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vooks:
Syncan,ichiato,italo,dmandy and all other Satanists,
The temple had two gates, North and South through whim men could get INTO and OUT of the Temple.

Please walk me through what these are seeing Mary is the temple and the shut East gate is Mary or one of her orifice

Ezekiel 46:9 (KJV)
But when the people of the land shall come before the Lord in the solemn feasts, he that entereth in by the way of the north gate to worship shall go out by the way of the south gate; and he that entereth by the way of the south gate shall go forth by the way of the north gate: he shall not return by the way of the gate whereby he came in, but shall go forth over against it.

Cc KingEbukaNaija,brocab

This should be fun .

KingEbukaNaija:
This should be fun .

My broda,
This is the Catholic Satanist dilemma;
1. If you claim that Mary is the gate and that shutting the gate after the Lord so no man passes through is perpetual virginity,then the other two gates, North and South MUST be individuals to maintain consistency. Further, if passing through the gates is giving birth/life you'd need to,explain HOW men walk through one of the gates and leave through the other. They walk in as men and leave as men

2. If you claim that the Temple is Mary and that shutting the gate means perpetual virginity, you NECESSARILY imply that the gate is her birth canal. You'd have to explain how what is forbidden of the East Gate is accomplished vide the North and South Gate; getting IN and OUT of the temple. You'd also have to explain what sort of orifices are the North and South Gate

3. You can't possibly differ with Rome as Rome/papacy is infallible interpreter of scriptures

To answer all your guestions about catholic faith using bible read my posts on nairaland and visit www.Bibletruthsaboutcatholics. to see bible evidence

oracle2012:
To answer all your guestions about catholic faith using bible read my posts on nairaland and visit www.Bibletruthsaboutcatholics. to see bible evidence

Troll, are you diverting traffic to your shoddy blog?
Shame on you Negro

vooks:
My broda,
This is the Catholic Satanist dilemma;
1. If you claim that Mary is the gate and that shutting the gate after the Lord so no man passes through is perpetual virginity,then the other two gates, North and South MUST be individuals to maintain consistency. Further, if passing through the gates is giving birth/life you'd need to,explain HOW men walk through one of the gates and leave through the other. They walk in as men and leave as men

2. If you claim that the Temple is Mary and that shutting the gate means perpetual virginity, you NECESSARILY imply that the gate is her birth canal. You'd have to explain how what is forbidden of the East Gate is accomplished vide the North and South Gate; getting IN and OUT of the temple. You'd also have to explain what sort of orifices are the North and South Gate

3. You can't possibly differ with Rome as Rome/papacy is infallible interpreter of scriptures

I dont know why our catholic brethren are holding unto one or two verses and suppressing all other evidences that refute their weak claim . There are overwhelming evidences that utterly destroys that mendacious claim .

They give their own meaning now . How can gate mean some's birth canal ? Italo show face oo and help your brothers

vooks:
M0ron,
Whatever favored means, only Jesus is said to be sinless. So while we may debate the meaning of 'highly favored, we can certainly rule out sinlessness.

Wow so couldn't answer any of the questions sincerely but you want to with certainty rule out sinlessness. Nice try

Because betrothal does not mean sex you silly Neanderthal. Do you know anything about Jewish marriages? Do you know what is Betrothal No it doesn't mean sex but one who is betrothed would some day get married and expect to have kids. Why was married surprised that angrl would reveal to her that she is to have kids? See my point?

Of course you would go to your defence of claiming, I think I am better then any other born again Christians, I am a believer, like any other.
Like always you Catholic's have lined me up' what other born again's say and do.
You seem to believe when one protestant is out of line-the rest follow. We could say that about the Catholic Church, "couldn't we.
Why don't you open up your own eye's, and start seeing for yourself, the changers that's happening inside all churches, men of corrupt minds destitute of the truth-who suppose the godliness is a source to financial gain.
The net's covered with stories-pick and choose Yes I have found fault even in the pentecostal Churches. Preachers preaching against the word of God-worshipping the cash-more then God. The bible say's you can't worship Mammon and God at the same time, you will either hate the one and love the other. By their fruits you will know them. From such withdraw yourselves.
But of course I have listened to the Catholic's, this sort of behaviour doesn't happen inside your Church-as you believe your Church is the perfect Church, you seem to only find the faults with other protestants, but you can't seem to find fault within.
Hypocrite, first pull the plank out of your own eye, before you pull the plank out of your brothers eye.
As you say, your teaching are the teachings of the Holy Catholic Church, Does this make you a superhero-teaching others another doctrine which is against the word of God. You already know the truth, and you know its wrong to teach. not the truth, you are ignoring the facts about Christ Himself, As we all know the net' around the world, are showing facts about the hidden truths, the in's and out's of other religions and why? Lets watch this video live and see the other doctrine that's preached within the Catholic Church, and lets experience together who they truly worship, instead of the God we all know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcpVrtv2t-M
Is it right for you to worship another? No" theirs only One God-One Lord and One Holy Spirit. No Mary.

Syncan:
Our Jesus and His Mother Mary are not in any competition. There's nothing like "people like you", My teachings are the teachings of the one Holy Catholic Church. The same one whose princes and theologians Compiled and Canonized the Bible, the one whose glorious sons and daughters shed their blood through out the persecution of the early heathens of Roman Empire and the Bavarian (you may google catacombs). The one voice that continues to defend morality in our modern times. The one whose adherence to Christ words of "love thy neighbor" makes her the greatest charitable organisation the world has ever witnessed. The one Church whose teachings and indeed acts are not based on one man's dreams, another's lascivious desires nor someone's greed. The greatest spreader of the good news to the world through out history, conquering heathen territories, converting nations, and winning souls for Christ. The church that has withstood the gates of hell for about two thousand (2000) years and still stands as promised in Matt.16:18. The Church that is proud of and exalts her Children who are saints , yet is not afraid to acknowledge, instruct, love and pray for her children who are sinners. That's the church we're talking about, the Church, the pillar and foundation of truth. 1Tim.3:15. Praise God!


Now you condemn other "born again" as following the words of man, while you are the one with enough experience to follow God's word, yet you called all of you "born again" earlier. Confusion! What makes you more born again than them? Why do you think the "born again" who observes Sabbath day as Saturday is following the words of man as against the one who observes Sunday, one says masturbation is not sin and another says it's sin, yet they are both "born again" led by the "spirit". One says women should not preach in churches, the other says women should preach, yet it all comes from the "spirit". Think brocab, think. One fold, One shepherd, One faith, One baptism, one one one! That's the way of our God, not this Chaos in Protestantism.

Wow so couldn't answer any of the questions sincerely but you want to with certainty rule out sinlessness. Nice try

You are confused

KingEbukaNaija:
I dont know why our catholic brethren are holding unto one or two verses and suppressing all other evidences that refute their weak claim . There are overwhelming evidences that utterly destroys that mendacious claim .

They give their own meaning now . How can gate mean some's birth canal ? Italo show face oo and help your brothers

The proof for Mary's sinlessness and perpetual virginity is a book called Protoevangelium of James.These Catholics Satanists are not about to disclose this to you because they know their goose is cooked, so they are left with the Holy Scriptures which not only never support them but work AGAINST them

brocab:
Of course you would go to your defence of claiming, I think I am better then any other born again Christians, I am a believer, like any other.
Like always you Catholic's have lined me up' what other born again's say and do.
You seem to believe when one protestant is out of line-the rest follow. We could say that about the Catholic Church, "couldn't we.
Why don't you open up your own eye's, and start seeing for yourself, the changers that's happening inside all churches, men of corrupt minds destitute of the truth-who suppose the godliness is a source to financial gain.
The net's covered with stories-pick and choose Yes I have found fault even in the pentecostal Churches. Preachers preaching against the word of God-worshipping the cash-more then God. The bible say's you can't worship Mammon and God at the same time, you will either hate the one and love the other. By their fruits you will know them. From such withdraw yourselves.
But of course I have listened to the Catholic's, this sort of behaviour doesn't happen inside your Church-as you believe your Church is the perfect Church, you seem to only find the faults with other protestants, but you can't seem to find fault within.
Hypocrite, first pull the plank out of your own eye, before you pull the plank out of your brothers eye.
As you say, your teaching are the teachings of the Holy Catholic Church, Does this make you a superhero-teaching others another doctrine which is against the word of God. You already know the truth, and you know its wrong to teach. not the truth, you are ignoring the facts about Christ Himself, As we all know the net' around the world, are showing facts about the hidden truths, the in's and out's of other religions and why? Lets watch this video live and see the other doctrine that's preached within the Catholic Church, and lets experience together who they truly worship, instead of the God we all know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcpVrtv2t-M
Is it right for you to worship another? No" theirs only One God-One Lord and One Holy Spirit. No Mary.

I keep asking you to think, but obviously you're not gonna do that. Protestantism started in the 16th Century, around 1507 actually. By then, Christianity has been on earth for about one thousand five hundred years. Spread by Catholics throughout the earth, at a time, Catholics who honored Mary,worked hard and compiled a bible to help the Catholic Church teach one faith, one Lord and one baptism. From the time the Catholic church canonized (authenticated as scripture) these set of books (out of the many being used in various places) to the time of the Protestant revolt, was about one thousand two hundred years. Through out these years, the Catholic Church nurtured by her mother, the ever blessed virgin Mary, preached the gospel to all nations Mk.16:15, baptized peoples Matt.28:19,laid their lives down for Christ Phill.1:21, and God showing his presence, wrought numerous miracles through them Acts.5:12. For one thousand five hundred years the Catholic Church withstood the gates of hell, till it was "end time" when the Protestantism dragon appeared, to cast a third of the "stars" down Rev.12:4.. Now Cast down stars are telling the rest up the skies that earth is better. Think brocab, think. God bless you as you do.

brocab:
You call yourself a Christian, and you are asking me how to teach?
Once you work out which doctrine you truly believe in-then you will know how to preach which doctrine clearly.
Revelation 3:15 "I know your deeds; you are neither cold or hot, how I wish you were one or the other.
You have showing us the evidence, time and time out, the Catholic Church is lukewarm-it is the Church who follows after another doctrine, mixing your doctrine with the doctrine of Christ.

Fair enough,

You cannot teach what you know but you want to teach church doctrines that you know nothing about.

Syncan:
I keep asking you to think, but obviously you're not gonna do that. Protestantism started in the 16th Century, around 1507 actually. By then, Christianity has been on earth for about one thousand five hundred years. Spread by Catholics throughout the earth, [size=1pt]at a time, Catholics who honored Mary,worked hard and compiled a bible to help the Catholic Church teach one faith, one Lord and one baptism. From the time the Catholic church canonized (authenticated as scripture) these set of books (out of the many being used in various places) to the time of the Protestant revolt, was about one thousand two hundred years. Through out these years, the Catholic Church nurtured by her mother, the ever blessed virgin Mary, preached the gospel to all nations Mk.16:15, baptized peoples Matt.28:19,laid their lives down for Christ Phill.1:21, and God showing his presence, wrought numerous miracles through them Acts.5:12. For one thousand five hundred years the Catholic Church withstood the gates of hell, till it was "end time" when the Protestantism dragon appeared, to cast a third of the "stars" down Rev.12:4.. Now Cast down stars are telling the rest up the skies that earth is better. Think brocab, think. God bless you as you do[/size].

Why do Catholics Satanists imagine any faith on earth before reformation was Catholicism? No different from Muslims who flap gums about Jesus, Moses being Muslims

How can anyone think-the way you think-the Catholic Church has very little to do with Christ, nor Peter in this matter. As counted we do have two different Peter's.
As the scriptures tell us in word Matthew 8:14 "When Jesus came into Peter's house, He saw Peter's mother in law lying in bed with a fever. So the disciple Peter we know" had a wife. Was she' even mentioned, in your doctrines? I suppose not. And she would have played a big part in Peter's life, back then.
Listen I am not Catholic, plus I couldn't preach your doctrine if I were, deep down, not only would I be lying to myself, but I will be lying to the world. Christ is not mocked.
The Catholic Church started of paganism, and still' on this day-you are still bowing down to these same idols, on the video the Church sings to Lucifer, as their god
dmandy has already informed me with this Quote>She/he worships the Mary that's written in the bible, she/he is' one of yours, and with him/her kind heart either way spoke the truth. Is he/she right.
You have laid your foundations down under the banner of {brick and mortar} the Catholic Church, Not the people Church the disciples had led for Christ. You are baptised under that same banner of the Catholic Church.
Mark 16:15 "Go into the world and preach the gospel to every creature. Meaning go out and preach the truth about Christ. It doesn't say we must preach another doctrine, the doctrine of Mary-and the rosary's.
Did you watch your video, or did you ignore it? Still trying to convince the world-that this isn't happening within the Catholic Church.
Matthew 28:19 "This scripture say's baptise them with the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit.
But you are baptising babies who have no understanding what this verse is about.
Phil 1:12 "Laying down your life for Christ is one thing-but laying down your lives for Mary is another.
Acts 5:12 "And through the hands of the apostles many signs and wonders were done among the people. And they all with one accord in Soloman's porch. Meaning they all believed God is real.
It shows your not listening-you didn't watch the video-of course-you don't believe the churches have shifted slightly backwards, falling into the darkest moments of this age.
Ephesians 6:12 "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood-but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the power of the dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

Syncan:
I keep asking you to think, but obviously you're not gonna do that. Protestantism started in the 16th Century, around 1507 actually. By then, Christianity has been on earth for about one thousand five hundred years. Spread by Catholics throughout the earth, at a time, Catholics who honored Mary,worked hard and compiled a bible to help the Catholic Church teach one faith, one Lord and one baptism. From the time the Catholic church canonized (authenticated as scripture) these set of books (out of the many being used in various places) to the time of the Protestant revolt, was about one thousand two hundred years. Through out these years, the Catholic Church nurtured by her mother, the ever blessed virgin Mary, preached the gospel to all nations Mk.16:15, baptized peoples Matt.28:19,laid their lives down for Christ Phill.1:21, and God showing his presence, wrought numerous miracles through them Acts.5:12. For one thousand five hundred years the Catholic Church withstood the gates of hell, till it was "end time" when the Protestantism dragon appeared, to cast a third of the "stars" down Rev.12:4.. Now Cast down stars are telling the rest up the skies that earth is better. Think brocab, think. God bless you as you do.

KingEbukaNaija:
Hullop Hullop

1. Jesus is a member of the Godhead and not of Joseph's seed .

2. He came forth from the same womb as Jesus . So yes they are brothers in the common sense of it , overlooking the spiritual nitty-gritty of this matter .

3. Well they are martyrs . And Paul wrote about marriage possibly from his experience as a married man so ... I cant say . I haven't even thought of it till now

4. I dont see a difference .

Apparently there is very little evidence of your claim of the perpetual virginity of Mary . Oh do you wish to school me on that ? I'm all eyes

Great,

I actually wanted to know if you believe what you wrote up there, but you don't.

As a proof that Jesus had other siblings you wrote "Matthew 13:55 : Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers, James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?" Now, you say that Jesus is not the son of a carpenter, does it not contradict your claim? Again, for yet another proof you added "Gal. 1:19, "But I did not see any other of the apostles except James, the Lord's brother." Here, you are very sure that the apostle James is a biological son of Mary and at the same time an apostle of Jesus. If you are so sure, no problem.

Going further, to answer a question about whether all the apostles were married you inferred in " Cor. 9:4-5, "Do we not have a right to eat and drink? Do we not have a right to take along a believing wife, even as the rest of the apostles, and the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?", you said

KingEbukaNaija: Well they are martyrs . And Paul wrote about marriage possibly from his experience as a married man so ... I cant say . I haven't even thought of it till now

They are martyrs, you say, I don't have any evidence to doubt you. Glad you are honest enough to say that you can't say. Now, if Paul must have experience in marriage before teaching about it, what experience should he then have before teaching about death and heaven?

Lastly, you agree that there is no difference in saying Mary was simply used by God to bring forth his son and God brought Jesus into the world through Mary? Which means that the latter is as true as the former.

I didn't remember talking to you about perpetual virginity or lack of it, but since you are all eyes, maybe we can take it from the above two statements which you concur with. You agree that Jesus came from heaven to us through Mary, in other words, one can say figuratively that Jesus passed from heaven to earth through a gate. If you believe St Paul's writing any bit, you will also agree that the old testament is a preparatory stage for the new testament. I will stop here for now. Let me know if you agree with the above or not. Please don't fail to add your own opinion on the subject.

Your Church doctrines has little back bone-but the truth of Christ still stands.

dmandy:
Fair enough,

You cannot teach what you know but you want to teach church doctrines that you know nothing about.

brocab:
How can anyone think-the way you think-the Catholic Church has very little to do with Christ, nor Peter in this matter. As counted we do have two different Peter's.
As the scriptures tell us in word Matthew 8:14 "When Jesus came into Peter's house, He saw Peter's mother in law lying in bed with a fever. So the disciple Peter we know" had a wife. Was she' even mentioned, in your doctrines? I suppose not. And she would have played a big part in Peter's life, back then.
Listen I am not Catholic, plus I couldn't preach your doctrine if I were, deep down, not only would I be lying to myself, but I will be lying to the world. Christ is not mocked.
The Catholic Church started of paganism, and still' on this day-you are still bowing down to these same idols, the Church Sings to Lucifer, as the Church god
dmandy has already informed me with this Quote>She/he worships the Mary that's written in the bible, she/he is' one of yours, and with him/her kind heart either way spoke the truth. Is he/she right.
You have laid your foundations down under the banner of {brick and mortar} the Catholic Church, Not the people Church the disciples had led for Christ. You are baptised under that same banner of the Catholic Church.
Mark 16:15 "Go into the world and preach the gospel to every creature. Meaning go out and preach the truth about Christ. It doesn't say we must preach another doctrine, the doctrine of Mary-and the rosary's.
Did you watch your video, or did you ignore it? Still trying to convince the world-that this isn't happening within the Catholic Church.
Matthew 28:19 "This scripture say's baptise them with the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit.
But you are baptising babies who no understanding what this verse is about.
Phil 1:12 "Laying down your life for Christ is one thing-but laying down your lives for Mary is another.
Acts 5:12 "And through the hands of the apostles many signs and wonders were done among the people. And they all with one accord in Soloman's porch. Meaning they all believed God is real.
It shows your not listening-you didn't watch the video-of course-you don't believe the churches have shifted slightly backwards, falling into the darkest moments of this age.
Ephesians 6:12 "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood-but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the power of the dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

Could you please explain what you mean by St. Peter's wife not being mentioned in the church's doctrine?

brocab:
Your Church doctrines has little back bone-but the truth of Christ still stands.

The Chief church's doctrine is the bible and every other is based on it. Every teaching of the Church is based on the scriptures. If you don't know you ask. The bible is the backbone of the church doctrines.

Show me where she was mention in your doctrines-did she receive a warm welcome the same as Peter.

dmandy:
Could you please explain what you mean by St. Peter's wife not being mentioned in the church's doctrine?

But the church preaches two different doctrines which one are you preferring to?

dmandy:
The Chief church's doctrine is the bible and every other is based on it. Every teaching of the Church is based on the scriptures. If you don't know you ask. The bible is the backbone of the church doctrines.

brocab:
Show me where she was mention in your doctrines-did she receive a warm welcome the same as Peter.

Lolx

No she received cold welcome.

brocab:
So your saying the Catholic Church is the back bone to Christ?

Read the post you quoted with comprehension... I said that the bible is the backbone of the Church's doctrine not the other way round.

brocab:
But the church preaches two different doctrines which one are you preferring to?

I don't know of the two different doctrines. Can you show a brother please?

Of course-she wasn't mentioned-this is why we have two different opinions about which Peter you are preferring too.
The disciple Peter was married, and she did play a big part in Peter's life back then. Like most wife's do today.
But the Peter you have wasn't married and he didn't have the presser to even be married.

dmandy:
Lolx

No she received cold welcome.

The doctrine of Mary and the rosary's and the doctrine of Christ, which one do you preach?

dmandy:
I don't know of the two different doctrines. Can you show a brother please?

brocab:
Of course-she wasn't mentioned-this is why we have two different opinions about which Peter you are preferring too.
The disciple Peter was married, and she did play a big part in Peter's life back then. Like most wife's do today.
But the Peter you have wasn't married and he didn't have the pressers to even be married.

Say what you are sure of Sir,

St Peter was married and the church has not taught you nor anybody otherwise.

brocab:
The doctrine of Mary and the rosary's and the doctrine of Christ, which one do you preach?

Lolx,

We preach the doctrine of Christ Sir,

You cannot change the bible sir, no matter how hard you try. Christ thought it wise to include the doctrine of Mary in his doctrine. You see there are no two doctrines but one from which all the others take root.

Ho yes it has? So if Peter was married, what was his wife's duties within the church-you have already mention she didn't receive a warm welcome.
Question did Nero murder her-with her husband Peter?
Are they buried together-has the church got any records on their children? Were they' murdered with their father and Mother.

dmandy:
Say what you are sure of Sir,

St Peter was married and the church has not taught you nor anybody otherwise.

Could you explain to me, where in the bible has Christ told us to worship Mary-as you have Quoted in one of your post.

dmandy:
Lolx,

We preach the doctrine of Christ Sir,

You cannot change the bible sir, no matter how hard you try. Christ thought it wise to include the doctrine of Mary in his doctrine. You see there are no two doctrines but one from which all the others take root.

brocab:
Ho yes it has? So if Peter was married, what was his wife's duties within the church-you have already mention she didn't receive a warm welcome.
Question did Nero murder her-with her husband Peter?
Are they buried together-has the church got any records on their children? Were they' murdered with their father and Mother.

You will have to tell me about that, I only pointed out to you that the church teaches that Peter was married which is contrary to what was in your post.

brocab:
Could you explain to me, where in the bible has Christ told us to worship Mary-as you have Quoted in one of your post.

I will explain to you sir, but I would love you to tell me what you understand by the word 'worship', maybe we can take it from there.

This is your Quote.

dmandy:
I worship the Mary that the bible told me to worship.

Mary is much more alive than you.

brocab:
This is your Quote

I haven't denied saying this Sir. I will repeat it again and again.

Now, I want to find out how well we understand the term 'worship' before we can explain any further.