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wolebanks:
......By their fruits we shall know them.......

vooks:
Catholicism Satanism is a CULT. The difference between it and Branch Camp Davidians is size.
The best sign to watch out for a cult is their AUTHORITY. It is always without exception a man/institution and never scriptures.
-For SDAs, their authority is the writings of Ellen G White so nicknamed Spirit of Prophecy
-For Jehovah's Witnesses it is the Watchtower publications
-For Christian Scientists it is the writings of Mary Eddy Baker
-For Mormons, it is the writings of Joseph Smith
-For Scientologists it is Ron Hubbard
-For Catholicism, their authority is Rome

It does not matter how much scriptures they quote, they approach God and His word wearing their respective authority's shades.

Observe total suspension of reason by a Catholic (dmandy) in arguing that Mary is in heaven (note I don't dispute that Mary is in heaven, I merely say We have no proof she is there);

Revelation 12:1-3 (ESV)
1 And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. 2 She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains and the agony of giving birth.

How does this prove that Mary is in heaven? Did Mary travail in birth pangs in heaven?

A second example will suffice;
Hebrews 1:6 (ESV)
6 And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says,
“Let all God's angels worship him.”

Is it not clear as daylight that Angels worshipped Jesus when he was born? But a Jehovah's Witness sheeple (dolphinheart) is convinced that angels worshipped Jesus not when He was born but after his ascension and sitting at the right hand of the throne.

Now my broda, we all approach life with some presumptions,but I hope you can see cultists are light years ahead of any of us with presumptions. One thing they can never do is CONTRADICT their authority. Anything or any information they absorb MUST conform to their authority's 'truth' else it is discarded as lies.

Have a good night sir

Thank you sir for this insightful post . Remain blessed

KingEbukasBlog:
Thank you sir for this insightful post . Remain blessed

Merry and safe Christmas my broda

vooks:
Merry and safe Christmas my broda

Amen and same to you

Aizenosa:
Wow I am being called a zombie because I decided to teach you hmm, now I see what i am truly facing because truly a mouth that offers insults as reply to sense is damned, no need deliberating with an empty skull nothing except deliverance can help u, I will stay of repling u, if ur eyes are still closed den nothing can open them.

Anyway a special prayer for u, Receive sense in the name of Jesus. Amen

i called you zombie because you catholics throw away reason, rationality, common sense, and honesty in ur attempt to justify ur church tradition, u put up sensless words so much so that even a mad man will envy you. You cant teach me the word of God because you dont seem to understand it as a blind man cant lead a blind man. Let me help you a lil bit, if you want to understand the word of God throw away all the silly traditions of ur church and what they have idoctrinated you with, then go study the word of God with an open mind and free urself from the bondage of satan.

dmandy:
You can speak for yourself on that one. I also hate not just the putrid smell but the entirety of Satanism and paganism.

I hate what God hates and what God hates is sin not Mary.

You think Nobody knows? God knows and has revealed it to St. John the Apostle and every other person who care to ask Him 'Mary is heaven'.

If indeed you are a Christian, then you are also called to lead people from all ends of the earth to Christ.

Where in the Bible?

DiademSh07:
Where in the Bible?

dmandy (and his sidekick Syncan) says evidence of this is Revelation 12:1 where John sees a woman in heaven about to give birth.

This is plain idiotic because if you take that woman to be Mary, at the time she is in heaven, she is ABOUT to give birth but we damn well know that Mary delivered Jesus Christ in Nazareth.

Supposing for argument sake she indeed was in heaven, where is proof hat NOW she is?

Note Catholics claim the child born to the woman is Jesus Christ and being caught up in heaven is the Ascension. But the woman we are told was hid in the wilderness from the devil and Satan attempted to destroy her but the EARTH came to her defense. All these by any stretch of imagination means all that happened on earth, for how can the earth defend a woman who is in heaven?

Or was Mary in heaven,came down and then ascended back up?

Note,
Am not refuting that Mary is in heaven for in this doing I'd need to give proof that she is not, all am saying is there is no evidence she is in heaven, and John the Revelator NEVER HINTED SUCH.

Catholicism Satanism core doctrines are totally foreign to scriptures and for this reason, they have to appeal to apocrypha to prop ideas such as purgatory,assumption,perpetual virginity and immaculateness/sinlessness of Mary.

Modern Catholicism Satanism apologists are wizening up to the can of worms that apocrypha is and you won't find them appealing to them in debates. They instead stick to scriptures as you have seen these clowns (italo,dmandy,Syncan) do.

Sticking to scriptures does not help at all for their core doctrines are essentially extra-biblical. If scriptural proof of Mary in heaven is Revelation 12:1, one is forced to call these what they really are;amateur and dishonest ret@rds pretending to be exegetes

Syncan:
And why can't the rest of her offsprings be natural?

Ans: Because God has decided so.


Any scripture to support this?

Ans: Yes.

Ezekiel.44:2 "Then said the LORD unto me; This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter in by it; because the LORD, the God of Israel, hath entered in by it, therefore it shall be shut".

my God is so great, he is d one who passes the door an shuts it behind him. He declears, becos I the LORD has passed thru the door it shall remain shut. It befits the majesty of God.

Let the name calling begin.


D bible say " A great SIGN appeared in heaven", and someone who cant understand simple english is teaching scriptures.
The day the protestant start telling the catholic he is d sole interpreter of scriptures.
May God save us from ignorance.

brocab:
1 kings does not say that Mary is Queen.

but it clearly shows that the mother of the king is the queen mother, who sits with a crown by the king.

Take your time to read some chapters in the bible concerning these topic.

THE ROSARY IS A PRAYER IN HONOUR OF THE BLESSED VIRGIN MARY ( LUKE 1:28 .....AND LUKE 1:42.....)

USE OF IMAGE AND SACRAMENTS (2Kings 13:20-21,Num;21:8-9,Ex 25:17-22, Col 1:20;1:14,Jon.12:32,Acts.19:11-12

Ubenedictus:
my God is so great, he is d one who passes the door an shuts it behind him. He declears, becos I the LORD has passed thru the door it shall remain shut. It befits the majesty of God.

What is the door?

Yes it clearly does say it, but it doesn't say its Mary, plus every earthly king has a wife.
Jesus is the king of kings-His bride is yet to come. Which is the Church-but not your Church building, it's the Church.

Ubenedictus:
but it clearly shows that the mother of the king is the queen mother, who sits with a crown by the king.

Quote>In infant baptism in the bible "No I can't see it, the way you see it.
It say's all who were the the household were baptised-Maid servants, men servants etc..nothing about infants. But if their were infants-Its seems the youngsters were at the age to decide for themselves, everyone in the house heard the word and believed.
I don't know how you believe otherwise, someone is playing the guessing game here.
We live by choice-baby infants don't have that choice-this is why Jesus said: to Nicodemus one must be born again, before he could enter into the kingdom of God-he said this, because Nicodemus was old enough to make up his own choices.
Jesus picked out 12 disciples {Men} who could make choices, not 12 infants.
Luke 1:42 "Sorry" nothing, written to say the rosary's are used in prayer, and nothing where it say's you pray to Mary-or even worship her?
I don't know how you read the scriptures, but I assure you, everything you Catholic's have pointed out, none reads the way you read it.

chassylite:
Take your time to read some chapters in the bible concerning these topic.

THE ROSARY IS A PRAYER IN HONOUR OF THE BLESSED VIRGIN MARY ( LUKE 1:28 .....AND LUKE 1:42.....)

USE OF IMAGE AND SACRAMENTS (2Kings 13:20-21,Num;21:8-9,Ex 25:17-22, Col 1:20;1:14,Jon.12:32,Acts.19:11-12

brocab,
Can you see how these bunch of retards led by Syncan and ubenedictus claim that evidence of perpetual virginity is Ezekiel 44:2?

Ezekiel 44:2-3 (KJV)
Then said the Lord unto me; This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter in by it; because the Lord, the God of Israel, hath entered in by it, therefore it shall be shut. 3 It is for the prince; the prince, he shall sit in it to eat bread before the Lord; he shall enter by the way of the porch of that gate, and shall go out by the way of the same.


Cc KingEbukasblog

brocab:
This is how you are twisting my words-Quote> You don't have an image of yourself in mirror-and of course you don't have pictures on paper.
Firstly I didn't make my image-God did, and if I looked into a mirror-yes I see my image, but I didn't make it, from the beginning it was given to me by God.
Secondly if I had a photo image of myself-its like looking into a mirror, but the image is on paper.
Still" as I had said, I didn't make my image-god made my image from the beginning.

Thank God for your life. Merry Christmas

vooks asked a question thus: "And why can't the rest of her offsprings be natural? Any scripture to support this?" For which I answered using scriptures Ezekiel 44:2. "Then said the Lord unto me; This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter in by it; because the Lord, the God of Israel, hath entered in by it, therefore it shall be shut". May the Lord grant us understanding.
Note that no where did I answer on Perpetual Virginity of Mary, for I gave it to him as an assignment here https://www.nairaland.com/2761616/does-adeboye-now-believe-canonization/9#41281008.

Yet for this scriptural response of mine, he has followed up with the following :

vooks:
dmandy (and his sidekick Syncan) says evidence of this is Revelation 12:1 ...
Am not refuting that Mary is in heaven for in this doing I'd need to give proof that she is not, all am saying is there is no evidence she is in heaven, and John the Revelator NEVER HINTED SUCH.
They instead stick to scriptures as you have seen these clowns (italo,dmandy,Syncan) do.
....Sticking to scriptures does not help at all for their core doctrines are essentially extra-biblical. If scriptural proof of Mary in heaven is Revelation 12:1, one is forced to call these what they really are;amateur and dishonest ret@rds pretending to be exegetes

vooks:
The gate in this case is what, Mary's v@gina?

vooks:
brocab,
Can you see how these bunch of retards led by Syncan and ubenedictus claim that evidence of perpetual virginity is Ezekiel 44:2?...

Cc KingEbukasblog

1Tim.6:4 "He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself".

St. Paul says it all.

brocab:
Thank you for your honesty dmandy. But if you could point out where in the scriptures the bible told you to worship Mary, this would be a bonus.
Quote>I WILL WORSHIP THE MARY THAT THE BIBLE TOLD ME TO WORSHIP.
Mary is much more alive than you. {She can only be living in Spirit}
FROM THE BEGINNING YOU HAVE DENIED THE TRUTH, YOU ALL DID. NOW WITH YOUR HONESTY WE DON'T NEED TO GO ANY FURTHER ABOUT THIS MATTER.
YOU NOW HAVE THE EVIDENCE WRITTEN DOWN IN FRONT OF US ALL, YOUR CLAIMS BELOW IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME.
This was our Argument from the beginning-and it was you and Italo along with the others, had denied the truth-who you really worship.

Thank you, and have a Merry Christmas with family and friends.

You are welcome Sir,

Thank you for the good wishes, I really had a wonderful Christmas holidays.

Yes, I believe you, we don't need to go any further, only that I have never denied to you in the sense of it that worship Mary. I do and I will continue to do as long as the bible remains the word of God. BTW, I also worship my father.

Syncan:
vooks asked a question thus: "And why can't the rest of her offsprings be natural? Any scripture to support this?" For which I answered using scriptures Ezekiel 44:2. "Then said the Lord unto me; This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter in by it; because the Lord, the God of Israel, hath entered in by it, therefore it shall be shut". May the Lord grant us understanding.
Note that no where did I answer on Perpetual Virginity of Mary, for I gave it to him as an assignment here https://www.nairaland.com/2761616/does-adeboye-now-believe-canonization/9#41281008.

Am still waiting for how Ezekiel 44:2-3 supports perpetual virginity. If it doesn't, walk me through what purpose it serves.

Look at your reply to this question;

Syncan:
You see what I kept telling you, stop breaking my posts, both answers complement each other, I made no claim since I gave you a scriptural quote,I quoted Ezekiel 44:2. With regards to what the gate means, keep your mind pure so that the Holy spirit can guide you, and continue in that line of thought you're on, you'll get there....to the fullness of truth.

If Catholicism Satanism teaches you that the gate is the Mary's vagina, just say so, or go against your doctrine and tell me what it is. At this point, instead of confirming nor denying this very obvious conclusion, you went on rambling. See the highlighted. You chose ambiguity. Apparently some of your doctrines are too toxic to be shared.

Exactly what does the gate stand for? Is it a human orifice?

Cc dmandy,italo,KingEbukasblog,brocab,DiademSh07

vooks:
A summary of the Wisdom of dmandy the Catholic apologist;

1. Mary is the Queen Mother and as such a co-ruler with Jesus Christ the King of Kings
2. As a Queen Mother, she advises/counsels Jesus Christ
3. Counseling is 'recommending a course of action'
4. Proof of Mary counseling Jesus is John 2 at Cana where she TOLD Jesus the wine had ran out
5. When we pray we counsel Jesus and therefore co-rule with Him
6. Mary is in heaven
7. Proof of #6 is Revelation 12:1 where John saw Mary in heaven
8. Mary delivered/gave birth to Jesus in heaven


A summary of The Wisdom of Syncan
1. Mary is a perpetual virgin

2. Evidence of #1 is
Ezekiel 44:2-3 (ESV)
2 And the Lord said to me, “This gate shall remain shut; it shall not be opened, and no one shall enter by it, for the Lord, the God of Israel, has entered by it. Therefore it shall remain shut. 3 Only the prince may sit in it to eat bread before the Lord. He shall enter by way of the vestibule of the gate, and shall go out by the same way.”

Your summary is just straight to the point, exactly what the bible teaches. Which tells me you have stopped reading the bible backwards. Keep it up. Considering your point #1, I will tell you not to despair Mary has not taken it all, you too can co-reign with Him if you do His will. You can start today, never say never. Yes, according to your #2, queen mother counsels and intercedes. Writing told in bold does not change the meaning, when you counsel you 'tell'. Lastly, I will still have to remind you that prayer is effective and that you can ask God to tell you where the mother of His only begotten son is, if you are still confused.

I must however, point out that you are missing a point here, Sycan gave you a passage as a proof that 'the other offspring' we talked about is not natural, rather than refute or say what the gate is according to your own understanding, you are busy throwing tantrums and abuses left, right and center.

dmandy:
I must however, point out that you are missing a point here, Sycan gave you a passage as a proof that 'the other offspring' we talked about is not natural, rather than refute or say what the gate is according to your own understanding, you are busy throwing tantrums and abuses left, right and center.

How does Ezekiel 44:2-3 prove the other offspring as being anything but natural?

Let's break down your logic
1. According to Catholicism Satanism, Mary conceived and gave birth to Jesus Christ our Lord and AFTER that, she bore nobody else
2. According to Ezekiel 44:2-3, one of the four gates of the temple is to be shut indefinitely AFTER the Lord has gone through it because He went through the gate
3. #2 is proof of #1

#2 can only be 'proof' of #1 if the gate symbolizes either Mary's vagina or womb or reproductive organs. A Catholic Satanist who subscribes to #1 to #3 but studiously avoids this obvious conclusion is a dishonest scholar embarrassed of their doctrine.


Cc Syncan,KingEbukasblog,brocab,italo,ichiato,DiademSh07

vooks:
How does Ezekiel 44:2-3 prove the other offspring as being anything but natural?

It's not far fetched my brother, it shall remain shut, said the Lord to his prophet.

dmandy:
It's not far fetched my brother, it shall remain shut, said the Lord to his prophet.

What is this gate my broda?
If you are ashamed or afraid of the logical conclusion of your doctrine, then perhaps you should abandon them?

Let's study the East gate in DETAILS;
1. God entered INTO the temple by the gate
Ezekiel 43:1-5 (ESV)
1 Then he led me to the gate, the gate facing east. 2 And behold, the glory of the God of Israel was coming from the east. And the sound of his coming was like the sound of many waters, and the earth shone with his glory. 3 And the vision I saw was just like the vision that I had seen when he came to destroy the city, and just like the vision that I had seen by the Chebar canal. And I fell on my face. 4 As the glory of the Lord entered the temple by the gate facing east, 5 the Spirit lifted me up and brought me into the inner court; and behold, the glory of the Lord filled the temple.

2. The Prince could SIT at the gate
Ezekiel 44:3 (ESV)
3 Only the prince may sit in it to eat bread before the Lord. He shall enter by way of the vestibule of the gate, and shall go out by the same way.”

3. The gate was opened SEVERALLY
Ezekiel 46:1-3 (ESV)
Thus says the Lord God: The gate of the inner court that faces east shall be shut on the six working days, but on the Sabbath day it shall be opened, and on the day of the new moon it shall be opened. 2 The prince shall enter by the vestibule of the gate from outside, and shall take his stand by the post of the gate. The priests shall offer his burnt offering and his peace offerings, and he shall worship at the threshold of the gate. Then he shall go out, but the gate shall not be shut until evening. 3 The people of the land shall bow down at the entrance of that gate before the Lord on the Sabbaths and on the new moons


My broda,
If you conclude the gate to be Mary's womb/vagina, you would need to explain how she parts her legs every sabbath and new moon till evening not to mention the Prince who offers sacrifices by the gate. But you can reason that on Sunday, we commemorate the resurrection which is like a new birth of Jesus so Mary opens her womb every Sunday. Not sure how Sunday is Sabbath


And btw, the gate had to be opened and shut by a man or men!


Cc brocab,KingEbukasblog,italo,ichiato,Syncan,Ayoku777,DiademSh07

dmandy,Syncan,italo,Syncan,ichiato,Ubenedictus

Please explain how Revelation 12:1 places Mary in heaven, this is assuming the woman in that vision is Mary.

Merry Christmas

vooks:
What is this gate my broda?
If you are ashamed or afraid of the logical conclusion of your doctrine, then perhaps you should abandon them?

Let's study the East gate in DETAILS;
1. God entered INTO the temple by the gate
Ezekiel 43:1-5 (ESV)
1 Then he led me to the gate, the gate facing east. 2 And behold, the glory of the God of Israel was coming from the east. And the sound of his coming was like the sound of many waters, and the earth shone with his glory. 3 And the vision I saw was just like the vision that I had seen when he came to destroy the city, and just like the vision that I had seen by the Chebar canal. And I fell on my face. 4 As the glory of the Lord entered the temple by the gate facing east, 5 the Spirit lifted me up and brought me into the inner court; and behold, the glory of the Lord filled the temple.

2. The Prince could SIT at the gate
Ezekiel 44:3 (ESV)
3 Only the prince may sit in it to eat bread before the Lord. He shall enter by way of the vestibule of the gate, and shall go out by the same way.”

3. The gate was opened SEVERALLY
Ezekiel 46:1-3 (ESV)
Thus says the Lord God: The gate of the inner court that faces east shall be shut on the six working days, but on the Sabbath day it shall be opened, and on the day of the new moon it shall be opened. 2 The prince shall enter by the vestibule of the gate from outside, and shall take his stand by the post of the gate. The priests shall offer his burnt offering and his peace offerings, and he shall worship at the threshold of the gate. Then he shall go out, but the gate shall not be shut until evening. 3 The people of the land shall bow down at the entrance of that gate before the Lord on the Sabbaths and on the new moons


My broda,
If you conclude the gate to be Mary's womb/vagina, you would need to explain how she parts her legs every sabbath and new moon till evening not to mention the Prince who offers sacrifices by the gate. But you can reason that on Sunday, we commemorate the resurrection which is like a new birth of Jesus so Mary opens her womb every Sunday. Not sure how Sunday is Sabbath


And btw, the gate had to be opened and shut by a man or men!


Cc brocab,KingEbukasblog,italo,ichiato,Syncan,Ayoku777,DiademSh07

Lolx,

Sir, the two eastern gates of the mystical temple are not the same, there is the inner gate (sanctuary) (which is perpetually shut) and there is the outer gate (courts).

Now, who could this prince be and what bread could that be that he ate sitting in the gate?

dmandy:
Lolx,

Sir, the two eastern gates of the mystical temple are not the same, there is the inner gate (sanctuary) (which is perpetually shut) and there is the outer gate (courts).

Now, who could this prince be and what bread could that be that he ate sitting in the gate?

Lolx
You are funny.
Questions for you;
1. How many inner gates does the temple have
2. How many outer gates does the temple have
3. Which gate was to remain shut as per Ezekiel 44:2-3
4. Which gate does Ezekiel 46:1-3 have in mind?
5. How does one tell the 'two eastern gates' apart?
6. Where/How does a gate become a sanctuary/court?

Cc brocab,KingEbukasblog,italo,ichiato,Syncan,Ayoku777,DiademSh07

Leave me out of your argument vooks-I am no more religious then you are.

vooks:
Lolx
You are funny.
Questions for you;
1. How many inner gates does the temple have
2. How many outer gates does the temple have
3. Which gate was to remain shut as per Ezekiel 44:2-3
4. Which gate does Ezekiel 46:1-3 have in mind?
5. How does one tell the 'two eastern gates' apart?
6. Where/How does a gate become a sanctuary/court?

Cc brocab,KingEbukasblog,italo,ichiato,Syncan,Ayoku777,DiademSh07

vooks:
Lolx
You are funny.
Questions for you;
1. How many inner gates does the temple have
2. How many outer gates does the temple have
3. Which gate was to remain shut as per Ezekiel 44:2-3
4. Which gate does Ezekiel 46:1-3 have in mind?
5. How does one tell the 'two eastern gates' apart?

Thanks for the compliments. I am glad I made you laugh. Christmas is good bro... not minding that it is the satanic catholic church that asked you to be celebrating it.

Ezekiel 44: Then he brought me back the way of the gate of the outward sanctuary which looketh toward the east; and it was shut. Then said the LORD unto me; This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter in by it; because the LORD, the God of Israel, hath entered in by it, therefore it shall be shut.

Now, bro this gate the lord says shall be shut and not be opened. He is not an author of confusion, if he says it shall not be opened, then it shall not.

Ezekiel 46: Thus saith the Lord GOD; The gate of the inner court that looketh toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the sabbath it shall be opened, and in the day of the new moon it shall be opened.

Your question, how can one tell the two eastern gates apart? My answer, I know you don't think that the sanctuary and the court of the temple is the same thing. or do you?

BTW, you didn't bother saying a thing about the follow up question in the post you quoted.

brocab:
Leave me out of your argument vooks-I am no more religious then you are.

You are now confusing me @brocab. You don't agree with the vooks?

It's not my argument..

dmandy:
You are now confusing me @brocab. You don't agree with the vooks?

brocab:
Leave me out of your argument vooks-I am no more religious then you are.

This is not about who is more religious

If you have an argument with dmandy why write my name on the bottom of the page, believe me brother, I am not Catholic.
I would be the one to back you in the word of God, not go against you. so leave my name out of from the Catholic list.

vooks:
This is not about who is more religious