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Worship is a means of falling down or bowing down

dmandy:
I haven't denied saying this Sir. I will repeat it again and again.

Now, I want to find out how well we understand the term 'worship' before we can explain any further.

brocab:
Worship is a means of falling down or bowing down

You are done?

Thank you.

dmandy:
You are done?

brocab:
Thank you.

Okay, any time one falls down or bows down he or she is worshipping. That's all?

Well this folk below is worshipping, (he is both falling down and bowing down) so double worship. what do you say about it? And who is he worshipping?

We all should Worship Christ everyday.
Exodus 20:4 " You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven-{Is Mary in heaven} above or on the earth, nor under the earth. You have made Mary in an image above.
Jesus wanted us to worship Him, and Him only you shall serve.
You should forget about falling down or bowing down to Mary-she is blessed having that opportunity to retrieve a Son from the Father. She is blessed being the Mother of Christ-but in bible terms she had done her job-and now we all need to worship after Jesus in our hearts.

dmandy:
You are done?

brocab:
We all should Worship Christ everyday.
Exodus 20:4 " You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven-{Is Mary in heaven} above or on the earth, nor under the earth. You have Mary in an image above.
Jesus wanted us to worship Him, and Him only you shall serve.
You should forget about falling down or bowing down to Mary-she is blessed having that opportunity to retrieve a Son from the Father. She is blessed being the Mother of Christ-but in bible terms she had done her job-and now we all need to worship after Jesus in our hearts.

Him alone shall we 'serve', another term you have brought in. If I 'serve' any other, have I sinned?

He isn't worshipping God-but any man who worships another man is turning himself away from God.
These are men and women not statues-I don't know them, but what I do know, king-Queen of what country? Its people that make these people what they are-but it's God who made only One King and one Lord- Jesus Christ.

dmandy:
Okay, any time one falls down or bows down he or she is worshipping. That's all?

Well this folk below is worshipping, (he is both falling down and bowing down) so double worship. what do you say about it? And who is he worshipping?

brocab:
He isn't worshipping God-but any man who worships another man is turning himself away from God.
These are men and women not statues-I don't know them, but what I do know, king-Queen of what country? Its people that make these people what they are-but it's God who made only One King and one Lord- Jesus Christ.

You are confusing yourself. Now take it one step at a time...

(1) The man in the pix is bowing down and falling down (Yes or No)
(2) If yes, then he is worshipping according to your definition.
(3) Who is he worshipping?

Yes' if you worship another.
Luke 4:8 "Jesus answered and said, unto him get behind Me Satan, for it is written, You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve.

dmandy:
Him alone shall we 'serve', another term you have brought in. If I 'serve' any other, have I sinned?

Both, You tell me

dmandy:
You are confusing yourself. Now take it one step at a time...

(1) The man in the pix is bowing down and falling down (Yes or No)
(2) If yes, then he is worshipping according to your definition.
(3) Who is he worshipping?

brocab:
Yes' if you worship another.
Luke 4:8 "Jesus answered and said, unto him get behind Me Satan, for it is written, You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve.

If I serve my employer diligently, I have sinned right?

vooks:
Why do Catholics Satanists imagine any faith on earth before reformation was Catholicism? No different from Muslims who flap gums about Jesus, Moses being Muslims

U may provide proof to the contrary, if not taje ur own advice and zip it.

brocab:
Both, You tell me

Both as in he is yes, falling down and at the same time no, he is not falling down? Is that what you mean?

brocab:
Worship is a means of falling down or bowing down

I just had to laugh.

Ubenedictus:
I just had to laugh.

What's funny? Is he not correct, If you fall down from your chair while laughing, are you not worshipping?

dmandy:
Okay, any time one falls down or bows down he or she is worshipping. That's all?

Well this folk below is worshipping, (he is both falling down and bowing down) so double worship. what do you say about it? And who is he worshipping?

hmmm

Serving customers-as a waiter, or a bar personal, isn't the same as worship those you serve-bowing down, or falling down, kissing statues-praying the rosary's, is what God had said, not to do, in the 10 commandments.
You are getting yourself confused, you are twisting the word of God, again. You Catholic's will try anything to defuse what the word of God said.

dmandy:
Him alone shall we 'serve', another term you have brought in. If I 'serve' any other, have I sinned?

brocab:
Serving customers-as a waiter, or a bar personal, isn't the same as worship those you serve-bowing down, or falling down, kissing statues-praying the rosary's, is what God had said, not to do, in the 10 commandments.
You are getting yourself confused, you are twisting the word of God, again. You Catholic's will try anything to defuse what the word of God said.

I have not twisted anything sir,

I wanted to find out whether it was possible for someone to serve any other person other than Jesus without sinning? Are you saying it is possible?

Well laugh harder, this is what bible worship means, you either fall down or bow down. Honour, adore, praise, Glorify, as the Catholic's have put it, In the name of Mary.

Ubenedictus:
I just had to laugh.

Serving in what way?

dmandy:
I have not twisted anything sir,

I wanted to find out whether it was possible for someone to serve any other person other than Jesus without sinning? Are you saying it is possible?

He bowed down-then he continua-led to lay down, which is another term saying he fell down

dmandy:
Both as in he is yes, falling down and at the same time no, he is not falling down? Is that what you mean?

brocab:
Serving in what way?

I don't know, your post didn't specify.

I love it when things are kept simple. Are you saying that there are different ways of serving? Can you throw more light.

brocab:
He bowed down-then he continua-led to lay down, which is another term saying he fell down

Okay, which means he is worshipping. Right?

brocab:
Well laugh harder, this is what bible worship means, you either fall down or bow down. Honour, adore, praise, Glorify, as the Catholic's have put it, In the name of Mary.

You love to complicate issues

You said worship simply means bowing and falling down. I even asked if you were done and you answered me 'thank you'. Now you are here with a litany of activities "Honour, adore, praise, Glorify". Learn to make things simple. It helps.

According to your post,

If I bow down to God, I worship God, If I bow to Mary, I worship Mary, If I bow to my audience in a theatre hall, I worship my audience? Yes / No

If I honor God, I worship, If I honor Mary I worship Mary, and If I honor my Father, I worship my father. Yes / No etc.

Have I inferred correctly from your post? Don't fail to point out where I erred o

Ubenedictus:
U may provide proof to the contrary, if not taje ur own advice and zip it.

Negro, as usual, it is you to back your claims.

Jesus was a Catholic

vooks:
Was Mary sinless?


Where is proof of Mary's perpetual Virginity? If Syncan,Ubenedictus,dmandy and all other Satanist ret@rds have not adduced ANY evidence to this effect, when will you bring it?

Are you a m0ron?
We are discussing proof for Mary's perpetual virginity and the ONLY evidence you have are others who thought or taught thus?

Which scriptures have you quoted teaching Mary's perpetual virginity because I missed it?

When u've gat ur charity back mention me, till then keep off my mention.

Ubenedictus:
When u've gat ur charity back mention me, till then keep off my mention.

When you evolve a brain, come debate, else vamooz out of my sight

dmandy:
Great,

I actually wanted to know if you believe what you wrote up there, but you don't.

As a proof that Jesus had other siblings you wrote "Matthew 13:55 : Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers, James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?" Now, you say that Jesus is not the son of a carpenter, does it not contradict your claim? Again, for yet another proof you added "Gal. 1:19, "But I did not see any other of the apostles except James, the Lord's brother." Here, you are very sure that the apostle James is a biological son of Mary and at the same time an apostle of Jesus. If you are so sure, no problem.

Going further, to answer a question about whether all the apostles were married you inferred in " Cor. 9:4-5, "Do we not have a right to eat and drink? Do we not have a right to take along a believing wife, even as the rest of the apostles, and the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?", you said They are martyrs, you say, I don't have any evidence to doubt you. Glad you are honest enough to say that you can't say. Now, if Paul must have experience in marriage before teaching about it, what experience should he then have before teaching about death and heaven?

Lastly, you agree that there is no difference in saying Mary was simply used by God to bring forth his son and God brought Jesus into the world through Mary? Which means that the latter is as true as the former.

I didn't remember talking to you about perpetual virginity or lack of it, but since you are all eyes, maybe we can take it from the above two statements which you concur with. You agree that Jesus came from heaven to us through Mary, in other words, one can say figuratively that Jesus passed from heaven to earth through a gate. If you believe St Paul's writing any bit, you will also agree that the old testament is a preparatory stage for the new testament. I will stop here for now. Let me know if you agree with the above or not. Please don't fail to add your own opinion on the subject.

Lol .

I'm not sure if this is a rebuttal .

Roll with me bro .

Jesus is not of Joseph's seed but a member of the Godhead . Jesus came out from Mary's womb , same with his brothers . And if they are of the same mother then they are are half-brothers .

Teachings about heaven and hell were also from Jesus Christ which were also passed through his disciples . And yes his teachings about marriage could also be a ministration from the Holy Spirit but dont rule out a factual certainty that He could be a married man .

Please its obvious the gates were literal and not figurative . Am not sure why the bible would choose to describe a woman's private part figuratively . Its utter balderdash to clutch unto that verse to substantiate the Mary's perpetual virginity claim .

I repeat as sir vooks had said / have been saying , claims of Mary's perpetual virginity are unbiblical and baseless

Care to explain why you chose to overlook biblical verses that refute the perpetual virginity of Mary ?

KingEbukaNaija:
Lol .

I'm not sure if this is a rebuttal .

Roll with me bro .

Jesus is not of Joseph's seed but a member of the Godhead . Jesus came out from Mary's womb , same with his brothers . And if they are of the same mother then they are are half-brothers .

Teachings about heaven and hell were also from Jesus Christ which were also passed through his disciples . And yes his teachings about marriage could also be a ministration from the Holy Spirit but dont rule out a factual certainty that He could be a married man .

Please its obvious the gates were literal and not figurative . Am not sure why the bible would choose to describe a woman's private part figuratively . Its utter balderdash to clutch unto that verse to substantiate the Mary's perpetual virginity claim .

I repeat as sir vooks had said / have been saying , claims of Mary's perpetual virginity are unbiblical and baseless

Care to explain why you chose to overlook biblical verses that refute the perpetual virginity of Mary ?

Thanks so much for the invitation and for keeping it civil, bro. I will sure roll with you.


Jesus is not Joseph seed, great. Now is it not the same passage that told you that Jesus had biological brothers that also said Jesus is a son of a carpenter? Do you choose to believe one and leave the other? Well, teaching about heaven and hell were passed from Jesus, yes. What about teachings on marriage? I used to think Jesus taught about marriage. Don't you think so? Am I ruling out the possibility (you called it factual certainty, with possibility attached) that he could be married? Are you ruling out the possibility that he could not be married? Bro, there are at least two sides to every possibilities. By the way St. paul said he was not married.


No Sir, its not obvious that the gates were literal. Go back to that passage, that was a vision, the temple didn't exist anywhere... actually that vision like most was symbolic and never literal. Btw, I doubt if we have discussed anything about any woman's private part here, or have we?

I am yet to see the passage that refutes perpetual virginity, if you bring up any, I will agree with you.

dmandy:
Thanks so much for the invitation and for keeping it civil, bro. I will sure roll with you.

cool

Jesus is not Joseph seed, great. Now is it not the same passage that told you that Jesus had biological brothers that also said Jesus is a son of a carpenter?

Calm down bro .

Mary and Joseph were married and Mary begot Jesus - her first born . The Jews possibly knew of Mary's betrothal and marriage to the carpenter , Joseph and since Mary bore unto Joseph a son , its understandable why they called him the son of the carpenter . They did not know that Christ's conception was not biological . They also clearly knew that this Jesus of a guy had brothers who came forth from the Mary's womb .

With this understanding , the verse below KILLS this argument :

Matthew 13:55
55 Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?

Makes sense right ?

Do you choose to believe one and leave the other? Well, teaching about heaven and hell were passed from Jesus, yes. What about teachings on marriage? I used to think Jesus taught about marriage. Don't you think so? Am I ruling out the possibility (you called it factual certainty, with possibility attached) that he could be married? Are you ruling out the possibility that he could not be married? Bro, there are at least two sides to every possibilities. By the way St. paul said he was not married.

Hullop ! There are speculations that he could have been a widower - a quick research I made confirmed this . And the bible wasn't clear enough about his marital status

No Sir, its not obvious that the gates were literal. Go back to that passage, that was a vision, the temple didn't exist anywhere... actually that vision like most was symbolic and never literal. Btw, I doubt if we have discussed anything about any woman's private part here, or have we?

Mary as a person is the gate ?

[s]I am yet to see the passage that refutes perpetual virginity,..[/s].

I have chosen to overlook the PASSAGES that refute the perpetual virginity of Mary - more like it !

KingEbukaNaija:
cool




Calm down bro .

Mary and Joseph were married and Mary begot Jesus - her first born . The Jews possibly knew of Mary's betrothal and marriage to the carpenter , Joseph and since Mary bore unto Joseph a son , its understandable why they called him the son of the carpenter . They did not know that Christ's conception was not biological . They also clearly knew that this Jesus of a guy had brothers who came forth from the Mary's womb .

With this understanding , the verse below KILLS this argument :

Matthew 13:55
55 Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?

Makes sense right ?




Hullop ! There are speculations that he could have been a widower - a quick research I made confirmed this . And the bible wasn't clear enough about his marital status




Mary as a person is the gate ?



I have chosen to overlook the PASSAGES that refute the perpetual virginity of Mary - more like it !

Lolx I just drank cool water now to cool down.

I love your judicious use of 'possibly'. In that line, your conclusion should read 'the Jews possibly did not know that the conception of Jesus was not biological' Don't u think so?

The speculations about Paul being a widower, where are they coming from? the bible?

Yes, Mary as a person is d gate and it makes sence since the lord passed through her from heaven to earth.

I think a more honorable thing to do is bring up the passage that upholds your claims.

dmandy:
Lolx I just drank cool water now to cool down.

good one there

I love your judicious use of 'possibly'. In that line, your conclusion should read 'the Jews possibly did not know that the conception of Jesus was not biological' Don't u think so?

Lol . Whether they knew or not does not count actually . They knew that Mary had sons - Jesus , Judas , Simon etc

The speculations about Paul being a widower, where are they coming from? the bible?

1 Corinthians 9:5 and 1 Corinthians 7:1-7 . It can be deduced tho

Yes, Mary as a person is d gate and it makes sence since the lord passed through her from heaven to earth.

Asserting that Mary is the gate makes no sense , you have to prove it . You are the one making the claim with just one verse of the bible

I think a more honorable thing to do is bring up the passage that upholds your claims.

Matthew 1:24-25, "And Joseph arose from his sleep, and did as the angel of the Lord commanded him, and took as his wife, and kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son; and he called His name Jesus."

Matthew 13:55 : Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers, James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?"

Matthew 12:46-47: "While He was still speaking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers were standing outside, seeking to speak to Him. And someone said to Him, "Behold, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside seeking to speak to You."

Mark 6:2-3, "And when the Sabbath had come, He began to teach in the synagogue; and the many listeners were astonished, saying, "Where did this man get these things, and what is this wisdom given to Him, and such miracles as these performed by His hands? "Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James, and Joses, and Judas, and Simon? Are not His sisters here with us?"

Acts 1:14, "These all with one mind were continually devoting themselves to prayer, along with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with His brothers."

1 Cor. 9:4-5, "Do we not have a right to eat and drink? Do we not have a right to take along a believing wife, even as the rest of the apostles, and the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?"

Gal. 1:19, "But I did not see any other of the apostles except James, the Lord's brother."

John 2:12 "After this He went down to Capernaum, He and His mother, and His brothers, and His disciples; and there they stayed a few days."

Acts 1 : 14 makes it so clear and undeniable . Lol ... I am not making any claim ... you are !!!