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snydergp1st:
You do know that Iran is a over 1500km away from Israel.

The Iron dome system was quite effective against Hamas rockets at such a short distance and time to respond to those.

Now imagine what 50 Jericho III's will do when armed with non nuclear warheads.

Iran currently still possess limited means of attacking Israel but in 5-10years they may be a hole new different opponent if they go ahead with there proposed acquisitions.

iblawi:
I wondered how Europe plans to paralyze you by opening branches in your country to produce weapons.




You are making a big mistake by saying tech is beyond our reach. Let me remind you that necessity and interest is what drives innovation. There is nothing Dat makes hydrogen powered vehicle beyond our reach if for any reason it becomes necessary for us to build it we will.




Have any South African University produced such drone?



Why is it call BAE and not DENEL



Nigerians don't worship white. We have always been independent.



I don't know of a second generation Nigerians and 8th generation whites.



We are still military weapon development.

lionel4power:
[b]

-- from Isreal to Iran is 1500km too
-- lol iron dome is a fraud
-- Iran has the best surface to surface missiles in the whole region

Gaza Rockets Penetrate Israeli Defense System
Due to Iron Dome Malfunction
Two rockets hit Be'er Sheva school and residential neighborhood; senior official to Haaretz: Iron
Dome cannot provide absolute protection.
Two rockets hit Be'er Sheva school and residential neighborhood; senior official to Haaretz: Iron
Dome cannot provide absolute protection.

www.haaretz.com/israel-news/gaza-rockets-penetrate-israeli-defense-system-due-to-iron-dome-malfunction-1.417864


Israeli Rocket Defense System Is Failing
at Crucial Task, Expert Analysts Say
Although it appears to hit incoming Hamas rockets, Israel’s system could be
falling short of detonating the rockets’ warheads.
Iron Dome air defense system
Flawed
technology:
Analysts question
whether Israel’s
Iron Dome air
defense system,
seen here firing to
intercept a rocket
headed for Tel
Aviv, is achieving
its aims.
Even though Israel’s U.S.-funded “Iron Dome” rocket-
defense interceptors appear to be hitting Hamas rockets
in recent days, they are almost certainly failing in the
crucial job of detonating those rockets’ shrapnel-
packed explosive warheads, expert analysts say.
As a result, rockets fired from Gaza are probably
plunging to the ground with intact explosives. The fact
that they aren’t causing injuries or deaths in Tel Aviv,
Jerusalem, and other cities is mainly a matter of luck,
the analysts add.


www.technologyreview.com/news/528916/israeli-rocket-defense-system-is-failing-at-crucial-task-expert-analysts-say/

-- IRON DOME WAS A MASSIVE FAILURE THATS WHY THE USA WHO FUNDED IT IS NOT USING IT.
--IRAN HAS THE BEST SURFACE TO SURFACE MISSILES IN THE WHOLE REGION... BOTH IN QUALITY AND QUANTITY.
-- IRAN WOULD BOMBARD ISREAL INTO ARMAGEDDON AND STILL HAVE REASONS TO BUILD NUKES.
--IRAN IS TYE REGIONAL SUPER POWER THATS WHAT THE IRAN-IRAQ WAR WAS ABOUT


IRAN SAFFIL MISSILE IS 1600KM RANGE
IRAN SAJJIL MISSILE IS 3700KM RANGE
IRAN HAS ISREAL IN ITS KILLZONE... ITS JUST THE FEAR OF MORE SANCTIONS THAT'S STOPPING IRAN.[/b]

Patchesagain:
Consult SIPRI

We are amongst the Top 20 in the world. We are not ahead of ONLY lowly Uzbekistan... WE ARE AHEAD OF EVERY SINGLE OTHER COUNTRY ON EARTH

Clown

Patchesagain:
Israel claims that of the purported 3,500 rockets fired from Gaza during its latest military operation, 90 percent of those that would have hit population centres were neutralised by the Iron Dome system
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/08/israel-iron-dome-gaza-rockets-201481712494436388.html

Iron Dome

Failing

Toppest of LOL's

Also, you are ignoring SPYDER and Arrow and David's Sling which also make up their air defence system

You see, the Jews have an INTEGRATED air defense system composed of multiple layers of defenses.

Any missile headed towards Isreal has to defeat 4 layers of air-defence missiles (excluding fighters) before it hits the ground.

jln115:
bae land systems is now called denel land systems after they acquired the majority stake in bae land systems in 2014 anyway that's all from my said I'm not going to involve myself further in your guys debat!!

agaugust:
Hamas or Hezbollar home made rockets are unguided and crap, they have no electronic countermeasures to challenge intercepting missiles.

Iran builds sophisticated missiles and likely the biggest missile producer in the 3rd world....100 years ahead of South Africa
.

jln115:
Israel have a much more powerful Gunship fleet, so combine that with their Tank fleet.

agaugust:
You merely paid cash to buy the shares because your ANC law forces foreign companies to sell majority shares to South Africans.

BAE technology remains imported from Britain, you import British technology, call the company any name you like, DENEL or whatever, it is still British technology being imported by you, British engineering brains doing the job while you claim the glory for South Africa, thief !

agaugust:
Iranian SAMs will shoot down all Israeli Apache gunship helicopters in one day.

Patchesagain:
Israel claims that of the purported 3,500 rockets fired from Gaza during its latest military operation, 90 percent of those that would have hit population centres were neutralised by the Iron Dome system
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/08/israel-iron-dome-gaza-rockets-201481712494436388.html

Iron Dome

Failing

Toppest of LOL's

Also, you are ignoring SPYDER and Arrow and David's Sling which also make up their air defence system

You see, the Jews have an INTEGRATED air defense system composed of multiple layers of defenses.

Any missile headed towards Isreal has to defeat 4 layers of air-defence missiles (excluding fighters) before it hits the ground.

Patchesagain:
[size=13pt]Yet again, augubug is trying to compensate for Nigerian inferiority.... [/size]

jln115:
1. You don't know what a Data link is, and secondly neither Algeria or Egypt have a tactical data link.

2. Why if the umkhonto is so sh1t, are why are they using them on their flagship vessels?

3. Thales South Africa Pty Ltd is a South African company founded in South Africa, by South Africans and is run by South Africans, just how BAE land systems was/is a South African company. And when did SAAB refuse that we integrate the al tariq on the Gripen? It's our weapon and our fighters, we can do what ever the Bleep we like.

4. What's your point? Never did I say SAAB was a South African company? All I pointed out was that South African technicians maintain our fighter fleet....and I even mentioned that we imort all our spares from Europe... So why are you arguing something that I'm agreeing with you about?

5.Rheinmetall is co owned by Rheinmetall Germany and Denel dipshitt. And secondly I never said BAE was South African.

Lastly don't compare your defence industry with ours.... That's like comparing the Nigerian cricket team with the Proteas

jln115:
If Iran were a 100 years ahead of us, why did beg us to help them with their nuclear missile program?

agaugust:
Iran's nuclear technology is NOT from South Africa, they got it from Russia and North Korea.

Iran is 100 years years ahead of South Africa in defence industry, they built 3,000 km range missiles, jet fighters, submarines.....

http://www.rohama.org/en/news/8153/irans-home-made-aircraft-and-jet-fighters-in-irans-air-force

South Africa is far behind several 3rd world countries in defence industry, you only do well in MRAPs majorly, and you export a lot, other countries use their products locally to feed their large military needs, not like South Africa that has only 46 units of it`s own artillery and 12 units of it`s own helicopter gunship.

http://www.rohama.org/en/news/8153/irans-home-made-aircraft-and-jet-fighters-in-irans-air-force

Iran builds jet fighters !

jln115:
MRAPs to the USA,India to name just two
AAMs to Brazil
SAMs to Algeria,Finland,Brazil(possibility)
Artillery pieces to Omen,UAE,Iran, Qatar,Malaysia
Smart bombs to unnamed country, South Korea(possibility)
Anti Tank missiles to Egypt, Algeria,Malaysia
HMDs to France,Sweden
Patrol vessels to Nigeria

We rank 18th in the world when it comes to weapon exports...were does Nigeria rank?

jln115:
Yes Iran whent to Russia and Korea after they begged us for help and we said NO.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/02/spy-cables-south-africa-spies-iran-operations-guardian-ssa-tehran-undercover-carpet--150219184023503.html



The rest of your post is just random bullsshit!

jln115:
Yes Iran whent to Russia and Korea after they begged us for help and we said NO.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/02/spy-cables-south-africa-spies-iran-operations-guardian-ssa-tehran-undercover-carpet--150219184023503.html

agaugust:
1. Egypt and Algeria do not talk about their communication systems, nobody know if they have tactical datalinks, you cannot prove they do not have, same way I cannot prove they have it.

2. Algeria believes in buying weapons from north, east, west, south, they buy from over 10 different countries, it's their national defence policy to diversify sources of arms procurement. Besides, they feel the umkhonto is already integrated on Meko 200 used by SAN, so it makes easy sense to buy same. However the Algerians have 40 km Russian SAM on their Tigre frigates, they have missiles superior to Umkhnoto. Flagship does not matter, it's a ceremonial jargon. Also, they might not find Russian missile easy to install on a German Meko frigate, it will need Russian and German military engineers working together and that may be hard to achieve since the two white nations are enemies, then Umkhonto becomes easy option.

3. Thales is a French company you thief ! The logo is from France, you cannot use it as a South African original or else you will be in violation of international patent rights and end up in world court for stealing. Thales South Africa is merely a branch of Thales France, ALL the Thales products made in South African defence industry are imported French technology that you claim for yourselves you glory thief !

90% of South African defence industry is owned by Europe, they own you !

See all the logos are the same exactly, Thales South Africa, Thales United Kingdom, Thales France

https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/careers/south-africa

https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/united-kingdom

https://www.thalesgroup.com/en

France owns Thales defence industry South Africa . PROVED !

4. Sweden owns SAAB 100%

5. Rheinmetall is German, they own South African Rheinmetall, you cannot use a PATENTED name without affiliation with the parent company, Germany owns Rheinmetall defence company South Africa, they can pull the plugs on you and South African defence industry drops dead. All the Rheinmetall defecne products made in South Africa are imported materials, parts, and technology from Germany, they own you.

Rheinmetall has branches ALL OVER THE WORLD....

http://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/en/rheinmetall_defence/company/locations_worldwide/index.php

Rheinmetall America

http://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/en/rheinmetall_defence/company/divisions_and_subsidiaries/american_rheinmetall_munitions/index.php

Rheinmetall Canada

http://www.rheinmetall.ca/en/rheinmetall_canada/index.php
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90% of South African defence industry is owned and fed fat by Europe.....Nigeria owns her own defence industry.....we are not a colony like South Africa [/size]
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jln115:
Where in our fvcking law does it state that foreign companies must sell majority of their stake to South Africans? Please show me!!!

iblawi:
It still means they didn't get it from you.

jln115:
Yes Iran whent to Russia and Korea after they begged us for help and we said NO.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/02/spy-cables-south-africa-spies-iran-operations-guardian-ssa-tehran-undercover-carpet--150219184023503.html



The rest of your post is just random bullsshit!

agaugust:
MULTINATIONALS

The codes of good practice allow foreign multinational companies doing business in South Africa some flexibility in how they structure their empowerment deals. In particular, the codes acknowledge that there may be multinationals whose global practices prevent them
from complying with the ownership element of Black Economic Empowerment (BEE) through the traditional sale of shares to black South Africans.

In such cases, the codes allow for contributions in lieu of equity sales. These contributions, known as ‘equity equivalent’ contributions, count towards the ownership element ofnBBBEE and can allow companies to place extra effort on areas such as skills development, training, preferential procurement and social responsibility. The value of these contributions may be measured against 25% of the value of a multinational's South African operations, or against 4% of the total revenue from South African operations annually over the period of continued measurement.

Foreign multinationals can submit proposals for Equity Equivalent Programmes to the Department of Trade and Industry for approval by the Minister of Trade and Industry.

CONCLUSION

It is fundamental to doing business in South Africa that potential investors become familiar with and meet their obligations in terms of BBBEE laws and regulations.

http://www.uhy.com/wp-content/uploads/Doing-Business-in-South-Africa.pdf

You force European companies to sell shares to South Africans and add your name to their own. The company has a South African look outwardly but inwardly it is European 100%.

90% of South African defence industry is owned by Europeans. Nigerian defence industry is NOT a colony like yours. We own our stuff.
.

jln115:
Don't compare your defence industry to ours....

agaugust:
It`s NOT official....it`s speculation from so called spies that have no name and no identity.

Your source is garbage.

jln115:
Read my fvcking post again retaaard!! I ask you again were in our law does it state that foreign companies have to sell the majority of their shares.

jln115:
It's from official documents agubugu!!

agaugust:
Nigeria like Iran and Egypt, uses most of her defence products locally, why export when we do not have enough for huge local needs.

Nigerian navy has NO South African patrol boat.

You sold ATGMs, Iran makes them, even Sudan makes them. No big deal.

You did NOT sell AAM to Brazil, A-Darter is a joint project and carries Brazilian logo on it. Brazil gave you the technology. You glory thief.

You sold NOTHING to France

You sold ONLY MRAP to Sweden

You sold no SAM to Brazil

You sold NOTHING to South Korea.

I confirmed ALL South African arms exports on SIPRI....

You sell mostly MRAPs. Other weapon sales are few numbers or low value....you are nothing special.

90% of your South African defence industry is NOT yours, they are European companies opening branches in South Africa. You fvcking thief !
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agaugust:
Mumu, read the pdf file, no majority shares means no government patronage or contracts, their business will collapse for lack of patronage.

http://www.uhy.com/wp-content/uploads/Doing-Business-in-South-Africa.pdf

agaugust:
Show us the official sources or documents.....like I just showed you a pdf file.

jln115:
1. Iran can build their own ATGM why then did they buy them from us? Same goes with regards to Egypt