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Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by italo: 9:45am On Dec 16, 2015
NanaAmofah:
My brother in the God not all christains attend church on sundays and also celebrate easter and christmas and do u know that catholic bible is different from some of ours. So I hav humbly answered ur question waiting for the answer of mine thanks

You haven't answered.

Even your Bible (27-book New Testament was compiled by the Catholic Church in 382AD.

So Who were the Catholic's serving when the compiled and canonized the Bible you're carrying about...when they instituted Christmas and Easter that most Christians (including your so-called pastors like Adeboye) celebrate...when they changed the day of worship to Sunday that most Christians adhere to?

God, Saints or Mary?
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody: 9:46am On Dec 16, 2015
NanaAmofah:
Now let's take it from dis point

Following.
when ur parents gave birth to u don't u serve them, family brothers and cousins don't u serve them both old and young and finaly the elderly in the comunity and ur friends don't u serve them one way or the other this is what paul was saying we should do all dis through love.
Okay. That was your question 'who does dmandy serve God, Mary or saints?' and I answered 'all of the above and more'.
Now let me ask how many times have u prayed through the above people to intervene for u in the site of christ or God. Thanks bro
I ask them to pray for me to God. Oh yes I do. In fact anytime I find myself in the face of a difficulty, I call my mum to join me in prayers to God. For instance, when I sin, I pray 'I confess to Almighty God and to you my brothers and my sisters that I have greatly sinned, in ,my thoughts and in my words. In what I have done and I what I have failed to do. Through my fault, through my fault, through my most grievous fault and therefore I ask the blessed virgin Mary ever virgin, and you my brothers and sisters to pray for me to the Lord our God. Amen.

Now bro, Have you ever asked someone to pray for you? Does that equate to worshipping the person? Does it make the person take the place of Jesus in your life?
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by italo: 9:49am On Dec 16, 2015
NanaAmofah:
My brother in the God not all christains attend church on sundays and also celebrate easter and christmas and do u know that catholic bible is different from some of ours. So I hav humbly answered ur question waiting for the answer of mine thanks

You haven't answered. Even your Protestant bible's NT was compiled by the Catholic Church in 382AD.

So who were the Catholic's serving when the compiled and canonized the Bible you're carrying about...when they instituted Christmas and Easter that most Protestants celebrate...when they changed the day of worship to Sunday that most Protestants adhere to?

God, Saints or Mary?

brocab:
The gospel narratives were not written at the time the events happened, like some kind of daily journal entry.
Rather, they were put together later, like most historical narratives, based on the memory research, and compilation. Matthew and John were both eyewitnesses to most of the events in their narratives.
Mark and Luke had access to the eyewitnesses. In fact Luke mentions that he carefully investigated everything from the beginning before writing the gospel.

Luke 1:1-4 "In as much as many have taken in hand to set in order a narrative of those things which most surely believe among us.
Just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word delivered them to us.
It seemed good to me also, having prefect understanding of all things from the very first, to write to you an orderly account, most excellent Theophilus. That you may know the certainly of those things in which you were instructed.
Very probably Mark gleaned information for his gospel from the apostle Peter.
1 Peter 5:11-13 "With the help of Silus, whom I have regarded as a faithful brother, I have written to you briefly encouraging you and testifying that this is the true grace of God. Stand fast in it.
She who is in Babylon, chosen together with you, sends you her greetings and so does my son Mark. Greet one another with a kiss of love. The other benefit he writers had-and this is a big one-is that they were inspired by the Holy Spirit.
2 Timothy 3:16 "All scriptures are breathed out by God, and is profitable for teaching,for reproof for correction, and for the training of righteousness.
In fact Jesus had promised them that the Spirit would bring to their remembrance "everything" I had said. 1 John 14:16. Now you come up the evidence who told you, you can pray the rosary's?

You still haven't shown me where God said that when he speaks, he confirms it with scripture...

...and that Mark and Luke should write anything.

Even the entire books of Mark and Luke don't say that the authors were Mark and Luke.

So how do you know who wrote the books.

smiley
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by italo: 9:55am On Dec 16, 2015
brocab:
The blind will lead the blind.
You cant see that?
Jesus pointed it out this is what my people will do-and sure enough they are doing it as Jesus had said it will.
Jesus said: My people will have dreams and see visions and prophesy-and what do they see the word of God.

But Jesus never said that "when God speaks, he will confirm it with scripture."

And he never said it was Luke that wrote "Luke," and Mark that wrote "Mark."
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody: 9:59am On Dec 16, 2015
italo:


But Jesus never said that "when God speaks, he will confirm it with scripture."

And he never said it was Luke that wrote "Luke," and Mark that wrote "Mark."


Brother,

these people are irredeemable, How will God confirm His word with His word? And then confirm His Word which He used to confirm Him word with His what?

I give up already.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by italo: 10:02am On Dec 16, 2015
dmandy:


Now bro, Have you ever asked someone to pray for you? Does that equate to worshipping the person? Does it make the person take the place of Jesus in your life?

If you get honest and straight answers to these three questions, the way you have been answering his questions, it will be a great miracle.

NanaAmofah...we dey wait.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by italo: 10:10am On Dec 16, 2015
dmandy:


Brother,

these people are irredeemable, How will God confirm His word with His word? And then confirm His Word which He used to confirm Him word with His what?

I give up already.

Lol. The guy has been running from pillar to post...looking for ways to force various verses to say what they didn't say...

Meanwhile, adsonstone who pretended that he only came on this thread to correct error usually goes blind when non-Catholics tell lies like this.

According to the protestant man of God, when God speaks to an individual, his word to the individual is not credible enough, God has to confirm it with Scripture.

Just like when God told Kumuyi to open Deeper Life, he wrote in in the Scriptures that Kumuyi will open Deeper Life.

...then they will accuse me of hypocrisy!
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody: 10:25am On Dec 16, 2015
italo:


If you get honest and straight answers to these three questions, the way you have been answering his questions, it will be a great miracle.

NanaAmofah...we dey wait.

He is not coming back.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by NanaAmofah(m): 10:31am On Dec 16, 2015
dmandy:

He is not coming back.
I am back
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Ubenedictus(m): 10:31am On Dec 16, 2015
dmandy:

Following.

Okay. That was your question 'who does dmandy serve God, Mary or saints?' and I answered 'all of the above and more'.
I ask them to pray for me to God. Oh yes I do. In fact anytime I find myself in the face of a difficulty, I call my mum to join me in prayers to God. For instance, when I sin, I pray 'I confess to Almighty God and to you my brothers and my sisters that I have greatly sinned, in ,my thoughts and in my words. In what I have done and I what I have failed to do. Through my fault, through my fault, through my most grievous fault and therefore I ask the blessed virgin Mary ever virgin, and you my brothers and sisters to pray for me to the Lord our God. Amen.

Now bro, Have you ever asked someone to pray for you? Does that equate to worshipping the person? Does it make the person take the place of Jesus in your life?

Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by NanaAmofah(m): 10:32am On Dec 16, 2015
Dmandy and italo I have sincerely answered each question u put to me yet my first question is not answered how wonderful
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody: 10:33am On Dec 16, 2015
NanaAmofah:
I am back

Welcome back. Sorry I was quick to assume you were like the others from your camp.

Back to my question.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by NanaAmofah(m): 10:34am On Dec 16, 2015
Now how did christ teach as to pray in mathew 6:9-13 now analyze this prayer and compare
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody: 10:36am On Dec 16, 2015
NanaAmofah:
Dmandy and italo I have sincerely answered each question u put to me yet my first question is not answered how wonderful

This is my question.
dmandy:

Now bro, Have you ever asked someone to pray for you? Does that equate to worshipping the person? Does it make the person take the place of Jesus in your life?

I have not seen the honest answers yet. Please can you resend them?
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by NanaAmofah(m): 10:37am On Dec 16, 2015
Now how did christ teach us to pray in mathew 6:9-13 analyze this prayer carfully and compare. Dmandy and italo my first question pls
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by NanaAmofah(m): 10:40am On Dec 16, 2015
dmandy:


This is my question.


I have not seen the honest answers yet. Please can you resend them?
yes I have asked others to help me in prayers but not always prayin to them with their images. Thanks bro I love how things are going.still my first question is it God,saints or mary
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody: 10:52am On Dec 16, 2015
NanaAmofah:
yes I have asked others to help me in prayers
Good.

Now, does that equate worshipping them? Does it mean that you cannot reach Jesus by yourself? Did the person you asked to pray for you replace Christ in your life?
but not always prayin to them with their images.

This was not part of my questions. But I am glad you don't pray to them through their images. I don't either.
Thanks bro I love how things are going.still my first question is it God,saints or mary
You are welcome, but I don't like how things are going. You are NOT being honest with yourself. I answered you in post number 536
dmandy: Now first answer is Catholics serve God, Saints, Mary, Father, Mother, Brothers, Sisters etc Gal 5:13.

Next?


Be sincere, please.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by NanaAmofah(m): 11:05am On Dec 16, 2015
dmandy:

Good.

Now, does that equate worshipping them? Does it mean that you cannot reach Jesus by yourself? Did the person you asked to pray for you replace Christ in your life?


This was not part of my questions. But I am glad you don't pray to them through their images. I don't either. You are welcome, but I don't like how things are going. You are NOT being honest with yourself. I answered you in post number 536

Be sincere, please.
Now bro mary intercedes for us right
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by NanaAmofah(m): 11:05am On Dec 16, 2015
dmandy:

Good.

Now, does that equate worshipping them? Does it mean that you cannot reach Jesus by yourself? Did the person you asked to pray for you replace Christ in your life?


This was not part of my questions. But I am glad you don't pray to them through their images. I don't either. You are welcome, but I don't like how things are going. You are NOT being honest with yourself. I answered you in post number 536

Be sincere, please.
Now bro mary intercedes for us when we pray through him right
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by italo: 11:10am On Dec 16, 2015
NanaAmofah:
Now bro mary intercedes for us when we pray through him right

Answer the questions you were asked.

Now bro, Have you ever asked someone to pray for you? Does that equate to worshipping the person? Does it make the person take the place of Jesus in your life?

Dmandy, what did I tell you?
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by italo: 11:12am On Dec 16, 2015
Meanwhile, my own question is still pending.

grin

italo:


You haven't answered.

Even your Bible (27-book New Testament was compiled by the Catholic Church in 382AD.

So Who were the Catholic's serving when the compiled and canonized the Bible you're carrying about...when they instituted Christmas and Easter that most Christians (including your so-called pastors like Adeboye) celebrate...when they changed the day of worship to Sunday that most Christians adhere to?

God, Saints or Mary?
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody: 11:13am On Dec 16, 2015
NanaAmofah:
Now how did christ teach us to pray in mathew 6:9-13 analyze this prayer carfully and compare.
Matt 6:9-13

"This, then, is how you should pray: "Our (Not Yours) Father in heaven, hallowed (honored as holy and sacred) be your name, your kingdom come, your will (not mine) be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us today our daily bread (and every other thing we ask according to your will in Christ's name). And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven (we are called also to forgive, and ask others for forgiveness and by extension pray for others) our debtors. And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil (and evil people). For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.''

I should carefully Compare this what please?
dmandy and italo my first question pls

You are not a sincere person.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody: 11:15am On Dec 16, 2015
italo:


Dmandy, what did I tell you?

This guy is not an honest person. May God help him understand what people are leading him into.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by NanaAmofah(m): 11:16am On Dec 16, 2015
dmandy:

Matt 6:9-13

"This, then, is how you should pray: "Our (Not Yours) Father in heaven, hallowed (honored as holy and sacred) be your name, your kingdom come, your will (not mine) be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us today our daily bread (and every other thing we ask according to your will in Christ's name). And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven (we are called also to forgive, and ask others for forgiveness and by extension pray for others) our debtors. And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil (and evil people). For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.''

I should carefully Compare this what please?


You are not a sincere person.
aaww bro I try to honest as I can sorry if u feel so
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody: 11:20am On Dec 16, 2015
NanaAmofah:
Now bro mary intercedes for us when we pray through him right

First, Mary is someone's name and simply rule of grammar demands you start it with a capital letter. Do not let your hatred for her destroy you.

Secondly, If you are praying for someone that is the person praying through you. Through is an English word which means continuing in time towards completion of (a process or period).
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by NanaAmofah(m): 11:22am On Dec 16, 2015
italo:


Answer the questions you were asked.



Dmandy, what did I tell you?
no one can take christ out of my life but I will not replace the duties. Heb 4:13,heb 7:25,isaiah 53:12
More is coming
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by EMILO2STAY(m): 11:22am On Dec 16, 2015
italo:




Bros, I know you've always been dishonest and dubious, but haba! Read this post below and claim the above again...and also claim that he wasn't implying that 'if Jesus mentioned/approved it, it would be in the bible.



Is it wrong and hypocritical for me to say 'Jesus never mentioned Bible too' to someone who said the above and also said Jesus didn't approve the Rosary?





My point isn't debunked.

Jesus never told John to write his other books, or the other apostles to write any books. He never told anyone to compile any book and call it Bible. He never told Kumuyi to start Deeper Life...in the Bible.

Here's my point: You Protestants believe that the fact that the Bible doesn't record something explicitly doesn't mean that Jesus doesn't approve it. So to claim that 'the Rosary isn't approved because it wasn't mentioned in the bible' is hypocritical. Do you agree?






Anyone, including I, have the right to condemn anything I like. I have never claimed that "God didn't command it," so I don't have to prove what I didn't claim.

I really think it's fine if you stubbornly believe that God commanded your pastor to feed you petrol. I won't pester you to prove it unless you start to condemn my own practices...under the guise of having a logical discussion. I'd rather leave you to relish your obstinate stupidity in peace.






Why should I show you where Jesus approved the Rosary? Did I come to you asking you to pray the Rosary or did your fellow Protestants come on this public thread, condemning the Rosary?

Did you ever ask for proof of where Jesus approved the compilation of the bible before reading it?

Yet you claim am being hypocritical. Is it not hypocrisy to ask me to show where Jesus approved the rosary when you dont do same for the bible and the foundation of Deeper Life?


*begging for answer.






I asked if it passes for a lie. You skipped.







Only, you suddenly go blind when the untrue things are said about Catholicism. E.g when Emilo2stay said on this same thread that the Catholic Church admitted that the Rosary was adopted from paganism...and made no attempt to prove it. That's your idea of being "Christian." I think it's hatred and envy.






To further expose his senselessness.



I see you're no longer claiming to be correcting my 'lies and hypocrisy.'

It is clear that you're the one being hypocritical...asking me to provide proof of Jesus approval when you never asked/provided proof of Jesus' approval of bible or founding of Deeper Life.
Note: Cardinal Newman, in his book, “The
Development of the Christian Religion,”
admits that ... “Temples, incense, oil lamps,
votive offerings, holy water, holidays and
season of devotions, processions, blessing
of fields, sacredotal vestments, the tonsure (of priests and monks and nuns), images ...
are all of pagan origin...” (Page 359). if a catholic cardinal can admit all this, is it still far fetched that the rosary has roots from pagnism?.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody: 11:23am On Dec 16, 2015
NanaAmofah:
aaww bro I try to honest as I can sorry if u feel so

If you have any atom of honesty left in you, then you will acknowledge that I have answered that your first question. It is you who are yet to answer me. But it doesn't matter anymore. It isn't going to change anything. You have your mind made up.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by NanaAmofah(m): 11:25am On Dec 16, 2015
dmandy:


First, Mary is someone's name and simply rule of grammar demands you start it with a capital letter. Do not let your hatred for her destroy you.

Secondly, If you are praying for someone that is the person praying through you. Through is an English word which means continuing in time towards completion of (a process or period).
sorry but I don't hate anyone including Mary because christ teaches us love I respect her a lot because through my savior was born so no beefs ok and thanks for the correction but back to my question or u are becoming one of them
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by NanaAmofah(m): 11:27am On Dec 16, 2015
dmandy:


If you have any atom of honesty left in you, then you will acknowledge that I have answered that your first question. It is you who are yet to answer me. But it doesn't matter anymore. It isn't going to change anything. You have your mind made up.
Awww are u getting angry pls don't be. That's me all I want is the truth so if it is right I do same pls
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by NanaAmofah(m): 11:29am On Dec 16, 2015
dmandy:


If you have any atom of honesty left in you, then you will acknowledge that I have answered that your first question. It is you who are yet to answer me. But it doesn't matter anymore. It isn't going to change anything. You have your mind made up.
Awww are u getting angry pls don't be. That's me all I want is the truth so if it is right I do same. pls don't forget the bible said we should learn to show ourselves approved of the word 2timothy 2:15
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody: 11:36am On Dec 16, 2015
NanaAmofah:
Awww are u getting angry pls don't be.
I am getting angry. You keep saying that I have not answered you.
That's me all I want is the truth so if it is right I do same.
Can you recognize truth if you see one.
pls don't forget the bible said we should learn to show ourselves approved of the word 2timothy 2:15
the bible said learn and not assume. How do you learn? You study, you ask questions. And when you get answers you learn and not deny.

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