dmandy:


Thanks so much for the invitation and for keeping it civil, bro. I will sure roll with you.


Jesus is not Joseph seed, great. Now is it not the same passage that told you that Jesus had biological brothers that also said Jesus is a son of a carpenter? Do you choose to believe one and leave the other?

Scriptures are mighty clear that concerning Jesus, Joseph was THOUGHT to be his father. That the Inspired hand goes to this extent to clarify it for Jesus and not for any of his brothers is strong evidence the rest were Joseph and Mary's children. Blood children that is

Luke 3:23 (KJV)
And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,

Secondly, Jesus had biological siblings in EVERY sense of the word for if your mother had a child by another than your father, would that not be your sibling?

So there is no inconsistency in KingEbukaNaija as you are trying to insinuate.

Well, teaching about heaven and hell were passed from Jesus, yes. What about teachings on marriage? I used to think Jesus taught about marriage. Don't you think so? Am I ruling out the possibility (you called it factual certainty, with possibility attached) that he could be married? Are you ruling out the possibility that he could not be married? Bro, there are at least two sides to every possibilities. By the way St. paul said he was not married.

Paul was single at some point, whether he was married before or not is unclear. His single hood may have been borne out of bereavement or just he was never married.

No Sir, its not obvious that the gates were literal. Go back to that passage, that was a vision, the temple didn't exist anywhere... actually that vision like most was symbolic and never literal. Btw, I doubt if we have discussed anything about any woman's private part here, or have we?

The fact that Ezekiel saw the temple in a dream is not what makes the gate literal or symbolic; what determines this is the context of the vision. Ezekiel saw elaborate design, he was given the temple's blueprints complete with restoration of the Levitical priesthood.

If the East gate represents a woman, the Northern and Southern gates would EQUALLY represent a human. This is proven by the New Jerusalem John sees in Revelation where each gate represents each of the 12 tribes of Israel. Besides, all gates serve the same purpose in Ezekiel's vision namely conveying worshippers into and out of the temple. The East is shut AFTER the Lord goes through it. Remember this is FUTURISTIC as the temple was yet to be constructed. It tells you all the gates remained open UNTIL the Lord went through the East one which was shut. But this is a minor point.

Back to the three gates. Whatever you make of one you MUST make of the rest

I am yet to see the passage that refutes perpetual virginity, if you bring up any, I will agree with you.

Don't attempt to shift the burden of proof on us. It is Catholicism Satanism that makes Perpetual Virginity claims. Any Protestant is INDIFFERENT to Mary's virginity AFTER Jesus. We simply follow common sense thus;
1. We are told Joseph never touched her until Jesus was born. To this you may claim that UNTIL does not necessarily qualify the continuity of an activity which in this case is Joseph's abstinence. But if Joseph never knew Mary and the author knew this, was there a better time to indicate this than here? And if indeed Joseph never touched Mary, what's the point of this qualifier?

2. Jesus had other siblings and this was commonly known to those who knew him. These are called his brothers and sisters

3. Joseph married and stayed with Mary at least until Jesus was 12. Why would he go without knowing her yet he married her?

4. Such crucial doctrine as perpetual virginity is totally absent from the scriptures

5. Perpetual Virginity myth is wholly redundant to the gospel for what purpose would continuous virginity post Jesus' birth serve?

All these strongly point us away from the perpetual virginity myth.
As they say, Extraordinary Claims demand Extraordinary Evidence. It is Catholicism Satanism claims that MUST give us evidence. If their best evidence is Ezekiel 44:1-2 , this is circular reasoning as we have seen, not to mention illogical.

Perpetual Virginity is one of those idiosyncrasies of cults. They will oft times cling to doctrines for the sake of it when it's clear such are not central to their core teachings. The most likely reason is because it is 'too late' to discard such without other unintended consequences such as casting aspersions on their infallibility claims.

Cc KingEbukaNaija,Syncan,ichiato,italo,ubenedictus

KingEbukaNaija:


good one there



Lol . Whether they knew or not does not count actually . They knew that Mary had sons - Jesus , Judas , Simon etc



1 Corinthians 9:5 and 1 Corinthians 7:1-7 . It can be deduced tho



Asserting that Mary is the gate makes no sense , you have to prove it . You are the one making the claim with just one verse of the bible



Matthew 1:24-25, "And Joseph arose from his sleep, and did as the angel of the Lord commanded him, and took as his wife, and kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son; and he called His name Jesus."

Matthew 13:55 : Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers, James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?"

Matthew 12:46-47: "While He was still speaking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers were standing outside, seeking to speak to Him. And someone said to Him, "Behold, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside seeking to speak to You."

Mark 6:2-3, "And when the Sabbath had come, He began to teach in the synagogue; and the many listeners were astonished, saying, "Where did this man get these things, and what is this wisdom given to Him, and such miracles as these performed by His hands? "Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James, and Joses, and Judas, and Simon? Are not His sisters here with us?"

Acts 1:14, "These all with one mind were continually devoting themselves to prayer, along with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with His brothers."

1 Cor. 9:4-5, "Do we not have a right to eat and drink? Do we not have a right to take along a believing wife, even as the rest of the apostles, and the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?"

Gal. 1:19, "But I did not see any other of the apostles except James, the Lord's brother."

John 2:12 "After this He went down to Capernaum, He and His mother, and His brothers, and His disciples; and there they stayed a few days."

Acts 1 : 14 makes it so clear and undeniable . Lol ... I am not making any claim ... you are !!!

Of course whether they knew or not will not count because it doesn't support your claim. Good.

In the passages u listed paul compared himself to the widows and by extension widowers and singles. What exactly tilts the scale to being widower? Was his wife or in-laws ever mentioned anywhere?


What other prove do you want? Jesus passed through that gate from heaven to earth.

None of these passages actually says Mary had other Children. You only infered that because it talked about Jesus's brothers. Its okay to think Mary actually had other kids based on those passages. But then you will still have to consider other passages to be sure.

Now, do u think Matt 27:56 and mk 15:40 were describing Mary the mother of Jesus?

vooks:

Scriptures are mighty clear that concerning Jesus, Joseph was THOUGHT to be his father. That the Inspired hand goes to this extent to clarify it for Jesus and not for any of his brothers is strong evidence the rest were Joseph and Mary's children. Blood children that is

Luke 3:23 (KJV)
And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,

Secondly, Jesus had biological siblings in EVERY sense of the word for if your mother had a child by another than your father, would that not be your sibling?

So there is no inconsistency in KingEbukaNaija as you are trying to insinuate.


Paul was single at some point, whether he was married before or not is unclear. His single hood may have been borne out of bereavement or just he was never married.

The fact that Ezekiel saw the temple in a dream is not what makes the gate literal or symbolic; what determines this is the context of the vision. Ezekiel saw elaborate design, he was given the temple's blueprints complete with restoration of the Levitical priesthood.

If the East gate represents a woman, the Northern and Southern gates would EQUALLY represent a human. This is proven by the New Jerusalem John sees in Revelation where each gate represents each of the 12 tribes of Israel. Besides, all gates serve the same purpose in Ezekiel's vision namely conveying worshippers into and out of the temple. The East is shut AFTER the Lord goes through it. Remember this is FUTURISTIC as the temple was yet to be constructed. It tells you all the gates remained open UNTIL the Lord went through the East one which was shut. But this is a minor point.

Back to the three gates. Whatever you make of one you MUST make of the rest

Don't attempt to shift the burden of proof on us. It is Catholicism Satanism that makes Perpetual Virginity claims. Any Protestant is INDIFFERENT to Mary's virginity AFTER Jesus. We simply follow common sense thus;
1. We are told Joseph never touched her until Jesus was born. To this you may claim that UNTIL does not necessarily qualify the continuity of an activity which in this case is Joseph's abstinence. But if Joseph never knew Mary and the author knew this, was there a better time to indicate this than here? And if indeed Joseph never touched Mary, what's the point of this qualifier?

2. Jesus had other siblings and this was commonly known to those who knew him. These are called his brothers and sisters

3. Joseph married and stayed with Mary at least until Jesus was 12. Why would he go without knowing her yet he married her?

4. Such crucial doctrine as perpetual virginity is totally absent from the scriptures

5. Perpetual Virginity myth is wholly redundant to the gospel for what purpose would continuous virginity post Jesus' birth serve?

All these strongly point us away from the perpetual virginity myth.
As they say, Extraordinary Claims demand Extraordinary Evidence. It is Catholicism Satanism claims that MUST give us evidence. If their best evidence is Ezekiel 44:1-2 , this is circular reasoning as we have seen, not to mention illogical.

Perpetual Virginity is one of those idiosyncrasies of cults. They will oft times cling to doctrines for the sake of it when it's clear such are not central to their core teachings. The most likely reason is because it is 'too late' to discard such without other unintended consequences such as casting aspersions on their infallibility claims.

Cc KingEbukaNaija,Syncan,ichiato,italo,ubenedictus

@ dmandy . I dont think any elucidation is needed after this wonderfully explained rebuttal and I wonder why dmandy is still obdurate . dmandy , are you scared of losing your Catholic faith ? Cos its more like it . Your evidence in support of the perpetual virginity of Mary gets weaker at every subsequent response you give .

dmandy:


None of these passages actually says Mary had other Children. You only infered that because it talked about Jesus's brothers. Its okay to think Mary actually had other kids based on those passages. But then you will still have to consider other passages to be sure .

Now, do u think Matt 27:56 and mk 15:40 were describing Mary the mother of Jesus?

Matthew 27:56

56 among whom were Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James and Joseph and the mother of the sons of Zebedee.

Mark 15:40

40 There were also women looking on from a distance, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salome

.

The two verses were OBVIOUSLY talking of the same event plus Mary is a common name in Israel . If she were Jesus' mother , both writers who have always identified her clearly as the Lord's mother would have done same .

Are you confused with the truth-it is written you shall worship your God and Him only you shall serve.

dmandy:


You love to complicate issues

You said worship simply means bowing and falling down. I even asked if you were done and you answered me 'thank you'. Now you are here with a litany of activities "Honour, adore, praise, Glorify". Learn to make things simple. It helps.

According to your post,

If I bow down to God, I worship God, If I bow to Mary, I worship Mary, If I bow to my audience in a theatre hall, I worship my audience? Yes / No

If I honor God, I worship, If I honor Mary I worship Mary, and If I honor my Father, I worship my father. Yes / No etc.

Have I inferred correctly from your post? Don't fail to point out where I erred o

You shall worship your God and Him only you shall serve
You have refused to tell me who are those two people sitting on the thrones.
Jesus Christ is the King of kings, and the Church is coming as His wife. Just think she even may have the name Queen of heaven.
Where does that leave Mary?

dmandy:


Okay, which means he is worshipping. Right?

Are you really this dumb?

dmandy:


I don't know, your post didn't specify.

I love it when things are kept simple. Are you saying that there are different ways of serving? Can you throw more light.

Haven't you got enough sense to work out these things for yourself?
Firstly we are talking about worshipping God-in your case Mary, and of course you have taken this matter outside the Church, setting up your own twisted ways, leaving the scriptures behind, only to satisfy your Devilish needs, it shows, you can only follow after the lust that belongs to this world.
From our Christian faith we worship and serve God. Outside the Church Is totally different, serving man and worshipping statues, isn't serving and worshipping God. But of course you are confused between the two.
1 John 2:15 "Do not love the world or anything in the world, If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in them.
You can't tell the differences-between serving and worship? Do you bow down or fall to the ground after a female waiter had served you-do you praise her-glorifying her, kissing her feet?
Or do you keep your worship inside the Church ready to bow down praising and glorifying the Mother of God Mary.
While the waiter is only doing her job, she stays away from stalkers like you.

dmandy:


I have not twisted anything sir,

I wanted to find out whether it was possible for someone to serve any other person other than Jesus without sinning? Are you saying it is possible?

dmandy Quoted>I worship the Mary that's written in the bible. dmandy is telling the truth for all you Catholic's isn't he.
So this is how it works-Quote>dmandy are you scared of losing your Catholic faith? So does this mean, dmandy can lose his Catholic faith-if he don't pull his head in and teach the doctrines of the Catholic Church. Interesting.
This proves your faith isn't about Christ-but the Church it's self.

KingEbukaNaija:


@ dmandy . I dont think any elucidation is needed after this wonderfully explained rebuttal and I wonder why dmandy is still obdurate . dmandy , are you scared of losing your Catholic faith ? Cos its more like it . Your evidence in support of the perpetual virginity of Mary gets weaker at every subsequent response you give .

Which bible are you preferring too the Catholic Bible or the bible in Christ.

dmandy:


Read the post you quoted with comprehension... I said that the bible is the backbone of the Church's doctrine not the other way round.

KingEbukaNaija:


@ dmandy . I dont think any elucidation is needed after this wonderfully explained rebuttal and I wonder why dmandy is still obdurate . dmandy , are you scared of losing your Catholic faith ? Cos its more like it . Your evidence in support of the perpetual virginity of Mary gets weaker at every subsequent response you give .

King,
May I add that Christianity is full of extraordinary claims such as the Virgin Birth, walking on water, feeding thousands with two loaves, raising the dead, forgiveness of sins, promise of resurrection, transfiguration

The difference between these claims and Perpetual Virginity is that all I have mentioned have ample evidence inside the scriptures. The authors clearly not only believed them but they noted them intending to share them with others.

Continuous/perpetual virginity not to mention sinlessness of another barring Jesus Christ verily demands and deserves as much evidence as all these. Unfortunately, there is none whatsoever. This is the reason Catholicism Satanism borrows HEAVILY from the apocrypha for their core doctrines. It is also the reason their authority is derived from scriptures and 'Tradition' or teachings of men.

Once again, I remind all these Catholics Satanists;
1. Virginity is no miracle; virgin conception is the miracle. Mary living a virgin after that is no different from the countless who were born and died virgins
2. Perpetual virginity AFTER Jesus' birth adds no value to the gospel account,
3. Perpetual virginity is defied by the circumstance of Mary; she is married, the author reminds us Joseph kept off her UNTIL Jesus was born, Joseph lived with her at least for 12 years( coming from the age of Jesus when He got lost-Luke 2:42-43)
4. There is zero proof or claims from the scriptures for this
5. Sex among the married is honorable. So Mary having sex after Jesus with her husband is perfectly godly

#5 is important especially given Catholicism Satanism romance(pun) with celibacy. Is sex a distraction from worship?
Topic for another day


PS
I have read elsewhere than Mary is called the Spouse of the Holy Spirit. Catholicism Satanism knows no bounds when it comes to blasphemy. The depths of Satan are deep indeed!


Cc dmandy,italo,ichiato,ubenedictus,brocab,Syncan the high priest

I wish to illustrate the absurdity of these Catholics Satanists' demand for evidence that Mary was not a perpetual virgin.

We all know that to date, there is no evidence of life anywhere else in our galaxy outside our beloved planet Earth. But there has been some earnest search for life in space with special focus on Mars given both its proximity to earth and its similarity to our planet. But even in Mars, there has been no evidence of life.

Supposing a Catholic Satanist claims there is a colony of humans living some 500KM beneath the surface of Mars.
We'd remind him that there has been no evidence of such to date to which they insist that it is only because we haven't looked hard enough and our search has focused on the surface.

When we attempt to convince him that humans can't possibly survive in the subzero temperatures,low gravity,and negligible Oxygen atmosphere of Mars, they are adamant that we MUST dig 500KM into Mars to disprove them, and if we can't disprove them, then they are entitled to their claim!

Question
Should my inability to disprove ridiculous claims be taken as the strongest or even only evidence of these claims?


Reminds me of Donald Rumsfield as the then Defense Secretary. When pressured for evidence of Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq, he infamously quipped that "absence of evidence is no evidence of absence'
But we are not interested in what is not evidence of absence,but in evidence of presence of WMD which is what you claimed


Likewise, we need...no, we demand evidence for the positive claim of Perpetual Virginity.
Absence of this evidence does not mean Mary was not a perpetual virgin, but rather there is no basis for making this claim in the first place

Cc KingEbukaNaija,Ayoku777,ichiato,italo,ubenedictus,dmandy and Syncan the high priest

Christianity is such a confused religion
Everything contradicts itself

brocab:
Which bible are you preferring too the Catholic Bible or the bible in Christ.

I don't know of any two different bibles.

prof2015:
Christianity is such a confused religion
Everything contradicts itself

So it seems, but it is not so. Christianity is not the problem, the people are.

brocab:
Haven't you got enough sense to work out these things for yourself?
Firstly we are talking about worshipping God-in your case Mary, and of course you have taken this matter outside the Church, setting up your own twisted ways, leaving the scriptures behind, only to satisfy your Devilish needs, it shows, you can only follow after the lust that belongs to this world.
From our Christian faith we worship and serve God. Outside the Church Is totally different, serving man and worshipping statues, isn't serving and worshipping God. But of course you are confused between the two.
1 John 2:15 "Do not love the world or anything in the world, If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in them.
You can't tell the differences-between serving and worship? Do you bow down or fall to the ground after a female waiter had served you-do you praise her-glorifying her, kissing her feet?
Or do you keep your worship inside the Church ready to bow down praising and glorifying the Mother of God Mary.
While the waiter is only doing her job, she stays away from stalkers like you.

I haven't seen any reason for all the insults, but I will ignore them.

Your statement @bold is the problem, you think that your life outside the church should be different from your life in the church. I call that hypocrisy.

The waiter is doing her job, she is serving and it is very difficult for to admit that the waiter's job is to serve, and that serving she is.

brocab:
You shall worship your God and Him only you shall serve
You have refused to tell me who are those two people sitting on the thrones.
Jesus Christ is the King of kings, and the Church is coming as His wife. Just think she even may have the name Queen of heaven.
Where does that leave Mary?

As usual you will shy away to tell me what the man in my picture is doing. Life is simple stop making it look complicated. What is that man in picture doing is my question but you will prefer to insult me than answer a simple question, dear Christian.

brocab:
Are you really this dumb?

Dear Christian, why is it easier to pour insults than answer a simple question plainly?

KingEbukaNaija:




Matthew 27:56



Mark 15:40

.

The two verses were OBVIOUSLY talking of the same event plus Mary is a common name in Israel . If she were Jesus' mother , both writers who have always identified her clearly as the Lord's mother would have done same .

Thanks King,

So actually it can be inferred from those passages that Mary (Some women were watching from a distance. Among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joseph, and Salome) is not the mother of Jesus. Can we superimpose this observation with the women listed according to John 19:25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.

Do you think John mentioned this Mary in question?

KingEbukaNaija:


@ dmandy . I dont think any elucidation is needed after this wonderfully explained rebuttal and I wonder why dmandy is still obdurate . dmandy , are you scared of losing your Catholic faith ? Cos its more like it . Your evidence in support of the perpetual virginity of Mary gets weaker at every subsequent response you give .

Rushing from one post to another does not provide evidence against perpetual virginity of Mary. You asked that I roll with you to which I agreed, You ask me questions and I provide answers and I ask you mine. let's focus on one issue and talk it down. It shouldn't be about winning or loosing arguments but saying truth and maintaining it.

We have to really make sure that we are looking at the issue from a common perspective before we can arrive at a common conclusion. I can't be in Sokoto and tell you that the day is too hot and accuse you of lying that the day is cool meanwhile you are Port Harcourt where the whether in cooler.

dmandy:


Rushing from one post to another does not provide evidence against perpetual virginity of Mary. You asked that I roll with you to which I agreed, You ask me questions and I provide answers and I ask you mine. let's focus on one issue and talk it down. It shouldn't be about winning or loosing arguments but saying truth and maintaining it.

What we need is evidence that a woman married for at least 12 years and with children so identified by others as hers was a virgin all along. This in law would amount to circumstantial evidence against this claim. Scriptures tell us that up to the point of Jesus conception and birth she was a virgin.
-We refuse to read between the lines,
-we refuse to assist Holy Spirit with inspiration,
-we refuse to read our ideas onto the text
- we refuse to make dastardly claims and demand other disprove them
- we refuse to take as evidence of our claims their inability to disprove them

We DEMAND that those reciting these mantras and dogmas substantiate them.

Recall nobody has monopoly of ludicrousness; I can also claim that Peter's wife was a perpetual virgin and that Peter himself had two joysticks, and one was thrice as long as the other one.
What stops me? Reverence for the Word of God, and of course a dose of some good old common sense

Cc italo,ichiato,brocab,KingEbukaNaija,Ayoku777,Syncan the high priest

I have already written my answer-and what your problem is you haven't read it.

dmandy:


As usual you will shy away to tell me what the man in my picture is doing. Life is simple stop making it look complicated. What is that man in picture doing is my question but you will prefer to insult me than answer a simple question, dear Christian.

brocab:
I have already written my answer-and what your problem is you haven't read it.

Dear Christian,

Do you mind posting your answer her? The man in the picture is ____________________.

Jesus said To John behold this is your mother-and He said to His mother behold this is your SON.
Jesus was pointing this scripture to John and His Mother Mary.
A disciple said to Jesus, your Mother and your brothers are standing outside wanting to see you, Jesus said who is My Mother, and who is My brothers, these are My Mother and brothers who listen to the word of God, and do it.
Yes Jesus had brothers-as the word say's He did.

dmandy:


Thanks King,

So actually it can be inferred from those passages that Mary (Some women were watching from a distance. Among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joseph, and Salome) is not the mother of Jesus. Can we superimpose this observation with the women listed according to John 19:25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.

Do you think John mentioned this Mary in question?

Who?

dmandy:


Dear Christian,

Do you mind posting your answer her? The man in the picture is ____________________.

vooks:


What we need is evidence that a woman married for at least 12 years and with children so identified by others as hers was a virgin all along. This in law would amount to circumstantial evidence against this claim. Scriptures tell us that up to the point of Jesus conception and birth she was a virgin.
-We refuse to read between the lines,
-we refuse to assist Holy Spirit with inspiration,
-we refuse to read our ideas onto the text
- we refuse to make dastardly claims and demand other disprove them
- we refuse to take as evidence of our claims their inability to disprove them

We DEMAND that those reciting these mantras and dogmas substantiate them.

Recall nobody has monopoly of ludicrousness; I can also claim that Peter's wife was a perpetual virgin and that Peter himself had two joysticks
What stops me? Reference for the Word of God

Cc italo,ichiato,brocab,KingEbukaNaija,Ayoku777,Syncan the high priest

Just go ahead and prove to me that the woman had other children. It's that simple.

brocab:
Who?

The man in the picture below. What is he doing, dear honest Christian?

dmandy:


Just go ahead and prove to me that the woman had other children. It's that simple.

Matthew 12:46-47 (KJV)
While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him. 47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.

Your favorite hobby is failure;
1. You failed to prove that Mary is in heaven from Revelation 12 or anywhere else
2. You failed to prove that Mary had no other children from Ezekiel 44
3. You failed to prove that Mary was sinless

brocab:
Jesus said To John behold this is your mother-and He said to His mother behold this is your SON.
Jesus was pointing this scripture to John and His Mother Mary.
A disciple said to Jesus, your Mother and your brothers are standing outside wanting to see you, Jesus said who is My Mother, and who is My brothers, these are My Mother and brothers who listen to the word of God, and do it.
Yes Jesus had brothers-as the word say's He did.

Dear honest born again Christain,

the question you jumped into to answer is this 'Do you think John mentioned this other Mary (mentioned in Matt and Mark which King Ebuka agreed is not Mary the mother of Jesus) in his account of the crucifixion?'

You should learn to read and understand the question before answering.

vooks:


Matthew 12:46-47 (KJV)
While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him. 47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.

Your favorite hobby is failure;
1. You failed to prove that Mary is in heaven from Revelation 12 or anywhere else
2. You failed to prove that Mary had no other children from Ezekiel 44
3. You failed to prove that Mary was sinless

Lox,

It's you who have failed to disprove any of those.

dmandy:



Lox,

It's you who have failed to disprove any of those.

I have schooled you in logic and reason and nothing has gotten to past your skull?

You make a claim, you prove it. If you can't prove it, you withdraw it

vooks:


I have schooled you in logic and reason and nothing has gotten to past your skull?

You make a claim, you prove it. If you can't prove it, you withdraw it

No you don't school anyone all you do is insult and call people names. When you finally decide to be civil, I have all the time to learn what you have to offer.