dolphinheart:

Yep, even the holy spirit was catholic.


So what happened to the 7 inspired books .


So the church changed there language from Greek to Latin right? Bet it was the holy spirit that gave the command.....or probably it was the ruling goverment of the day that influenced such decision. Catholic church had been known to romance the ruling goverment of the day.

Ubenedictus:


there is a point u seem ignorant of, at that time the new testamement was still been written! They were just letters then! The scripture that passage is talking about is d one it says timothy knows from Childhood, it seems u didnt read d whole passage. It is talking abt the Old Testament alone! That was d only available known scripture. If u apply ur funny logic that means d old testament contains everything needed by a Christian.
The bible doesn't say so!

What the bible says is pretty different! It says it is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
It says it is profitable for all those thing, it doesn't say it is sufficient! The gathering of d faithful is also profitable but not necesary sufficient.

The bible doesnt say all u need for salvation is written. It says d scripture (in d right context d old testament) is profitable for salvation.

dolphinheart:


Ur attempt to link the book of john with the greek book of Esther will not work.

John was present when the events he recorded occured.
In cases he did not witness himself, he was told by those who witnessed it and he recorded it.

This is different with ur book of Esther.

The events john recorded, the list of events, its numbering, and words are totally different from other gospel writers.
This is different with ur book of Esther.

John did not retell a story, it recorded events that occured during his time. You retell a story when you are using other peoples works to tell that story, but when you words are based on your personal experiences, it is your own story, a tale of what you experienced and how you saw things.

If me and you decide to write about a trip to a place in which we stayed together in the same place and talking to same people, we will still not write the same thing or same way even though we right about the same events.
So john was telling his own experience and not retelling that of others.

I've asked you to provide details on the greek book of Esther.

dolphinheart:


Pls tell , what do you need for salvation that is not in the scriptures, by these we will know if its the old scriptures that was being said or the whole scriptures that is inspired of God.

dolphinheart:

Give me an example.

And did I say so too.?

Here we go again, tell us one of those letters and where we cam find it, who wrote it and when it was written, its theme or purpose.

PastorAIO:



Abeg, please don't mind me o. I just want to exercise a little bit of pedantry.

I think when he says 'so equipped' he means the 'so' in the sense of referencing the manner at hand. Like when you might say 'thus equipped'.


in the manner now being indicated or exemplified; in this way.
"she rang up Susan, and while she was thus engaged Chignell summoned the doctor"
synonyms: like this/that, in this/that way, in this/that manner, in this/that fashion, so, like so; More
3.

so the 'so' is still referring to the 'completely'. It is like someone says, 'John is coming'. Then someone else says,' oh, He is coming?'.

Then the first guy retorts that he didn't say 'He is coming' he said 'JOHN is coming'. As long as the He is referring to John there is no problem.

As long as 'so equipped' is a reference to 'completely equipped' there is no problem.

it is equipped so. How so? completely so.

Now I have another question. Would any of us say that the Church is completely equipped for salvation?

dolphinheart:


Bro, we are discussing , we will use the scripture to help us take a position, if you feel that the use of images in the scripture goes along with use of the image of mary, qoute the scripture and let us examine it. I've not erected a goal post , talkless of shifting it.

dolphinheart:
Nop, just saying that all man requires for salvation was written down so that in the future, no man or group of men can come up and bring a doctrine or teaching claiming its from the holy spirit talking to him or them. With the scriptures we can know fake holy spirit from real holy spirit. You and I do know that a lot of people do claim that the holy spirit is showing them things. Some na only disaster e dey show them .

dolphinheart:
Pls answer my questions in colour.

dolphinheart:

The websites supported their views with pictures of known members of ur church frolicking with the people that caused millions of death, or are you saying that those pictures are not real.
It is a fact that some members of the church participated in these killings and some blessed such killers .
Did the pope take action against such people?
Where they expelled from the church?
Did the church stop associating with such one?
As long as the church allowed them to still be members while they continue to so such atrocities, it means the church supports there actions. No matter how much the church condemn the actions of the war, I see it as gimmick, a publicity stunt that does not reach the heart of its members.


Those pictures where taken as at when the event occured or where occuring. What did the church do after it occured?

Ubenedictus:
ok dear, let me go your way.
1kings 6 and 7 we see so many temple images that don't have express divine command. It seems d artist used his artistic imagination and made image of bull, other animals, some plants and even cherubim (not d ones wit d ark), it seems d guy made some images just like that. What is ur position on that since u say they cant make image witout express command. I see u have limited ur attack to mary's image.

Image is image, if u are gonna give a pass 4 Jesus image then u have no case.

dolphinheart:

No sir, mary is not the ark of the covenant. Mary had nothing to do with the old covenant other than following it.



Oops! , I've said something, but I've read it sha.


Bro one thing I dnt like is trying to ascribe words or statements to scriptures in which the scriptures never made mention of those words or implied them.
The verses did not say "God the holy ". It did not say "the ark bacame the dwelling place of the presence of God"
Why are you now ascribing those words to the scripture when the scriptures says otherwise.
Ex 40:34-38
Then a cloud covered the tent(or tebanacle, definitely not ark) of the congregation, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle.(it did not say "God the holy spirit".
And Moses was not able to enter into the tent(not ark) of the congregation, because the
cloud abode thereon, and the
glory of the LORD filled the
tabernacle. And when the
cloud was taken up from over the tabernacle,[b](these shows you that it did not dwell in there) the children of Israel went onward in all their journeys: But if the cloud were not taken up, then they journeyed not till the day that it was taken up. For the cloud of the LORD was upon the tabernacle(not ark) by day,
and fire was on it by night, in the sight of all the house of Israel,(everybody saw the cloud and fire, it cannot be in the ark or tebernacle cus there are restrictions as to who can enter the tebernacle.) throughout all their journeys.


Another wrong analysis

Luke 1:35
The angel answered, "The
Holy Spirit will come on you,(her whole self, not just her womb. Remember, jesus was concieved) and the [b]power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.[/b]
The holy one is the son of God not the "presence of God".
Moreover, its on record that David prayed to God that he should not take the spirit away from him, that means the holy spirit dwells in David, does that make him the ark of the covenant too?

dolphinheart:


This was before the scriptures of the new testament written by the followers of jesus
.
After it guided them to the truth, they wrote these truth down.
All that is beneficial was written down.
Even the reason why they had the truth in them, that the holy spirit guided them , was written down. If it was not written down in the scriptures, you wunt be quoting it in ur post. So the inspired scriptures is fully equipped.
You know why God did it this way, so that in the future some people will not form an organization and start spewing false doctrines while claiming its from the holy spirit. If it does not go along with what the spirit had guided the apostles to write down , then it is false.

The holy spirit guided them to know what they should do, jesus did not need to tell them about the bible.


Even this was written down, so that when it happens we wunt be confused and Satan wunt have a chance to confuse things, and even if he does, we will know how to search for the truth. With the scriptures
We can know if ur prophecy, miracle, healing, words, are true or not. The catholic church wants to take this power away from the scriptures cus it exposes and falsify some of their doctrines.

Ubenedictus:
actually, latin was the common language at the time, not because of any 'romance', by that time the empire had been moved from rome to constatinople (where greek was still spoken), the change in language had nothing to do wit d government of d day, d government was out of rome.

Ubenedictus:
if d bolded is true why did paul mandate dat his oral traditions be transmitting thru word of mouth from generation to d next?

Aizenosa:


U quite forget that John wrote that all isn't in his gospel and yet his gospel is the most comprehensive

Ubenedictus:
2 tim 3:15
And how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in
Christ Jesus.

This is what d bible said, it was talking abt d scriptures timothy knw from infancy i.e the old testament.
So let me ask u d same question
is the scriptures timothy knew from infancy suffient for u? Or simply profitable as d bible says.

So now let me answer ur question. When Jesus left d earth he didnt just leave us a book, infact he never mentions a tin abt writting a book! Fewer than half of d apostle wrote books in d new testament. What Jesus did say to peter is "upon this rock i will build my church...and the gates of hades will not prevail against it".
So for salvation, i not only have scripture, but the divinely established church to teach and interprete it.

Ubenedictus:
2 th 2:15, 3:6

if u are aware dat ur bible doesnt contain all revealed truth then why are u teaching sola scriptura?

this is an xample of an appetizer work, d apostle wasn't even interested in putting much on paper instead he tell dem dat he is coming to teach with word. 2 jn 1:12.

Ubenedictus:
ok dear, let me go your way.
1kings 6 and 7 we see so many temple images that don't have express divine command. It seems d artist used his artistic imagination and made image of bull, other animals, some plants and even cherubim (not d ones wit d ark), it seems d guy made some images just like that. What is ur position on that since u say they cant make image witout express command. I see u have limited ur attack to mary's image.

Image is image, if u are gonna give a pass 4 Jesus image then u have no case.

Ubenedictus:
which ones are in colour?

Aizenosa:


Same also persons who they quote their names while praying, we are all images.

Ubenedictus:


there is a point u seem ignorant of, at that time the new testamement was still been written! They were just letters then! The scripture that passage is talking about is d one it says timothy knows from Childhood, it seems u didnt read d whole passage. It is talking abt the Old Testament alone! That was d only available known scripture. If u apply ur funny logic that means d old testament contains everything needed by a Christian.
The bible doesn't say so!

What the bible says is pretty different! It says it is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
It says it is profitable for all those thing, it doesn't say it is sufficient! The gathering of d faithful is also profitable but not necesary sufficient.

The bible doesnt say all u need for salvation is written. It says d scripture (in d right context d old testament) is profitable for salvation.

dolphinheart:


Simple question I asked you Bro, u re turning it into something else . Pls tell us, what do we need for salvation that is not written in the scriptures.?

dolphinheart:

Bro, I asked for the source itself.
If you feel oral traditions are being passed down and not written in the scriptures and that you know it, pls let us hear one of them.


Do you need all revealed truth to gain salvation? What revealed truth do you know that was not in the scriptures and let's see if it is neccessary for salvation, not man made ritual, not taken from pagan worship and does not contradict the scriptures .


You are still quoting the scriptures Bro. Give us an example that is not included in the scriptures.

dolphinheart:


What "all" isn't in john's gospel.?
Does it change the fact that what he wrote was what he experienced, what he saw and was told?

dolphinheart:

No sir, mary is not the ark of the covenant. Mary had nothing to do with the old covenant other than following it.



Oops! , I've said something, but I've read it sha.


Bro one thing I dnt like is trying to ascribe words or statements to scriptures in which the scriptures never made mention of those words or implied them.
The verses did not say "God the holy ". It did not say "the ark bacame the dwelling place of the presence of God"
Why are you now ascribing those words to the scripture when the scriptures says otherwise.
Ex 40:34-38
Then a cloud covered the tent(or tebanacle, definitely not ark) of the congregation, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle.(it did not say "God the holy spirit".
And Moses was not able to enter into the tent(not ark) of the congregation, because the
cloud abode thereon, and the
glory of the LORD filled the
tabernacle. [b]And when the
cloud was taken up from over the tabernacle,[b](these shows you that it did not dwell in there) the children of Israel went onward in all their journeys: But if the cloud were not taken up, then they journeyed not till the day that it was taken up. For the cloud of the LORD was upon the tabernacle(not ark) by day,
and fire was on it by night, in the sight of all the house of Israel,(everybody saw the cloud and fire, it cannot be in the ark or tebernacle cus there are restrictions as to who can enter the tebernacle.) throughout all their journeys.

Jolliano:


1. The interpretation of Scripture is not in scripture.

2. The list of books which actually make up the scriptures is not found in the scriptures.

3. The Word of God(JESUS) is not the same as the word of God(BIBLE). Jesus is centrally and mainly needed for salvation not the bible. And Jesus is present to us through his Mystical Body(Which according to the bible is the Church He built) and not through the bible.

Again, when Paul wrote that Letter, many new testament books had not been written. Paul wrote that letter to defend the use of the Old Testament(Books of Judaism) in teaching because Jesus used it also.

Understand that there was no New Testament when he wrote that letter.

Jolliano:


Oh. Pagan worship. So when Christ offered himself as a bloody sacrifice, He did not know what He was doing?
When he celebrated Passover, he didn't know abi?

Aizenosa:

Pls kindly show me this in John's gospel because it said He was there Mark 9: 2-13 also in 2 Peter 1: 16-18

rosalieene:
NOTICE!! TO ALL CATHOLICS.
Arguing with all this pentecostals is not just worth it. The time you'd use to do something better, you use it to argue with ignorant people. Whatever they think is their cup of tea!. Not your business. I still say it, its until when you attend the church and have a better view, that's when you ll know what the church is like and not staying from afar to condemn it. Catholics, the most important thing now is to do the will of God and make heaven! simple!!. Stop arguing with jobless people..