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Chubhie:
That's a no go area cos all retired and serving Generals had a piece of the action. The dasukigate was meant for politicians alone.

Those guys are on EFCC detention facility already!

#Fact

morbeta:
South South people will stone Jonathan by the time the whole looting that occurred during his regime will be laid bare.

Sharrap!!!

As if the north stoned Abacha... Or the west stoned Obasanjo...

GEJ remains the most respected figure alive in the SS. Did he make mistakes yes, but we will not stone our own, we will only learn from mistakes and past experiences.

If you get mind cross River Niger kon stone am, now when Magu don tok say e no get case to ansa for Dasukigate.

@TonyeBarcanista, it is myopic to compare the security challenge of the Niger Delta militancy to the Boko Haram Jihad.

Ask yourself, how many people were killed by the Niger Deltans and ask how many were killed by BH.

2. Although, I support the need to probe the military budget under Jonathan, there is zero reason to call GEJ to answer for anything.

GEJ appointed the best in the military to handle the BH challenge. Even though he was the Commander-in-chief, he had to rely on the information gotten by the service chiefs and military top-brass like Dasuki.

He couldn't have embarked on a purge in the middle of the war as the military play by different rules. You can't probe a top brass during a war, it is not done anywhere. Accountability demands that the independent agencies do the probing now that the war is ending. Whatever they come up with will be supported by me.

-Lord

obailala:
The noise made by the soldiers fighting the war about their lack of arms, including simple things like bullets, that noise was too deafening to ignore. The problem was not the budget on defense, rather the problem and the big question being asked is, "what were all those large defence budgets used for even whilst soldiers kept lamenting and dying due to lack of common bullets for their rifles?"

I don't think the point there is too complex to understand.

Well, your question is a good one but your answer is not farfetched. Jonathan's regime created enemies with the Alpha dogs in this world so non will sell arms to him thats what created the cry from the army. Remember the money seized by the S.A that was meant for arms, what do you think jonathan was doing? Simple he was trying to buy arms even if it was illegally cuz if the U.S knew they will threaten the country selling. Buying arms from the black marketers will eat up much fund. So in a nut shell the big question is that jonathan used the money to buy arms at an expensive rate.

repogirl:
surprised this is coming from you but its the truth.

These things are distractions and the fickle minded people are so overtaken by distractions that they miss the real show.


As for TonyeBarcanista, Iya basira Aisha rice don finish oooo, nothing remaining for you.

Which rice?

While it is good to rout corruption in Nigeria, the hypocrisy in the present war against a segment of the political class makes the whole effort a big charade. This country is on its knees because politicians from all class have looted our commonwealth

I am sick to my guts when someone comes up and start spouting like a paid agent, cherrypicking points to paint the picture of corruption. An unbiased view would have pointed out that a complete review of defence budget from 1999 or even earlier would greatly showcase the entire political class that has pinned the country in bondage for decades.

Oh yes, you guessed it! They wouldn't say this because a longer review would expose their allies. The country is littered with corrupt people and almost all government agencies in Abuja, Lagos and elsewhere are enmeshed in corruption. All elections, including those sponsored by the present ruling class, were paid for with looted public funds

I am sick of people trying to act holier than thou, when a toddler with common sense can easily tell that this is a charade. A case of cherry picking those to hunt down whilst leaving the greater bulk of the thieves (in this case, in allied political class) to roam free, with pockets bulging with our commonwealth.

The op stated there exist sycophants who readily defends the looters. I will opine they defend the injustice in the entire charade, seeing as other allied looters are sitted back, having a laugh at all of you. And you, who wishes not to see that, is a leader of the sycophants you accuse.

When they are serious about the anti corruption war, right thinking folks would be at the forefront in support, not praise singers like you whose motives remain unclear

Finally, Dr Goodluck Jonathan need to explain his role or otherwise in the arms fraud (and any subsequent probe). Nigerians are waiting...


May God Bless Us All and Bless Nigeria[/quote]

Tonye even while criticizing he do made valid points.

This guy is a true nationalist who care for the victims of BH, I lost 7 class mates both officers and soldiers, I lost a cousin and someone is somewhere calling for the release of this yam eaters? hell no

You are on point and God will continue to bless your hustle for #NAILINGITSTRAIGHT

#DEFENCEBUDGETMUSTBEACCOUNTFOR

GOD BLESS TONYEBACANISTER

TonyeBarcanista:
Corruption in Nigeria has taken a new height. From stealing few millions appropriated for road project to stealing multibillions and trillions appropriated for the survival of citizens. We have reached a stage where some people elevate the political aspiration of their principal and benefactor over the lives and survival of the poor members of the society. As if that is not bad enough, there is now an army of career sycophants and prospective sycophant from among the masses(victims) that are ever ready to "defend" the perpetrators of this wicked act. A lot have been exposed since #DasukiGate started, and a lot yet to be revealed. What happened to the trillions spent for defence and managed by Dasuki and Defence minister(s) during GEJ's era? Why should we concern ourselves with meagre N650billio($2.2b) while leaving out trillions that was majorly managed by the same player(Dasuki)?

Entire Defence Budget of GEJ's Era Should Be probed...
With the revelation coming from the #DasukiGate, it appears that more is yet to be heard about the corruption practices that went unabated in the defence sector under the administration of Dr Goodluck Ebele Jonathan. In Yar'adua's era, the highest Nigeria spent on Defence budget was N444.6 billion in 2008; That was the peak of militancy in the Niger Delta. His 2009 and 2010 defence budgets were N233billion and N264billion respectively. As President, Dr Jonathan's first defence budget shoot to N348billion in 2011. From 2012, the defence budget sky-rocketed by 300% to N922 billion(approx N1trillion). It was increased to N1.055 trillion in 2013 and N1.17trillion in 2014. Coincidentally, the periods of "trillion" budget were all presided by Colonel Sambo Dasuki as National Security Adviser.

2012 Defence Budget Rivals All Yar'adua's Defence Budget:
It is instructive to note that the total money appropriated for defence by Jonathan administration in 2012 alone almost equal ALL the three years of Ya'adua administration defence budget. In terms of figure, while Yar'adua administration spent a combined N941.6 billion on Defence in his three years in office, Jonathan government spent N922 billion in 2012 alone(difference of less than N20billion). Did we enjoy better security?

Huge Spending Can't Be Justified...
The total appropriation for defence under the Jonathan's administration between 2011 and 2014 is about N3.4 trillion. But can anybody beat his chest to say that what is on ground represent 30% of N3.4trillion? How much was the real allocation of soldiers' on the theatre? How many fighting equipment was bought?

If such money was holistically spent, I don't think there will be any way to justify the spread of ragtag boko haram that was cut to size by a team of police and army within three days in July 2009 to a monster that resurrected in 2010, killing over fifteen thousand Nigerians, kidnapping over two thousands, rendering thousands of people widows/widowers, orphans, childless and homeless, taking territories, and sending gallant men and women of the security forces to their untimely death.

#Arms Probe: Commendable But Not Enough...
As much as I commend, appreciate and support the government in the ongoing $2.2 billion arms fraud, it is important to state that the so-called arms fraud is meagre in real sense and does not represent justice to all the direct and indirect victims of Boko haram insurgency both dead and alive. Nigerians want to see all those that participated in the looting of the resources meant to secure the lives and property of the common man under whatever guise and irrespective of societal status to be brought to justice. Secondary and tertiary beneficiaries of the loot must not be spared either. All monies even to the last kobo must be recovered. May God grant the government the wisdom.

A National Shame and Pain...
It is shameful and disgraceful that some people have lost every sense of humanity. It is more of a disgrace that sycophants are always available to defend these alleged criminals. It is however, painful that the country had to lose precious lives and properties because of the greed of some individuals within the corridors of power.

Finally, Dr Goodluck Jonathan need to explain his role or otherwise in the arms fraud (and any subsequent probe). Nigerians are waiting...




May God Bless Us All and Bless Nigeria

That how it should be Barcanista we should unite against things Killling us regardless of the political divide

dancewith:
While it is good to rout corruption in Nigeria, the hypocrisy in the present war against a segment of the political class makes the whole effort a big charade. This country is on its knees because politicians from all class have looted our commonwealth

I am sick to my guts when someone comes up and start spouting like a paid agent, cherrypicking points to paint the picture of corruption. An unbiased view would have pointed out that a complete review of defence budget from 1999 or even earlier would greatly showcase the entire political class that has pinned the country in bondage for decades.

Oh yes, you guessed it! They wouldn't say this because a longer review would expose their allies. The country is littered with corrupt people and almost all government agencies in Abuja, Lagos and elsewhere are enmeshed in corruption. All elections, including those sponsored by the present ruling class, were paid for with looted public funds

I am sick of people trying to act holier than thou, when a toddler with common sense can easily tell that this is a charade. A case of cherry picking those to hunt down whilst leaving the greater bulk of the thieves (in this case, in allied political class) to roam free, with pockets bulging with our commonwealth.

The op stated there exist sycophants who readily defends the looters. I will opine they defend the injustice in the entire charade, seeing as other allied looters are sitted back, having a laugh at all of you. And you, who wishes not to see that, is a leader of the sycophants you accuse.

When they are serious about the anti corruption war, right thinking folks would be at the forefront in support, not praise singers like you whose motives remain unclear

you are missing the true picture here. gmb has not probed any budgeted defence funds spent by the Jonathan government even when it is clear it is over bloated. What he is probing is the spending of funds not approved by national assembly, Abacha loot was returned and they went ahead to spend it even when it was not in the budget. we will likely not have any probe into the defence budget if that money was left alone. You say it is one sided but has Dasuki mentioned that he gave any APC person money and the person wasn't picked up? The fight has to start from somewhere. The way I see it, gmb seems more interested in the money, it looks like the offenders will be let off easy if they return the money. Don't worry, the day thieves comes to your house and the police catches them, they will let them go because they have not apprehended a robbery kingpin who has been stealing since 1980 since he has connections in government.

Wizprodigy:
Well, your question is a good one but your answer is not farfetched. Jonathan's regime created enemies with the Alpha dogs in this world so non will sell arms to him thats what created the cry from the army. Remember the money seized by the S.A that was meant for arms, what do you think jonathan was doing? Simple he was trying to buy arms even if it was illegally cuz if the U.S knew they will threaten the country selling. Buying arms from the black marketers will eat up much fund. So in a nut shell the big question is that jonathan used the money to buy arms at an expensive rate.

Lol.. very laughable defense. over N3trillion spent on buying arms and you claim all the money may have been spent on blackmarket weapons but yet, soldiers didnt still have common bullets. This is the same blackmarket where even the same bokoharam and militants in the creeks easily go to and get arms at much cheaper rates. And yet the FG claims to have spent over N3trillion and yet no bullet, and still no bullets?

repogirl:
surprised this is coming from you but its the truth.

These things are distractions and the fickle minded people are so overtaken by distractions that they miss the real show.


As for TonyeBarcanista, Iya basira Aisha rice don finish oooo, nothing remaining for you.

he is only looking for where his bread will be buttered

LordAdam:
[s]Sharrap!!!

As if the north stoned Abacha... Or the west stoned Obasanjo...

GEJ remains the most respected figure alive in the SS. Did he make mistakes yes, but we will not stone our own, we will only learn from mistakes and past experiences.

If you get mind cross River Niger kon stone am, now when Magu don tok say e no get case to ansa for Dasukigate.

@TonyeBarcanista, it is myopic to compare the security challenge of the Niger Delta militancy to the Boko Haram Jihad.

Ask yourself, how many people were killed by the Niger Deltans and ask how many were killed by BH.

2. Although, I support the need to probe the military budget under Jonathan, there is zero reason to call GEJ to answer for anything.

GEJ appointed the best in the military to handle the BH challenge. Even though he was the Commander-in-chief, he had to rely on the information gotten by the service chiefs and military top-brass like Dasuki.

He couldn't have embarked on a purge in the middle of the war as the military play by different rules. You can't probe a top brass during a war, it is not done anywhere. Accountability demands that the independent agencies do the probing now that the war is ending. Whatever they come up with will be supported by me.

-Lord[/s]

This does not make sense

Jonathan is a THIEF!

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repogirl:
surprised this is coming from you but its the truth.

These things are distractions and the fickle minded people are so overtaken by distractions that they miss the real show.


As for TonyeBarcanista, Iya basira Aisha rice don finish oooo, nothing remaining for you.

lol, happy new year.

themilanway:
I can't in all honesty remember the last time I agreed with any of your post let alone liking it.

You nailed it.Spot on and well said.

Almost same here. My own observation is that TonyeBarcanista started turning this noble leaf since a few weeks ago already.

You've done a good job here, TonyeBarcanista.

P34c3
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Articulately elaborated Barcanista..

Image123:
i also want justice but at what price? The fight is surely affecting governance, perception is very important in government. Everybody is talking about it most, it is becoming a main distraction. Tough and wrong choices will likely increase too. Media is filled with it, Nigerians are becoming enmeshed in it, it even constitute the bulk of what is asked and talked about with government officials.
Get the sponsors of boko haram and move on.

If that how easy to get them and move on they would have seek your consultation.

dancewith:
While it is good to rout corruption in Nigeria, the hypocrisy in the present war against a segment of the political class makes the whole effort a big charade. This country is on its knees because politicians from all class have looted our commonwealth

I am sick to my guts when someone comes up and start spouting like a paid agent, cherrypicking points to paint the picture of corruption. An unbiased view would have pointed out that a complete review of defence budget from 1999 or even earlier would greatly showcase the entire political class that has pinned the country in bondage for decades.

Oh yes, you guessed it! They wouldn't say this because a longer review would expose their allies. The country is littered with corrupt people and almost all government agencies in Abuja, Lagos and elsewhere are enmeshed in corruption. All elections, including those sponsored by the present ruling class, were paid for with looted public funds

I am sick of people trying to act holier than thou, when a toddler with common sense can easily tell that this is a charade. A case of cherry picking those to hunt down whilst leaving the greater bulk of the thieves (in this case, in allied political class) to roam free, with pockets bulging with our commonwealth.

The op stated there exist sycophants who readily defends the looters. I will opine they defend the injustice in the entire charade, seeing as other allied looters are sitted back, having a laugh at all of you. And you, who wishes not to see that, is a leader of the sycophants you accuse.

When they are serious about the anti corruption war, right thinking folks would be at the forefront in support, not praise singers like you whose motives remain unclear

Well said. Even if they want to draw a line from 2010 till May 2016, if the fight on corruption must be taken seriously, then we must probe all the spendings by the various political actors at the federal, state and local government level in that dispensation. The ongoing politically motivated witch hunting will lead to nowhere. It's de ja vu.

Meanwhile, has the op looked at the proposed defense budget for 2016? How is it dramatically different from that of the Jonathan era?

irunooboo:
Aunty modath e lor se ounje ale fun okor yin Jor. E ti feran oshelu juu

Multi tasking lo ni aiye.... awon ara ile mi o mo ala, itoju to peeye oun to won ni gbogbo igba.... ema mi kan.

N3trill...ion! God you really make me laugh. You have a yearly budget of about N4.07trillion and you spend 2/3 of it on arms, are you well so? When did jona spend that amount. Please use real stats not some bigoted formed stats okay. Did boko haram tell you they don't have sponsors? Have you ever buy fuel from the black market at a cheap price talk more of buying arms? It seems you don't know what you are talking about

obailala:
Lol.. very laughable defense. over N3trillion spent on buying arms and you claim all the money may have been spent on blackmarket weapons but yet, soldiers didnt still have common bullets. This is the same blackmarket where even the same bokoharam and militants in the creeks easily go to and get arms at much cheaper rates. And yet the FG claims to have spent over N3trillion and yet no bullet, and still no bullets?

DropShot:
It's soffry soffry catch monkey.

PMB is aware of all this shenanigans hence his determination to make sure Dasuki didn't leave the country. The money in Dasuki's hands can realistically bring Nigeria to her knees if he escapes to fight the govt from outside.

We have read how Dasuki alowed weapons to be smuggled into the country without the knowledge of key military formations. So, invariably Dasuki funded the insurgency as a justification for bigger defence budget year in year out under GEJ.

I very much doubt GEJ knew about how he was arm twisted by Dasuki (of course an indication of his own incompetence too), hence he won't mind that Dasuki and any other person who joined him in ruining his regime are brought to justice.

I have no doubt that PMB will go beyond arms deal fund. He assured us that in his first media chat. So, not only the defence budget will be probed, expect DiezanniGate and many other mind boggling sleaze that went on under GEJ.

The economy bleeds today because of all the senseless looting by these eediots we entrusted our resources but children of hate and anger do not understand that today's economy is a result of those bad actions of many years past.


It's unfortunate no one has a choice of who should be his/her fellow countryman.

Very unfortunate, sire.

Budgeting and funding are two different things. Forget about trillions and billions of budgeted naira the question is whether the fund is made available. Let this administration embarked on policies that will move the nation forward.

Ecoterrorism:
he is only looking for where his bread will be buttered

Love your dp.

GBAM!.

OgbeifunErom:
It wont be long before IPOB Youths will descend on this thread and start raining abuse on the OP

This thread has raised interesting questions. The $2.1 billion Dasukigate is just a small proportion of the monumental funds illegally diverted and misappropriated by JonaOloshi using conduits such as Dasuki, Dokpesi, FFK, Metu and others.

President Buhari has the backing of 90% of Nigerians to identify all the culprits, locate those monies and prosecute all offenders.

The era of stealing and swallowing Yams is over. All IPOB Youths that are not happy with the new development can continue to chant Enyinmba Eyi on the internet.

This is a new Nigeria and Long may it live!

Image123:
Tonye has made a lot of points, though his motives eternally remain questionable.
My submission though is that the government focus on and punish the sponsors of boko haram and continue governance. There's too much dirt in the past and too much work to do. PMB realized these when he initially promised not to probe the past but build institutions that punish and prevent corruption from May 29,2015 and forward. We need to move on as much as possible and demand those institutions.

Bros,

1. Doubting TonyeBarcanista's motive in this his submission (and I dare say well thought out) makes me question your motive as well
2. Asking us to move on is tantamount to living in self denial. Corruption must be fought to the root.
3. How do you make demands from institutions laden with fraudulent and corrupt elements?

mapet:
Bros,

1. Doubting TonyeBarcanista's motive in this his submission (and I dare say well thought out) makes me question your motive as well
2. Asking us to move on is tantamount to living in self denial. Corruption must be fought to the root.
3. How do you make demands from institutions laden with fraudulent and corrupt elements?

The number (2) is a must! We all are victims

repogirl:
surprised this is coming from you but its the truth.

These things are distractions and the fickle minded people are so overtaken by distractions that they miss the real show.


As for TonyeBarcanista, Iya basira Aisha rice don finish oooo, nothing remaining for you.

APC and PMB will realise they are chasing shadows after trying to distract Nigerians

Probes must go on but I want to hear of creative policies that can check mate the fall in earnings of Forex, that encourage local production, that solves our power issues.....


PMB is about to mark one year in office and all he has is DasukiGate and not even the $20biilion petrol dollars

TonyeBarcanista:
Oga Lalasticlala and Dominique come let's join hands to fight the monster called corruption.



Resources:
www.nigerianobservernews.com/2015/01/budget-nigerian-ministry-defence-need-accountability/
www.premiumtimesng.com/news/168645-jonathan-gets-approval-to-borrow-1billion-to-fight-boko-haram.html

I have been eyeing creation of same topic, thanks for bringing it up in simple to understand terms and figures.
The defence budget actually went up from GEJ tenure. It went up with little to show for its relative bloat.

Sibrah:
I have been eyeing creation of same topic, thanks for bringing it up in simple to understand terms and figures.
The defence budget actually went up from GEJ tenure. It went up with little to show for its relative bloat.

Welcome sir

OgbeifunErom:
It wont be long before IPOB Youths will descend on this thread and start raining abuse on the OP

This thread has raised interesting questions. The $2.1 billion Dasukigate is just a small proportion of the monumental funds illegally diverted and misappropriated by JonaOloshi using conduits such as Dasuki, Dokpesi, FFK, Metu and others.

President Buhari has the backing of 90% of Nigerians to identify all the culprits, locate those monies and prosecute all offenders.

The era of stealing and swallowing Yams is over. All IPOB Youths that are not happy with the new development can continue to chant Enyinmba Eyi on the internet.

This is a new Nigeria and Long may it live!

you think IPOB youths give a flying fingerfukc if dasuki rots in jail or not?

address national issues without mentioning their names, they are the least of your problems right now.

You nailed it.QED

Sanchez01:
Honestly, the piece is insightful and quite interesting to read, although, some class of persons may not find it meaningful. Regardless, Jonathan's administration has caused Nigeria and Nigerians more harms than good. While the GEJ administration kept increasing defence budgets, security of lives and properties worsened. It was as if nothing was in place to see to the welfare of lives and properties. The ripple effects of fraud and corruption is too huge that even an Angel would fail if given the presidency.

I just pray those who act on sentiments and hate, coupled with unforgiving minds would read this part and realize that these corrupts elements have succeeded because of them.

It's quite surprising to see Barcanista tilting back to where he left off, or perhaps have learnt to builld his judgement on objectivity. Kudos

Ishiamu, you need to pray for a functioning head in this new year. It's way too earlier to act based on hate and emotion.

....I am sorry for those hailing the lousy and hungry attention-seeking fraud called Tonyebarcanuster on his so-called 'new leaf'.when the clown was campaigning for Gej and running down buhari he didnt know that Gej was corrupt abi??..such a bundle of inconsistency.

...one day apc,next pdp cos he taught they will win,now back to apc cos they won instead..and i am supposed to take this clown serious??..funny

...Guyman wey dey look for wetin to chop..rubbish!