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Syncan:
And why can't the rest of her offsprings be natural?

Ans: Because God has decided so.

You make a claim and then ascribe it to God.

Any scripture to support this?

Ans: Yes.

Ezekiel.44:2 "Then said the LORD unto me; This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter in by it; because the LORD, the God of Israel, hath entered in by it, therefore it shall be shut".

The gate in this case is what, Mary's v@gina?

dmandy:
I thought as much.

What do you suggest?

Am catch the fun na... and so do others... So... more fuel to your rocket.... Can even help you with after burner if you want

Rich4god:
Am catch the fun na... and so do others... So... more fuel to your rocket.... Can even help you with after burner if you want

Uche gi di ya.

vooks:
The gate in this case is what, Mary's v@gina?

SMH... Shey you see the kind pple wey una dey argue with....

Rich4god:
SMH... Shey you see the kind pple wey una dey argue with....

How could I have know? Rich my brother, someone told me these people are irredeemable and I thought it was a joke. I guess I should just keep my data for Christmas and New Year wishes.

dmandy:
Yes, Mother of the 'beloved disciple'. Take it easy, you will understand. Just acknowledge anyone you get, okay. Now, did you understand how 'Mary' became the mother of 'the beloved disciple', John? If yes, say thank you let's move on.

Yes, 'it talks about the rest of her offspring' who keep His commandment.

No, it can be why not? But, it is not. I am showing you how it happened. If you are with me, thank me and let's move on.

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As I await your appreciation of this great insight before we continue let me tell you about 'the beloved disciple'
Jn 1:35... a former disciple of John
Jn 13:23.... leaned on Jesus at the last supper
Jn 18:15... walked into the court while Peter denied Jesus
Jn 19:25.... became an adopted 'son' of Mary. We are here
Jn 20:2. .. was first to witness the resection
Jn 21:7... first to recognize Jesus in Galilee
21:23.... Jesus refused to predict his end

Am asking how you leaped from Revelation to John's adoption by Mary with scriptures.

I also need scriptural proof of why you rule out further natural children.

In the meantime, ruminate on this

Matthew 1:25 (ESV)
25 but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus..


Once you are done, go back to Revelation and answer the original question I posed; what makes you think Mary is in heaven?
I may not agree with your chapter 12 atrocious exegesis but even if I agreed, all it says is that the woman is the mother of Jesus and that she adopted some offspring who the devil fought.


And no sir, the 'first to witness the resurrection' was the women. Jesus appeared to Peter FIRST not John.

Rich4god:
SMH... Shey you see the kind pple wey una dey argue with....

Troll, keep off or like women, learn in silence

vooks:
Am asking how you leaped from Revelation to John's adoption by Mary with scriptures.

I also need scriptural proof of why you rule out further natural children.

In the meantime, ruminate on this

Matthew 1:25 (ESV)
25 but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus..


Once you are done, go back to Revelation and answer the original question I posed; what makes you think Mary is in heaven?
I may not agree with your chapter 12 atrocious exegesis but even if I agreed, all it says is that the woman is the mother of Jesus and that she adopted some offspring who the devil fought.

clears throat..

I will still engage you, at least for the fun of it.

You are just being childish.... You were the one who asked about other offspring and I have come to show them to you. Now you are throwing your usual tantrums. You should grow up, its not a crime.

Yes, I was waiting for that passage to come, yes he knew her not until she gave birth, and he still knew her NOT. Go back to the thread where you were being educated with the words of your beloved reformers and continue the education on that one. It is out of context here. You can open a thread and let me educate you.

Moving on,

I don't think Mary is in heaven, I told you that earlier....I know Mary is heaven and I am not alone. St. John knows, he saw her. You too can, pray to God to show you where Mary is. Don't be afraid to ask God.

@Red, I know it will be difficult for you to admit that you now agree and I know why. @Green, exactly what that passage talks about.



Take Care.

dmandy:
clears throat..

I will still engage you, at least for the fun of it.

You are just being childish.... You were the one who asked about other offspring and I have come to show them to you. Now you are throwing your usual tantrums. You should grow up, its not a crime.

I asked who her offsprings were and you point me to John. I reminded you Revelation talks of offsprings. No answer.

Yes, I was waiting for that passage to come, yes he knew her not until she gave birth, and he still knew her NOT. Go back to the thread where you were being educated with the words of your beloved reformers and continue the education on that one. It is out of context here. You can open a thread and let me educate you.

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Moving on,

I don't think Mary is in heaven, I told you that earlier....I know Mary is heaven and I am not alone.

Give me proof so I may know as well.
Don't seek refuge in numbers sir, majority don't make right

St. John knows, She saw her. You too can pray to God to show you where Mary is.

WHERE did John see Mary in heaven?

Of course I can pray, Muslims also pray and conclude Mohammed is a prophet. Scriptures please, no subjective experiences.

It will be difficult to admit that you now agree and I know why, but nevertheless. Mary is heaven.

Take Care.

it will be difficult to respect you as an erstwhile debater and honest truth seeker if you keep on making claims you can't substantiate. Nevertheless, a living dog is better than a dead lion. There is still room for learning on this side of the sun

vooks:
I asked who her offsprings were and you point me to John. I reminded you Revelation talks of offsprings. No answer.



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Give me proof so I may know as well.
Don't seek refuge in numbers sir, majority don't make right


WHERE did John see Mary in heaven?

Of course I can pray, Muslims also pray and conclude Mohammed is a prophet. Scriptures please, no subjective experiences.

it will be difficult to respect you as an erstwhile debater and honest truth seeker if you keep on making claims you can't substantiate. Nevertheless, a living dog is better than a dead lion. There is still room for learning on this side of the sun

Don't be in a hurry to deny the efficacy of prayer, Just give it a trial.

Someone told me that this merry go round is a walk through space and I think I agree with him.

You asked for Mary's offspring, I pointed you to one 'a beloved disciple' all I wanted was affirmation so that I point out the rest. But you won't take it. Do I care? No. Mary's other offspring include the likes of 'the beloved disciple' to whom Christ himself handed to her. Deal with it.

Until... that's your problem. But at least you don't have a problem with Mary being a virgin before and after the incarnation.

The word "until" does not imply that the status quo changed afterwards (as will be evident from the use of the same word in 1Sam 15:35; 2Sam 6:23; Mt 12:20);

If you can't believe the bible, you obviously ain't going to believe me. So, I won't give any proof. I doubt you will believe God even, little wonder you have not asked. You split my post to feed your fancy. John saw Mary in heaven. Believe it or not, it doesn't erase what is written in Rev 12.1.

I have not claimed anything other than what is written in the bible. Because Muslims pray, you cannot pray again. I have said nothing here outside the scriptures. Nevertheless, there is room for learning you say, yes I learn everyday and I bid you to do same if have not been doing it.

It's fun 'walking through space' with you. Lolx....

I will save my data now for Christmas. May God bless you.

EMILO2STAY:
stop giving urself orgasm over this your " answer my question " mantra, ur lack of comprehension has blinded not to see i have done that already in my previous posts. U on the other hand has failed woefully in proving ur pagan practice using the bible. U are the one who have run out of ideas. U think i am like one of u catholics who behave like zombies unable to think for themselves but swallow any doctrine thrown at them without consulting the bible.

I'm not going to be drawn into any war of words with you. At least not on this thread

dmandy:
Don't be in a hurry to deny the efficacy of prayer, Just give it a trial.

I love prayers

Someone told me that this merry go round is a walk through space and I think I agree with him.

Am glad you are enjoying yourself

You asked for Mary's offspring, I pointed you to one 'a beloved disciple' all I wanted was affirmation so that I point out the rest. But you won't take it. Do I care? No. Mary's other offspring include the likes of 'the beloved disciple' to whom Christ himself handed to her. Deal with it.

John won't make offsprings, are there other kids she adopted? Scriptures will do.

Until... that's your problem. But at least you don't have a problem with Mary being a virgin before and after the incarnation.

I have a problem with man-made doctrines such as perpetual virginity, sinlessness and Mary being in heaven

The word "until" does not imply that the status quo changed afterwards (as will be evident from the use of the same word in 1Sam 15:35; 2Sam 6:23; Mt 12:20);

We will take Greek and logic at the right time. For now, give me proof of perpetual virginity

If you can't believe the bible, you obviously ain't going to believe me. So, I won't give any proof. I doubt you will believe God even, little wonder you have not asked. You split my post to feed your fancy. John saw Mary in heaven. Believe it or not, it doesn't erase what is written in Rev 12.1.

Now, please, did Mary give birth in heaven or Bethlehem?

I have not claimed anything other than what is written in the bible. Because Muslims pray, you cannot pray again. I have said nothing here outside the scriptures. Nevertheless, there is room for learning you say, yes I learn everyday and I bid you to do same if have not been doing it.

It's fun 'walking through space' with you. Lolx....

I will save my data now for Christmas. May God bless you.

I pray and I believe in prayers but I don't send truth seekers to pray when they come to me, I give answers, BASIS for my faith, scriptural basis that is.

vooks:
You make a claim and then ascribe it to God.
The gate in this case is what, Mary's v@gina?

You see what I kept telling you, stop breaking my posts, both answers complement each other, I made no claim since I gave you a scriptural quote,I quoted Ezekiel 44:2. With regards to what the gate means, keep your mind pure so that the Holy spirit can guide you, and continue in that line of thought you're on, you'll get there....to the fullness of truth.

Syncan:
You see what I kept telling you, stop breaking my posts, both answers complement each other, I made no claim since I gave you a scriptural quote,I quoted Ezekiel 44:2. With regards to what the gate means, keep your mind pure so that the Holy spirit can guide you, and continue in that line of thought you're on, you'll get there....to the fullness of truth.

How does Ezekiel 44:2 prove perpetual virginity?

vooks:
How does Ezekiel 44:2 prove perpetual virginity?

Not my fault if you "have eyes but cannot see". Jer.5:21

EMILO2STAY:
guy it seems u are stupid and u lack simple comprehension my reply above has proved u wrong but u turn a blind eye to it so that u can keep ranting with ur sensless words: refute what i just put up there before saying any other sensless thing. U admit God commanded them to burn incense in the old testament but cannot prove he did same for christians.

People please can you help this person, it seems that she needs help, I mean a lot of help, now pls can you clearly state where Jesus or any book in the new testament said this is the beginning of the new testament or can u please show where d new form of worship of God is clearly defined in the bible?

While I wait for urs here are some things for u to remember
1. I have come not to abolish the law and the prophets but to fulfill them said Jesus.
2. In the selection of a new Disciple to replace Judas (Matthias) the order in the old testament was used.
3. Jesus in the synagogue picked the scroll of Isaiah after reading He said today this scripture was fulfilled in their hearing.
4. The disciples and apostles of Christ taught about Christ in union with the old testament.

Syncan:
Not my fault if you "have eyes but cannot see". Jer.5:21

This is a long way of saying you believe because you were told

Aizenosa:
People please can you help this person, it seems that she needs help, I mean a lot of help, now pls can you clearly state where Jesus or any book in the new testament said this is the beginning of the new testament or can u please show where d new form of worship of God is clearly defined in the bible?

While I wait for urs here are some things for u to remember
1. I have come not to abolish the law and the prophets but to fulfill them said Jesus.
2. In the selection of a new Disciple to replace Judas (Matthias) the order in the old testament was used.
3. Jesus in the synagogue picked the scroll of Isaiah after reading He said today this scripture was fulfilled in their hearing.
4. The disciples and apostles of Christ taught about Christ in union with the old testament.

what is the meaning of this sensless ranting, i see u are just another catholic zombie. Engaging u will be another waste of time as i see u dont even understand what u just wrote up there, ur number one has said it all but u are catholic zombie so i dont expect u to understand the bible.

Ichiato:
I'm not going to be drawn into any war of words with you. At least not on this thread

thats fine cuz i even endured u all this while.

A summary of the Wisdom of dmandy the Catholic apologist;

1. Mary is the Queen Mother and as such a co-ruler with Jesus Christ the King of Kings
2. As a Queen Mother, she advises/counsels Jesus Christ
3. Counseling is 'recommending a course of action'
4. Proof of Mary counseling Jesus is John 2 at Cana where she TOLD Jesus the wine had ran out
5. When we pray we counsel Jesus and therefore co-rule with Him
6. Mary is in heaven
7. Proof of #6 is Revelation 12:1 where John saw Mary in heaven
8. Mary delivered/gave birth to Jesus in heaven

A summary of The Wisdom of Syncan
1. Mary is a perpetual virgin

2. Evidence of #1 is
Ezekiel 44:2-3 (ESV)
2 And the Lord said to me, “This gate shall remain shut; it shall not be opened, and no one shall enter by it, for the Lord, the God of Israel, has entered by it. Therefore it shall remain shut. 3 Only the prince may sit in it to eat bread before the Lord. He shall enter by way of the vestibule of the gate, and shall go out by the same way.”

vooks:
A summary of the Wisdom of dmandy the Catholic apologist;

1. Mary is the Queen Mother and as such a co-ruler with Jesus Christ the King of Kings
2. As a Queen Mother, she advises/counsels Jesus Christ
3. Counseling is 'recommending a course of action'
4. Proof of Mary counseling Jesus is John 2 at Cana where she TOLD Jesus the wine had ran out
5. When we pray we counsel Jesus and therefore co-rule with Him
6. Mary is in heaven
7. Proof of #6 is Revelation 12:1 where John saw Mary in heaven
8. Mary delivered/gave birth to Jesus in heaven

A summary of The Wisdom of Syncan
1. Mary is a perpetual virgin

2. Evidence of #1 is
Ezekiel 44:2-3 (ESV)
2 And the Lord said to me, “This gate shall remain shut; it shall not be opened, and no one shall enter by it, for the Lord, the God of Israel, has entered by it. Therefore it shall remain shut. 3 Only the prince may sit in it to eat bread before the Lord. He shall enter by way of the vestibule of the gate, and shall go out by the same way.”

These people never learn

KingEbukasBlog:
These people never learn

Catholicism Satanism is a CULT. The difference between it and Branch Camp Davidians is size.
The best sign to watch out for a cult is their AUTHORITY. It is always without exception a man/institution and never scriptures.
-For SDAs, their authority is the writings of Ellen G White so nicknamed Spirit of Prophecy
-For Jehovah's Witnesses it is the Watchtower publications
-For Christian Scientists it is the writings of Mary Eddy Baker
-For Mormons, it is the writings of Joseph Smith
-For Scientologists it is Ron Hubbard
-For Catholicism, their authority is Rome

It does not matter how much scriptures they quote, they approach God and His word wearing their respective authority's shades.

Observe total suspension of reason by a Catholic (dmandy) in arguing that Mary is in heaven (note I don't dispute that Mary is in heaven, I merely say We have no proof she is there);

Revelation 12:1-3 (ESV)
1 And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. 2 She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains and the agony of giving birth.

How does this prove that Mary is in heaven? Did Mary travail in birth pangs in heaven?

A second example will suffice;
Hebrews 1:6 (ESV)
6 And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says,
“Let all God's angels worship him.”

Is it not clear as daylight that Angels worshipped Jesus when he was born? But a Jehovah's Witness sheeple (dolphinheart) is convinced that angels worshipped Jesus not when He was born but after his ascension and sitting at the right hand of the throne.

Now my broda, we all approach life with some presumptions,but I hope you can see cultists are light years ahead of any of us with presumptions. One thing they can never do is CONTRADICT their authority. Anything or any information they absorb MUST conform to their authority's 'truth' else it is discarded as lies.

Have a good night sir

Wow I am being called a zombie because I decided to teach you hmm, now I see what i am truly facing because truly a mouth that offers insults as reply to sense is damned, no need deliberating with an empty skull nothing except deliverance can help u, I will stay of repling u, if ur eyes are still closed den nothing can open them.

Anyway a special prayer for u, Receive sense in the name of Jesus. Amen

Aizenosa:
Wow I am being called a zombie because I decided to teach you hmm, now I see what i am truly facing because truly a mouth that offers insults as reply to sense is damned, no need deliberating with an empty skull nothing except deliverance can help u, I will stay of repling u, if ur eyes are still closed den nothing can open them.

Anyway a special prayer for u, Receive sense in the name of Jesus. Amen

one just has to pity the way them, the way they behave. The insults is just a sign that they are not even making any sense even to themselves.

Ichiato:
one just has to pity the way them, the way they behave. The insults is just a sign that they are not even making any sense even to themselves.

U just understand bro, may Christ help all, its a pity.

Here we go again, twisting my words-No your not breaking the law having an image, you are breaking the law worshipping one.
Quote>Your words are-I will worship the Mary the bible told me to worship, {you mean the idol Mary} where in the bible does it say this?
Exodus 20:4 "You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in Heaven above or on the Earth beneath or in the waters below,
God said, you shall not make any images IN THE FORM OF ANYTHING IN HEAVEN sure enough you had made an image of Mary, either with Jesus as a baby in Her arms, or with Jesus standing on His own-these are the images God said not to build from above.
This was our first argument, before you had decided to twist my words, to my own image, and of course things have gotten out of hand taken us both further away from the truth.
When we look above the Vatican, we see statues of the demonic angels with demons looking down at the people, standing with the saints, these sit above the Church buildings. Rooms full of demonic demons-rooms full of the skull and bones-praying to the dead souls, and these are worshipped underneath the Vatican.
Catholic's are train to catch a Christian-but I assure you-the word of God won't be mocked by wolves in sheep clothing.
God lives in each of us, its His Spirit that teaches us all things through the word-Christians don't need statue images to remind them Jesus is real, all we need, is the word of God-as we seek further into the bible, God blesses us, it's the word of God that leads us to Christ, It's the word of God that pictures Christ in our hearts.
You seem to be trapped in the old testament' where their were idol god's made.
The Arks had two different meanings, First Noah built an Ark that took the animals.
Second Moses built the 10 commandments Ark, a covenant which was a different kind of religious symbol' then the Israelites were used to.
It was not an statue meant to represent the physical manifestations of a god.
It was a container for God, it was to be respected' but not worshipped, instead it was placed where man and God can meet.
When Moses came down from the mountain, he saw the Israelites dancing around a golden calf.
Moses threw the tablets of the 10 commandment down to the ground smashing them, because the people had made something from paganism. Worshipping it, bowing down and praying to it.
So you see, having an images, isn't the same as worshipping a image, any images made that takes people away from god, is an image made as a god.
You made images from above, God don't live in statues, He didn't live inside the Ark either, He lives in those who have chosen to believe.

dmandy:
Trust me, I will ignore your insults and engage you decently.

Learn to read. I don't worship images.

Say it the way it is.... I am not protecting the church from you. who are you? I am defending the truth.

Point out where I lied or showed willingness to lie against the truth and I will follow you. Else look for more straw to grasp.... o di so much allowed.

I am not breaking any commandments by having images.

Sir, the bible said 'Image' and image is image. You are the one that is making exemptions.

You said we are talking about the images mentioned in the bible some of the images mentioned In bible includes: the ark, golden calf, bronze serpent, cherubim, lots wife, temple, scrolls, man etc? Which one exactly did we start talking about.

False prophets are the ones that say taking pictures and printing them on paper made of woods is idolatry.

You say' you don't like the insults, but you don't mined dishing them out either, Quote> Her Spirit lives on with Christ and her soul with brocab?
Well she isn't alive today is she, she is only alive in a statue image in the Catholic Church.
Her spirit nor the disciples spirits can bring us to Christ, It's God who draws us to Him.
Well which part of the bible, can you prove she had gone up to heaven body and Spirit?
Jesus said, and the dead shall raise first-and those who are still alive will meet them in the clouds' at His coming.
Not even His disciples back then are alive in the flesh, we are His new disciples, and we will carry His word until the end of our time, and those after us will carry His word until the end of their time, until Christ returns.

dmandy:
Her spirit lives on with Christ and her soul with brocab?

In what book of the bible did you read that she Is dead and buried?

Two questions that will be avoided like two poisonous snakes.

Merry Christmas

1 kings does not say that Mary is Queen.

dmandy:
Mary does not have authority equal to that of Jesus. That is your false teaching.

1king 2:19 proves Mary is queen.

Something tells me you have known that Mary is the mother of Jesus who is God. Thank me for teaching you that.

Finish the sentence?

dmandy:
Where did you get that info?

Thank you for your honesty dmandy. But if you could point out where in the scriptures the bible told you to worship Mary, this would be a bonus.
Quote>I WILL WORSHIP THE MARY THAT THE BIBLE TOLD ME TO WORSHIP.
Mary is much more alive than you. {She can only be living in Spirit}
FROM THE BEGINNING YOU HAVE DENIED THE TRUTH, YOU ALL DID. NOW WITH YOUR HONESTY WE DON'T NEED TO GO ANY FURTHER ABOUT THIS MATTER.
YOU NOW HAVE THE EVIDENCE WRITTEN DOWN IN FRONT OF US ALL, YOUR CLAIMS BELOW IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME.
This was our Argument from the beginning-and it was you and Italo along with the others, had denied the truth-who you really worship.
Thank you, and have a Merry Christmas with family and friends.

dmandy:
I worship the Mary that the bible told me to worship.

Mary is much more alive than you.

This is how you are twisting my words-Quote> You don't have an image of yourself in mirror-and of course you don't have pictures on paper.
Firstly I didn't make my image-God did, and if I looked into a mirror-yes I see my image, but I didn't make it, from the beginning it was given to me by God.
Secondly if I had a photo image of myself-its like looking into a mirror, but the image is on paper.
Still" as I had said, I didn't make my image-god made my image from the beginning.

dmandy:
I am not blind sir, I am only making sure I read what you meant.

It's not really that bad to repeat for emphasis.

Granted you don't make images of yourself... You don't have image of yourself in mirror(clay) and of course you don't have pictures on paper(wood).

I'm sorry for assuming you have images of yourself. Pardon my mistake.

I have images of myself and my loved ones all around me but I don't sing praises to these images. I rather sing praises to they themselves when there is need for it but not their image.

What about your house plan? It is an image of something on earth. If you dont make image of yourself but make that of your house.... you are guilty of making images. And let me add that your house is made of clay, wood and stone.

Mention me

......By their fruits we shall know them.......