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scholes0:
When did I say there were absolutely to foreigners in igboland? My Uncle is presently in Imo state living his life there.
IGBOS themselves travel out of Igboland en-masse coz of lack of opportunities, and you honestly think others should come in droves, to do what? There is nothing serious about having 1 or two minorities here and there in the East. Hausas doing business in Cameroon outnumber Hausas doing business in all Igboland, and both entities are of similar population. While the Yoruba business community in Ghana or CV outnumber all Yoruba in Igboland.

Which business did you say your uncle does in IMO state? See eh....most yorubas hate stiff competition. It drains them. That's why they can't cope in the east. You can't go to Germany or Israel or China or Japan, or Texas US and outdo them unless a slot of business has already been ceded to you there. Same goes for alaigbo.

bigfrancis21:
Nna eh, egwu a changigokwa...a borie m.

nwanne ha choro igbu gi o

But you're very smart and inspire me.

Wanna kindly follow your moniker.

bigfrancis21:
Its not an issue of 'men queuing up for you' but the quality of the men in queue for you? Because if the men queuing up for you so far were of solid quality, you wouldn't still be single by now.

You get mouth die.

Though I'm not Ibo , I can marry from any ethnic group if I ever think marriage. There was a thread where a girl was just talking about her future husband, how he'll look and all, I was enjoying the writeup until I got to the part where she said he 'MUST BE YORUBA' , that's where I just shared my head. I've lived among the Ibos, I know they love going home to marry, even a female friend of mine married from her local government area, when I asked her why, she said that has been her desire ever since she was a little girl. I don't know much about the Yoruba culture, I wish to serve there so as to know and understand their way of life.

BlaqCoffee109:
your ancestor who migrated to egbaland? sure you can call names

You're funny.... That's some humour.

By the way, Igbo people don't breed gorillas like that...

BlaqCoffee109:
...I just realised that whatever qualities I admired in him may have been as a result of his mother..she is non-ibo

You just raised an important point in this jigsaw. Did you ever bother to find out how his father fared by marrying a foreign? What role did that woman play in the eventual breakdown of that marriage? Alot must have gone wrong and you don't expect people not to have reservations.

PreyingMantis:
You're funny.... That's some humour.

By the way, Igbo people don't breed gorillas like that...

like who?! specifics please? heard his ancestry is Igbo..whatdayaknow?!

passionate88:
You get mouth die.

Though I'm not Ibo , I can marry from any ethnic group if I ever think marriage. There was a thread where a girl was just talking about her future husband, how he'll look and all, I was enjoying the writeup until I got to the part where she said he 'MUST BE YORUBA' , that's where I just shared my head. I've lived among the Ibos, I know they love going home to marry, even a female friend of mine married from her local government area, when I asked her why, she said that has been her desire ever since she was a little girl. I don't know much about the Yoruba culture, I wish to serve there so as to know and understand their way of life.

..how many head you have left again? all dese head you are chairing, there iz...

PreyingMantis:
You just raised an important point in this jigsaw. Did you ever bother to find out how his father fared by marrying a foreign? What role did that woman play in the eventual breakdown of that marriage? Alot must have gone wrong and you don't expect people not to have reservations.

..yeah, you are right..anyways can't be bothered about that no more.. his loss

BlaqCoffee109:
like who?! specifics please? heard his ancestry is Igbo..whatdayaknow?!

The gorilla cannot have Igbo ancestry. He's a pure-breed Egbaman. Igbos don't breed such level of ugly.

Meanwhile I sent you a PM...

PreyingMantis:
The gorilla cannot have Igbo ancestry. He's a pure-breed Egbaman. Igbos don't breed such level of ugly.

Meanwhile I sent you a PM...

..hi, can't remember the email address attached to my nairaland account.. hence can't access my pm..what's up?!

BlaqCoffee109:
..hi, can't remember the email address attached to my nairaland account.. hence can't access my pm..what's up?!

That's a real problem.... We need to have an offline conversation

PreyingMantis:
That's a real problem.... We need to have an offline conversation

.. wow..OK..

BlaqCoffee109:
.. wow..OK..

Try and sort out that email and let me know... Or is there another alternative?

BlaqCoffee109:
..how many head you have left again? all dese head you are chairing, there iz...

it was an error

Thunder wil just fire sumborry if my daughter brings in a hausa man dah she wants to marry him.

tonychristopher:
I don't think it's wrong for Igbo to marry their own...Igbo women are pretty and wonderful so why look outside

.even if we look outside its within the south south region especially the efiks, the ogoja at most the ijaw on rare cases

Inter tribal marriage isn't good it confuses the offsprings and waters the genes


This is my own submission

You are right,intertribal marriage isnt good for any tribe at all...it changes the genes and gradually destroys certain cultures and traditions...Even God warned the Israelites against it...it is better to marry from your tribe to preserve what you have PERIOD!

DemiGoddess:
You are right,intertribal marriage isnt good for any tribe at all...it changes the genes and gradually destroys certain cultures and traditions...Even God warned the Israelites against it...it is better to marry from your tribe to preserve what you have PERIOD!

Thank lord you can see what I saw

why are you still single ?

BlaqCoffee109:
..a gal like me no need to force marriage on any man nah...marriage proposals I have quadruples that your average Igbo chick may never dream of having...sides the issue bothers on love

tonychristopher:
why are you still single ?

i see you have missed me Tony Christopher...stop stalking me, i told you i really am not interested...try Demigoddess, she's igbo ya know? i got myself some hawt, nice and sexy Akwa Ibomite thank you

BlaqCoffee109:
i see you have missed me Tony Christopher...stop stalking me, i told you i really am not interested...try Demigoddess, she's igbo ya know? i got myself some hawt, nice and sexy Akwa Ibomite thank you

What concerns me in all this?

DemiGoddess:
What concerns me in all this?

TonyChristopher needs an igbo gal and accidentally I am not one... I presume you are one hottie and igbo too... BTW happy holidays

BlaqCoffee109:
TonyChristopher needs an igbo gal and accidentally I am not one... I presume you are one hottie and igbo too... BTW happy holidays

Ok...thanks anyway.

DemiGoddess:
Ok...thanks anyway.

you welcome hon

BlaqCoffee109:
i feel sorry for him,because he did it out of pressure and duty..trust me,he just acquired a window dressing...thing is another IBO guy who would give anything for me to accept his proposal..his ex was an Edo babe whom he told me he loved to bits but his father fought against his settling down with her and told him to bring home an Igbo girl..in his search for an Igbo girl,we met..but I just from the get -go don't want anymore of the drama..but he claims he is ready to be his own man and marry his choice...

That was a nice decision you made most girls would not have such decisive power.

TerraCotta:
This poster often makes these types of inane comments. He is not alone in being incurably addicted to ethnic stereotyping so there's not much point in engaging with him (although I'm grateful to others like Radoillo and Scholes who do God's work by replying!) I do have to correct some simplistic comments that I often see repeated by ignorant posters on Nairaland. Anyone who feels offended because they fit the bill of 'ignorance' may wish to look up the meaning of the word.

Yoruba entrepreneurs have lived and continue to live all over Nigeria and West Africa, in numbers rivaling if not outnumbering any other migrant groups. I'm not interested in score-settling with shallow-minded tribal chestbeaters but the facts are the facts and we have both anecdotal and empirical evidence to support this view. You will find Yoruba traders in every rural corner of northern and central Nigeria, and in a chain of communities stretching throughout West Africa up to the Ivory Coast. Entrepreneurial travel is a foundational aspect of Yoruba culture, as I've written here before. It's enshrined in the traditional religion through "Aje shaluga" and Olokun, and is well-presented in hundreds of proverbs, and in ancient and contemporary patterns of commerce. The market is still the locus of society in most rural settings, and cities built along traditional plans like Ibadan still demonstrate the central role of the market in Yoruba life. A brilliant, under-appreciated book on this theme was published in the early 1980s and is called "The Entrepreneur As Culture-Hero"--the author is Professor Bernard Belasco, formerly of the City University of New York. More recent books by Toyin Falola and Jane Guyer go further into Yoruba economic history and anthropology from the 19th century to the present.

Even further back in time, the economic development of Ile-Ife was most likely due to its trade in the luxury goods of the day (9th-14th century West Africa), which included the beaded jewelry, ivory and bronze/brass/copper-alloy artwork produced there: http://www.icom-cc.org/54/document/wg-glass-and-ceramics-interim-meeting-corning-2010--preprint-ige/?action=Site_Downloads_Downloadfile&id=1278
The city was wealthy enough to attract the attention of Muslim scholars like Ibn-Battuta, who is believed to have written about 14th-century Ife under the name "Yufi"--similar to the indigenous Ife-Ijesa and Okun-Ondo dialect version of the town name, "Ufe". There is some controversy about this record but it appears to be correct in calling Ife "one of the largest towns of the negroes, whose ruler is one of the most considerable of the negro rulers." As suggested by this record, Yoruba cultures have long placed an importance on living in primarily urban arrangements; they are considered one (if not the most) urbanized societies in Africa prior to colonization. Urbanization requires societies open to immigration, entrepreneurship, religious, linguistic and cultural mixing. To my mind, this tradition is strongly upheld in Yoruba culture and partially explain both the size and economic vitality of many Yoruba cities like Lagos and Ibadan.

Coming back to the revolting bigotry that pushes someone to say a group of 35 million people aren't "independent-minded and enterprising enough to travel outside their region to survive". The mindset that generates this type of simple-minded comment can't be cured by posting on the Internet, unfortunately. Thankfully, it can be partially relieved through reading and travel, so more facts:

Yoruba Traders in Cote D'Ivoire: http://www.ajol.info/index.php/afrrev/article/view/43614 (This was, until recently, the country with the highest per-capita GDP and living standards in West Africa)

The Yoruba Migrant Entrepreneur Experience in Ghana: http://www.imi.ox.ac.uk/events/amw-2008/papers/olaniyi.pdf and https://books.google.com.hk/books?id=IjlzSYnAKdQC&pg=PA217&lpg=PA217&dq=yoruba+ivory+ghana&source=bl&ots=fu3niM8Tif&sig=pkXGVgPr9-1yvmJHRPbG-i08KTE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDAQ6AEwCWoVChMIn-6-6qSWyAIVJCymCh0iAg64#v=onepage&q=yoruba%20ivory%20ghana&f=false

The Yoruba ethnonym "Anago" or "Nagot" is synonymous with "Nigerian" in both the Ivory Coast and Ghana, which suggests the significance of the Yoruba migrant population in both countries.



This is senseless, given the documented travel patterns above. If there were economic opportunities and societal openness rivaling Cote D'Ivoire and Ghana in the East, you would expect to see more migration there. Unlike some of the silly inferences I read on Nairaland, migrant labor does not move to new areas out of an altruistic need to "develop" a community. Migrant traders like the Yoruba in these countries, or in London, Dubai and so forth, go to these places because there are more economic opportunities than they would have at home. They are leaving to "strike it rich", not to perform philanthropy. It is a clear comment on the perceived inferior quality of Nigerian schools that students would rather attend university in Ghana and Malaysia (and of course the U.S. and U.K.) It may wound Nigerian pride to hear it, but that won't make it less true. Likewise, if Yoruba traders go to every other region and nation on Earth but avoid specific ones in large numbers, there is likely to be a straightforward explanation that doesn't require the tortured logic of the quoted statement.



Your claims are demonstrably false as shown above, since there are literally millions of Yoruba people living outside their region for three or more generations, at this point. They live in a wide variety of other communities inside and outside Nigeria. The more probable truth is that you and others who think and talk like you represent a strain of thought and lack of openness in your region that most Yoruba people would find unacceptable. Coming from cosmopolitan backgrounds where they are used to celebrating a variety of ethnic and religious backgrounds, they are unlikely to be attracted to that rudimentary approach to life and a general lack of courtesy and decorum. If there were some overriding economic reasons to live in the East, there would undoubtedly be many hardy migrants who are indifferent to these issues. For instance, there are Yoruba traders established in Hong Kong and Dubai, which are certainly more economically competitive and less culturally-familiar to them than Eastern Nigeria. The appeal is the economic opportunity that the first two choices offer and that the last appears to lack. Whether or not this lack of opportunity is true has little to do with my point that BigFrancis typifies a lack of cultural courtesy and decorum that many (if not most) Yoruba would find repellant.

Bigotry comes easily to the shallow-minded and inexperienced and it's tempting (but difficult) to ignore it if you have a nuanced and open-minded view of the world. Nairaland taught me a log time ago that engaging with dyed-in-the-wool bigots is a waste of time--they either grow out of their ignorance through their own efforts or inevitably face shame and correction from a source they admire and trust more than an anonymous internet poster. It is important to correct nonsense like the first quoted statement because impressionable readers who don't have a wider appetite for information might buy it.

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@TerraCotta

Well said... you did maximum
justice with reference to the highly
misleading information the guy who is also a mod gave
in this thread. @scholes0 also
stood up to the false propaganda... Maybe
these guys think most Nairaland users
are trolls who are not educated or well-travelled.



I travelled to Cote 'd Ivoire in 1988 and was surprised to
see a large number of people
of Yoruba ancestry engaging in
business activities, and on my
return flight via the same Nigeria Airways, there
were some Lebanese, and other Yoruba
traders/business people on board the
Airbus A-310 [one of the 4 brand new
Airbus A-310s that Nigeria Airways purchased in the late 1980s].


This buttresses what you posted
originally!

Why Igbo again...We have pretty ladies in Igbo land ..So why look outside

BlaqCoffee109:
There are jocular anecdotes told of the Igbo people...a couple of then I favor...if you get to a strange land and find no Igbo man therein,you Berra port or while theres war in Syra, or any other place for that matter,the Igbo man is defying all odds to do his business in the midst of it! The doggedness,tenacity,the business acumen and industrious spirit of the Igbo man..amazing..admirable!
I went through a thread of a certain nairalander whom whimsically stated her admiration for Igbo men...I smiled to myself on her newfound dedication; a thought occurred to me to get the issue of intertribal marriage to the front burner..albeit focusing on the IBO tribe..I detest generalisation in any context, but there are some perceived stereotypes which borders on some inherent truth...this brings up the question:

Why is it that some or most Igbo men no matter their love or commitment to any woman that is non-igbo will leave that same woman and must marry one of their own? ..no matter the stand of the man,the relatives,Umunna..especially if the man have sisters would subjugate the non Igbo wife of their brother and frustrate to the point of ruining the relationship of their brother to his non Igbo girlfriend or wife so that he can marry "properly" an Adaobi..on the flip side,the Igbo females have less trouble marrying non-igbo men...I understand there are Igbo men and women whom have had the liberty of choice to marry non-igbos..that given,the above stated is a fundamental issue...now will the agitation for Biafra fuel the prejudice of intertribal marriage of Igbo sons to non Igbo women? Why do the igbos kick frantically against their sons marrying non-igbo women?

Case study: Psquare's Marital Brouhaha... Peter Okoye and Lola Omotayo Vs. Paul and Jude Okoye.
Cc: Lalasticlala ( Front page please,Thank you.)

@Lalasticlala

BlaqCoffee109:
Case study: Psquare's Marital Brouhaha... Peter Okoye and Lola Omotayo Vs. Paul and Jude Okoye.
Cc: Lalasticlala ( Front page please,Thank you.)

Wait. Are you suggesting Peter is having problems with Paul for the specific reason that Lola is not Igbo? Didn't Paul marry a Rivers girl?

RedboneSmith:
Wait. Are you suggesting Peter is having problems with Paul for the specific reason that Lola is not Igbo? Didn't Paul marry a Rivers girl?

Is rivers a tribe ?

RedboneSmith:
Wait. Are you suggesting Peter is having problems with Paul for the specific reason that Lola is not Igbo? Didn't Paul marry a Rivers girl?

the Ibos are open to Rivers people like the Ikwerre...they are considered Ibo...now the thing with Ibos: Their sons marrying a none ibo especially Yoruba...they will frustrate the life of that union in anticipation for him to marry from "home"...in very rare cases do you see the man stick with his choice and follow through.

christopher123:
Is rivers a tribe ?

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