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Is any of these a form of worship,reverence,moderation and sobriety 'expected' in the gathering, and that is free of 'frivolities', and not based on 'parasitic and paralytic'

vooks:
Yes David fell into adultery. Does that subtract nothing from the fact that an entire chapter is dedicated to his dancing and celebrating before the Lord?
How is it hyped?
Did David err in any way by your estimation?
Whatever amounts to 'vain lifestyles' to you, what is wrong with dancing before the Lord?

Okay, so i will be nice and answer all the posts before this my post, after that i have not much to say, i have other pressing issues and clients to attend to than to spend so much time on nothing much. i have clearly said that there is nothing wrong with dancing just like there is nothing wrong with sex. And for the records if i have not already said it, i dance and i enjoy dancing. What i speak against is the misuse and abuse of the dance, the introduction and addition of all sort of frivolity and worldliness in the name of "David danced". The subject is easily a thing of discernment than long epistles cleverly written, yet another reason not to waste my time too much. If you don't get it, well you don't get it sorry. i believe you got something more important. There is nothing wrong with dancing before God. What is observable is sinners and unserious/carnal christians being careless and flippant and then taking Bible verses like these to justify their carnality, frivolity and lasciviousness. You never hear grammar oh. Dancing some worldly "baby your booty" in church is not liberty or dancing like King David. These is what many people do in the name of dancing like David danced. These same people will not give like David gave, or think like he thought, or live like he lived, in courage, faith, trust, penitence, reverence, meditation, patience, kindness etc

You are not against dancing? Cool. Do you dance before the Lord? If you do, briefly distinguish your dancing from 'all the frivolities that go on today'. And if you don't dance, briefly explain why you won't indulge in something you are not against


I'm yet to see anywhere God disapproved of David's dancing. You may want to quote it. How does God approve of it? First, He never stopped David. Secondly, his detractor wife was cursed with barrenness. She probably had studied and mastered your vocabularies of 'frivolities', 'moderation','sobriety' bla de bla and went a step further and rebuked David.

You obviously wish there was no record of this, don't you?
It does not matter how many times it is quoted as long as it is NEVER misquoted. Do you have a particular frequency verses should be quoted before they become 'paralytic and parasitic'?

You are a professional at making up strawmen. Nobody has claimed that he danced his way to that position. What is clear to us for an example is the lifestyle of the man after God's heart; he was a dancer who cared the least about decorum when it comes to worship. David danced vigorously and he wrote about dancing in Psalms. What else do you want before you can get off your sanctimonious rear and dance before the Lord? An inspired dance video from biblical times?

The number one thing you said i should meditate on was that God approved David's dance, i asked that you please show me where specifically. here you were asking questions but in your later posts, you simply made unfounded assertions about me, what happened? You couldn't wait or didn't want to wait for answers? You'd rather believe what you want about me, you see, that's one reason you're allowed to believe what you want about the topic as well. There was no straw man, We are not told that he danced his way to that point/position. We can only assume so. That is a fact.

Vigorous enough to be noticed by his wife
Let me be nice. Give me a single reason why you won't dance because I know you don't

i don't recall David's wife accusing him of his dancing, it was more about his dressing that she had issues.

vooks:
You clearly think dancing or most of it is ' all the frivolities that go on today in the name of worship'.

Why won't you indulge us, educate us on the 'unfrivolous' dancing that meets your eloquently set criteria up there

That would be about the most useful contribution you can make to this thread instead of obscurantism


Where is Gombs?

Oh you had to report me subtly, interesting.

vooks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHyr9I0f7b4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiyX9Tzd-Dk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuM0dX35bsc

Image123, Gombs
Is any of these a form of worship,reverence,moderation and sobriety 'expected' in the gathering, and that is free of 'frivolities', and not based on 'parasitic and paralytic'

The first and 3rd are moderate, the 2nd hardly involves 'dancing', more like calisthenics abi na choreography dem dey call am.

Phi 4:5 Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand.

vooks:
Excellent bro. But one can also disregard one too many aspects of Christianity since it is all about faith that pleases God. One may shun fellowship,prayer,fasting,witnessing because it is all about faith and so forth. And if I may mention it, even faith that moves mountains without love is in vain.

Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
i think it is unfair to compare dancing as on the same scale of relevance as fellowship,prayer,fasting and witnessing.

In the light of such clear testimony of scriptures about dancing, from Exodus to Psalms, I'd be very interested in their reasons for not dancing.

And exactly how is what scripture 'lamely twisted'? Do you mind giving refreshing us with the untwisted interpretation?


PS
I'm having a ball reading a not-so subtle censure of dancing from a supposedly neutral or indifferent arbiter

Interesting, the assertion that is. The 'lamely twisted verse' was generic.

Gombs:
I'm here... Following.

Is image123's account hacked?

Lol. i guess its my penchant for defending the seemingly defenseless.

Gombs:
I'm so awed at this submission.

When the spirit takes over you... You'd dance with reckless abandon...to your father, not to the admiration, support or opposition of men.

David danced... Bible said like a mad man, what form of reverence were you even talking about?

You, from the above writ about angels, makes me certain you have no idea about them, their operations.. Neither have you seen one.

When the Bible says angels REJOICE before the Father when a soul is won... What did you think Jesus meant? The angels will all stand, and probably bow and then shout with joy (all in reverence) ... That's all?

No, sir... They dance... In fact they do better owambe!

Luke 15 Msg
The Story of the Lost Coin

8-10"Or imagine a woman who has ten coins and loses one. Won't she light a lamp and scour the house, looking in every nook and cranny until she finds it? And when she finds it you can be sure she'll call her friends and neighbors: 'Celebrate with me! I found my lost coin!' Count on it—that's the kind of party God's angels throw every time one lost soul turns to God."

i'm guessing most of our GOs, Bishops, Pastors etc do not have enough of the spirit then. i hardly see them dance with this reckless abandon that you speak. Those that do so are usually some youths, or some attention seeking fella, who have worked liitle or no known miracle, cast out no demon, have no victory in their personal life over anger, prayerlessness, lack of Bible study, money management etc. Just my observations, hope i'm not harsh. i hardly see any other Bible character involved in this reckless abandon, perhaps they do not have enough of the spirit like we posit; Jesus, Peter, Paul, Elijah, Jeremiah, Moses etc. i do not really need to lecture you on what really and usually happens when the real Spirit takes over. No scipture suggests that David's dance was BECAUSE of any spirit taking over, you are rehashing the thoughts of a popular chorus not scripture.
i've never seen an angel i guess, at least not a dancing one i've seen precious things though. But the people who claimed to have seen angels in the Bible do not speak of them dancing FRIVOLOUSLY. Being happy or joyful doesn't necessarily translate to the extremes i refer to. These lustful dances that are for only prostitutes and club houses. Again moderation is key.
Phi 4:5 Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand.

Gombs:
Furnish me with some examples. Thanks

Examples of angels praising God?

Luk 2:13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,
Luk 2:14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

Rev 5:11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
Rev 5:12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honor, and glory, and blessing.

Isa 6:2 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.
Isa 6:3 And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.


No hint of reckless abandon as the spirit takes over whatever.

Image123:
i'm guessing most of our GOs, Bishops, Pastors etc do not have enough of the spirit then. i hardly see them dance with this reckless abandon that you speak.

So, now, the 'frivolities' is subjected to the youthful? How many GOs are youthful and athletic as David was when he danced that dance?

Those that do so are usually some youths, or some attention seeking fella, who have worked liitle or no known miracle, cast out no demon, have no victory in their personal life over anger, prayerlessness, lack of Bible study, money management etc. Just my observations, hope i'm not harsh.

How dare you! You're rushing into the error of Lot - seeing by the flesh. Bible says we should know no man after the flesh. As David danced, how many demons did he cast... And other vituperation of yours above?

i hardly see any other Bible character involved in this reckless abandon, perhaps they do not have enough of the spirit like we posit; Jesus, Peter, Paul, Elijah, Jeremiah, Moses etc.

These guys did 'crazier' things when fill with the Spirit, David's case was expressed with dance. For example, Jesus just like that o... Started screaming out a message... Peter? The same guy who betrayed Jesus, go read what the Spirit did with him, Paul? Elijah? These all had their own manifestation.

i do not really need to lecture you on what really and usually happens when the real Spirit takes over. No scipture suggests that David's dance was BECAUSE of any spirit taking over, you are rehashing the thoughts of a popular chorus not scripture.

Yet, God was angry with David's wife... Remind me why? Remind me what David's answer to her was!

i've never seen an angel i guess, at least not a dancing one i've seen precious things though. But the people who claimed to have seen angels in the Bible do not speak of them dancing FRIVOLOUSLY. [quote]Did you ever know that some angels are playful while some terrifying? Now, you read in the Bible that angels display emotions...

They get angry, the express joy, some even desired women... And yet, like you think, they don't dance "frivolities". How do you think they praise God sef?

[quote]Being happy or joyful doesn't necessarily translate to the extremes i refer to. These lustful dances that are for only prostitutes and club houses. Again moderation is key.
Phi 4:5 Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand.

You need renew your mind o...


Lustful dance! What is Lustful about Shakiti Bobo, skelewu, shoki, alanta, etc? Because they were used in secular music videos.

When we brought cultural dance into dance to the Lord, you seemed to see nothing wrong with it, to you, it was moderate... Have you seen the ijaw female dance? Or that of the efiks? The way they shake it, you'd not believe... But for some reason you don't term these dance Lustful, because it wasn't used in clubs and prostitutes don't use them.


Ok, can you give me example of non Lustful dance we can use? A video perhaps?

Image123:
Examples of angels praising God?

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Luk 2:13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,
Luk 2:14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

Rev 5:11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
Rev 5:12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honor, and glory, and blessing.

Isa 6:2 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.
Isa 6:3 And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.


No hint of reckless abandon as the spirit takes over whatever.
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You said "from ALL bible description" of angels, in a bid to back your stance here

"Even angels are not frivolous before God from the bible pictures and portraits despite living with, praising and knowing God far better."

You seemed to have ignored the message translation I sent you. How convenient!

Image123:
Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
i think it is unfair to compare dancing as on the same scale of relevance as fellowship,prayer,fasting and witnessing.

Strawmen are your bane
Who compared dancing ' on the same scale of relevance as fellowship,prayer,fasting and witnessing'?
I merely pointed those to educate you on the fallacy of disuse as a solution to abuse. Once again, any aspect of Christianity is susceptible to abuse.

Interesting, the assertion that is. The 'lamely twisted verse' was generic.

'Generic'? Why would you post it here? Did you come across any abused verse here? If you haven't, then may I suggest you. Keep to yourself lectures of 'lamely twisted verse' until you come across such instances

Image123:
The first and 3rd are moderate, the 2nd hardly involves 'dancing', more like calisthenics abi na choreography dem dey call am.

Phi 4:5 Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand.

Who determines 'moderate'? 'Image123 Dance Assessment Commission?

Image123:
Okay, so i will be nice and answer all the posts before this my post, after that i have not much to say, i have other pressing issues and clients to attend to than to spend so much time on nothing much.

In contrast, I have so much time in my hands and so little to do. I'm idlelatrous

i have clearly said that there is nothing wrong with dancing just like there is nothing wrong with sex. And for the records if i have not already said it, i dance and i enjoy dancing.

Cool. Everything else you say past this is utterly irrelevant.

What i speak against is the misuse and abuse of the dance, the introduction and addition of all sort of frivolity and worldliness in the name of "David danced".

If the OP was concerned about abuse, he should have told you
His subject was on dancing after the man after God's heart.

The subject is easily a thing of discernment than long epistles cleverly written, yet another reason not to waste my time too much.

Nobody wrote copious irrelevancies longer than yourself

If you don't get it, well you don't get it sorry. i believe you got something more important. There is nothing wrong with dancing before God.

Mighty glad your fickle thinly veiled skepticism gave way to reason after all

What is observable is sinners and unserious/carnal christians being careless and flippant and then taking Bible verses like these to justify their carnality, frivolity and lasciviousness.

They remain the problem not 'dancing like David'

You never hear grammar oh. Dancing some worldly "baby your booty" in church is not liberty or dancing like King David. These is what many people do in the name of dancing like David danced.

For the umpteenth time, every aspect of Christianity is susceptible to abuse. Fickle and thinly veiled skepticism is not the way to go

These same people will not give like David gave, or think like he thought, or live like he lived, in courage, faith, trust, penitence, reverence, meditation, patience, kindness etc

Christianity does not start and end with dance nor with any of its aspects and nobody suggested so. If you were any wiser, you'd teach such where over and whenever you run into them. But don't arrest their dancing.

The number one thing you said i should meditate on was that God approved David's dance, i asked that you please show me where specifically. here you were asking questions but in your later posts, you simply made unfounded assertions about me, what happened? You couldn't wait or didn't want to wait for answers? You'd rather believe what you want about me, you see, that's one reason you're allowed to believe what you want about the topic as well. There was no straw man, We are not told that he danced his way to that point/position. We can only assume so. That is a fact.

Such an act that resulted in barrenness befalling his detractor tells it all. Besides, can you show me where God disapproved of the same? David conducts a census, God is wroth he steals a man's wife, God is wroth. He dances and God is wroth? Get serious for once

i don't recall David's wife accusing him of his dancing, it was more about his dressing that she had issues.

You can't recall what you've never read. Why did she have issues with his dress? Was he color clashing?

Gombs:
So, now, the 'frivolities' is subjected to the youthful? How many GOs are youthful and athletic as David was when he danced that dance?

So, i thought to be nice enough to also give Gombs a last reply on this as i have done for my other friend(at least for this while).
You said "When the spirit takes over you", you did not exempt any ages like that of Gos, Jesus, Jeremiah, Elijah,Peter, Paul,Moses etc. BTW, i've known many of the popular GOs and unknown GOs, Bishops and Pastors for a loooooooooong time. Still, i have hardly seen them dance with this reckless abandon that you speak. Your initial criteria for this dance was 'the spirit', now it is age, very well.

How dare you! You're rushing into the error of Lot - seeing by the flesh. Bible says we should know no man after the flesh. As David danced, how many demons did he cast... And other vituperation of yours above?

Oh oh, now i should be afraid.

These guys did 'crazier' things when fill with the Spirit, David's case was expressed with dance. For example, Jesus just like that o... Started screaming out a message... Peter? The same guy who betrayed Jesus, go read what the Spirit did with him, Paul? Elijah? These all had their own manifestation.

What can be crazier than dancing with reckless abandon? Isn't that what you said happens when the spirit takes over you? i have mentioned people who the Holy Spirit must have taken over, none of them was said to be moved to dance with reckless abandon BECAUSE the spirit took over. David's dance was not attributed to any spirit of any kind, you can please show us if otherwise.

Yet, God was angry with David's wife... Remind me why? Remind me what David's answer to her was!

No scipture suggests that David's dance was BECAUSE of any spirit taking over, you are rehashing the thoughts of a popular chorus not scripture.

You need renew your mind o...


Lustful dance! What is Lustful about Shakiti Bobo, skelewu, shoki, alanta, etc? Because they were used in secular music videos.

When we brought cultural dance into dance to the Lord, you seemed to see nothing wrong with it, to you, it was moderate... Have you seen the ijaw female dance? Or that of the efiks? The way they shake it, you'd not believe... But for some reason you don't term these dance Lustful, because it wasn't used in clubs and prostitutes don't use them.


Ok, can you give me example of non Lustful dance we can use? A video perhaps?

Everybody needs a renewing of the mind.
Phi 4:5 Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand.

Gombs:
You said "from ALL bible description" of angels, in a bid to back your stance here

"Even angels are not frivolous before God from the bible pictures and portraits despite living with, praising and knowing God far better."

You seemed to have ignored the message translation I sent you. How convenient!

You seem to forget that you said "Furnish me with some examples. Thanks"

i'm always nice though, Throwing a party or rejoicing does not mean frivolity. Joy is not frivolity, not all parties have to be reckless or involve debauchery.

In conclusion,
Jud 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
Jam 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

i hope that doesn't get anyone mad Who determines feminine colours, good food, poverty, eternal life, sobriety, discretion and discernment? i'm glad to read that even Pastor Adeboye of the RCCG doesn't think all dance/music is okay. Hear him in yesterday's Open Heavens'devotional.

It is not all praise and worship that is genuine and acceptable unto the Lord; some are unto the flesh. I have often told my children in the faith that they should be mindful of the type of songs they sing in the name of praise or worship. Some of these songs are from the pit of hell, coated in Christian lyrics. Any song, dance, drama or general work of art that promotes promiscuity is abominable in the sight of God and will do the opposite of genuine songs of praise and worship. Our songs should come from a pure heart; its presentation should also be void of pride and ulterior motive. It is unfortunate that some so-called songs of praise and worship are the importation of songs from idol worship. They are melodious, so we embrace them without knowing the implication. From today, let us allow the Holy Spirit to give us songs that the Trinity will appreciate, and let us sing to the beauty of God’s holiness for irreversible victory over our adversaries.

As if by the Spirit, he comes in again with today's Open Heavens' devotional

Another lesson we must learn from this story is that our praise and worship must be Holy Spirit inspired; it must not be offered from our carnal man. The way we sometimes sing God’s praise confirms that these songs are carnally motivated: not seasoned with grace. It would have been acceptable if we were singing it to praise men like secular musicians do. Unfortunately, the One we claim to be praising is a spirit; He knows everything.

Enough said, thread unfollowed, and without apology.