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superior1:
How did you know we are both products of the same educational system??....arent you very dumb?

Back to subject matter, on what empirical information or source did you based your hypothetical church expenditure structure in civilized society on?

Comprehension comprehension!!

I never said we were both products of the same educational system. By " our educational system " , I was referring to the Nigerian educational system.
I guess you were educated in French?

Now back to the subject matter.

I have attended more than 5 different churches outside Nigeria, where the churches made monthly financial statements to the members.
I even opened a thread about one of them long time ago on this forum.

So, my dear sir, I am the empirical evidence. I speak from first hand personal experiences.

Even St.Leo's Catholic Church, where my father attends, gives them quarterly financial statements.

Pentecostal Christianity is mercantile Christianity.
It is for profit fraud centers perversely masquerading as churches.

plaetton:
So, my dear sir, I am the empirical evidence. I speak from first hand personal experiences.

why do you rule off other people's first hand experiences but expect people to pay attention to yours ?

KingEbukasBlog:
why do you rule off other people's first hand experiences but expect people to pay attention to yours ?

Most times your responses don't make sense.

What is the improbable claim that I have made in this instance?

Sometimes I really get tired of arguing with you juvies.

plaetton:
Comprehension comprehension!!

I never said we were both products of the same educational system. By " our educational system " , I was referring to the Nigerian educational system.
I guess you were educated in French?

Now back to the subject matter.

I have attended more than 5 different churches outside Nigeria, where the churches made monthly financial statements to the members.
I even opened a thread about one of them long time ago on this forum.

So, my dear sir, I am the empirical evidence. I speak from first hand personal experiences.

Even St.Leo's Catholic Church, where my father attends, gives them quarterly financial statements.

Pentecostal Christianity is mercantile Christianity.
It is for profit fraud centers perversely masquerading as churches.

Well, you will still not know under which system I studied, enough of that

KingEbukasBlog took his response from my mouth, your observation is subjective and different from my observations, whose observation should be the standard for measurement then?, mind you, just last year alone, I traveled more than 7 western countries.

Pentecostal Christianity is mercantile Christianity.
It is for profit fraud centers perversely masquerading as churches

Based on what study did you made the highlighted conclusion?

plaetton:
Most times your responses don't make sense.

What is the improbable claim that I have made in this instance?

Sometimes I really get tired of arguing with you juvies.

Im telling the truth . You have never paid any attention to any christian's first hand experience cos you think its all lies but you expect to pay attention to yours

plaetton:
Most times your responses don't make sense.

What is the improbable claim that I have made in this instance?

Sometimes I really get tired of arguing with you juvies.

Who adjudge what makes sense or not, you?

superior1:
Well, you will still not know under which system I studied, enough of that

KingEbukasBlog took his response from my mouth, your observation is subjective and different from my observations, whose observation should be the standard for measurement then?, mind you, just last year alone, I traveled more than 7 western countries.

Pentecostal Christianity is mercantile Christianity.
It is for profit fraud centers perversely masquerading as churches

Based on what study did you made the highlighted conclusion?

Thank you ! Most of the inferences Plaetton makes are usually based on his own experiences , feelings or thoughts . He now expects us to use his own experiences/thoughts/feelings on a subject matter as the yardstick .

superior1:
Well, you will still not know under which system I studied, enough of that

KingEbukasBlog took his response from my mouth, your observation is subjective and different from my observations, whose observation should be the standard for measurement then?, mind you, just last year alone, I traveled more than 7 western countries.

Pentecostal Christianity is mercantile Christianity.
It is for profit fraud centers perversely masquerading as churches

Based on what study did you made the highlighted conclusion?

You know, I do question the educational credentials you boasted about earlier on.
You lack comprehension skills , as well as an ability to articulate a coherent argument, refutation or rebuttals.

Your questions are juvenile.

You have not for once addressed the issue if church financial accountability, which is what this entire thread is all about.
If you think Nigerian Churches should not be financially accountable to their flock, just come out and say it.
Don't be shy.

Right from the first page, I suspected that you were a pentecostal fraudster ( those who feed fat on church money).
I am convinced that you are, considering how averse and hostile you have been on the simple issue of church financial accountability.

Make an argument for or against how churches in Nigeria should or should not account for money received.
Simple, Bob.

superior1:
Who adjudge what makes sense or not, you?

Another really silly juvenile question.

If you are not smart enough to discern what makes sense and what doesn't, then sorry for you.

plaetton:
You know, I do question the educational credentials you boasted about earlier on.
You lack comprehension skills , as well as an ability to articulate a coherent argument, refutation or rebuttals.

Your questions are juvenile.

You have not for once addressed the issue if church financial accountability, which is what this entire thread is all about.
If you think Nigerian Churches should not be financially accountable to their flock, just come out and say it.
Don't be shy.

Right from the first page, I suspected that you were a pentecostal fraudster ( those who feed fat on church money).
I am convinced that you are, considering how averse and hostile you have been on the simple issue of church financial accountability.

Make an argument for or against how churches in Nigeria should or should not account for money received.
Simple, Bob.

The problem is you are dumber than you suspected and I dont take people like you serious. You are full of unfounded presumptions and assumptions, your facts only exist in the hollow of your degenerated grey matter.

You made unfounded claims and ask for it to be explained, seriously?...you need to look for demented and jobless moro.nx like you to do that

plaetton:
Another really silly juvenile question.

If you are not smart enough to discern what makes sense and what doesn't, then sorry for you.

You need to be sorry for yourself

superior1:
The problem is you are dumber than you suspected and I dont take people like you serious. You are full of unfounded presumptions and assumptions, your facts only exist in the hollow of your degenerated grey matter.

You made unfounded claims and ask for it to be explained, seriously?...you need to look for demented and jobless moro.nx like you to do that

Mention one unfounded claim I have made on this entire thread.
It's not enough to say " unfounded claims ". Point them out and refute them. Show me how dumb I am.

You barely comprehend simple sentences, let alone being able to articulate your own arguments.

If you don't take me serious, then WTF are you disgracing yourself and your graduate degree in this public forum

I told you long ago that you are not compelled to post if you have nothing meaningful to ad to this thread.

Some people can be soooooo Dumb.

plaetton:
Most times your responses don't make sense.

What is the improbable claim that I have made in this instance?

Sometimes I really get tired of arguing with you juvies.

Lol...my problem with Ebuka is that he is surrounded by very dumb people who praise him whenever he makes his noise. As far as I am concerned his reasoning capacity is the lowest I have seen in this forum.

plaetton:
Mention one unfounded claim I have made on this entire thread.
It's not enough to say " unfounded claims ". Point them out and refute them. Show me how dumb I am.

You barely comprehend simple sentences, let alone being able to articulate your own arguments.

If you don't take me serious, then WTF are you disgracing yourself and your graduate degree in this public forum

I told you long ago that you are not compelled to post if you have nothing meaningful to ad to this thread.

Some people can be soooooo Dumb.

I told you you are dumber than you suspected


Pentecostal Christianity is mercantile Christianity.
It is for profit fraud centers perversely masquerading as churches

Base on what study did you arrive at above statement?

superior1:
I told you you are dumber than you suspected


Pentecostal Christianity is mercantile Christianity.
It is for profit fraud centers perversely masquerading as churches

Base on what study did you arrive at above statement?

You can't be serious.

The very thread itself is based on the op's experience in church today.
Same "give me your money" shenanigans are repeated a thousand times throughout Nigeria everyday.

Pentecostal Christianity is mercantilism of the most dubious kind masquerading as a religion.

Every 6 year old in Nigeria knows that.

What is Evangelical Christianity without money ?

I know of relatives who have been commanded to strip their pockets in church.

I don't even know why I am wasting time with a pentecostal fraudster.
Obviously, people like me are bad market for your pocket.

Creflo dollar is a fraudster.
Kenneth Copeland is a fraudster.
Pat Robertson is fraudster.
Benny Hinn is a fraudster.
Eddie long was a fraudster until nemesis caught up.
So many of them, I can't even keep up.

Need I begin to mention Nigeria's hordes of Evangelical fraudsters ?
These are business ( mercantilism) empires built on the fraud of religion.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y1xJAVZxXg

plaetton

You can't be serious.

I am, I deal with facts....no silly assumptions

The very thread itself is based on the op's experience in church today.
Same "give me your money" shenanigans are repeated a thousand times throughout Nigeria everyday.

Wrong, the thread is about the poster pastor's message about the relationship between giving and receiving financial blessings from God.

Pentecostal Christianity is mercantilism of the most dubious kind masquerading as a religion.

Based on what study, you see why you are full of unfounded and dumb claims?

Every 6 year old in Nigeria knows that.

Even if you meant this figuratively, it is still a very silly and dumb generalization.

What is Evangelical Christianity without money ?

One of the factors of production is Capital, if you took college economics, you will know this, it is not limited to any Christian body.

I know of relatives who have been commanded to strip their pockets in church.

Subjective, I know of people who were blessed financially through churches.

I don't even know why I am wasting time with a pentecostal fraudster.
Obviously, people like me are bad market for your pocket.

Unfounded claim, you see how dumb thou art?

Lets be smart here. We know giving to others who are in need is what our ancestors practiced and saw as a good virtue. But Christianity has hijacked this moral and destroyed it. Giving to the church is plain silly and an act of ignorance. Give to the needy and in return you may have helped a future helper.

plaetton:
What is Evangelical Christianity without money ?

The million dollar question.

superior1:
I am, I deal with facts....no silly assumptions


Wrong, the thread is about the poster pastor's message about the relationship between giving and receiving financial blessings from God.



Based on what study, you see why you are full of unfounded and dumb claims?



Even if you meant this figuratively, it is still a very silly and dumb generalization.




One of the factors of production is Capital, if you took college economics, you will know this, it is not limited to any Christian body.



Subjective, I know of people who were blessed financially through churches.



Unfounded claim, you see how dumb thou art?

Here is another unfounded claim for you.

https://www.nairaland.com/2871749/nigerian-churches-culture-extreme-exploitation

Ive learnt so much here but i still believe theres more to prayer than giving.

cardoctor:
Its so good to hear everyone's opinion. My offerings every Sunday is a five figure sum. I won't change it for less but would rather increase it as long as it goes towards meeting the needs of the church and reaching out to those who need help.

I still believe that prayer is the master key to getting answers from God. I remember when I never had any money to give as offering but God still provided for my financial needs.

On the other hand, giving is compelling God to provide for us regardless of what our needs may be in prayers
to him.

Prayer was never the master key for anything . Don't be decieved.
It is this subtle deception (based on justification by works i.e the more i pray the more i can achieve b.s)
that there's so much error in the church and so many dissapointments.
Look in the bible, do you see anywhere where prayer is extolled as the key?

cardoctor:
In church today my pastor said during offering time that "Prayer is not the key to receiving financial blesings. Giving is". Does that mean that we shouldn't pray but give instead. How true is it? Please kindly advice me.

Your pastor lied to you in order that he could continue to steal from you while you remain oblivious to the truth.

Scripture states that God does not answer the prayers of the unrighteous; the pleas and requests and every petition of the unrighteous are tainted by their sins(disobedience/unholiness) and are hence an abomination to God. So, what is definite is that even your many pleas for the forgiveness of sins are not answered by God given that God made no special exemptions for that kind of pleas. No amount of praying can cause God to change His mind regarding that which concerns the unrighteous by the way. So if you are thinking of prescribing more prayers that only means you really don't understand or know God at all.

God, however, openly bragged about how He only answers the prayers of the righteous; He delights in granting them the desires of their heart meaning that they are those who are loved by Him. For this very reason, Jesus Christ urged His followers to seek first the Kingdom of God and God's Righteousness in order that all things— the blessings and rewards of the Kingdom of God(holiness), answers to prayers included—shall be added on to them. And as Jesus Christ explained in His Gospel, the only way to become Holy, and then also Righteous, is by way of continuous submission and obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, god's Truth and Law in the Kingdom of god - John 8 vs 31 - 36 & John 14 vs 15 - 23. Jesus Christ is the only way. Obedience to the Truth of God is the one and only path to righteousness. No amount of praying and other religious rituals can accomplish that.

Ask yourself the important question which is, is God a liar and your pastor the one who holds the truth instead?

KingEbukasBlog:
To build and maintain the church , to help the poor , for evangelical works . You can join wifey and kids next Sunday to understand how the Church works

You actually think God sent you to build churches and fund evangelical works using His name?

cardoctor:
Its so good to hear everyone's opinion. My offerings every Sunday is a five figure sum. I won't change it for less but would rather increase it as long as it goes towards meeting the needs of the church and reaching out to those who need help.I still believe that prayer is the master key to getting answers from God. I remember when I never had any money to give as offering but God still provided for my financial needs. On the other hand, giving is compelling God to provide for us regardless of what our needs may be in prayers to him.

LOL.... compelling God? God is not in any way compelled to do any thing for the unrighteous, and He certainly does not answer the prayers of the unrighteous. You see, as far as the unrighteous are concerned, their every prayer, giving, offering, praise, sacrifice, work, plea, etc., do not reach God because they are made filthy by their sins(unholiness) and as such an abomination to God who cannot abide unholiness.

So how do you compel God to do what God said He will never abide? Ask yourself this, is God a liar?

God2man:
■ Prosperity is a complex and complicated topic, some will give and get instant breakthrough while some Christians have to deal with sins of their great great grandfathers to the fourth generations by praying and fasting for the blood of Jesus to cleanse them. It is not easy to explain.

aka a Lie! That is what your prosperity ideas are of, lies!

Just to let you know that prayer is paramount. Matthew 7:7 said ask and you shall receive........, if you don't ask (pray), how will you receive. Also take note of the Lord's prayer, what is it called? THE LORD'S PRAYER (there is a prayers in it) , meaning it is key to pray.
NOTE: it is in the place of prayer that a person receives what he or she will give out or sow

Just to let you know that prayer is paramount. Matthew 7:7 said ask and you shall receive........, if you don't ask (pray), how will you receive. Also take note of the Lord's prayer, what is it called? The Lord's Prayer (there is a prayers in it) , meaning it is key to pray.
Note: it is in the place of prayer that a person receives what he or she will give out or sow