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It's Time To Consign The Word 'feminism' To Dustbin Of History by Nobody: 10:50am On Dec 16, 2015
It is a constant source of irritation to me
that women are still fighting the feminist
battle. Surely feminism has run its course
and the word should now be banished
from the English language.
I was interested to see last week that
Sweden is to distribute a copy of best-
selling author Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie's
book 'We Should All Be Feminists' to every
16-year-old student in the country.
It is hoped this works as a stepping-stone
for a discussion about gender equality and
feminism.
The book is adapted from Adichie's
renowned TED talk of the same name, and
aims to offer a modern definition of
feminism and outline the discrimination
and oppression facing women in the past.
It is really interesting and, by putting
feminism into historical context, is very
useful.
Continue reading below...
The book asks the question I am constantly
asking. Why the word feminist? Why not
just say you are a believer in human rights,
or something like that? Adichie does
attempt to answer this in her book, saying
to declare you are a believer in human
rights rather than a feminist would be
dishonest. "Feminism is, of course, part of
human rights in general - but to choose to
use the vague expression human rights is
to deny the specific and particular problem
of gender."
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She says it would be a way of pretending
that it was not women who have, for
centuries, been excluded.
"It would be a way of denying that the
problem of gender targets women. That the
problem was not about being human, but
specifically about being a female human."
Adichie concludes by saying that for
centuries, the world divided human beings
into two groups - men and women - and
then proceeded to exclude and oppress
one group.
"It is only fair that the solution to the
problem acknowledge that."
I don't think what Adichie allows for,
though, is the fact that men and women are
"divided", for want of a better word,
because they are different in lots of ways.
For a start, men and women are physically
different. The way a woman's brain
perceives information is different from how
a man perceives it because women develop
very differently from men. This is a scientific
fact. And blame the X/Y chromosomes, but
men can never be pregnant and give birth.
I have said it here before but women - and
indeed men - can't have it all. We have
choices to make. Some make those choices
gracefully and get on with their lives. Others
do so kicking and screaming and in denial. I
have seen some great women friends
suffer because they fought to have it all -
the high flying career, the glam lifestyle
whilst being super mom at the same time.
I am constantly amazed still that in this day
and age we have the feminist brigade all
over the world flying the well-worn feminist
flag and bleating about lack of equality and
opportunity.
When will women wake up and
acknowledge the huge strides that have
been made - we are 20 years too late with
the feminist mantra. We burned the bras
(although why beats me, as we do actually
need them. Men don't!)
The more we highlight the issue of
feminism, the more we are setting
ourselves apart from men. I have a 24-year-
old daughter who I reared to believe she
can do most anything that a man can do -
and better - without having the feminist
chip in her shoulder.
I have also taught her that its okay to make
a choice and to decide she doesn't want to
do something to prove that she is equal to
a man.
My hero is my mother Kitty, feisty as ever at
80 years of age and with more energy than
I have.
She would be appalled if she was labelled a
"feminist" - even though in truth she was
one of the early feminists in Ireland. Labels
she would prefer to apply to herself, I
imagine, would be hard-working,
determined, business-minded, stoic,
focused, tough.
She was one of those civil servants in the
early 1960s who had to give up her job
because she married. Hard to believe that
nowadays. She went into business with my
father in the late 1960s. When he died
suddenly aged 45, leaving her pregnant
with her tenth child, she had two choices.
Fall to pieces or, as she says herself, "get on
with things".
She got on with things, reared us all and
saw the business (selling horses, very much
a male domain) become a huge
international success.
She taught her five daughters that with
hard work, dedication, fairness and
compassion anything is possible. She never
told us that we couldn't achieve anything
because we weren't a man.
Equally she taught us that it is okay too to
be a woman and to recognize there are
differences, and not to be unrealistic and to
put ourselves under pressure to do it all.
It is interesting that Adichie's book is being
distributed in Sweden to not just 16-year-
old girls but to boys also.

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Re: It's Time To Consign The Word 'feminism' To Dustbin Of History by Nobody: 10:54am On Dec 16, 2015
Re: It's Time To Consign The Word 'feminism' To Dustbin Of History by fluffybaby(f): 11:03am On Dec 16, 2015
I believe a woman is a woman and has roles to play as a woman and as such should plan her life according to the role she has taken upon herself to play. I also believe the society should not set a standard or force women to be something within their femine role.
Ie, a woman should not be forced to be a mother or wife. She should not be forced to sleep by her dead husband or mourn for 1 year by force.
A woman is a human beign and should be treated with respect just as a man deserves too while going about his manly duties.
Same goes for men too.

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Re: It's Time To Consign The Word 'feminism' To Dustbin Of History by TV01(m): 5:18pm On Dec 16, 2015
...why waste a good word? Let's retain it as a term of abuse grin?


TV
Re: It's Time To Consign The Word 'feminism' To Dustbin Of History by Nobody: 1:19am On Dec 17, 2015
TV01:
...why waste a good word? Let's retain it as a term of abuse grin?
TV

just as some online feminists are using the word patriarchy as a term of abuse?
Re: It's Time To Consign The Word 'feminism' To Dustbin Of History by ronald4lif(m): 2:21am On Dec 17, 2015
Something tells me this thread will be interesting. Let me quickly answer present before the whole space get booked. grin

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Re: It's Time To Consign The Word 'feminism' To Dustbin Of History by cococandy(f): 5:42am On Dec 17, 2015
Who no like am should follow the directions below.

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Re: It's Time To Consign The Word 'feminism' To Dustbin Of History by YourCoffin: 9:05am On Dec 17, 2015
The movement has lost its social value a long time ago. It's only being sponsored and sustained now because it brings more revenue and taxes to certain governments. Here in Africa, it adds no monetary value, hence the slow or non-existent penetration, which is a good thing by the way.

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Re: It's Time To Consign The Word 'feminism' To Dustbin Of History by Mutaino7(m): 11:01am On Dec 17, 2015
like my indian friend wud say '' I'm staying here FULLY''

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Re: It's Time To Consign The Word 'feminism' To Dustbin Of History by GetRekt: 10:02pm On Dec 18, 2015
craziebone:
It is a constant source of irritation to me
that women are still fighting the feminist
battle. Surely feminism has run its course
and the word should now be banished
from the English language.
I was interested to see last week that
Sweden is to distribute a copy of best-
selling author Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie's
book 'We Should All Be Feminists' to every
16-year-old student in the country.
It is hoped this works as a stepping-stone
for a discussion about gender equality and
feminism.
The book is adapted from Adichie's
renowned TED talk of the same name, and
aims to offer a modern definition of
feminism and outline the discrimination
and oppression facing women in the past.
It is really interesting and, by putting
feminism into historical context, is very
useful.
Continue reading below...
The book asks the question I am constantly
asking. Why the word feminist? Why not
just say you are a believer in human rights,
or something like that? Adichie does
attempt to answer this in her book, saying
to declare you are a believer in human
rights rather than a feminist would be
dishonest. "Feminism is, of course, part of
human rights in general - but to choose to
use the vague expression human rights is
to deny the specific and particular problem
of gender."
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Recommended by
She says it would be a way of pretending
that it was not women who have, for
centuries, been excluded.
"It would be a way of denying that the
problem of gender targets women. That the
problem was not about being human, but
specifically about being a female human."
Adichie concludes by saying that for
centuries, the world divided human beings
into two groups - men and women - and
then proceeded to exclude and oppress
one group.
"It is only fair that the solution to the
problem acknowledge that."
I don't think what Adichie allows for,
though, is the fact that men and women are
"divided", for want of a better word,
because they are different in lots of ways.
For a start, men and women are physically
different. The way a woman's brain
perceives information is different from how
a man perceives it because women develop
very differently from men. This is a scientific
fact. And blame the X/Y chromosomes, but
men can never be pregnant and give birth.
I have said it here before but women - and
indeed men - can't have it all. We have
choices to make. Some make those choices
gracefully and get on with their lives. Others
do so kicking and screaming and in denial. I
have seen some great women friends
suffer because they fought to have it all -
the high flying career, the glam lifestyle
whilst being super mom at the same time.
I am constantly amazed still that in this day
and age we have the feminist brigade all
over the world flying the well-worn feminist
flag and bleating about lack of equality and
opportunity.
When will women wake up and
acknowledge the huge strides that have
been made - we are 20 years too late with
the feminist mantra. We burned the bras
(although why beats me, as we do actually
need them. Men don't!)
The more we highlight the issue of
feminism, the more we are setting
ourselves apart from men. I have a 24-year-
old daughter who I reared to believe she
can do most anything that a man can do -
and better - without having the feminist
chip in her shoulder.
I have also taught her that its okay to make
a choice and to decide she doesn't want to
do something to prove that she is equal to
a man.
My hero is my mother Kitty, feisty as ever at
80 years of age and with more energy than
I have.
She would be appalled if she was labelled a
"feminist" - even though in truth she was
one of the early feminists in Ireland. Labels
she would prefer to apply to herself, I
imagine, would be hard-working,
determined, business-minded, stoic,
focused, tough.
She was one of those civil servants in the
early 1960s who had to give up her job
because she married. Hard to believe that
nowadays. She went into business with my
father in the late 1960s. When he died
suddenly aged 45, leaving her pregnant
with her tenth child, she had two choices.
Fall to pieces or, as she says herself, "get on
with things".
She got on with things, reared us all and
saw the business (selling horses, very much
a male domain) become a huge
international success.
She taught her five daughters that with
hard work, dedication, fairness and
compassion anything is possible. She never
told us that we couldn't achieve anything
because we weren't a man.
Equally she taught us that it is okay too to
be a woman and to recognize there are
differences, and not to be unrealistic and to
put ourselves under pressure to do it all.
It is interesting that Adichie's book is being
distributed in Sweden to not just 16-year-
old girls but to boys also.

Gender is a social construct. And sex is just gender in a lab coat. There are as much innate psychological differences between men and women as there are between blacks and whites.

Are there physical differences between PoC and white people? Of course.
Do they matter as much as society pretends they do? Nope.

That argument against feminism is rooted in a very outdated, 100x debunked gender binary that places men and women as polar opposites with little room for overlap.

Feminine men exist. Masculine women exist. Intersexed people exist. Trans*men who could never accept the socialisation of women exist. As do trans*women. As do a whole host of other nonbinary genders that we wouldn't even NEED to name if everyone just sat down for a hot minute and realised that there are almost never any black and white distinctions when it comes to human beings.

Sexism still exists, alongside other forms of discrimination, in overt and insidious ways. No amount of pointless rhetoric against the ~word~ feminism is going to change that. And relying on the gender binary is just a recipe for disaster.

Thanks for sharing this. Keep the conversation going!

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Re: It's Time To Consign The Word 'feminism' To Dustbin Of History by GetRekt: 10:05pm On Dec 18, 2015
Also, as amazing as the author's mother sounds, that anecdote does nothing to address SYSTEMATIC forms of sexism.

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Re: It's Time To Consign The Word 'feminism' To Dustbin Of History by GetRekt: 10:09pm On Dec 18, 2015
"Scientific fact"

Other scientific facts include:

- Africans being less intelligent
- The world being flat
- Pluto not being a planet.

Science is not the be-all, end-all. In fact, science ENCOURAGES dissenting opinions and thoughts, as long as you can properly back them up.
Re: It's Time To Consign The Word 'feminism' To Dustbin Of History by Nobody: 10:01am On Dec 19, 2015
cococandy:
Who no like am should follow the directions below.
Exactly why feminism is gaining evil reputation as the day goes on.

Don't agree with them or you express a contrary opinion then you are shown the way to the gallows. What an attitude from feminists.

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Re: It's Time To Consign The Word 'feminism' To Dustbin Of History by GetRekt: 6:21pm On Dec 20, 2015
craziebone:
Exactly why feminism is gaining evil reputation as the day goes on.

Don't agree with them or you express a contrary opinion then you are shown the way to the gallows. What an attitude from feminists.

I'm sorry that happened to you. I haven't had that experience, at least not from intersectional feminists. (TERFs tend to be a*holes, so I avoid them like the plague)

I also think that a lot of people mistake feminist's anger at SEXISM for anger at THEM, which probably explains why some anti-fems call people like Laci Green a 'man-hater', 'feminazi' and other rubbish. I doubt you would do this, but sometimes when someone expresses a 'contrary' opinion on feminism to me, it's usually along the lines of 'women are ""crazy""', 'lesbians are hot, but gay men and asexuals should be killed', 'so what if a b*tch gets herself raped? Why shouldn't I blame her mini-skirt?'...and so on, ad infinitum.

At some point, you just stop giving a sh*t about those kinds of people, and you let them know it.
Re: It's Time To Consign The Word 'feminism' To Dustbin Of History by Nobody: 7:14pm On Dec 20, 2015
GetRekt:


I'm sorry that happened to you. I haven't had that experience, at least not from intersectional feminists. (TERFs tend to be a*holes, so I avoid them like the plague)

I also think that a lot of people mistake feminist's anger at SEXISM for anger at THEM, which probably explains why some anti-fems call people like Laci Green a 'man-hater', 'feminazi' and other rubbish. I doubt you would do this, but sometimes when someone expresses a 'contrary' opinion on feminism to me, it's usually along the lines of 'women are ""crazy""', 'lesbians are hot, but gay men and asexuals should be killed', 'so what if a b*tch gets herself raped? Why shouldn't I blame her mini-skirt?'...and so on, ad infinitum.

At some point, you just stop giving a sh*t about those kinds of people, and you let them know it.

stop pretending that there arer no man-haters among feminists. Infact, with most real sexism against women gone, anyone who identifies herself as feminist today is probably a man hater or has a problem somewhere only she can tell and explain but others can also figure out.

People have strong reasons to be against feminism. The reasons i have against feminism, which many other people share with me too (i am going to be starting threads talking about what's wrong with feminism from other women's view. I am also going to be starting threads of feminist's response to those critics so as to achieve a balance and fair minded people can make better judgement), are not along those lines you mentioned. They are real!

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Re: It's Time To Consign The Word 'feminism' To Dustbin Of History by Nobody: 7:52pm On Dec 20, 2015
GetRekt:


Gender is a social construct. And sex is just gender in a lab coat. There are as much innate psychological differences between men and women as there are between blacks and whites.

Are there physical differences between PoC and white people? Of course.
Do they matter as much as society pretends they do? Nope.

That argument against feminism is rooted in a very outdated, 100x debunked gender binary that places men and women as polar opposites with little room for overlap.

Feminine men exist. Masculine women exist. Intersexed people exist. Trans*men who could never accept the socialisation of women exist. As do trans*women. As do a whole host of other nonbinary genders that we wouldn't even NEED to name if everyone just sat down for a hot minute and realised that there are almost never any black and white distinctions when it comes to human beings.

Sexism still exists, alongside other forms of discrimination, in overt and insidious ways. No amount of pointless rhetoric against the ~word~ feminism is going to change that. And relying on the gender binary is just a recipe for disaster.

Thanks for sharing this. Keep the conversation going!

gender, which referes to the role associated with a sex, may be a social construct, but that doesn't mean that it is not constructed on inherent nature.

Building and insfrastructures are engineering constructs. But they are built based on inherent laws of nature and geometry which are very very fundamental and independent of human influence.

It is exactly the same with gender! If you want to insist that gender is a social construct, and therefore become confident that that assertion of yours is intellectually superior to all known and yet to come counter arguements, then you might want to have a rethink.

Gender may be a social construct, but it is built, for the most part, on inherent nature. When we say boys should be more into those chores that require more energy, then it is because he is naturally more suited for the job, no arguements there. If we say the boy should go hunting, then it is because we know via our knowledge of evolution that he is dispensible therefore making his loss less injurious to the specie. This is our burden as men and there is nothing anyone can do about it! The interesting thing about nature is...it makes us even want, aspire and crave for that which puts bursen on us. Despite the risks and burden the male role places on him, he still craves it and is inclined to it. It is the same with the woman. We hear women shout so much about pains of childbirth. Yet, "you will never know the pains of childbirth", is one of the biggest insults you can ever insult a woman. She will hate you for life!

If we say the woman is the primary care giver of children and therefore, she should be more into 'caring' roles, then it is because we know via our knowledge of the human brain that her left hemisphere, which is the seat of the affective domain, is more responsive than the right hemisphere. She also has the hormones to back it up!

Infact, we did not force anyone, man or woman into any kind of gender roles pe se; the roles they assume will be their natural behaviour if they were left to behave freely. We already have enough life experience and statistics to back that up.
Re: It's Time To Consign The Word 'feminism' To Dustbin Of History by Nobody: 8:07pm On Dec 20, 2015
Comparing diferences between men and women to differences between whites and blacks, is nothing but a wrong comparison,

we can obviously associate certain roles and responsibilities with sex, but we cannot do the same with race. The reason is because racial difference is purely based on the quantity of pigments in our body. This does not in anyway influence the psychological behaviour of the specie. The way we behave, talk and process information has not and can never be traced to the black pigment in our bodies or the lack of it.

However, our phychological behaviour as a whole has been traced to the part of the part of the brain which is most responsive in the various sexes and also, the various hormones prevalent in our systems. This is the one reason why comparison between the differences in sexes cannot be compared to differences in race.

If whites and blacks behave differently, then it is not because of the pigments in our bodies, but because of some historical, cultural and environmental factors.

Differences in male and female can blamed largely on hormones and brain biology.

The only one who finds it hard to agree with this, AND DOES NOT COME UP WITH AN ARGUEMENT THAT IS BY ALL OR MOST MEASURES SUPERIOR TO THE ONES I HAVE GIVEN AS JUDGED BY A FAIR MINDED INDIVIDUAL, is a feminist who just hopes that things are always in her favour.

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Re: It's Time To Consign The Word 'feminism' To Dustbin Of History by Nobody: 8:23pm On Dec 20, 2015
Basically, men and women are two polar opposites. There is nothing any liberal left can do about it! There are some of those people you mentioned (i do have a problem with that), but they are the exceptions, not the mainstream! And exceptions, the world over, do not make the rules, do they?

Also, i wonder why the whole thing about transgender makes so much sense to feminists who continue to insist that gender is a social construct and not inherent in us.

If a man refuses to accept what is a male socialization in a culture where a thing is seen as male role, why do you think we should take him seriously when he wants a sex change especially when we think gender is a social construct? We could easily take him to another society where his 'cravings' will be seen as normal to the sex with he is born and he could identify as cis-gendered.
Re: It's Time To Consign The Word 'feminism' To Dustbin Of History by Nobody: 8:28pm On Dec 20, 2015
I am going to be opening threads on what some women, who are against feminism, think about feminsm. I am also going to be opening threads on what feminists have in response to the "women against feminism".
Re: It's Time To Consign The Word 'feminism' To Dustbin Of History by GetRekt: 1:46pm On Jan 20, 2016
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craziebone:


gender, which referes to the role associated with a sex, may be a social construct, but that doesn't mean that it is not constructed on inherent nature.

Building and insfrastructures are engineering constructs. But they are built based on inherent laws of nature and geometry which are very very fundamental and independent of human influence.

It is exactly the same with gender! If you want to insist that gender is a social construct, and therefore become confident that that assertion of yours is intellectually superior to all known and yet to come counter arguements, then you might want to have a rethink.

Gender may be a social construct, but it is built, for the most part, on inherent nature. When we say boys should be more into those chores that require more energy, then it is because he is naturally more suited for the job, no arguements there. If we say the boy should go hunting, then it is because we know via our knowledge of evolution that he is dispensible therefore making his loss less injurious to the specie. This is our burden as men and there is nothing anyone can do about it! The interesting thing about nature is...it makes us even want, aspire and crave for that which puts bursen on us. Despite the risks and burden the male role places on him, he still craves it and is inclined to it. It is the same with the woman. We hear women shout so much about pains of childbirth. Yet, "you will never know the pains of childbirth", is one of the biggest insults you can ever insult a woman. She will hate you for life!

If we say the woman is the primary care giver of children and therefore, she should be more into 'caring' roles, then it is because we know via our knowledge of the human brain that her left hemisphere, which is the seat of the affective domain, is more responsive than the right hemisphere. She also has the hormones to back it up!

Infact, we did not force anyone, man or woman into any kind of gender roles pe se; the roles they assume will be their natural behaviour if they were left to behave freely. We already have enough life experience and statistics to back that up.


I'm not talking about engineering, neither am I talking about biological differences, or peopld who are happy with their gender roles.

Building constructs =/= Social constructs.

'If I want to insist' I would gather and post links to about 30 different websites, articles, books, videos and professionals who have examined gender and race and decided that they are both social constructs, but I've done that twice today, and they will probably go unread.

Read up, thoroughly, on what a social construct is, because I think the issue here is a serious lack of 101 knowledge. Let's link this to race. Black skin exists right? So do big butts and flat noses, right? Yeah, no 9ne is saying that they don't. What is ridiculous, is the amount of worth and value we put on those attributes. Some believe they signify stupidity, laziness, mad basketball skillz, etc. THERE WAS EVEN SCIENTIFIC STUDIES DONE TO PROVE THAT PEOPLE OF AFRICAN DESCENT WERE INFERIOR.

Obviously, all these traits exist biologically, but the way they are racialised, the way peopld react to these traits on different, lighter body types, is very much social.

That is a social construct. Unlike in engineering where these layouts are NECESSSARY, labelling someone a criminal bc of their skin tone is NOT necessary. And if you think they are...oh boy.

Biological difference in hormones, phenotypes, karotypes, chromosomes and genitals all exist. But the values we place on them and the personal things we assume about people because of them are very much social.

When you look at someone, you have no idea if there's testosterone in them, or oestrogen, or neither. You don't know if they are XY or XX or XXY, you don't know about their genitals and you won't ask because wtf? that's weird as hell. Lol

you look for social markers like a skirt, or boring navy mens clothing (wtf is up with that though? I'd kill for some funky men's coats), or their haircut, or the way they present themselves. You're also look for visible biological stuff, like boobs, or curves or rock hard abs or something. Then you make your assumption. Fair enough. Humans like to simplify things.

But an assumption is still an assumption, and you could end up dead wrong. The person might get mad at you, they might feel scared and unsafe and let you go on, they might feel awkward and pull you aside after to talk, whatever. The point is, you can't sit there going, "UM, XCUUUUUSE ME, BUT YOU ARE WRONG AND I KNOW YOU BETTER THAN YOU KNOW YOURSELF AND HERE IS WHY" because they will hate you forever, you can however, just go "oh, I'm sorry", and carry on with your life, unscathed by life's complexity (like a champion).

I don't actually care about people who LIKE to fit the mould, I'm worried about those who feel forced or coerced to, and those who CAN'T like transgender and intersex people. People like to conform, we all know that. When given an easier choice, a lot of people will take it. But I don't want a young generation of Nigerians growing up thinking they HAVE to fit the mould or they will get hurt and apparently DESERVE to get hurt, or that nobody will love them, or that God will f*ck them up. We don't need that. We need confident young people, who can be themselves and who are guided, not by fear of eternal suffering, or prejudice, or social stigma, but by an aversion to hurting others.


You haven't even addressed masculine women, and feminine men and what happens to them when people continue to view them as sub-standard rather than non-standard. (Hint: it usually involves violence, nd/or threats of violence).

Love how you people always think that everybody is biased EXCEPT YOU. HEAVENS NOT YOU.
Re: It's Time To Consign The Word 'feminism' To Dustbin Of History by GetRekt: 1:56pm On Jan 20, 2016
craziebone:


stop pretending that there arer no man-haters among feminists. Infact, with most real sexism against women gone, anyone who identifies herself as feminist today is probably a man hater or has a problem somewhere only she can tell and explain but others can also figure out.

People have strong reasons to be against feminism. The reasons i have against feminism, which many other people share with me too (i am going to be starting threads talking about what's wrong with feminism from other women's view. I am also going to be starting threads of feminist's response to those critics so as to achieve a balance and fair minded people can make better judgement), are not along those lines you mentioned. They are real!

I just said that yeah, there are man haters among feminists. They're usually called TERFs. Feminism is not a hive mind, for god's sake. A large group of people coming together under one name, no sh*t we'll have a*holes. What I like about feminists is that we (for the most part) can acknowledge the a-holes, that we call them out and openly disagree with them. We know how to fix the issues within our own movement, and the people screeching 'AHA SEEEEEE. I TOLD YOU THEY WERE ALL CRAIIIIZY' while doing absolutely nothing ti help just piss us off. Obviously, I can't speak for all feminist, esp. because there is not one kind of feminism, but the only one that I think matters is intersectional feminism.

"My feminism will be intersectional or it will be bullsh*t"
Re: It's Time To Consign The Word 'feminism' To Dustbin Of History by GetRekt: 2:14pm On Jan 20, 2016
Lol as if race is just colour. What foolishness. The existence of trans people does not enforce the gender binary, it dismantles it. Do you even know what transgender, gender, sex, karyotype, chromosomes, genetic variation, race, social construct, hormones, v agina, testicles, uterus and ovaries mean?

I'm tired of people assuming life is as simple as they wish it was and trying to force that view onto others by using out dated baby logic, instead of just reading a book and entering the 21st century already.

You still haven't addressed intersex people and the trans person you just made up to make yourself feel better isn't even close to an actual trans person's experience.


It's telling, how all but 1 (who was LGBTQIA himself) anti-feminist I've ever met has been hateful towards LGBTQIA people, simply because they remind them that HUMAN BEINGS DON'T WORK THAT WAY. They are complex, always have been, always will be. You can make your assumptions, but they will almost always turn out wrong.

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Re: It's Time To Consign The Word 'feminism' To Dustbin Of History by TV01(m): 2:57pm On Jan 20, 2016
GetRekt:
Lol as if race is just colour. What foolishness. The existence of trans people does not enforce the gender binary, it dismantles it. Do you even know what transgender, gender, sex, karyotype, chromosomes, genetic variation, race, social construct, hormones, v agina, testicles, uterus and ovaries mean?
No the existence of "trans people totally reinforces the male/female binary. Afterall, trans people are either transitioning to one or the other are'nt they?

GetRekt:
You still haven't addressed intersex people and the trans person you just made up to make yourself feel better isn't even close to an actual trans person's experience.

It's telling, how all but 1 (who was LGBTQIA himself) anti-feminist I've ever met has been hateful towards LGBTQIA people, simply because they remind them that HUMAN BEINGS DON'T WORK THAT WAY. They are complex, always have been, always will be. You can make your assumptions, but they will almost always turn out wrong .
Nothing to address; human beings that don't "work that way", are not working properly. That says nothing about how we treat or manage that working, but it is too accept it for what it is.

And why are you ranting on an oldish thread?


TV
Re: It's Time To Consign The Word 'feminism' To Dustbin Of History by Welcomme: 7:04pm On Jan 20, 2016
I hav noting to say. I just want to b noticed on first page
Re: It's Time To Consign The Word 'feminism' To Dustbin Of History by GetRekt: 7:20pm On Mar 03, 2016
TV01:

No the existence of "trans people totally reinforces the male/female binary. Afterall, trans people are either transitioning to one or the other are'nt they?


Nothing to address; human beings that don't "work that way", are not working properly. That says nothing about how we treat or manage that working, but it is too accept it for what it is.

And why are you ranting on an oldish thread?


TV

Wait. So you can reply to me on an oldish thread...but I shouldn't talk on one. Na wa.

And apparently human beings that are complex are not working properly. Did you actually think about what you said? Or is discriminating against people so important that you managed to forget that one of the constant things in nature is change. And that humans are complex, varied beings.

There are trans nonbinary people. And trans people who transition to another gender but still remain feminie or masculine, depending on how they feel. Don't talk what you don't know. The existence of trans, intersex and nonbinary people proves that gender is not the rigid, unbreakable two way street that a lot of people wish it was.

And it's just a short video, nothing in-depth, but you can watch this is you want to have an idea of what I'm talking about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXAoG8vAyzI

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