₦airaland Forum

tuniski:
no TSA is a lazy brain accounting and doesn't do more than curtailing 1st Line goat eating yams. Corruption takes forms and tackling it must assumed similar forms too.

IsraeliAIRFORCE:
The bone of contention here is not the TSA itself rather who controls the system.

The Legislature and Judiciary are clamouring for an independent agency free from one sided (domineering) influence of the executive to control the system as to ensure and maintain a strong independence for the three organs of democratic governance.

I hope you understand the discourse

TonyeBarcanista:
This TSA may not solve all our needs but it definitely will curtail lots of our corruption issues. Before now nobody knows how NASS spend their monies. With TSA we'll know whether some people have a special ATM or otherwise.

disloman:
You are wrong.They just wanted to use that to cover their initial interest.NASS don't generate revenue and can't dictate how to go about the finances.NASS can't just spend money anyhow.Spending must be checked.If their expenditure is real,Executive won't stop that.The Executive want them to be prudent and accountable.

tuniski:
NASS must be independent and the whole noise about TSA is just a feel good govt redtapism. I wonder what treasury management that is applicable in other climes. Technology driven accounting real time solves many of this analogy application of what is suppose to even over the self templates!

Bevista:
Well said Mr. Dogara.
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On other matters, the current FX policy is the most hypocritical policy yet by this administration. A government that is practically forcing everyone else to stop importing is, however, very comfortable to allocate over $18m (N3.6bn) to import foreign (BMW) cars.

Why not lead by example and patronize locally made Innoson cars. If you have quality and safety concerns there, why not atleast, patronize locally assembled foreign cars like Peugeot, Hyundai, etc.

TonyeBarcanista:
The Independence of NASS is not independence to loot unchallenged. If NASS members have nothing to hide, they won't be fidgeting. If the FG want to strangulate them, they don't even need TSA, all they need is to deny them of funds from the finance ministry. If monies don't get to them, how will they operate?


*Dont tell me they'll impeach the President because the process is technically impossible*

TonyeBarcanista:
The Independence of NASS is not independence to loot unchallenged. If NASS members have nothing to hide, they won't be fidgeting. If the FG want to strangulate them, they don't even need TSA, all they need is to deny them of funds from the finance ministry. If monies don't get to them, how will they operate?


*Dont tell me they'll impeach the President because the process is technically impossible*

tuniski:
exactly, where NASS is technically not independent, TSA furthers strangulate it. Anyway, TSA in the hand of the executive which is the most corrupt arm of govt should be rejected by the other arms!
I wonder who monitors the executive? As it is the application of TSA is lazy and off it.

IsraeliAIRFORCE:
What kind of jaundice (cynic) analysis are you making?

The NASS is more important in a democracy than the so called "the presidency". They were elected by the people and for the people unlike the presidency which can also involve the tyranny of the 50.1%. The members can be recalled by their respective constituencies at any given time for whatever reasons notwithstanding. It is not about the present occupants of leadership posts in NASS rather the institution itself.

They are meant to be independent from the influence of executive in relation to how they discharge their duties. The Legislature should be accountable to the people and not to the Executive.

IsraeliAIRFORCE:
What kind of jaundice (cynic) analysis are you making?

The NASS is more important in a democracy than the so called "the presidency". They were elected by the people and for the people unlike the presidency which can also involve the tyranny of the 50.1%. The members can be recalled by their respective constituencies at any given time for whatever reasons notwithstanding. It is not about the present occupants of leadership posts in NASS rather the institution itself.

They are meant to be independent from the influence of executive in relation to how they discharge their duties. The Legislature should be accountable to the people and not to the Executive.

BALLOSKI:
This is where 'standing-on-the-fence' status maintained by BUHARI during the election of principal officers of NASS was a miscalculation; you can see that these pdp agents in Apc are not in sync with BUHARI on many issues. First , it was purchase of cars, now it's TSA. I hope they don't frustrate his budget and it's implementation.

TonyeBarcanista:
No one is dragging their independence with them. We are only checking their fraud

TonyeBarcanista:
No one is dragging their independence with them. We are only checking their fraud

Oz4realsss:
What is the difference between PDP and APC politicians? Who among them is a saint or not fighting for his or her interest? Kindly name one APC politician that is not corrupt.

IsraeliAIRFORCE:
Are you in support of constitutional democracy or entrenchment of dictatorial democracy?

Executive have no right to exercise a minute control over the oversight functions of the Legislature nor Judicial processes. The TSA manages Federation Accounts which involves the three tiers of government (Fed, States and LGAs) and on Fed side, it involves the three independent organs of government hence the need to clip any unforseen tendency of the executive (not necessarily Buhari) to use finance against Legislature and judiciary in terms of disbursment of funds.

Independence is the keyword. Institutions are needed to function outside the influence of one organ of government hence the point raised by the honorable speaker.

**NB: Sales of NASS assets involves income generation and unspent budget by the NASS is meant to be returned to Federation account

disloman:
Let the truth be told.Democracy won't work in Nigeria.It will take to a stage where we people will ask for the constitution to be suspended.USA got their system right before they started practising democracy.We are just fooling ourselves.Bet it,it will get there.

IsraeliAIRFORCE:
Point of correction there many systems of democratic government that can work for Nigeria. It must not be Federal system.

1. Regional governments worked and can still work.
2. Parliamentary system of government where prime minister becomes the head of government is still a good option. Parties can enter into coalition to form a majority government which can be disbanded when they can no longer fulfil their campaign promises to seek another mandate from the people.

tuniski:
NASS must be independent and the whole noise about TSA is just a feel good govt redtapism. I wonder what treasury management that is applicable in other climes. Technology driven accounting real time solves many of this analog application of what is suppose to be even an over the shelf template!

IsraeliAIRFORCE:
Are you in support of constitutional democracy or entrenchment of dictatorial democracy?

Executive have no right to exercise a minute control over the oversight functions of the Legislature nor Judicial processes. The TSA manages Federation Accounts which involves the three tiers of government (Fed, States and LGAs) and on Fed side, it involves the three independent organs of government hence the need to clip any unforseen tendency of the executive (not necessarily Buhari) to use finance against Legislature and judiciary in terms of disbursment of funds.

Independence is the keyword. Institutions are needed to function outside the influence of one organ of government hence the point raised by the honorable speaker.

**NB: Sales of NASS assets involves income generation and unspent budget by the NASS is meant to be returned to Federation account

HzRF:
What are you saying

NNPC is not even part of it

And the only usefulness of TSA is that all unused money sitting idle in banks are recovered


Most of these agencies steals before coming out with statements of account

Not to talk of surrending the funds to someone already displaying tyranncy, he will just one day tell his image launders nd career praise singers to release statement to the public that the reason NASS is not getting funds is because he has the interest of Nigeria at heart

ND they don't even deserve it

jpphilips:
Are you this dumb? how much does the NASS generate annually while they advocate for "unchecked" expenditure?
How can you have unfettered access to spend what you can not generate? the constitution is clear on who generates and who distributes and so far it lies solely on the executive.

ColeworldMD:
what are you saying Who told you NNPC is not part of TSA. I recently made payment at DPR into TSA which is under NNPC. The essence is that all monies coming into the organization goes straight to TSA unlike before that such payments could have been diverted to private pockets & then come up with some fake account. It's going to be a lot tougher now. What Buhari is suggesting is that all monies being payed to the govt. should be into TSA after which is it shared based on budgets and also deemed legitimate by all the arms of govt. so in essence the "checks & balances" that he dogara is worried about is still in place. Unless they have ulterior motives.

HzRF:
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My point is these agencies steal before remitting



TSA doesn't eliminate this


http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/nnpc-phcn-boi-10-other-agencies-get-tsa-exemption/220883/

tuniski:
oh, sorry u sound confused rather! NASS has its budget and once that is approved it should be a 1st line source deduction without any yeye TSA! Their independence is largely from financial autonomy. In fact the TSA sef is lame and overhyped corruption is beyond TSA application as currently being seen.

HzRF:
What are you saying

NNPC is not even part of it

And the only usefulness of TSA is that all unused money sitting idle in banks are recovered


Most of these agencies steals before coming out with statements of account

Not to talk of surrending the funds to someone already displaying tyranncy, he will just one day tell his image launders nd career praise singers to release statement to the public that the reason NASS is not getting funds is because he has the interest of Nigeria at heart

ND they don't even deserve it