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| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by FighterPilot(m): 9:41am On Dec 22, 2015 |
Tesla Motors is coming to South Africa. I guess our son, Elon Musk is remembering home sweet home. http://mybroadband.co.za/news/business/150283-tesla-motors-coming-to-south-africa-report.html |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by FighterPilot(m): 9:50am On Dec 22, 2015 |
iblawi:Actually what I see here is that MTN group wants to close down their Nigerian shop and now MTN Nigeria wants to save its skin. They will all lose their jobs and kiss them goodbye. All that is left is for them to fight and save their jobs. http://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/12/n1-4trn-fine-fg-calls-mtns-bluff-says-dec-31-deadline-subsists/ |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by iblawi(m): 12:21pm On Dec 22, 2015 |
FighterPilot:Bye bye MTN |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 12:27pm On Dec 22, 2015 |
FighterPilot:Angola says it defeated south African army, south African army says it defeated the Angolan army. Who's telling the truth? Let's look at some key facts:h 1: the south aafrican military classified the details of that war for a very long time. Why the _fuck would I be hiding my victorious adventure? From whom? For what? Except I have something to hide. 2. South Africa pulled out of namibia and granted independence at Angola's request 3. South Africa called for negotiatiOns. 4. Two of your past presidents have made public pronouncement that contradicts every single account you have submitted here. I think I have provided enough logic, facts and rational conclusions all backed by verifiable sources to put this point beyond debate. |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 12:34pm On Dec 22, 2015 |
FighterPilot:MTN pulls out of Nigeria, then the game changes. It will mark the beginning Of the end Of the group. |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by FighterPilot(m): 1:20pm On Dec 22, 2015 |
lezz:MTN has over 250 million subscribers. You can minus your 60 million customer base and MTN will survive. What is the use? Because it is said that SA customers have so far contributed the largest profit. MTN Nigeria has been fined regularly since it arrived in Nigeria. It is very obvious that Nigeria is using it as a cash cow. |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by FighterPilot(m): 1:32pm On Dec 22, 2015*. Modified: 5:26pm On Dec 22, 2015 |
lezz:Angola never said a thing. Cuba and Russia did the fighting. However, South Africa claimed victory with only few casualties as compared to Cuba/USSR coalition. |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 2:37pm On Dec 22, 2015 |
FighterPilot:be careful, only rumour of a fine by Nigeria regulatory body has pummelled mtn's shares down 16% totalling a loss of 50 billion rands. That's just a two day loss on the rumour that Nigeria isn't happy with you. Now what do you envisage the life-long consequence would be if your largest subscriber base kicked you out permanently? |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by FighterPilot(m): 4:32pm On Dec 22, 2015*. Modified: 5:25pm On Dec 22, 2015 |
lezz:MTN regained 6% on its market value ever since the last fall. Read the news and keep up to date. MTN will survive even if it leaves Nigerian shop and save itself its cash reserves, so said SA analysts. Their continued stay is risky and detrimental to the business. Nigeria's customer base is said to be the bigges in terms of its revenues but the fine will cancel all that. Even the smallest UGANDA will be said to have made more money than their biggest Nigerian counterpart. How will it help MTN? |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 6:40pm On Dec 22, 2015 |
FighterPilot:Yes, mtn will survive if they leave the Nigerian market...that's the word, surviving, not living. It was a catastrophic, game-changing fall. Remember the CEO of mtn group had to resign due to the Nigerian fiasco. |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by FighterPilot(m): 7:27pm On Dec 22, 2015 |
lezz:With over 180 million customers and keeping their cash, they will live. |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by FighterPilot(m): 8:27pm On Dec 22, 2015 |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lionel4power(m): 9:27pm On Dec 22, 2015 |
FighterPilot:few casualty =/= victory dundi |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 9:31am On Dec 23, 2015 |
lezz:1. Not classified anymore. Classified at the time because our actions were illegal in terms of international law (preventative attacks are illegal) and casualty figures were never classified thanks to a High Court ruling. 2. Cuba pulled out of Angola at South Africas request 3. And Cuba met the terms of our Negotiations 4. No they have not What is beyond dispute is that there were 35 battles in Angola South Africa won 34 decivly with 1 being at worst a draw 4~10K South Africans stopped 60K Cubans and over 100K Angolans dead in their tracks for 25 years In one single battle we killed 4000 men, destroyed over 90 tanks and captured over a tens of millions of dollars in equipment for the loss of 15~30 men and a handfull of IFVs In the military sense, there is no argument that can dispute that we were the clear and outright winners. |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 9:36am On Dec 23, 2015 |
lionel4power:Judging by operational outcomes it was a win PLAN was slaughtered and was a non entity in the operational area for most of the war UNITA was protected and kept alive MPLA and Cuban forces were decisively defeated in every engagement All the while the SADF could operate in Angola with impunity for most of the war |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 9:43am On Dec 23, 2015 |
lezz:1. Lol posting CUBAN sources. "Yeah we totally beat the boers, we would provide evidence but its totally 'classified' promise!" 2. Are you claiming that the ANC is hiding the failures of the Apartheid government? |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 10:19am On Dec 23, 2015 |
patches689:Cuban sources? Patrick, have you started with your self-debasement yet again? Are you so swift in taking the dance of self-humiliation? If you're given facts , you will demand for links and sources, if you're provided sources, you'll look for excuses to rubish the sources. This debating with you is a waste of time, effort and intelligence. You are small minded and lonely. You have no life except on the pages of a 5 year old thread. You will water and nurture this thread to live for as long as is possible. Because herein lies your every existence. Let me nail you down finally: YOUR REVERED NELSON MANDELA TRAVELLED TO CUBA AND PROCLAIMED: "WE OWE THIS DAY TO YOU" FIDEL CASTRO ADDRESSED YOUR PARLIAMENT AND YOUR MP's INTERRUPTED HIS SPEECH WITH 33 HANDS OF APPLAUSES; SHOUTING THR WORDS : "Castro" like school boys. ZUMA WENT TO ANGOLA IN 2009 AND HEAPED PRAISES ON THE ANGOLAN ARMY FOR EMBARRASSING THE SANDF. there's nothing for you to add or substract, boy. One last strike: Martin Henry and Robert Pascal are not Cubans. The source isn't Cuban , piggy. |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 10:35am On Dec 23, 2015 |
patches689:The south African government classified casualties and names of dead soldiers hidden from their families, loss of equipments and nuclear plans when Angola was smoking you out. The ANC, after the fall of apartheid, only began declassifying some aspects yet. When are you going to own up? |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 10:42am On Dec 23, 2015 |
FighterPilot:Mtn only regained 5% not 6%, and that's after Nigeria NCC renewed its licence for 5 years. Get the facts out. |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by FighterPilot(m): 12:02pm On Dec 23, 2015 |
lezz:I didn't know that MTN licence was renewed 4 days ago because MTN share market soared by 6.31% at JSE when it closed. http://www.bdlive.co.za/business/technology/2015/12/18/mtn-takes-fight-over-nigerian-fine-to-court http://saharareporters.com/2015/12/17/mtn-challenge-huge-nigerian-fine-lagos-court http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/2015/12/mtn-to-challenge-huge-nigerian-fine-in-lagos-court/ Mr know-it-all who always get it wrong |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 12:34pm On Dec 23, 2015 |
FighterPilot:Trust me to _fuck you up any time of the day, minute of the hour : MTN offered some good news out of Nigeria on Tuesday, saying the authorities had renewed its licence for another five years. After a torrid week, its stock rose 5% to close at R155.54 after the announcement. http://www.bdlive.co.za/business/technology/2015/11/04/mtn-licence-renewed-but-penalty-still-an-issue N.B The source is from no where else but your own South Africa. One thing's clear; no South African here loves taking lessons or being proved wrong by a Nigerian ![]() Now dance in circles for me. |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by FighterPilot(m): 1:13pm On Dec 23, 2015 |
lezz:The shares soared by 6.31% after they announced that they would take the matter to the court citing that the NCC had no powers according to the Nigerian communication Act to impose such a hefty fine. |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 1:37pm On Dec 23, 2015*. Modified: 3:56pm On Dec 23, 2015 |
FighterPilot:Can you read your own statements? Taking a regulator to court is a matter of uncertainty at best and more troubles at worst. Shares and stocks don't grow when you have dispute with your landlord. Doesn't make sense. Mtn shares only grew when NCC decided to renew its operating licence that's due to expire February. Oya, I have submitted my source and excerpt to show this. Show your hand, give me a direct source/excerpt which clearly says mtn stock grew BECAUSE THEY DECIDED TO TAKE NCC TO COURT. |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by FighterPilot(m): 7:32pm On Dec 23, 2015*. Modified: 7:57pm On Dec 23, 2015 |
lezz:http://www.bdlive.co.za/business/technology/2015/12/23/nigeria-to-wait-for-mtn-court-case-outcome-before-enforcing-fine I have flooded and overwhelmed you with sources that showed that five days ago MTN shares soared by 6.3% when it closed in JSE. The sudden rise was not due to renewal of licence but some different issues. MTN shares gained 6.3% to R138.20 at the close in Johannesburg, the highest since December 3. That values the company at R255 billion. http://m.news24.com/fin24/Tech/News/mtn-to-dispute-huge-nigeria-fine-in-lagos-court-20151217 |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 10:52pm On Dec 23, 2015 |
lezz:1. You obviously lack a tertiary education as the analysis of sources is essential in any argument as it shows BIAS 2.yes, look at the web link its cuban 3. There are no respected neutral sources that cite SADF defeat. 4. The ANC praising Cuba for the support it provided to the ANC during the struggle has nothing to do with Cuba |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 10:53pm On Dec 23, 2015 |
FighterPilot:This isn't what I asked. You claimed Mtn's decision to go to court surged up their stock. I asked you to show me proof that the decision to go to court made their Stoke gain. I have provided you with sources from your own country which clearly stipulated that it was only after the NCC renewed mtn's licence that its stock rose. Below is the excerpt right from south Africa: MTN offered some good news out of Nigeria on Tuesday, saying the authorities had renewed its licence for another five years. After a torrid week, its stock rose 5% to close at R155.54 after the announcement. http://www.bdlive.co.za/business/technology/2015/11/04/mtn-licence-renewed-but-penalty-still-an-issue |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 10:54pm On Dec 23, 2015 |
lezz:1. A High Court ruling after Op Savannah made the hiding of casualty figures illegal 2. Provide proof that details have been classified 3. Are you saying the ANC is deliberately covering up the failures of the Apartheid regeim? |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 11:03pm On Dec 23, 2015 |
Hahahahaha After all lezzs accusations of South Africans hiding in the guests section I come on Thrash him He leaves The number of guests jumps from one to two |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 11:08pm On Dec 23, 2015 |
patches689:You have made it a tradition to dispute any source that doesn't align with your fantasies and mythical accounts. You aren't smart enough to make a convincing distortion of history. You're an intellectual dwarf and colossal quack. patches689:The authors aren't Cuban. Try something smarter, your patterns of denials are a little too well-worn now. patches689:That's the statement of a man who has lost all apeal and now looks to discredit all sources that differ from his wishes. patches689:What kind of support did Cuba render to ANC? Mandela went to Cuba to praise the Cuban military- who sent a few pilots and men- for defeating the SANDF, not for supporting ANC. Once again, you're going in circles, making no sense but covering your futile attempt to distort facts. Enjoy your self-torture. |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 11:13pm On Dec 23, 2015 |
patches689:I have given you sources, which you even quoted yesterday containing excerpts and links that showed south Africa classified details of the war. If you're aren't a petty lier who spawn falshood on response to posts, you would have remembered that I gave you the link yesterday. And now you asked me again for the same link, so you can discredit it again. I've always known you're having low attention span, but I never thought _stupidity was part of your many shortcomings. |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 11:18pm On Dec 23, 2015 |
patches689:You deliberately misspelt my handle so that your cheap lie can go unnoticed? Smh. I never knew my observation would haunt you so. It was the truth. We never have more than 6 guests here -only when all of you are logged out. And immediately you come online to Quote me ,after perusing my submissions, all the quests disappear. Nice try. |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 12:30am On Dec 24, 2015 |
. [size=13pt] War against Boko Haram largely won [/size] Minister of Information, Lai Mohammed NEWS AGENCY OF NIGERIA The Minister of Information and Culture, Alhaji Lai Mohammed, on Wednesday said the Nigerian military had met the December deadline to defeat the Boko Haram terrorists. The News Agency of Nigeria reported that the minister said this during his first meeting with editorial heads of media houses in Lagos. Mohammed said, “Today, I can report that the war against Boko Haram is largely won. I can confidently say this because just recently, I led a group of 33 journalists from both the local and international media to the hot bed of the insurgency, that is, Maiduguri, Kondugua, Kaoure and Bama. “Today, I can report to you that the entire 70 plus kilometres stretch from Maiduguri to Bama and all the way to Banki, which leads to Cameroun and the Central African Republic, are in the hands of our gallant troops.” He explained that during his visit to Borno, presence of the military could be felt ”every few metres along the road” and that at a point, he and the group felt they were just a kilometre to Sambisa forest. “They (the military) have so degraded the capacity of Boko Haram that the terrorists can no longer hold on to any territory just as they can no longer carry out any spectacular attack,” he added. Mohammed, however, said that though there were still cases of suicide bombings, it was pertinent to note that such was the nature if insurgency globally. ‘Unlike a war between two armies, an insurgency never ends with arms victory,” he said. “Even in countries like Colombia where insurgency was supposed to have ended decades ago, attacks like this still happen.” He said that the insurgents had adopted a new style of attacking soft targets like motor parks, schools, entertainment centres, religious centres, killing innocent people mostly women and children. He, therefore, urged Nigerians to support the military in the fight against terrorism in the country. “It is our turn as civilians to give them our support; to realise that the war they are fighting is not their war alone, but our war, hence we must own the war,” he said. The minister disclosed that a national security campaign had commenced to raise awareness among Nigerians about the war, the sacrifices of our troops, and how to stamp out the remnant of the war. “Jingles are being played on national radio and television as part of the campaign in order to keep the media better informed about the war, so that they can also better inform Nigerians,’’ he said. Mohammed also said that an ad-hoc committee, comprising media representatives as well as intelligence agencies, would be inaugurated to regularly be updated about the war in order to better inform the public. http://www.punchng.com/war-against-boko-haram-largely-won-lai-mohammed/ .
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