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AlmuFty01:
Allah does not love the unbelievers due to obvious reasons.

AlmuFty01:
Fine....... So far yyou read and comprehend the thread, contribute like a learner my friend.

truthman2012:
How do you reason?

How am to be a learner in my own thread?

I am not a contributor to this thread, am the owner.

How old are you? You must be a small boy.

malvisguy212:
what are the reason ?

AlmuFty01:
Go to my last post you will find the reasons therein

samted:
Turning the other cheek is simply taking the higher road. Jesus didn't want barbarians as followers...apparently mohammed didn't mind. Slap me, I slap you is only a recipe for disaster...except you're tryin to tell us that Islam is here to cook and serve disaster...

samted:
Turning the other cheek is simply taking the higher road. Jesus didn't want barbarians as followers...apparently mohammed didn't mind. Slap me, I slap you is only a recipe for disaster...except you're tryin to tell us that Islam is here to cook and serve disaster...

malvisguy212:
alright, Allah does not love the unbelievers to whatever the reason may be, one thing for sure, Allah love is NOT unconditional.

AlmuFty01:
Explain the love of jesus to the unbelievers (as the case may be or those who doesn't believe in him)
Mind you, is there written in Bible that no sinner will go unpunished.
Can you explain how this goes contrary to what I am explaining from Quran

malvisguy212:
ask yourself,if God hate the unbeliever, how will he repent ? In the bible, God first Love us before we Love Him.

Matthew 5:43-48New International
Version (NIV)
Love for Enemies
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’
44 But I tell you, love your enemies and
pray for those who persecute you,
45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
46 If you love those who love you, what
reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that?
47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?
48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

1 Timothy 1:15
Here is a trustworthy saying that
deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus
came into the world to save sinners--of
whom I am the worst.

malvisguy212:
ask yourself,if God hate the unbeliever, how will he repent ? In the bible, God first Love us before we Love Him.

Matthew 5:43-48New International
Version (NIV)
Love for Enemies
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’
44 But I tell you, love your enemies and
pray for those who persecute you,
45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
46 If you love those who love you, what
reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that?
47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?
48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

1 Timothy 1:15
Here is a trustworthy saying that
deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus
came into the world to save sinners--of
whom I am the worst.

AlmuFty01:
Why you resulted in muddy issues. If not all my previous post definitely one had explained this to the fullest.
If Allah didn't love us would he spare you on earth? Will He provides all your needs, in fact all Muslims found saying; بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم. Meaning : In the name of Allah the most beneficent the most merciful. The beneficent there means, whether you worship Him or not, you keep on His warnings or not as long as you remain on earth He will always provides you need that just the reason for the sun to shine on all of us, rain fall for all and likewise other provisions without restrictions on a nation or race, group of people or individual simply because they are apostasy.
So it requires your personal dedication to just look at how we Muslim always passionate about the attitude of some people even the Muslims by name when they are committing all sort of artirocities and do our best to correct that just as am doing now.
Had you aware of intense sine anyone found taken Quran for joke? You will always love to do serious research before taking a stand.

OLAJADON:
also bros did jesus say you should worship him?

OLAJADON:
u not getting my explanation islam is not a religion of coward or weak, it teaches us to be accomodating and forgivin but when situations arise do the needful.

truthman2012:
I notice muslims don't forgive anyone that offends them because allahh permits retaliation.

[Quran16:126] And if you take your turn, then RETALIATE with the like of that with which you were afflicted; but if you are patient, it will certainly be best for those who are patient.

The law of RETALIATION is in the Law of Moses but had been repealed by Jesus. He enjoined us to forgive one another:

Mat. 6:
.

Rilwayne001:
It's not the LAW OF MOSES it's the law of Jesus a.k.a Yahweh (according to trinitarians)- he gave it To Moses. What was he thinking before?

Here's that the Quran say;

Al-Mumenoon, Verse 96:
ادْفَعْ بِالَّتِي هِيَ أَحْسَنُ السَّيِّئَةَ نَحْنُ أَعْلَمُ بِمَا يَصِفُونَ

[But whatever they may say or do,] repel the evil [which they commit] with something that is bet­ter: We are fully aware of what they attribute [to Us].

truthman2012:
That is just the quran contradicting itself: retaliate, again don't retaliate.

For every verse in the quran there is the reverse, allahh was never consistent.

lol.. I guess you missed the first part of my post. You need to put on your glasses old man

malvisguy212:
what you are saying here is, Allah love everybody, among the everybody he hate ONLY the unbelievers, am I right ?

AlmuFty01:
Honestly I don't blame you, the problem is more that what I can solve here and the more I duel this the controversial it will be.
But my friend, Muslims all over the world at the inception face enemy of various groups and at different part of the world each with different plan to reck the progress it recorded of which no religion ever had such a record before and never another one will have it.
If you argue that Muslims are this and that, it wasn't perplx, even during the life time of our dear Prophet (SAW), many disguys, escalated and aggravated violence, when talking about sobiyyun of Syria and Persians of Iraq up till the era of Abasid dynasty founded by Muawiyya, most of Muslims leaders then were murdered by their associates who are imposter.
My friend. I understand your concern but my problem with most you was, if we Muslims with genuine reasons are trying to explain the truth about the whole issue even yelling at very top of our voices you wouldn't believe us instead those who are portray Islam in bad image you will support.
The very incident you mentioned about, reminds me of my personal write up on pressTV the very day the incident happened not only this, many Muslims took to Street condemning the incident likewise most of Islamic leaders of the world, if truly you follow the reports about the scenario, did you commend them even in your write up.
It is unfair to castigate a whole group while those did the attacks were just minority and painfully the imposter.
I know that, no amount of information I share with you will let you accept my fact and figure but I huge you to do genuine research even though Google might not be reliable as you said but there are other means. Thanks

bashbabe2:
They all come out in the order in which they are dumb, pappville is obviously the most dumb. Thinking ganging up and bullying will make thier obviously senseless post meaningful. I Have never come across bunch of desperados like these lot . I read the posts once in a while, sincerely hoping that they focus thier energy on something better . because if you are saying the Quran is wrong for saying people can seek justice and goes further to say it's better to forgive then your case is too pathetic and needs immediate attention. SMH for you bigots, don't let the hatred for some people make you act irrationally or not think . Trying to find faults where there's none hmmmmm try again

AlmuFty01:
These was just all of it! I discovered this right from the beginning but some people will attack and wail if I tag the Op a propaganda. The interpretation of Holy Quran to all the Muslims was not just what an individual can handle any how that was the obvious reason for Ahlusunnah to worn us that, if you want to interpret Quran make sure that you have intense knowledge of the following :
1. Ilmul Kalam
2. History (Islamic)
3. Hadith
4. Jurisprudence (Islamic theology)
5. Hulumul Quran
These will let you do the interpretation correctly..... But look at what Op posted here? Some people will believe that the verse was actually preaches vengeance

AlmuFty01:
Allah says; ﻥﻥﺕ And We ordained therein for them • "Life for life, • eye for eye, • nose for nose, • ear for ear, • tooth for tooth, • and wounds equal for equal." But if anyone remits the retaliation by way of charity, it shall be for him an expiation. This Ayah also chastises and criticizes the Jews because in the Tawrah, they have the law of a life for a life. Yet, they defied this ruling by transgression and rebellion. They used to apply this ruling when a person from Bani An-Nadir was killed by a Qurayzah person, but this was not the case when the opposite occurred. Rather, they would revert to Diyah in this case. They also defied the ruling in the Tawrah to stone the adulterer and instead came up with their own form of punishment, flogging, humiliation and parading them in public. This is why Allah said in the previous Ayah.

And whosoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed, such are the disbelievers), because they rejected Allah's command with full intention and with transgression and rebellion. In this Ayah, Allah said, (such are the unjust), because they did not exact the oppressed his due rights from the oppressor in a matter which Allah ordered that all be treated equally and fairly. Instead, they defied that command, committed injustice and transgressed against each other.

Allah said, ﺕ But if anyone remits the retaliation by way of charity, it shall be for him an expiation.

Ali bin Abi Talhah reported that Ibn Abbas commented that ﺕ (But if anyone remits the retaliation by way of charity) means; "If one pardons by way of charity, it will result in expiation for the aggressor and reward for the victim.'' Sufyan Ath-Thawri said that Ata bin As-Sa'ib said that Sa`id bin Jubayr said that Ibn Abbas said, "He who pardons the retaliation by way of charity, it will be an expiation for the aggressor and a reward for the victim with Allah.'' Ibn Abi Hatim recorded this statement. Jabir bin Abdullah said that Allah's statement, ﺕ (But if anyone remits the retaliation by way of charity, it shall be for him an expiation), "For the victim.'' This is also the opinion of Al-Hasan Al-Basri, Ibrahim An-Nakhai and Abu Ishaq Al-Hamdani. Imam Ahmad recorded that Ubadah bin As-Samit said, "I heard the Messenger of Allah saying, ﺝﺝﻡیﺝﻡﻡﺕﻡﻡ Any man who suffers a wound on his body and forfeits his right of retaliation as way of charity, then Allah will pardon him that which is similar to what he forfeited. An-Nasa'i and Ibn Jarir recorded this Hadith. Allah's statement, ﻥیﻡ And whosoever does not judge by that which Allah has revealed, such are the unjust. Earlier we mentioned the statements of Ata and Tawus that there is Kufr and lesser Kufr, injustice and lesser injustice and Fisq and lesser Fisq.

These verses and many similar other existing in Quran, but OP deem to uplift the one that will suit his argument. This was great injustice.

Rilwayne001:
It's not the LAW OF MOSES it's the law of Jesus a.k.a Yahweh (according to trinitarians)- he gave it To Moses. What was he thinking before?

Here's that the Quran say;

Al-Mumenoon, Verse 96:
ادْفَعْ بِالَّتِي هِيَ أَحْسَنُ السَّيِّئَةَ نَحْنُ أَعْلَمُ بِمَا يَصِفُونَ

[But whatever they may say or do,] repel the evil [which they commit] with something that is bet­ter: We are fully aware of what they attribute [to Us].

Rilwayne001:
lol.. I guess you missed the first part of my post. You need to put on your glasses old man

truthman2012:
allahh said you can retaliate or let go. he gave you an option of retaliation. you are lying to explain it to mean otherwise.

truthman2012:
allahh said you can retaliate or let go. he gave you an option of retaliation. you are lying to explain it to mean otherwise.

Whatever, old man .. The verse up there is clear enough for those that are not blind to see.

No time for argument..

plappville:
Exactly ! !

Common sense truly isn't common.. Truth man buttlicker

Rilwayne001:
Whatever, old man .. The verse up there is clear enough for those that are not blind to see.

No time for argument..

truthman2012:
allahh is manipulative saying yes and no on the same subject. that is the character of the Devil. Pity you.

Rilwayne001:
You still don't get it, do you? That old stiffnecked behavior of yours Ehn..

truthman2012:
Trash !

That what you are full of.

Rilwayne001:
That what you are full of.