read on how Nigerian cities only has 30% access to potable water. Water borne diseases like Cholera and Typhoid
kills more then 80 000 people in Nigeria.
http://ynaija.com/opinion-nigerias-gdp-rebasing-and-voodoo-statistics/

Nigeria is not a water scarce country and yet the FG by don't provide quality tap water over 80m of its citizens that's why bottled water is such an lucrative industry in Nigeria and has become a pollution problem to your waterways. Bore holes is largely used in Nigeria as a means to water security something that's not a luxury in Southern Africa.

Nigeria also has a lot of water contamination issues even worse then any other african countries due to decades of oil pollution particular in some areas in the delta also.
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/10/africa/niger-delta-oil-pollution/

SA has its fair share legacy infrastructure problems yet per % of the population we fair better then Nigeria as a hole. This current problem of water is not just a SA issue but currently an SADAC wide problem. I must also admit that years of lack of investments into water infrastructure upgrades is contributing and has exacerbated the current SA water crisis due to old systems not being maintained in some local gov areas. But as hole SA has done a lot in providing water to majority of citizens, and being a developmental State we will continue to have our own share of problems like all countries worldwide.

And while you at it please stop your narrow minded tribalist rhetoric of zulus 1/2/3, because as we all know by now Nigeria is at a crisis point themselves where Biafra independence has once again come to the fore and it has led Buhari to unconstitutionally even ignore court orders to release a certain Mr Kanu.

Let's end this, if you truly wanna discuss something let's look for African solutions to all our problems because in reality we all in the same boat.

Henry240:
Those two countries(Turkey and Israel) are not more powerful than Iran either.

I beg to differ!

lionel4power:
95% of the country on this planet dont have datalinks... the French, german and italian military dont have an indigenous military-wide datalink.
they use NATO link 16 datalink.

but ITALY AND FRANCE have an aircraft carriER

SO CAN SOUTH AFRICA WITH HER DATALINK DEFEAT FRANCE?

As you just said, NATO countries use link 16 or Link 22, so yes they have a mil std tatical data link to their exposel, so what's your point?

Secondly did I say South Africa could defeat France?

Henry240:
Those two countries(Turkey and Israel) are not more powerful than Iran either.

I differ completely.

snydergp1st:
We finally got some sanity back to this thread and you come back to spoil the fun yet again.

Since you don't want to stop go read on how Nigerian cities only has 30% access to potable water. Water borne diseases like Cholera and Typhoid
kills more then 80 000 people in Nigeria.
http://ynaija.com/opinion-nigerias-gdp-rebasing-and-voodoo-statistics/

Nigeria is not a water scarce country and yet the FG by don't provide quality tap water over 80m of its citizens that's why bottled water is such an lucrative industry in Nigeria and has become a pollution problem to your waterways. Bore holes is largely used in Nigeria as a means to water security something that's not a luxury in Southern Africa.

Nigeria also has a lot of water contamination issues even worse then any other african countries due to decades of oil pollution particular in some areas in the delta also.
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/10/africa/niger-delta-oil-pollution/

SA has its fair share legacy infrastructure problems yet per % of the population we fair better then Nigeria as a hole. This current problem of water is not just a SA issue but currently an SADAC wide problem. I must also admit that years of lack of investments into water infrastructure upgrades is contributing and has exacerbated the current SA water crisis due to old systems not being maintained in some local gov areas. But as hole SA has done a lot in providing water to majority of citizens, and being a developmental State we will continue to have our own share of problems like all countries worldwide.

And while you at it please stop your narrow minded tribalist rhetoric of zulus 1/2/3, because as we all know by now Nigeria is at a crisis point themselves where Biafra independence has once again come to the fore and it has led Buhari to unconstitutionally even ignore court orders to release a certain Mr Kanu.

Let's end this, if you truly wanna discuss something let's look for African solutions to all our problems because in reality we all in the same boat.

You dyslexic, drooling baboon of a muppet! !!

You couldn't see I was responding to your monkey zulu who quoted me. _Stupid frog.


The problem with you _idiots is that you're _fucking self-righteous and hypocritical.

15 million South Africans are without basic water and sanitation . Deal with that and stop bellowing like a buffoon.

N.B I thought you were the drooling newt who said he wasn't going to quote me again.

Seems I always have a way of crawling under your light skin.


What sanity are you talking about? Your evasive arguments and needless comparisons?

lezz:
You dyslexic, drooling baboon of a muppet! !!

You couldn't see I was responding to your monkey zulu who quoted me. _Stupid frog.


The problem with you _idiots is that you're _fucking self-righteous and hypocritical.

15 million South Africans are without basic water and sanitation . Deal with that and stop bellowing like a buffoon.

N.B I thought you were the drooling newt who said he wasn't going to quote me again.

Seems I always have a way of crawling under your light skin.


What sanity are you talking about? Your evasive arguments and needless comparisons?

You have misquoted Snyder and he does not not suffer from dyslexia at all. You are confusing characters here. You are even wrong with your 15 million because your source states clearly that in 2008 there were some 15 million South Africans who did not have access to sanitation and water majority of whom lived in villages, but they admmited that the situation improved to a greater extent ever since.

The only part of SA that still struggles with water supply and sanitation is the one that is situated in remote area where installations of pipes is impossible since most of those villages are in mountaneous places.

Msauza:
Even your own source proves you wrong. You are indeed a true dunder head I have ever met on Nairaland. I quote from your source:


There are many reasons that attribute to this growing water crisis in South Africa. Climate change has affected water supplies within the region. Rains that usually come and supply the country's water has come infrequently. For example in Durban the Dams are 20 percent lower than at the start of 2010. Due to this fact cities are looking to impose water restrictions on communities. Quote closed.

Some of the people must just stop analysing water scarcity of SA because they know anything about SA, they must just come and ask us. Here is the list of some of many dams in SA and they are a very big, however the list is incomplete. We have infrastructure the problem is rain to fill up those dams.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dams_in_South_Africa

Here is Nigeria's.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dams_and_reservoirs_in_Nigeria

That is all a lie. South Africa has some of the biggest dams in the world. The problem is the rain.


http://m.ewn.co.za/2015/11/08/Reliingious-organisations-to-pray-for-rain

http://mobi.iol.co.za/#!/article/we-need-rain-please-pray-1.1943390

Let me also quote from the same source. Note that you said south Africa is dry which I never denied . I only opined that there are also other issues contributing to your water crisis like infrastructure and water facility. Here is an excerpt from the quote :



Also, preventative measures that were put in place such as the construction of dams in the area have not even started or are still in the process of being built and those structures that are in place now are slowly collapsing. Those in rural areas still lack access to water. One report stated that in 2008 about 5 million people lack access to water and 15 million lack access to basic sanitation. This number has improved greatly since the end of apartheid in 1994, however these numbers are still too high and not one person should ever lack access to the most basic necessity of life, which is water.



Overall, infrastructure is lacking, whether or not it is old pipes or ignorance the South Africa water crisis is here and affecting millions. There has been a backlog in services since the end of apartheid and that needs to change. The national and local governments of South Africa need to do a better job of offering services to their people. Supplies need to be given to those most in need. By taking care of the rural population the government will be helping the cities, because it is these rural communities where the damage to the water supply is beginning due to lack of access to sanitation supplies and clean water education.


It is either you didn't read the post to the end or you're a hopeless Zulu suffering from word-blindness and having the attention span of a domestic squirrel. _idiota.

lezz:
Let me also quote from the same source. Note that you said south Africa is dry which I never denied . I only opined that there are also other issues contributing to your water crisis like infrastructure and water facility. Here is an excerpt from the quote :



Also, preventative measures that were put in place such as the construction of dams in the area have not even started or are still in the process of being built and those structures that are in place now are slowly collapsing. Those in rural areas still lack access to water. One report stated that in 2008 about 5 million people lack access to water and 15 million lack access to basic sanitation. This number has improved greatly since the end of apartheid in 1994, however these numbers are still too high and not one person should ever lack access to the most basic necessity of life, which is water.



Overall, infrastructure is lacking, whether or not it is old pipes or ignorance the South Africa water crisis is here and affecting millions. There has been a backlog in services since the end of apartheid and that needs to change. The national and local governments of South Africa need to do a better job of offering services to their people. Supplies need to be given to those most in need. By taking care of the rural population the government will be helping the cities, because it is these rural communities where the damage to the water supply is beginning due to lack of access to sanitation supplies and clean water education.


It is either you didn't read the post to the end or you're a hopeless Zulu suffering from word-blindness and having the attention span of a domestic squirrel. _idiota.

The writer of this article should have instead visited Nigeria and other African countries to assess how far such countries have fared up to now as far as provision of clean water to the public is concerned. The world is expecting SA to be spotless and look like Europe while they are ignoring the rest of Africa.

I assure you, SA is by far better than the rest of the continent.

jln115:
I beg to differ!

How are they more powerful than Iran?

Msauza:
You have misquoted Snyder and he does not not suffer from dyslexia at all. You are confusing characters here. You are even wrong with your 15 million because your source states clearly that in 2008 there were some 15 million South Africans who did not have access to sanitation and water majority of whom lived in villages, but they admmited that the situation improved to a greater extent ever since.

The only part of SA that still struggles with water supply and sanitation is the one that is situated in remote area where installations of pipes is impossible since most of those villages are in mountaneous places.

Lay the bullshit aside.
You claimed my source proved me wrong. Defend yourself. Let me see you say that there's no mention of infrastructure and supply in south Africa's water woes.

Msauza:
The writer of this article should have instead visited Nigeria and other African countries to assess how far such countries have fared up to now as far as provision of clean water to the public is concerned. The world is expecting SA to be spotless and look like Europe while they are ignoring the rest of Africa.

I assure you, SA is by far better than the rest of the continent.

You're digressing. Stick to your claims.

Anyway you have implicitly admitted you never read the article in full.

lezz:
You're digressing. Stick to your claims.

Anyway you have implicitly admitted you never read the article in full.

The writer should have instead investigated how many of 180 million of Nigerians have access to water and sanitation and compare that to South Africa. He surely could have never wrote that aticle knowing that South Africans are just better off than the rest of the continent

Henry240:
How are they more powerful than Iran?

Technology, Equipment, Training

lezz:
Lay the bullshit aside.
You claimed my source proved me wrong. Defend yourself. Let me see you say that there's no mention of infrastructure and supply in south Africa's water woes.

Nigeria cities cannot even provide 30% of their citizens with clean water. Guess who is talking about infrastructure.

jln115:
Technology, Equipment, Training

Technology alone doesn't win wars.

Equipment, the Iranians are just as well equipped than both the Israelis and Turks. The only area Israel and Turkey have an advantage is in superior air power. In other areas, the Iranians have an advantage.

Training, no evidence the turks and Israelis are better trained.

Msauza:
Nigeria cities cannot even provide 30% of their citizens with clean water. Guess who is talking about infrastructure.

Still changing the focal point albeit desperately this time around.

You said my link was wrong but I see you're now defending your country with that same link

You see why zulus are forever intriguing to me

lezz:
Still changing the focal point albeit desperately this time around.

You said my link was wrong but I see you're now defending your country with that same link

You see why zulus are forever intriguing to me

Yes, your link is wrong 100%. I reckon that.

Msauza:
Yes, your link is wrong 100%. I reckon that.

Pathetic. Yet you're condemning the writer

lezz:
Pathetic. Yet you're condemning the writer

Dummy!!! SA has not been experiencing heavy rains in five years and drought which is also affecting parts of SADEC such as Botswana has now led to serious water shortage.

http://www.sabc.co.za/news/a/c6b4bf004a89b74b8aa2aaa65ed2c195/South-Africans-urged-to-change-watering-practices-20151111

SA is experiencing El Nino which is now impacting on its water storages and the problems has less to do with infrastructure. Bringing infrastructure into this has more to do with politics by some dissidents who are trying to score some cheap political goals. I have been living around Gauteng from cradle and this situation as we were told is caused by drought which has been hitting KZN for some time.


http://af.reuters.com/article/southAfricaNews/idAFL8N13532R20151110

Pehaps Botswana as well suffers from water crisis because of infrastructure.



http://en.starafrica.com/news/botswana-water-crisis-worsens.html

http://www.mmegi.bw/index.php?sid=2&aid=64&dir=2013/may/Monday20

Msauza:
Dummy!!! SA has not been experiencing heavy rains in five years and drought which is also affecting parts of SADEC such as Botswana has now led to serious water shortage.

http://www.sabc.co.za/news/a/c6b4bf004a89b74b8aa2aaa65ed2c195/South-Africans-urged-to-change-watering-practices-20151111

It doesn't add to anything under context here.

You said my link didn't prove my point and when I furnished you with excerpts on your weak infrastructure and dilapidation of supply links, you started jumbing about reigning insults on the writer and bringing points out of context.

Zulus can't stay focused.

snydergp1st:
I see you forget very quickly that during war time we will arm our Navy and Gripens with the systems we need to counter any threat.

We have a upgraded large supply ship also so what's your point does that determine the outcome of a war.
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Your only supply ship is obsolete about 30 years old and SAN is thinking to replace it, your fücking weak and helpless SAS Drakensberg that ran away from Ivory Coast just because one NAF Alpha jet arrived in Abidjan and Nigeria used it to threaten you and South Africa obeyed our command to leave West African oceans.

That big fat weak supply ship will be sunk in 5 minutes by Algerian air force air launched anti-ship missiles.

You say you gonna buy new weapons in war? Algeria too can buy much more than South Africa because they are far richer than your debt ridden country where SANDF has been declared cash broke.

Algeria will defeat and colonize South Africa and African Union will be begging the Arabs to free you.