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agaugust:
Nobody ever said Nigeria has C-803 anti-ship missile as at now, but it can be acquired for our stealth OPVs if war arises, same way your guys claim South Africa can buy more Exocet missiles.

You dont have monopoly of buying new weapons. Every country can do that.

C-803 and C-802 misssiles exist, C-803 developed but not yet exported, C-802 already exported. JF-17 Thunder jet carries the C-802 missile just like warships
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Just shove that talk to yourself because we are not dreamers. I can as well tell you how SAN will buy aircraft carrier and big weapons. So, shut up.

Patchesagain:

So you are saying that the exact same combat suite does not have the exact same data?

Yes or no

There is no evidence that they are the exact same. However, we have seen the combat suite of your Valour class, and they are obsolete.


The onus is on you to provide with technical data that they are not.

Henry240:
There is evidence that they are the exact same.

So you say:

1. They are the same

2. But only ours is obsolete and theirs is not

Hmmm... seems our trip to India and China is causing you to have a mental breakdown

Patchesagain:
So you say:

1. They are the same

2. But only ours is obsolete and theirs is not

Hmmm... seems our trip to India and China is causing you to have a mental breakdown

That's obviously a typo!


There is no evidence that they are the exact same,

Henry240:
That's obviously a typo!


There is no evidence that they are the exact same,

Evidence has been posted - same systems were fitted
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6524:fact-file-valour-class-small-guided-missile-frigates-&catid=79:fact-files

Now, if the combat suite is the same... does it mean they are obsolete?

I cant wait to see the mental gymanstics you need to do to get out of this one

Patchesagain:
Evidence has been posted - same systems were fitted
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6524:fact-file-valour-class-small-guided-missile-frigates-&catid=79:fact-files

Now, if the combat suite is the same... does it mean they are obsolete?

I cant wait to see the mental gymanstics you need to do to get out of this one

You see what I have done, provided sound, technical proof that the combat suite in the Valour corvette is not modern. In the same vein, i want you to provide sound technical proof that supports your argument that they are modern and are exact same as on the la-fayette, F100 etc etc .



N/B: Please, no emotions or emotional posts are allowed.

[b]
241.7 the Detexis system attempts to achieve system reliability by means of a combination of dual-redundant, dual-homed Fast Ethernet switches, duplicated Network Interface Cards ("NICs" and software-implemented data packet duplication and selection logic, but reliability is compromised by the following :

241.7.1 the use of duplicated NICs is undesirable since hardware is doubled and each NIC requires the processing resources of its host, which is limited;

241.7.2 data packet duplication and selection is a potentially dangerous redundancy mechanism in mission-critical systems, since it violates the atomic commitment principle, namely that data transactions should either complete successfully ("commit" or fail completely ("abort", with no partial state. This is violated by the transmission of duplicate data packets.

242. The Detexis system also failed to comply with the requirements of the NSR quoted above in the following respects :

242.1 in the Detexis system the combat suite as a whole is not "based on" an architecture using a databus. Only the CMS component of the combat suite utilises a databus. The CMS in turn connects to the rest of the combat suite by multiple point-to-point (or hard-wired) links; and

242.2 the databus in the Detexis system is thus not a "multirole" databus, since it provides functionality to the CMS only and cannot provide clock synchronisation nor timestamping services nor bulk data transfer services to the combat suite, those being inter alia the functionalities of the databus specified by the URS (Para. 7.1.1 thereof);


242.3 the combat suite architecture based on the Detexis system is essentially a point-to-point system and such a system cannot be described as "Mordern".[/b]

Henry240:
You see what I have done, provided sound, technical proof that the combat suite in the Valour corvette is not modern. In the same vein, i want you to provide sound technical proof that supports your argument that they are modern and are exact same as on the la-fayette, F100 etc etc .



N/B: Please, no emotions or emotional posts are allowed.

I just provided you with proof that it is used on those vessels.
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6524:fact-file-valour-class-small-guided-missile-frigates-&catid=79:fact-files

Thus, based on what you know... are those vessles then obsolete?

Answer the question and then we can deal with your "technical data"

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Henry240:
You see what I have done, provided sound, technical proof that the combat suite in the Valour corvette is not modern. In the same vein, i want you to provide sound technical proof that supports your argument that they are modern and are exact same as on the la-fayette, F100 etc etc .
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N/B: Please, no emotions or emotional posts are allowed.

In fact its your post that's emotional, or should i say, the guy you're quoting, he was devastated when his microscopic company(Compared to Thales) lost the bid to supply the information management systems on our Valours, PLUS this man was absolutely demolished during the Seriti commission.

Patchesagain:
I just provided you with proof that it is used on those vessels.
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6524:fact-file-valour-class-small-guided-missile-frigates-&catid=79:fact-files

Thus, based on what you know... are those vessles then obsolete?

Answer the question and then we can deal with your "technical data"

A Toyota Camry 1992 model and a Toyota Camry 2016 are both Toyota camry's...........



Provide the technical data of the F100 or Lafayette, you've done no such.



Since you're unable to provide evidence, my work here is done.

jln115:
In fact its your post that's emotional, or should i say, the guy you're quoting, he was devastated when his microscopic company(Compared to Thales) lost the bid to supply the information management systems on our Valours, PLUS this man was absolutely demolished during the Seriti commission.

Emotions doesn't equal technical data. Prove us wrong with your data, Jillingy.


Was he demolished with no proof?

Henry240:
Emotions doesn't equal technical data. Prove us wrong with your data, Jillingy.


Was he demolished with no proof?

Yes exactly!! That's why Mr Young was destroyed at the Seriti commission.

South Africans, French and Germans on the team

ESACC brings together German Frigate Consortium GFC, comprising German naval shipyards Blohm & Voss and HDW (now both part of the ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems group), and TNA, a consortium comprising Thales Naval France (now part of DCNS) and Thales's South African partner African Defence Systems (ADS).

For this complex programme, GFC was in charge of the platform and propulsion systems, built in Germany, with TNA handling ship and combat system design and integration in Simon's Town, South Africa.



Proven combat management system

The combat system features French-developed sensors and weapons and is controlled by a Tavitac combat management system (CMS). Tavitac has already proven its capability on the French Navy's La Fayette-class frigates and the Sawari programme with Saudi Arabia. The South African customer was closely involved throughout the programme, sending a permanent team to supervise operations at the Hamburg and Kiel shipyards in Germany. Meanwhile, a team of systems engineers from TNA worked in Germany during the conceptual design phase from 2000 onwards to plan integration of the combat systems on South Africa's warships.

https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/canada/defence/san-pc

Henry240:
A Toyota Camry 1992 model and a Toyota Camry 2016 are both Toyota camry's...........



Provide the technical data of the F100 or Lafayette, you've done no such.



Since you're unable to provide evidence, my work here is done.

henry, I have just posted a link which says THE SAME combat suite was fitted in those vessels.

So... if they have the same system would they then be obsolete?

Answer the question and then I promise I will deal with your "technical data".

I cant understand why you wont answer the question.

jln115:
Yes exactly!! That's why Mr Young was destroyed at the Seriti commission.

South Africans, French and Germans on the team

ESACC brings together German Frigate Consortium GFC, comprising German naval shipyards Blohm & Voss and HDW (now both part of the ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems group), and TNA, a consortium comprising Thales Naval France (now part of DCNS) and Thales's South African partner African Defence Systems (ADS).

For this complex programme, GFC was in charge of the platform and propulsion systems, built in Germany, with TNA handling ship and combat system design and integration in Simon's Town, South Africa.



Proven combat management system

The combat system features French-developed sensors and weapons and is controlled by a Tavitac combat management system (CMS). Tavitac has already proven its capability on the French Navy's La Fayette-class frigates and the Sawari programme with Saudi Arabia. The South African customer was closely involved throughout the programme, sending a permanent team to supervise operations at the Hamburg and Kiel shipyards in Germany. Meanwhile, a team of systems engineers from TNA worked in Germany during the conceptual design phase from 2000 onwards to plan integration of the combat systems on South Africa's warships.

https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/canada/defence/san-pc

So fvcking wrecked

pic related

jln115:
Yes exactly!! That's why Mr Young was destroyed at the Seriti commission.

South Africans, French and Germans on the team

ESACC brings together German Frigate Consortium GFC, comprising German naval shipyards Blohm & Voss and HDW (now both part of the ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems group), and TNA, a consortium comprising Thales Naval France (now part of DCNS) and Thales's South African partner African Defence Systems (ADS).

For this complex programme, GFC was in charge of the platform and propulsion systems, built in Germany, with TNA handling ship and combat system design and integration in Simon's Town, South Africa.



Proven combat management system

The combat system features French-developed sensors and weapons and is controlled by a Tavitac combat management system (CMS). Tavitac has already proven its capability on the French Navy's La Fayette-class frigates and the Sawari programme with Saudi Arabia. The South African customer was closely involved throughout the programme, sending a permanent team to supervise operations at the Hamburg and Kiel shipyards in Germany. Meanwhile, a team of systems engineers from TNA worked in Germany during the conceptual design phase from 2000 onwards to plan integration of the combat systems on South Africa's warships.

https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/canada/defence/san-pc

Marketing gimmicks doesn't equal fact.

As you can see, I'm providing you with facts, not marketing gimmicks.

No Facts = No Bueno.


Provide facts.

[b]

241.2 furthermore, the combat suite based on Detexis system is essentially a hard-wired point-to-point solution rather than being bus-based and its potential for growth and upgrading is thus severely curtailed; this being directly contrary to the SAN's own formally stated RFO requirement;
[DT1-0321.pdf]


241.3 the Detexis system does not provide synchronised clocks for the time-stamping of data;
241.4 the transfer capability of the Detexis system is only 165 bytes in 6,5 milliseconds, which falls far short of the capability required by the URS (4 000 bytes in not more than 5 milliseconds);


241.5 the Detexis system's node-to-node synchronisation accuracy is at best only of the order of 10 milliseconds (10 000 microseconds), contrary to the 500 microseconds in a worst-case scenario as specified in the URS - a factor of 20 times worse. In fact, the end-to-end synchronisation accuracy of the combat suite based on the Detexis system will be considerably worse than 10 milliseconds due to its hard-wired component. This accuracy is critical to the combat suite's air defence function;[/b]

Henry240:
Marketing gimmicks doesn't equal fact.

As you can see, I'm providing you with facts, not marketing gimmicks.

No Facts = No Bueno.


Provide facts.

How is that a Marketing gimmick?

Fact is the ships have the exact same combat suite!!


The combat system features French-developed sensors and weapons and is controlled by a Tavitac combat management system (CMS). Tavitac has already proven its capability on the French Navy's La Fayette-class frigates and the Sawari programme with Saudi Arabia.
https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/canada/defence/san-pc

The Tavitac system is also fitted to the French Navy's La Fayette-class frigates
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6524:fact-file-valour-class-small-guided-missile-frigates-&catid=79:fact-files

There, TWO SOURCES

So, if valour class is obsolete... are those ships obsolete as well?

Henry, it shows how little you think of your own argument when you refuse to acknowladge other sources

Henry240:
Marketing gimmicks doesn't equal fact.

As you can see, I'm providing you with facts, not marketing gimmicks.

No Facts = No Bueno.


Provide facts.

Wow!! new lows Henry!! Aren't you and Agugbugu always calling for sources straight from the manufacturer??.....Now that i give you one you call it a marketing gimmick??

Another funny thing is, you are calling someones disgruntled opinion a fact??................Is the butthurt driving you insane??


South Africans, French and Germans on the team

ESACC brings together German Frigate Consortium GFC, comprising German naval shipyards Blohm & Voss and HDW (now both part of the ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems group), and TNA, a consortium comprising Thales Naval France (now part of DCNS) and Thales's South African partner African Defence Systems (ADS).

For this complex programme, GFC was in charge of the platform and propulsion systems, built in Germany, with TNA handling ship and combat system design and integration in Simon's Town, South Africa.



Proven combat management system

The combat system features French-developed sensors and weapons and is controlled by a Tavitac combat management system (CMS). Tavitac has already proven its capability on the French Navy's La Fayette-class frigates and the Sawari programme with Saudi Arabia. The South African customer was closely involved throughout the programme, sending a permanent team to supervise operations at the Hamburg and Kiel shipyards in Germany. Meanwhile, a team of systems engineers from TNA worked in Germany during the conceptual design phase from 2000 onwards to plan integration of the combat systems on South Africa's warships.

https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/canada/defence/san-pc

jln115:
Wow!! new lows Henry!! Aren't you and Agugbugu always calling for sources straight from the manufacturer??.....Now that i give you one you call it a marketing gimmick??

Another funny thing is, you are calling someones disgruntled opinion a fact??................Is the butthurt driving you insane??


South Africans, French and Germans on the team

ESACC brings together German Frigate Consortium GFC, comprising German naval shipyards Blohm & Voss and HDW (now both part of the ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems group), and TNA, a consortium comprising Thales Naval France (now part of DCNS) and Thales's South African partner African Defence Systems (ADS).

For this complex programme, GFC was in charge of the platform and propulsion systems, built in Germany, with TNA handling ship and combat system design and integration in Simon's Town, South Africa.



Proven combat management system

The combat system features French-developed sensors and weapons and is controlled by a Tavitac combat management system (CMS). Tavitac has already proven its capability on the French Navy's La Fayette-class frigates and the Sawari programme with Saudi Arabia. The South African customer was closely involved throughout the programme, sending a permanent team to supervise operations at the Hamburg and Kiel shipyards in Germany. Meanwhile, a team of systems engineers from TNA worked in Germany during the conceptual design phase from 2000 onwards to plan integration of the combat systems on South Africa's warships.

https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/canada/defence/san-pc

[size=15pt]The Valour Class being invited to India and China for high-tempo exercises has driven Henry insa.ne!! [/size]

Patchesagain:
[size=15pt]The Valour Class being invited to India and China for high-tempo exercises has driven Henry insa.ne!! [/size]

Jap, always enjoy my time on NL!!

anyway,in your last pic you can clearly see were the extra 8 ASMs can be will be fitted on SAS Spioenkop!!

mzilakazi:
Can you give us a prove of your claim that the valours are only armed with 13 Exocet missiles?

We don't need a total of 32 missiles to sink Nigerian corvette, only one will be enough.

Your navy is small and is only capable to fight pirates and cannot stand SAN. Your Navy cannot project force anywhere outside Nigeria and can never stop SAN in attack.

In ur dreams, come & taste ur defeat in our hands and lets waste ur resources a bit!

If it wasn't for the gun, these two ships would look Identical!!

DonBobes:
In ur dreams, come & taste ur defeat in our hands and lets waste ur resources a bit!

We will wreck your brown water navy until you have nothing left.

DonBobes:
In ur dreams, come & taste ur defeat in our hands and lets waste ur resources a bit!

1 Sub, and its bye bye Nigerian Navy!!

mzilakazi:
We will wreck your brown water navy until you have nothing left.

D last tym i checked "SAN does nt even operate its own sandy shore navy. So stop deceiving urselvs. Dnt look or think dos weak countries bordering u is enof to say u r strong militarily in dt region.
Without blinkn an eye NA wil DECIMATE ur military without thinkn it ever happened.
Ur country has never engaged in any serious war. Moreover its dos white folks ther dt r helpin & covering ur as$es there. How i wish u can hv a little taste of wat Boko haram is in SADF. Ur whole country will be in ruins! Lazy as$ military. With all ur gadgets we will DECIMATE ur military. Weaklings!

DonBobes:
D last tym i checked "SAN does nt even operate its own sandy shore navy. So stop deceiving urselvs. Dnt look or think dos weak countries bordering u is enof to say u r strong militarily in dt region.
Without blinkn an eye NA wil DECIMATE ur military without thinkn it ever happened.
Ur country has never engaged in any serious war. Moreover its dos white folks ther dt r helpin & covering ur as$es there. How i wish u can hv a little taste of wat Boko haram is in SADF. Ur whole country will be in ruins! Lazy as$ military. With all ur gadgets we will DECIMATE ur military. Weaklings!

Brown water navy that does not have submarines and frigates is nothing to be marched to our navy. Such navies will perish and kneel down before us in tears of asking for forgiveness. We will surely have your military for a breakfast. We are surely not BH.

The hawks police branch of South Africa have successfully arrested two thieves who were said to be employees of State Security Agency.


http://m.ewn.co.za/2016/01/12/SSA-robbery-One-accused-identified-as-director-generals-protector

DonBobes:
D 1.last tym i checked "SAN does nt even operate its own sandy shore navy. So stop deceiving urselvs. Dnt look or think dos weak countries bordering u is enof to say u r strong militarily in dt region.
Without blinkn an eye NA wil DECIMATE ur military without thinkn it ever happened.
2.Ur country has never engaged in any serious war Moreover its 3.4[b]dos white folks ther dt r helpin & covering ur as$es there[/b]. How i wish u can hv a 3[b]little taste of wat Boko haram[/b] is in SADF. Ur whole country will be in ruins! Lazy as$ military. With all ur gadgets we will DECIMATE ur military. Weaklings!

1. When were you is South Africa to check if we operate our Navy or not??

Currently we have 2 Frigates operational, SAS Spioenkop just sailed for India and SAS Mendi sails our shores daily, SAS Amatola is undergoing see trails after her major refit and SAS Isandlwana will be receiving her refit any time now.

There are also 2 Subs operational at the moment.

all 3 of our OPVs are operational.

All 4 of our River Class are also operational.

JUST REMEMBER: 1 SAN Sub= 0 Nigerian Navy

2.
1st Boer War
2nd Boer War
WW1 SWA campaign
WW2 North African campaign
Korean War
Border War

So tell me what real war has Nigeria ever fought.

3. M23 was even more powerful than Boko Harm, yet it took the UNs FIB which consists mostly out of SANDF troops, a matter of months to destroy the M23.

[b]4.[/b]White, Black, Coloured ect ect nobody gives a fvck because we are all South African.

jln115:
1. When were you is South Africa to check if we operate our Navy or not??

Currently we have 2 Frigates operational, SAS Spioenkop just sailed for India and SAS Mendi sails our shores daily, SAS Amatola is undergoing see trails after her major refit and SAS Isandlwana will be receiving her refit any time now.

There are also 2 Subs operational at the moment.

all 3 of our OPVs are operational.

All 4 of our River Class are also operational.

JUST REMEMBER: 1 SAN Sub= 0 Nigerian Navy

2.
1st Boer War
2nd Boer War
WW1 SWA campaign
WW2 North African campaign
Korean War
Border War

So tell me what real war has Nigeria ever fought.

3. M23 was even more powerful than Boko Harm, yet it took the UNs FIB which consists mostly out of SANDF troops, a matter of months to destroy the M23.

[b]4.[/b]White, Black, Coloured ect ect nobody gives a fvck because we are all South African.

U mean the m23 dt congo & tanzania fought & was almost won before u weak military came to tak d glory?

Moreover dos WWs wer nt fought by SA, dey wer meanly used as puppets by d allies. SA was gvin most of d equipment to wage d war, so wat r u blabbing about?

jln115:
If it wasn't for the gun, these two ships would look Identical!!

Bwhahaaha

You finally proved me right and shöt yöursëlf in the hëad !

The two ships photos you posted clearly shows the modern stealth diamond shaped 76mm Super Rapid gun on the Algerian Meko frigate and the obsolete 1970s round shaped 76mm Compact gun on your South African Meko Corvette.

# Suicide Post......

....its not good to tell lies at random, God don catch you for us dis time

jln115:
1 Sub, and its bye bye Nigerian Navy!!

Your sub will be sunk by NAF when it is forced to snorkel after 48 hours underwater.

mzilakazi:
Brown water navy that does not have submarines and frigates is nothing to be marched to our navy. Such navies will perish and kneel down before us in tears of asking for forgiveness. We will surely have your military for a breakfast. We are surely not BH.

You have 3 Exocet missiles per Valour corvette, old 1970s gun on your ships, short 15 km range and short 8 km ceiling Umkhonto missiles on your now downgraded Valour Patrol Corvettes.

We have two stealth ships with anti-missile defences, modern stealth gun with longer range, and NAF will sink your lone submarine when it snorkels every two days.

Your frigates just got downgraded to mere VALOUR PATROL CORVETTES officially downgraded by your own South African navy....fake blue water force !

DonBobes:
U mean the m23 dt congo & tanzania fought & was almost won before u weak military came to tak d glory?

Moreover dos WWs wer nt fought by SA, dey wer meanly used as puppets by d allies. SA was gvin most of d equipment to wage d war, so wat r u blabbing about?

No I mean the M23 which were destroyed by the UN FIB with support from Rooivalk.

During WW1 campaign we Single-handedly drove Germany out of SWA(now Namibia) also google battle of Delville wood of the 1st WW

Nigeria have been given secondhand hand me down equipment for years, in fact your entire Navy consists of gifted secondhand equipment, Just last week US gifted you second hand MRAPs, You have several APC,Armoured Cars that were gifted to you/left behind during your colonial years.