₦airaland Forum

Truckpusher:
Of course Biafra must be realized and can be realized but anything that has to do with any form of armed conflict - Count us out.

It only Nigerians that ignorantly think war when self-determination is mentioned. You once claimed to be educated but lack every symptom of learned person. Europeans have seen countries divide into two without a shot fired in anger. Is this candor elusive to Africans? Why must anybody think war because certain group of people simply want to depart from the imperialistic creation such as Nigeria? Again, clarity is the hallmark of well educated individuals. Could you please elaborated on the bolded so that Biafrans can know who are "us" in the above post?

fastestfinger:
you accuse us of reacting emotionally...aren't you guilty of the same thing?

My reactions wasn't emotionally induced but a strong rebuttal to your bogus claims and twisting of historical facts to soothe your new method of always claiming to be the victim all time .

Duru1:
It only Nigerians that ignorantly think war when self-determination is mentioned. You once claimed to be educated but lack every symptom of learned person. Europeans have seen countries divide into two without a shot fired in anger. Is this candor elusive to Africans? Why must anybody think war because certain group of people simply want to depart from the imperialistic creation such as Nigeria? Again, clarity is the hallmark of well educated individuals. Could you please elaborated on the bolded so that Biafrans can know who are "us" in the above post?

he meant if you guys get a referendum, we in the SS would support you, if you go Ojukwu 2.0, its OYO for you

vladimiros:
I am from ikot Abasi LGA..

Messere OH!!

i was expecting you to say messere nde?
Or is that not how they replied if i first greeted you?
Anyway,ikot abasi is a small town developing gradually.
Do you stay in akwa ibom?
I do come to eket ,grace bill road. Wheneva i want to pay visit to my friends at ibeno? Do you know the place?

Truckpusher:
Eastern Region wasn't a separate entity or a sovereign state and the Nigerian military has every right to deploy their troops to any part of the country.

Eastern region became a separate entity when the military governor of the region did not recognize the position of the coupists who killed the head of state. Gowon could not venture into eastern region or have any authority over eastern region. If Gowon had such authorities, there should be no civil war. Gowon could simply call for Ojukwu's arrest. If eastern region was not a separate entity at the period in discussion, why did the federal government of Nigeria led by Gowon attend the Aburi peace conference?

Duru1:
Eastern region became a separate entity when the military governor of the region did not recognize the position of the coupists who killed the head of state. Gowon could not venture into eastern region or have ant authority over eastern region. If Gowon had such authorities, there should be no civil war. Gowon could simply call for Ojukwu's arrest. If eastern region was not a separate entity as the period in discussion, why did the federal government of Nigeria led by Gowon attend the Aburi peace conference?

No, Gowon could not simply call for Ojukwu's arrest.

the eastern government had to be recognized as a legal separate country by the Nigerian authorities, but it wasn't,

ketchupBoy:
he meant if you guys get a referendum, we in the SS would support you, if you go Ojukwu 2.0, its OYO for you

This is typical issue with Nigerians when they try to reap where they did not sow. If you do not fight for the alleged referendum, what else support is needed from the so-called SS aftermath? Unfortunately, most Nigerians are still locked in 1967 but today is not yesteryears.

Duru1:
It only Nigerians that ignorantly think war when self-determination is mentioned. You once claimed to be educated but lack every symptom of learned person. Europeans have seen countries divide into two without a shot fired in anger. Is this candor elusive to Africans? Why must anybody think war because certain group of people simply want to depart from the imperialistic creation such as Nigeria? Again, clarity is the hallmark of well educated individuals. Could you please elaborated on the bolded so that Biafrans can know who are "us" in the above post?

There are roadblocks to freedom and it's only a foolish man that thinks the way you do.
Smh
I'm done with your childish rants - This is the last reply you'll ever get from me .
I've got no time to educate dimwits.
One quick question : who shoots at unarmed protesters in a 21st century democracy?

ketchupBoy:
No, Gowon could not simply call for Ojukwu's arrest.

the eastern government had to be recognized as a legal separate country by the Nigerian authorities, but it wasn't,

If Gowon could not call for Ojukwu's arrest, it means he did not have legal or military authority over eastern region. One wonders what pedigree Gowon has to divide eastern region into state other than provocation.

Duru1:
Eastern region became a separate entity when the military governor of the region did not recognize the position of the coupists who killed the head of state. Gowon could not venture into eastern region or have ant authority over eastern region. If Gowon had such authorities, there should be no civil war. Gowon could simply call for Ojukwu's arrest. If eastern region was not a separate entity as the period in discussion, why did the federal government of Nigeria led by Gowon attend the Aburi peace conference?

You said he could simply call for Ojukwu's arrest but he didn't and it was then left for Ojukwu to know that these guys were up to something not too good for him and his people.

Refer back to my statements about a bully.

Duru1:
This is typical issue with Nigerians when they try to reap where they did not sow. If you do not fight for the alleged referendum, what else support is needed from the so-called SS aftermath? Unfortunately, most Nigerians are still locked in 1967 but today is not yesteryears.

oh I did not mean we would join Biafra, I meant we would support your struggle to be independent for yourself.

Duru1:
If Gowon could not call for Ojukwu's arrest, it means he did not have legal or military authority over eastern region. One wonders what pedigree Gowon has to divide eastern region into state other than provocation.

Ojukwu was in charge of his own Army, had influence and shite..

Gowon could call for his arrest but who was going to arrest him?

ketchupBoy:
which Igbo man fought for South South?

which igbo man played an essential role in this region having 6 states?

which Igbo man was crucial in the creation of NDDC?

Ekwueme was responsible for emergence of South-South Region during the 1994/95 constitutional conference

Former Vice President Atiku Abubakar at a function in 2012 wished he had supported the Ekwueme proposal on the restructuring of the country during the 1994/95 constitutional conference.

Atiku who now wants the country structured in such a way that it would strengthen the various geopolitical zones admitted that the present structure is impeding the country’s progress.

He said “I want to recall that during the 1994-95 Constitutional Conference, Dr. Alex Ekwueme, the Second Republic vice president of this federation, introduced and canvassed for the concept of geopolitical zones.

“I was among those who opposed it because I thought that Ekwueme, coming from the defunct Republic of Biafra, wanted to break up the country again.

“Now, I realise that I should have supported him because our current federal structure is clearly not working.

Dr. Ekwueme obviously saw what some of us, with our civil war mindset, could not see at the time. There is indeed too much concentration of power and resources at the centre.

“And it is stifling our march to true greatness as a nation



http://sunnewsonline.com/new/new-twist-in-clamour-for-polity-restructuring/


Chuba Okadigbo as senate President mobilized Umar N'Abba the Speaker of HOR to overturn President Obasanjo's veto on establishment of NNDC.


Little boy stop discussing issues beyond your intelligence

LadyExcellency:
Ekwueme was responsible for emergence of South-South Region during the 1994/95 constitutional conference

Former Vice President Atiku Abubakar at a function in 2012 wished he had supported the Ekwueme proposal on the restructuring of the country during the 1994/95 constitutional conference.

Atiku who now wants the country structured in such a way that it would strengthen the various geopolitical zones admitted that the present structure is impeding the country’s progress.

He said “I want to recall that during the 1994-95 Constitutional Conference, Dr. Alex Ekwueme, the Second Republic vice president of this federation, introduced and canvassed for the concept of geopolitical zones.

“I was among those who opposed it because I thought that Ekwueme, coming from the defunct Republic of Biafra, wanted to break up the country again.

“Now, I realise that I should have supported him because our current federal structure is clearly not working.

Dr. Ekwueme obviously saw what some of us, with our civil war mindset, could not see at the time. There is indeed too much concentration of power and resources at the centre.

“And it is stifling our march to true greatness as a nation



http://sunnewsonline.com/new/new-twist-in-clamour-for-polity-restructuring/


Chuba Okadigbo as senate President mobilized Umar N'Abba the Speaker of HOR to overturn President Obasanjo's veto.


Little boy stop discussing issues beyond your intelligence

Ekweme fought for everyone here, calling for total restructuring here..

I am talking about an Igbo man in the same light as ken sawo wiwa..

go on

pweetychyka:
And u keep killing it!
I jez dey leave ma job dey read dis ma friends post!
Cos it is always educating....

Your buttlicking is nauseating.

ketchupBoy:
Ekweme fought for everyone here, calling for total restructuring here..

I am talking about an Igbo man in the same light as ken sawo wiwa..

go on

As I said before


Chuba Okadigbo as Senate President mobilized Umar N'Abba the Speaker of HOR to overturn President Obasanjo's veto on establishment of NNDC.


Without the doggedness of Sen. Chuba Okadigbo the then Senate President standing up against President Obasanjo, there would have been no NNDC and probably no Niger Delta Ministry

Southeasterners fight while South-south benefits.

The agitation of Biafra may bring back the call for implementation of 2014 confab back to the table and South-south will reap from blood of IPOB agitators.

Obiagu1:
Quote of the Year:

The reasons why Ijaws and other minorities in the South South are “content being Nigerians”
Ignorance and helplessness. That’s all. The minority tribes in Nigeria’s Niger Delta generate a bulk of the country’s revenue but they’re some of the poorest people you can ever find in Africa. Most Nigerians from the west and north barely even know they exist.

By a NigerDeltan.

I am sure you are a non oil producing attache by force "Nigerdeltan of Igbo" extraction, no true Nigerdeltan would make these statements. The reasons Nigerdelta people are poor is not because we are not getting enough money (derivation + federal allocations) from the federal Government, it is because the money is mis-appropriated and looted by the political elite. The Nigerdelta recieves more money than most countries in black africa. The total allocation to the Nigerdelta region is more than the budget of Mali, Benin republic, Gabon, Liberia.

In 2013 the total federal; allocations to 4 Nigerdelta states is almost as much as Ghana's 2015 budget.
Akwa Ibom - (N260 billion or $1.7 billion)
Rivers - (N230 billion or $1.5 billion)
Delta - (N209 billion or $1.3 billion)
Bayelsa - (N173 billion or $1.1 billion)
Total Allocations for 2013 is (871billion or $5.6 billion). This is not taking into account internally generated revenue, allocations to NDDC, Nigerdelta ministry and amnesty program.
Meanwhile, the total budget for Ghana's 2015 budget is 29.7 billion Ghanian Cedis which is the equivalent of 7.81 billion dollars.

Definitions:
Stupidity is when you ask for resource control for 50 years out of a 100 years your oil is supposed to last and you keep asking for the same thing when you are not succeeding.

First what is your definition of Resource control? Is it taking 100% of oil proceeds, then you are in Utopia. No mineral resource community in the world control 100% of their resources. We currently have 13% of proceeds from our resources( if we add General federal allocations, Nigerdelta ministry and NDDC, it would be closer to 20%), which is not too bad, but 25 - 30% would be excellent.

Ignorance is when you don't know that you are jumping head first into a pit full of shit in 50 years time when your only bargaining power is exhausted and you have nothing to show for it.

As i said the reason we are having little to show for our rescources is because of Greedy politicians, like Ibori, Uduaghan, Odili, Amaechi, Alamiesiegha, and others who loot the allocations ment to develop the Nigerdelta.

Helplessness is when you are used and dumped and you have nothing to fall on to and no one cares if you still exist.

Nobody has used and dumped the Nigerdelta. We are more politically revelant than the south east, more projects are sited in the Nigerdelta than the south east, we have more and better political offices than the south east.
Then the Gas resources of the south south has not even been touched. Gas is the future of energy, and we are fully poised to continue to use that as a bargaining chip.

Tell tell me how these definition of stupidity and helplessnes does not apply to the south east.

Ugomba:
thank u. But what do u mean by ur comment? Did anyone offend u?

No I mean u said what I was about to say.
Meaning u went into my head to know what I'm thinking. Another way of saying 'u took the words out of my mouth'

wirinet:
I am sure you are a non oil producing attache by force "Nigerdeltan of Igbo" extraction, no true Nigerdeltan would make these statements. The reasons Nigerdelta people are poor is not because we are not getting enough money (derivation + federal allocations) from the federal Government, it is because the money is mis-appropriated and looted by the political elite. The Nigerdelta recieves more money than most countries in black africa. The total allocation to the Nigerdelta region is more than the budget of Mali, Benin republic, Gabon, Liberia.

In 2013 these are the total allocations to 4 Nigerdelta states is almost as much as Ghana's 2015 budget.
Akwa Ibom - (N260 billion or $1.7 billion)
Rivers - (N230 billion or $1.5 billion)
Delta - (N209 billion or $1.3 billion)
Bayelsa - (N173 billion or $1.1 billion)
Total Allocations for 2013 is (871billion or $5.6 billion). This is not taking into account internally generated revenue, allocations to NDDC, Nigerdelta ministry and amnesty program.
Meanwhile, the total budget for Ghana's 2015 budget is 29.7 billion Ghanian Cedis which is the equivalent of 7.81 billion dollars.


First what is your definition of Resource control? Is it taking 100% of oil proceeds, then you are in Utopia. No mineral resource community in the world control 100% of their resources. We currently have 13% of proceeds from our resources( if we add General federal allocations, Nigerdelta ministry and NDDC, it would be closer to 20%), which is not too bad, but 25 - 30% would be excellent.
As i said the reason we are having little to show for our rescources is because of Greedy politicians, like Ibori, Uduaghan, Odili, Amaechi, Alamiesiegha, and others who loot the allocations ment to develop the Nigerdelta.


Nobody has used and dumped the Nigerdelta. We are more politically revelant than the south east, more projects are sited in the Nigerdelta than the south east, we have more and better political offices than the south east.
Then the Gas resources of the south south has not even been touched. Gas is the future of energy, and we are fully poised to continue to use that as a bargaining chip.

Tell tell me how these definition of stupidity and helplessnes does not apply to the south east.

On point

Truckpusher:
Great points my friend .
But think again what do you think will happen if the old regional structure is restored under a democratic govt?
You'll see the emergence of fearless and eloquent and violent outspoken personalities like Nnamdi Kanu and Asari Dokubo which will lead to the benching of the old order in the South which do not have a strong control over their own people like the North and if these guys are pan Africanist in nature it will rubbish the old order which will send out a strong message to their counterpart in the North and with the shades of Islam they are so done.
This is the last thing the house master wants to see it happen.
Have you bothered to ask yourself why Northern elites aren't bothered about the level of illiteracy in the North while their Southern counterpart aren't bothered about the poverty rate and ignorance in the South? The logic simple;keep them hungry and uneducated and watch them scramble to survive. But feed them and give them education and watch them ask hard questions.
Nigeria needs education but we are too polarized on region, religion and ethnicity that it will take the intervention of the gods to free us from ourselves.
Eloquent, violent and fearless individuals is what any govt fears most. They are a catalyst to a revolution.

Actually...it does not have to revert back to the old tripod of Hausa,Igbo and Yoruba.
You will agree with me that political consciousness and awareness has grown across all ethnic groups in Nigeria.
Almost all minorities have more educated political players than what was obtained back then.
That means the era of state creation by fiat is gone, also the lumping of incompatible groups with each other.
Let every group mix and match themselves as needed...ofcourse within reasonable limits...so it doesnt end up being a joke.
I say, the number of regions could be increased within reasonable limits. The USA is a living testimony to what individual states can accomplish with relative autonomy from the center.

Those who do not want to identify with say the Igbos can join whomever they feel comfy with.
The Tivs and Beroms can finally get the Hausas or Fulanis out of their land if they feel like.
Thing is no one group should manage the destiny of another to their detriment.
In my opinion, the FIRST THING that needs to be done away with is the Obasanjo's Land Use Act.
The fact that Nigerians of all ethnicities have not risen up to ask for Obasanjo's head over that Act till now tells me how intelligent
our so called educated men and women are.

That Land Use Act favours a select few who are hell bent on milking the country dry from the centre.
And ofcourse, I see the hand of the Westerners played out in that move. It was apparently a smart move to keep the petrodollars in the hands of the landlords of then Dodan Barracks and now Aso rock.
Fact of the matter is there has been no incentive for state governments to raise revenue independently...and even more there has been NO COMPETITION to drive regional development policies.

Imagine what revenue Osun state can generate RIGHT NOW by granting gold mining licenses to Chinese or Indian companies.
Ponder for a while on what Awolowo and the brilliant minds he brought together would have wrought in the SW if the old region had existed till now. Or what the forward thinking Michael Okpara would have done across the Eastern region. Even the North would have grown into a veritable food basket for West Africa.
The Niger Delta are not even aware they are the biggest losers in this resource extraction game.
When the onshore wells finally dry up...their already destroyed ecosystem will be left for them to manage.
The North still have the ace card, their lands, farms and waters are still in tact.

Each region should have the autonomy to use resources on its land to generate revenue.
The Executive should focus squarely on taxation,the civil and foreign service and armed forces.
Any other abrogation of powers that should be inherent in regional or state governments should be prevented.
I think Nigerians know enough now never to allow smooth talking ethnic baiters to talk them into running the current unproductive federal structure. Its a journey to no where.

We need each other actually, the integration has already happened and the market force of the Nigerian population ensures we remain a regional powerhouse in Africa. Squandering that opportunity after all these years of pain and suffering will be foolish IMO.
At the end of the day, superior minds and superior administration will make or mar the economic prosperity of any region.
Voting in one inept government after another will not solve any of the problems facing us.
Abi how you take see am?

MrAnalyst:
Igbos are lazy and fradulent. iPOB killed nine people? Oh my God,I can't belief my eyes. Somebody actually posted this!

And so what?

Rose2014:
No I mean u said what I was about to say.
Meaning u went into my head to know what I'm thinking. Another way of saying 'u took the words out of my mouth'

okay. I just don't know how some people tink dat their "anti Igbo agenda" will sell again here in South South. No one will buy it again.

prelinctus:
Your buttlicking is nauseating.

Really?
Y r u hating?

Will follow u up wen ur write-ups becomes educating...

Bigprozzie:
Tonyebarcanista

God bless you for this write-up

It is clear that IPOB members are bu.tt hurt that the SS are not supporting their useless Biafra

Yesterday Wike of Rivers gave IPOB a Black eye by decorating Gowon- the slayer of Biafra, he thanked him for creating Rivers State, another way of saying thank you for separating us from Biafrans

In Senegal, IPOB members were arrested, disgraced and were thrown out of a football match because as usual, they were constituting themselves as nuisances

They have been shouting but everyone is ignoring them and avoiding them like plagues

They wrote letters to Nnamdi Kanu's MP in England and he just dismissed them like ants that dont matter

IPOB is DESPERATE for the SS to join them. WHY?? Because of OYEL . Because they are resource poor and very lazy and fraudulent people.

IPOB is now a terrorist organisation after they destroyed a mosque in Anambra and killed 9 people including Nigerian policemen

Watch how IPOB will be added to the terrorist watch-list by Interpol, FBI and the DSS in the coming weeks

A write up of a man who is afraid. SS this, SS that, is it the same SS are from. Like I always say, a referendum will define the territory of Biafra. Do you think you are wiser than the FG? U are not? Why haven't they conducted a referendum if u are so sure the whole of SS will vote against? Becos they are afraid. Why are they afraid? They av access to classified info you don't av access to. Like I always say, a referendum will break many hearts, urs inclusive.

pweetychyka:
Really?
Y r u hating?

Will follow u up wen ur write-ups becomes educating...

Thanks but no thanks. Don't have time for lackeys.

prelinctus:
Thanks but no thanks. Don't have time for lackeys.

Don't worry! U can keep d thanks
I really don't insult peeps cos I dunno where I myt meet dem 2mao

Jez be ghud n learn to encourage people dat r educating n exposing u on history u need to knw
All thanks to the intelligent Truckpusher

Truckpusher:
Edwin Clark's action didn't go down well with vibrant Ijaw youths that understood that the task ahead isn't something that would be accomplished by Ijaws alone.
Besides , the bulk of the people that engaged in the armed struggle were mostly ijaws while the Ogonis expelled shell from their land and the Ogbas choses to negotiate with the two oil majors for scholarships from primary to university education both national and international level , employment quota and infrastructural development and contracts as well as health facilities and youth sustainable programs which I'm a living beneficiary of almost all of them.
So, tell me why would a neighbor after seeing people like us benefiting from these things want to ask his child or ward to bear arms to get his right back or go about it violently ?
We are making progress, it is a slow one but we'll not go about it violently and if that's what makes us ignorant and lost so be it - Pick up arms and demand for your right , we are waiting for the outcome.

So if that be the case, why was the SS arm struggle termed Niger delta arm struggle and not Ijaw arm struggle.

Who is fooling who.

And for record sake, no prominent Ijaw body was against Edwin clark's insistence that the VP position must go to Ijaw cloaked as Niger delta.

[b] socio-political group in the South-South, ekpeye Youth Congress (EYC), has dismissed claims in some quarters that the immediate past president, Goodluck Jonathan empowered the people of the region.

Former President Goodluck Jonathan

The group made this known in a statement jointly signed by its president-general and acting secretary, emenike Uriah Musa and Anthony Onyemachi. The group dismissed the purported assertion made by Senator Shehu Sani, that the people of the Niger Delta were the major beneficiaries of Jonathan’s administration.

READ ALSO: Ijaw Leader Praises Appointment Of Boroh

According to Daily Trust the group said that the Ijaws were the main beneficiaries of the appointments and programmes carried out throughout the period Jonathan served as president.

The group said: “The attention of the ekpeye Youth Congress (EYC) World-Wide has been drawn to the vituperations of one Mallam Shehu Sani, Senator Representing Kaduna North Senatorial District in the print media, to the effect that the people of Niger Delta are the only ones who benefited in political appointments and infrastructural development in the former President Goodluck Jonathan Administration, and that the North and South West did not benefit.”

READ ALSO: Oil Thieves Nabbed By JTF In Niger Delta

The group added that apart from the Ijaws, other major ethnic groups like the Urhobos, Ibibios, Anangs, Ogonis, Efiks, Ikwerres, Etches, Ekpeyes, Ndokwas,Ogojas, Ogbas as well as Binis, while others were left out.

“The beneficiaries of the Presidential Amnesty Programme were 90% of Ijaw extraction,” the group said.

The post Crack In Niger Delta Over Alleged Favouritism Of Ijaws By Jonathan appeared first on Nigeria News today & Breaking news | Read on NAIJ.COM.

This is the type of Niger delta republic Ijaws want!

All the Niger delta struggle the last decade ended up with Ijaws grabbing the entire dividend.

- Ijaw vp
- Ijaw president
- Ijaw 90% beneficiaries of the Amnesty program, in a region with up to 50 other ethnic groups. [/b]

If the Niger delta arm struggle was an Ijaw majority struggle and hence justified Ijaws lionshare of the windfall, why thenwas the struggle dubiously tagged Niger delta instead of Ijaw by the Ijaws?

So, you guys need to go back to the drawing board as we all are well aware that without having the Niger Delta behind you , you'll always remain at the mercy of the fulani man and his co conspirators and of course without the support of the Igbos the Niger delta ethnic groups will remain where they are right now too.
No one should be playing the big brother here but respect for ethnic boundaries, equality and respect for other people's ways of addressing themselves will go a long way in forging that much desired unity we all needed like water.
We are in the same boat.

On the contrary, we( Ndiigbo) are not in the same boat with the non Igbo ethnicities in the SS.

Igboland has the best of human development indices in Nigeria, we are on the average better off than all other Nigerian groups, we can afford to sit and wait out on Nigerian crude oil to dry up.

We are not the ones at the risk of our environment being degraded with crude oil spills and a whole ecosystem damaged, As a major group in Nigeria, our share at the national level will always be preserved, and we can always team up with the Arewa-Oduanistanis to get more allocation from ND oil wealth.

But we know we can do better outside Nigeria, we know we should be channelling our efforts at building a society we can all be proud of, and not waste them on mudslinging face offs with retrogressive bitter Nigerian groups.

So, No. We are not in the same boat with Ijaws, but we somehow all want to arrive at the same destination, ie total control of all nature has blessed us with.

And the talk of respect of ethnic boundaries coming from an Ijaw man like you is quite hypocritical and funny the same time, seeing that you had always remained quiet in Barcanista threads where he goes on claiming that Ndoki is Ijaw.

It is a historical fact that Ndiigbo as people are not expansionists, so the respecting ethnic boundaries ish is DOA and completely out of point.