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Re: Calling Niger Deltans "Ignorant And Helpless" Is The Height Of Cluelessness by TonyeBarcanista(m): 9:49am On Dec 07, 2015
fx45:
Tactlessness Mr! In all things always try and show a high level of tact. You goofed on that. Same reason Wike might loose the upcoming elections if he doesn't retrace his steps.
nonsense! Wike will Win whether... "Rivers people" will return Wike to power and not outsiders. Keep your threat to yourself!
Re: Calling Niger Deltans "Ignorant And Helpless" Is The Height Of Cluelessness by fx45(m): 9:49am On Dec 07, 2015
Truckpusher:
Ma nigga , these our dangerous neighbors will kill you here. grin
Trucky, you're his only surviving Road Dog. You guys need to be strong for each other. grin grin grin grin grin

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Re: Calling Niger Deltans "Ignorant And Helpless" Is The Height Of Cluelessness by fx45(m): 9:55am On Dec 07, 2015
TonyeBarcanista:
nonsense! Wike will Win whether... "Rivers people" will return Wike to power and not outsiders. Keep your threat to yourself!
You don't seem to understand the battle we're fighting. What's the update on Bayelsa? The evil APC is hell-bent on taking all and it doesn't serve your cause well when your support base is weakened. The marauding APC should be a source of worry to you. INEC is gone, the judiciary is gone. What do you have left? The people.... And you want to lose that as well? Think
Re: Calling Niger Deltans "Ignorant And Helpless" Is The Height Of Cluelessness by TonyeBarcanista(m): 10:03am On Dec 07, 2015
fx45:
You don't seem to understand the battle we're fighting. What's the update on Bayelsa? The evil APC is hell-bent on taking all and it doesn't serve your cause well when your support base is weakened. The marauding APC should be a source of worry to you. INEC is gone, the judiciary is gone. What do you have left? The people.... And you want to lose that as well? Think
What concerns APC with this thread? Let me be very clear, Bayelsa state election has been decided by Bayelsa people. From all indication, Dickson is set to be re-elected. There's nothing anybody can do about it!

I don't see why you are crying more than the bereaved. I don't see how this affect the thread.
Re: Calling Niger Deltans "Ignorant And Helpless" Is The Height Of Cluelessness by Afam4eva(m): 10:07am On Dec 07, 2015
The Nigerian Delta groups are hopeful that one day they will be allowed to control the resources found in their backyard. While hope is a good thing and should be encouraged. However when more than one group of people are hoping and their hopes are on a parallel line then miracle suffices. I don't think see the born to rule North hoping that one day they will leave the oil to the owners. That oilnis why they are still hopeful and existing else they would have called for secession before any group in Nigeria. Keep hope alive.
Re: Calling Niger Deltans "Ignorant And Helpless" Is The Height Of Cluelessness by vladimiros: 10:49am On Dec 07, 2015
emmysoftyou:
dont mind them..
My friend where in akwa ibom re you from?
Messere o?
I am from ikot Abasi LGA..

Messere OH!!
Re: Calling Niger Deltans "Ignorant And Helpless" Is The Height Of Cluelessness by vladimiros: 10:50am On Dec 07, 2015
Afam4eva:
The Nigerian Delta groups are hopeful that one day they will be allowed to control the resources found in their backyard. While hope is a good thing and should be encouraged. However when more than one group of people are hoping and their hopes are on a parallel line then miracle suffices. I don't think see the born to rule North hoping that one day they will leave the oil to the owners. That oilnis why they are still hopeful and existing else they would have called for secession before any group in Nigeria. Keep hope alive.

WE SS believe in a fiscal Autonomy..

anyone can own our Oil licenses, just pay tax to us..

The North are smoking a heavy weed if they think they would hold Nigeria controleld from Abuja forever, it won't work..
Re: Calling Niger Deltans "Ignorant And Helpless" Is The Height Of Cluelessness by Afam4eva(m): 10:54am On Dec 07, 2015
vladimiros:


WE SS believe in a fiscal Autonomy..

anyone can own our Oil licenses, just pay tax to us..

The North are smoking a heavy weed if they think they would hold Nigeria controleld from Abuja forever, it won't work..
Like I said, keep hope alive while they fix your autonomy.

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Re: Calling Niger Deltans "Ignorant And Helpless" Is The Height Of Cluelessness by endoski: 10:56am On Dec 07, 2015
VickJames:
The south south region are helpless and that is the pure fact.

you listed a whole lot of things and what is the effect of what isaac adaka boro or what happened to ken saro wiwa? all these men lived in dreams and when real decision were made, those things they fought were taken into obscurity.

how many years did the midwestern region last?

where is the niger delta republic?

You claim to be from south south but i bet you have not really been to the different local governments where oil is been drilled. these people constitute one of the poorest people in this country.

your south south is helpless because if you are powerful as you think and bring senseless history, 80percent of the oil wells will be owned by the people from the region and not from faraway north.

if you think that south south isnt helpless, your brotherly in Udi would not have been killed by obasanjo government.

the south south are helpless because with the northerners drinking your oil wells, no man in the south south have the license to mine gold in sokoto or in osun. but they have license to head the refineries in warri, ph. a northerner is also the md of shell nigeria.

so, you are powerless and helpless. they called your brother a drunkard.

they locked your freedom fighter, asari in an underground prison.

they killed your former freedom fighters.

yes you are powerless and helpless
nyc one bro,tank u for speaking the bitter truth.
This is the problem i hv wit those in the ss,instead they join biafra nd make tins easy fkr themselves nd they're there dying in silence,they're all bunch of dullards.
nyc write up bro.
Re: Calling Niger Deltans "Ignorant And Helpless" Is The Height Of Cluelessness by vladimiros: 10:56am On Dec 07, 2015
Afam4eva:

Like I said, keep hope alive while they fix your autonomy.

look, The North won't agree to Autonomy EVER, but its something that would happen, not instantly but slowly..

Buhari would have to read the Confab report anytime in the future whether he likes it or not, it would kickstart the motion for autonomy
Re: Calling Niger Deltans "Ignorant And Helpless" Is The Height Of Cluelessness by Afam4eva(m): 10:58am On Dec 07, 2015
vladimiros:


look, The North won't agree to Autonomy EVER, but its something that would happen, not instantly but slowly..

Buhari would have to read the Confab report anytime in the future whether he likes it or not, it would kickstart the motion for autonomy
Even you can't see the contradiction in your post. If the North won't agree to autonomy ever, then ow do you hope something will happen? Anyways, lets just keep hope alive.

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Re: Calling Niger Deltans "Ignorant And Helpless" Is The Height Of Cluelessness by vladimiros: 10:58am On Dec 07, 2015
endoski:
nyc one bro,tank u for speaking the bitter truth.
This is the problem i hv wit those in the ss,instead they join biafra nd make tins easy fkr themselves nd they're there dying in silence,they're all bunch of dullards.
nyc write up bro.


joining Biafra won 't make things easier for us..

you SE need to know the country you are in?

you shout for things that won't happen, you have to be " Subtle" call for true federalism which would lead to an actual fiscal autonomy

you are not in Europe, you are in Africa
Re: Calling Niger Deltans "Ignorant And Helpless" Is The Height Of Cluelessness by vladimiros: 10:59am On Dec 07, 2015
Afam4eva:

Even you can't see the contradiction in your post. If the North won't agree to autonomy ever, then ow do you hope something will happen? Anyways, lets just keep hope alive.

the fact they won't agree to it does not mean it won't happen..


its an Immoveable Force that can't be stopped

I meant, they won't like it but it will happen
Re: Calling Niger Deltans "Ignorant And Helpless" Is The Height Of Cluelessness by Afam4eva(m): 11:01am On Dec 07, 2015
vladimiros:


the fact they won't agree to it does not mean it won't happen..


its an Immoveable Force that can't be stopped

I meant, they won't like it but it will happen
Youre still beatig around the bush. If you know they won't agreebtobit then how do think it will happen? Through civil disobedience?
Re: Calling Niger Deltans "Ignorant And Helpless" Is The Height Of Cluelessness by Nobody: 11:01am On Dec 07, 2015
vladimiros:



joining Biafra won 't make things easier for us..

you SE need to know the country you are in?

you shout for things that won't happen, you have to be " Subtle" call for true federalism which would lead to an actual fiscal autonomy

you are not in Europe, you are in Africa

Are you kidding me?!?!
Aren't you guys aware that the confab report of last year has been thrashed into incarceration by Buhari?

Like someone said here...
Keep the hope alive and transfer to your children and children children.
Re: Calling Niger Deltans "Ignorant And Helpless" Is The Height Of Cluelessness by Afam4eva(m): 11:02am On Dec 07, 2015
vladimiros:



joining Biafra won 't make things easier for us..

you SE need to know the country you are in?

you shout for things that won't happen, you have to be " Subtle" call for true federalism which would lead to an actual fiscal autonomy

you are not in Europe, you are in Africa
You got it wrong in your last sentence. It's in Europe that you have to be subtle and rely on presenting your case in a mature manner. In Africa, its the other way around. They won't listen to you until you do something...

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Re: Calling Niger Deltans "Ignorant And Helpless" Is The Height Of Cluelessness by vladimiros: 11:04am On Dec 07, 2015
Afam4eva:

Youre still beatig around the bush. If you know they won't agreebtobit then how do think it will happen? Through civil disobedience?

did you think they agreed to NDDC being formed? they did not and it happened

they were sceptic about forming a Ministry of ND after we got a Commision. it happened

they fought Tooth and Nail to make us not get a % of derivation and since 2012 have been fighting it,, yet nothing..

they are not as powerful as they seem..
Re: Calling Niger Deltans "Ignorant And Helpless" Is The Height Of Cluelessness by vladimiros: 11:05am On Dec 07, 2015
Afam4eva:

You got it wrong in your last sentence. It's in Europe that you have to be subtle and rely on presenting your case in a mature manner. In Africa, its the other way around. They won't listen to you until you do something...

and how has Biafra agitation worked?

in SS we were subtle for asking for state recognition.. IT WORKED!!!

then we moved to derivation.. IT WORKED!!
then we moved to creating a commision..IT WORKED..


if we had protested for a break out it would have failed..

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Re: Calling Niger Deltans "Ignorant And Helpless" Is The Height Of Cluelessness by Truckpusher(m): 11:06am On Dec 07, 2015
fx45:
Trucky, you're his only surviving Road Dog. You guys need to be strong for each other. grin grin grin grin grin
Lol, we are stuck together in telling the truth so we and you guys can work together in love and not in bitterness to achieve one goal , after all we are all in the same boat. Aren't we ? grin
Re: Calling Niger Deltans "Ignorant And Helpless" Is The Height Of Cluelessness by vladimiros: 11:06am On Dec 07, 2015
YoundDoctor:


Are you kidding me?!?!
Aren't you guys aware that the confab report of last year has been thrashed into incarceration by Buhari?

Like someone said here...
Keep the hope alive and transfer to your children and children children.

The confab report would be read..

if it is not read PMB would obviously waste money and do his own, which would have the same results as GEJ's confab..
Re: Calling Niger Deltans "Ignorant And Helpless" Is The Height Of Cluelessness by Nobody: 11:07am On Dec 07, 2015
Afam4eva:

You got it wrong in your last sentence. It's in Europe that you have to be subtle and rely on presenting your case in a mature manner. In Africa, its the other way around. They won't listen to you until you do something...

You have always been objective with the happenings in Nigeria in respect to Africa...
I pity those still playing partisanship with Nigeria.
Exhibiting unwarranted emotional attitudes and building hopes on sandy foundations.
Re: Calling Niger Deltans "Ignorant And Helpless" Is The Height Of Cluelessness by boujaye: 11:10am On Dec 07, 2015
TonyeBarcanista:
I read a thread written by a member of this forum with username 'Sweetguy25' titled Reasons Why Yoruba And Hausa Are Happy Being Nigerians. In the thread, the writer, inspired by the figment of his own imagination gave some reasons why some ethnic groups are 'happy' being Nigerians. In the said write-up, the writer wrote some insulting remark on the Ijaws and other ethnic nationalities in the Niger-Delta. In the words of the writer, "the reasons why Ijaws and other minorities in the South South are “content being Nigerians” Ignorance and helplessness. .

The position of the writer on the Ijaws and other ethnic nationalities within the Niger Delta region is a statement cluelessness and ignorance to be fair with the author. May I remind the author that the ethnic minorities in present day Edo and Delta states are the first and only group of post-independent Nigeria that got their demand(Midwest) through referendum after years of civil agitation. Till date, no other group in Nigeria have got ANY of their demand through referendum. It is on record that an Ijaw youth named Major Isaac Jasper Adaka Boro was the first in the history of Nigeria to declare an independent republic in 1966, the Niger Delta Republic. It is on record that an Ogoni man named Mr Ken Saro Wiwa defied the military junta of Abacha to press for an end to environmental pollution in Ogoni land and the Niger Delta region. It is on record that Ijaw youths in the late 1998 defied the military government of Abdulsallam by declaring their bill of right in Kaiama, Bayelsa state. This was after the Ogonis have did theirs in 1991. In fact, virtually all ethnic nationalities in the south south including Ikwerre, Urhobo, Oron etc have their respective Bills of Right, all of which are before the United Nation Organisation, African Union, ECOWAS, Commonwealth, and the Federal Government of Nigeria. Though I don't support armed struggle, it is on record that the first post civil war group to carry arms against the Nigeria State are Niger Delta youths, when the demanded an end to marginalisation.

Considering all these, is it not in place to state that the author of that said article is misinformed? Can a helpless group declare sovereignty in the military era? Can a helpless group challenge Abacha? Can a helpless group pick up arms? Can an ignorant group maintain their advancement for fiscal autonomy? Were the Midwest(Edo and Delta) ignorant and helpless when they pushed and got demand for a separate region? Can ignorant and helpless group identify what they need from the system, document them and present them to local and global authorities? Why then should someone make himself to believe that Niger-Deltans are 'happy' being Nigerians due to ignorance and helplessness?

It is always proper for people to check records before uttering statement in public that portrays them as ill-informed and clueless.

I believe that no Nigerian is happy with the present state of the country irrespective of the position of the selfish and greedy elite. The ethnic nationalities in the south south shall continue to advance for fiscal autonomy within the Nigeria State by exploring every peaceful and legitimate option available. A time shall come when Nigeria State will be left with no option but to call for all ethnic groups to a round table in order to restructure the system for the good of all Nigerians.




May God Bless Us All and Bless Nigeria

Professor, Respect. I dough my hat for your brilliant and enlightened inputs and argument of facts.
Re: Calling Niger Deltans "Ignorant And Helpless" Is The Height Of Cluelessness by Afam4eva(m): 11:11am On Dec 07, 2015
vladimiros:


did you think they agreed to NDDC being formed? they did not and it happened

they were sceptic about forming a Ministry of ND after we got a Commision. it happened

they fought Tooth and Nail to make us not get a % of derivation and since 2012 have been fighting it,, yet nothing..

they are not as powerful as they seem..
vladimiros:

and how has Biafra agitation worked?
in SS we were subtle for asking for state recognition.. IT WORKED!!!
then we moved to derivation.. IT WORKED!!
then we moved to creating a commision..IT WORKED..
if we had protested for a break out it would have failed..
The Northern leaders are not idiots. Things like NDDC and more derivation were created to ease the tension. The Niger Delta has the negotiating power that Igbos don't have. Do you think that if the SE had as much oil as the SS, a sixth state wouldn't have been created for the SE? They know SS is a region that they have to appease one way or the other but stretching it is when you expect that the same corrupt individuals will just wakeup one morning and give you total autonomy of your resources.
Re: Calling Niger Deltans "Ignorant And Helpless" Is The Height Of Cluelessness by vladimiros: 11:16am On Dec 07, 2015
wirinet:


The south east is smarter than us south south, because they are aware of the factors and the reality on the ground, hence they seeking to run away? So the only way the south south can become smart is by joining you guys to run away. O boy see logic.

The problem is that you guys distort history, fact and logic to promote your agenda. Yes derivation was 50% pre-civil war, but during and after the Igbo inspired civil war, derivation was 0%, yes nothing. It was during the second republic that derivation was brought to about 5%. under the military intervention of 1984 - 1999, derivation was undefined, it was anything the military head of state decided. It was through intense lobbying and negotiations that we were able to achieve 13%. although we are advocating for 50% derivation, we know that a fair percentage is 25, 50% is unrealistic. The Igbos should realize that in negotiations, you do not get 100% of your demands.

It is ironic that this poster is claiming Igbo are smarter than south south. South south have always gotten whatever they demanded (at least some concession) from the Nigerian state, while the Igbos had gotten almost nothing.
We demanded for a separate region, we got it.
We demanded for more states, we got six.
We demanded for a minimum of 25% derivation, we got 13%
We have Nigerdelta ministry and NDDC.
We demanded offshore non-dichotomy, we got it.
We demanded stoppage in the exploitation of the Nigerdelta oil communities by oil communities and the FG, we got amnesty and presidency.


Now what Igbos have demanded and gotten from the Nigerian federation. you have the audacity to call us ignorant and clueless.

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Thank you, this is what the igbos don't seem to get, we get what we deman.. yet as for them they don't..

then they called us Ignorant
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Re: Calling Niger Deltans "Ignorant And Helpless" Is The Height Of Cluelessness by Nobody: 11:16am On Dec 07, 2015
vladimiros:


The confab report would be read..

if it is not read PMB would obviously waste money and do his own, which would have the same results as GEJ's confab..

And who told you that resource control must be among the topic of discussion that will be raised.?

The earlier you wake up to reality the better for you...
How can you be living on false hopes and just fold your hands thinking that resource control will fall from heaven...

There is a strong probability that if by chance buhari holds a confab.
motion of resource control being outlawed in the discussion might be moved... And guess what..
All the northerners will support it, the westerners will support it and the south easterners may decide to support it this time, which they have never did in the past history. Thereby leaving only the SS.
As you expect, the motion will be implemented...

This is not being delusional but being realistic and objective.

Go think about it and reflect on your thoughts.

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Re: Calling Niger Deltans "Ignorant And Helpless" Is The Height Of Cluelessness by MrAnalyst: 11:19am On Dec 07, 2015
vladimiros:


[size=14pt]80% of the Oil well are owned by Northerners, but we get the 13% derivation...

the Northerners who own the oil well pay tax to government who pay us tax in derivation..

secondly, IF THE OIL WAS IN YORUBA LAND, 80% OF THE OIL WELL WOULD BE OWNED BY FULANIS..

i am done with you...
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I can't believe you actually posted this. I'm even ashamed reading this comment-'but we get 13% derivation...'
You don't know how atrocious the system is that's why you can say 'but we get 13% derivation'. *smh*
Re: Calling Niger Deltans "Ignorant And Helpless" Is The Height Of Cluelessness by Truckpusher(m): 11:20am On Dec 07, 2015
vladimiros:


and how has Biafra agitation worked?

in SS we were subtle for asking for state recognition.. IT WORKED!!!

then we moved to derivation.. IT WORKED!!
then we moved to creating a commision..IT WORKED..


if we had protested for a break out it would have failed..
This is the same message we've been passing to them.
These power drunk oligarchs in the North and their foot soldiers in other regions are looking for an excuse to bring the SE and SS down and it seems the SE is willing to give them that opportunity - The gains made by the Igbo man after the civil war which was followed by repression and policies of subjugation shouldn't be sacrificed on the alter of ego trips and some level of perceived strength.
You do not give a perceived enemy the opportunity to start his madness until he's on a point where you can deal with him mercilessly on your own terms .Ojukwu fell for it and it would be madness to use the same method that failed before in such a sensitive issue such as secession.
Countries like Nigeria do not divide with the leaders of the different regions holding hands and singing * one love * but divides with the bloods of patriots and citizens pouring like water.However, one must make sure that it is not your own blood or that of your own people that will pay the ultimate price and make the ultimate sacrifice.
Common sense must be applied even in the face of dehumanization and slavery else you'll give whoever that is enslaving you the opportunity to do whatever he wishes. This is common sense.

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Re: Calling Niger Deltans "Ignorant And Helpless" Is The Height Of Cluelessness by MrAnalyst: 11:25am On Dec 07, 2015
TonyeBarcanista:

I still don't understand what your problem is. You talked about Odi but you forgot what pre-empt FG action(perhaps you don't know). Though I Condemn the action of both the criminals in Odi and the FG in strong terms.

What is your business and problem with who owns oil licence? Oil licence is simply a meal ticket for government allies and their corrupt friends. Our Demand is RESOURCE CONTROL not a common OML.

Whoever call Jonathan drunk fisherman is referring to Jonathan. The election is OVER and we have moved on to the next phase.

I don't know how the above makes one helpless. If you are 'helpful' why not stage a showdown with FG?

You say you're after resource control-I support! but surprisingly some ss here are happy saying 'we get 13% derivation'. There are reasons people point to you lots as confused. It's okay though.
Re: Calling Niger Deltans "Ignorant And Helpless" Is The Height Of Cluelessness by Nobody: 11:29am On Dec 07, 2015
vladimiros:


WE SS believe in a fiscal Autonomy..

anyone can own our Oil licenses, just pay tax to us..

The North are smoking a heavy weed if they think they would hold Nigeria controleld from Abuja forever, it won't work..


They are already holding it n it a working.

The 13% derivation u people get from ur oil is not even enough to clean the environment from degradation coming from crude oil waste products.
Re: Calling Niger Deltans "Ignorant And Helpless" Is The Height Of Cluelessness by ketchupBoy: 11:30am On Dec 07, 2015
MrAnalyst:


You say you're after resource control-I support! but surprisingly some ss here are happy saying 'we get 13% derivation'. There are reasons people point to you lots as confused. It's okay though.

why don't you try and read with comprehension..

what the Ss are saying is that, they got 13% derivation and they later agitated for a Commission and a Ministry which was granted to them.

now add the budget from derivation and NDDC is it not more than 13%..??

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