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Why Muslims Should Never Have To Apologize For Terrorism - By Omar Alnatour by Aliyu333: 11:37am On Jan 21, 2017
Picture this: You wake up in the morning to hear your wife screaming at you because it’s pouring rain outside. She hates the rain and now her day is ruined because of you. You go downstairs only to hear your children yell at you because they broke the toaster. They can’t have waffles now and it’s all your fault. On the way to work, you stop and fill up gas only to hear everyone at the gas station curse you out because gas prices have risen. You arrive at work only to see all your coworkers gathered around your desk demanding that you apologize for the printer being jammed. On the way home from work, everyone on the highway screams at you because they are upset with the rush hour traffic.

Quite a ridiculous scenario, right? Can you imagine always being blamed for things that you have absolutely no control over? Can you imagine always being asked to apologize for these things? Can you imagine being hated whether or not you do apologize? This is what being a Muslim in America today feels like.

I am a proud American, raised in Texas. I’m a college student. I’m a humanitarian. I’m an aspiring physician. I’m someone who hopes to revolutionize access to medicine and healthcare in the United States and in war-torn countries across the world. I also am a M-u-s-l-i-m, one of over 1.6 billion who are blamed whenever an act of terrorism occurs as if we are nothing more than this 6-letter word hijacked by those who wrongly use our religion to justify their heinous crimes.

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As a Muslim American who continually strives to do everything I can for the betterment of my community and this nation, I am tired of being asked to apologize and condemn terrorism that I have absolutely nothing to do with.

Here Are Five Reasons Why Muslims Should Never Have To Apologize for Terrorism:

1)It’s ridiculous to ask us to apologize.
As a practicing Muslim, I know that my religion teaches peace. I am so certain of this fact that I will award anyone $10,000 if they can find me a verse in the Quran that says it’s ok to kill innocent people or to commit acts of terror. This is an open offer that will never expire.

I also know that Muslims, as a religious group, are not terrorists. I have factually proved this. I also have factually proved that you are more likely to be struck by lightening, crushed to death by a couch, or killed by a toddler, than to be killed by a Muslim.

This being said, why should I have to apologize for a violence that I have no connection to? A violence my religion blatantly stands against.

Ask yourself: Should car manufacturers have to apologize when drunk drivers kill people using their vehicles? Should you be required to apologize to the police if your sibling gets a speeding ticket because you share the same last name? Should every single gun owner in America have to apologize whenever someone is killed by a firearm? Should weathermen have to apologize for cloudy days? Should pharmacists have to apologize for your allergies? Should I have to apologize for the typos of another writer?

Unless you can find that $10,000 verse or unless you blatantly hear a Muslim explicitly supporting terrorism, please understand that asking us, both individually and collectively, to apologize for terrorism would be just as ridiculous as the questions above.

2)It should be obvious by now that Muslims condemn terrorism.
By now, it should be very clear that Muslims condemn terrorism. All it takes is a simple Google search of any terrorist attack to find the plethora of Muslims publicly condemning it. Try it out. For example, here are over 40 examples of Muslims condemning the Charlie Hebdo attacks. And here is an example of how Muslims all across the world condemned the Paris attacks.

Muslims condemn terrorism, we always have. This is a fact. And just as I shouldn’t have to reassure you each morning that the sky is still blue, Muslims should not have to reassure you that we still condemn terrorism every single time a terrorist attack occurs.

And frankly, if you don’t already believe that Muslims condemn terrorism by now, then no apology or repeated broken-record condemnation from any Muslim or Muslim organization will help cure your intolerant hatred.

3)Muslims are at the very forefront of combating terrorism.
The only thing more ridiculous than asking people to apologize for something they have no connection to is to make people apologize for something they are working so hard to combat.

Muslims want to defeat terrorism just as much as any other American, if not more. This is why we have Muslim women like Niloofar Rahmani and Kubra Khademi who are at the very frontlines fighting terrorists. This is why millions of Muslim youth are taking a stand against ISIS. This is why tons of Muslim groups and scholars repeatedly issue statements condemning ISIS, many even being beheaded by ISIS for doing so.

This is why more than 120 Muslim scholars from around the world joined together to write an open letter to ISIS, denouncing them as un-Islamic by using Islamic terms. This is why Muslims are being killed by ISIS for publicly opposing this terrorist group’s persecution of Christians.

For the same reasons that firemen don’t apologize for fires and doctors don’t apologize for heart disease, Muslims should not be expected or asked to apologize for something they are working so hard to combat.

4)Muslims are the largest victims of terrorism.
According to the Counter Terrorism Center at the United States Military Academy at West Point, Al-Qaeda kills over seven times more Muslims than non-Muslims. According to the UN, Muslims are the largest victims of ISIS. According to the State Department, Muslims are the largest victims of terrorism in general. No matter where you look, you will find that the strongest association between Muslims and terrorism is one in which Muslims are victims of it.

There is a sad irony in how Muslims are the largest victims of terrorism yet also receive the most hatred for it. Just as it would be wrong to blame African Americans for slavery, starving children for world hunger, and toddlers for school shootings, it is equally wrong to blame Muslims for terrorism when we are always the victims of it.

Want me to call the leader of ISIS and tell him to stop committing terror? Give me his contact information; I’d be happy to. Any Muslim would. But just know that the conversation would begin with us, ISIS’s largest victims, telling him to stop hijacking our religion to justify killing Muslims who actually follow it.

5)If we have to apologize for terrorism, then so should everyone else.
This last point is especially important. Why are Muslims the only group that are required to apologize for and condemn the actions of criminals that associate with their group?

To put things into perspective, ask yourself: Why aren’t all white males asked to apologize for the slavery that white males endorsed less than two centuries ago? The slavery in which one third of slaves were Muslims. Why aren’t all Buddhists asked to apologize for the radical Buddhist monks in Mynammar that are violently attacking Muslims? Why aren’t all policemen asked to apologize for the racist cops that are dropping the bodies of unarmed blacks like leaves in the autumn?

You must understand that just as you are detached from the heinous crimes mentioned above, I am just as detached from the terrorism that so many keep trying to link me with for no other reason than me being a Muslim.

You must understand that by asking me whether I condemn terrorism, you are questioning my humanity.



By Omar Alnatour Palestinian-American Muslim. Student. Humanitarian.
Huffington post, United States.


http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/9526296

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Re: Why Muslims Should Never Have To Apologize For Terrorism - By Omar Alnatour by lovat(m): 11:42am On Jan 21, 2017
You will continue to pay out $10,000 until you go broke because a lot of verses in the quran promotes killing of infidels

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Re: Why Muslims Should Never Have To Apologize For Terrorism - By Omar Alnatour by OLAJADON: 10:12pm On Jan 21, 2017
lovat:
You will continue to pay out $10,000 until you go broke because a lot of verses in the quran promotes killing of infidels
can u mention a verse and stop being a hypocrite.

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Re: Why Muslims Should Never Have To Apologize For Terrorism - By Omar Alnatour by falopey: 3:23am On Jan 24, 2017
OLAJADON:

can u mention a verse and stop being a hypocrite.
The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews.

(Now you can see why Muslims and Christians are not serving the same God. The god allah of Muslims says Muslims should kill Christians or non Muslims) One god is weaked asking to kill Christians while the other is loving.

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out.

Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."


Quran (25:52) - "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness..

Quran (61:4) - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His cause" Religion of Peace, indeed!  The verse explicitly refers to "rows" or "battle array," meaning that it is speaking of physical conflict.

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Re: Why Muslims Should Never Have To Apologize For Terrorism - By Omar Alnatour by OLAJADON: 3:07pm On Jan 24, 2017
falopey:

The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews.

(Now you can see why Muslims and Christians are not serving the same God. The god allah of Muslims says Muslims should kill Christians or non Muslims) One god is weaked asking to kill Christians while the other is loving.

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out.

Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."


Quran (25:52) - "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness..

Quran (61:4) - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His cause" Religion of Peace, indeed!  The verse explicitly refers to "rows" or "battle array," meaning that it is speaking of physical conflict.
indeed u are a gullible fellow and a hypocrite...why are you picking just single verse
a Muslims has no right to kill an infidel for no reason.

you still havnt answered my question.

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Re: Why Muslims Should Never Have To Apologize For Terrorism - By Omar Alnatour by OLAJADON: 10:18pm On Jan 24, 2017
falopey:


I gave more than five verses and all you can see is one verse. You are the real gullible ignoramus hypocrite. You asked for a verse and I gave you more than a verse. You see the "truth" staring you in the face from your own quran, but you hypocritically denyit. But Muslims have right to kill infidel for some reason abi? Because that's what you incinuate and what we witness happening to non Muslims. Reason like because they are Christians, jews, or non Muslims. Reason like because they insult your dummy allah (of course that's what he is if humans will have to fight for him instead of him for them.). Reasons like because they refuse to submit their culture, way of life in exchange for Islamic way of life. I think those are your justifiable reason mr Boko Haram. Because that's what you have portrayed yourself to be that Muslims can take life for whatever reason you call it.

No religion in the world has the right to take a life except except the religion of piss from it's pedophile prophet.
u not worth it

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Re: Why Muslims Should Never Have To Apologize For Terrorism - By Omar Alnatour by falopey: 10:55pm On Jan 24, 2017
OLAJADON:

u not worth it
For yah mind....How the truth hurts. The world will never cease to witness Islamic terrorism as long as those verses in the quran that expressly attack Christians, Jews and other non Muslims and that says they should be killed or be seen as enemies exist. And until people like you look inward and admit there is a problem with islam/quran ( that makes quran see non Muslims as enemies) that needs to be fixed. While Mohammed taught you to see non Muslims as enemies, Jesus taught his followers to see non Christians not as enemies but rather treat them with love. What a difference between two masters. Use your brain bro and get out of this Islamic dogmatism that doesn't allow you to use your God given critical thinking of discernment.

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Re: Why Muslims Should Never Have To Apologize For Terrorism - By Omar Alnatour by Aliyu333: 4:17pm On Jan 25, 2017
falopey:

For yah mind....How the truth hurts. The world will never cease to witness Islamic terrorism as long as those verses in the quran that expressly attack Christians, Jews and other non Muslims and that says they should be killed or be seen as enemies exist. And until people like you look inward and admit there is a problem with islam/quran ( that makes quran see non Muslims as enemies) that needs to be fixed. While Mohammed taught you to see non Muslims as enemies, Jesus taught his followers to see non Christians not as enemies but rather treat them with love. What a difference between two masters. Use your brain bro and get out of this Islamic dogmatism that doesn't allow you to use your God given critical thinking of discernment.
You think there are no tons of violent verses in the bible?. The thing is you dont just take a statement and leave the one before it or that after and choose to make it realistic. No matter how hard honest and true muslims try to make you see how you people misunderstood jihad, you still won't believe and all effort becomes futile, and this is because of the hatred and full bigotry you have towards the religion.
Like a brother said earlier we are only suppose to fight back or kill when its a life for a life and interms of war. But then what do I know?, we believe what we want to and we owe no one apology for the lifes other people take cos we didnt do them and our religion didnt teach us that. Have you ever read the Tajweed of the Quran or did you just go to google and browse some verses to suit your interest?.
There are upto 1.6billion muslims in the world and the largest chunk of them are in indonesia, so if we are ordered as part of jihad to kill people unjustly, do you think there will be much of the world left?.
You can requote me to tell me how am all wrong, but truth is I don't care, cos as far as I know, thats not what Islam is about. Do you have a nice year.

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Re: Why Muslims Should Never Have To Apologize For Terrorism - By Omar Alnatour by falopey: 5:39pm On Jan 25, 2017
Aliyu333:
You think there are no tons of violent verses in the bible?. The thing is you dont just take a statement and leave the one before it or that after and choose to make it realistic. No matter how hard honest and true muslims try to make you see how you people misunderstood jihad, you still won't believe and all effort becomes futile, and this is because of the hatred and full bigotry you have towards the religion.
Like a brother said earlier we are only suppose to fight back or kill when its a life for a life and interms of war. But then what do I know?, we believe what we want to and we owe no one apology for the lifes other people take cos we didnt do them and our religion didnt teach us that. Have you ever read the Tajweed of the Quran or did you just go to google and browse some verses to suit your interest?.
There are upto 1.6billion muslims in the world and the largest chunk of them are in indonesia, so if we are ordered as part of jihad to kill people unjustly, do you think there will be much of the world left?.
You can requote me to tell me how am all wrong, but truth is I don't care, cos as far as I know, thats not what Islam is about. Do you have a nice year.

Of course there are similarities between the old testament of the bible and Quran. Hence the verses you are talking about. The old testament was the Jewish scripture before Jesus came. The new testament is the scripture of Christians because that's where you see the life lived by Jesus and his teachings. The coming of Jesus was like a revolution to make changes to those heinous laws of the old testament.

Of course Christians cannot throw away the old testament because Judaism gave birth to Christianity and because of other good virtues in the old testament that are still not in conflict with Jesus teachings that good Christians need to imbibe.

So the pivot point of Christianity centers around the new and not the old testament because that is where Jesus started is ministries and where you see it. That is why you don't see Christians acting out the violent verses like Muslims do because it's iin conflict with the teaching of Jesus whom they follow.

Old testament is for Christians to know where they were coming from and new testament is to know where they are. So those kind of verse do not hold water in today's new testament Christianity. But for Muslims, why have you guy refused to move away from your barbaric pass. You are still stuck to it and thats what we are seeing today.

Before we say jack, you will be pointing fingers at crusades of centuries ago. A crusade that only existed in Europe and Jerusalem to defend them against the external jihadist aggressors moving around the world to destroy their civilization and enforce Islamic rule.

If you are only supposed to fight back those who fight you when it's a matter of life to life, how about insulting islam? Becsuse so many people have been killed for that reason alone. How does that endanger your life. How did Islam get to be established iin every country it is today. Is it because those people came to mecca to fight you? No, you brought jihad to them and give them Islam with the edge of the word.

Jihad/killing of non Muslims because they hold a different faith still continue iin Muslim countries today. Of course you cannot wage jihad against the whole world and kill everyone because we are in the 21st century and western countries will meet force with force and defeat external jihad aggressors. But nevertheless, book haram, Isis, Fulani herdsmen are still doing a good job in that direction.

The true meaning of jihad as seen practiced centuries ago and which still continue to this present time is now such a shameful thing to associate with in this modern dispensation to an extent that the Muslims are now giving it a different coloration that it doesn't mean killing of "infidel" just because they are not Muslims.

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Re: Why Muslims Should Never Have To Apologize For Terrorism - By Omar Alnatour by MEERLEEQ: 5:39pm On Jan 25, 2017
falopey:

For yah mind....How the truth hurts. The world will never cease to witness Islamic terrorism as long as those verses in the quran that expressly attack Christians, Jews and other non Muslims and that says they should be killed or be seen as enemies exist. And until people like you look inward and admit there is a problem with islam/quran ( that makes quran see non Muslims as enemies) that needs to be fixed. While Mohammed taught you to see non Muslims as enemies, Jesus taught his followers to see non Christians not as enemies but rather treat them with love. What a difference between two masters. Use your brain bro and get out of this Islamic dogmatism that doesn't allow you to use your God given critical thinking of discernment.
wao aliyu333 is right you know nothing about islam- the teachings of the Quran and the Muhammad ( SAW) than that which confirms your bigotry.
Do you know of this? no surely you dont
1. “Allah does not forbid you from being good to those who have not fought you in the religion or driven you from your homes, or from being just towards them. Allah loves those who are just.” (Surat al-Mumtahana, cool

2.“We have appointed a law and a practice for every one of you. Had Allah willed, He would have made you a single community, but He wanted to test you regarding what has come to you. So compete with each other in doing good. Every one of you will return to Allah and He will inform you regarding the things about which you differed.” (Surat al-Ma’ida, 48)

3. Beware! Whoever is cruel and hard on a non-Muslim minority, or curtails their rights, or burdens them with more than they can bear, or takes anything from them against their free will; I (Prophet Muhammad) will complain against the person on the Day of Judgment.” (Abu Dawud)
4. Qur'an states at another place: Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in God hath grasped the most trustworthy hand- hold, that never breaks. And God heareth and knoweth all things. (2:256)

5. “Show mercy towards all on this Earth, the one who is above the Heavens will bestow mercy on you” (Sahih Bukhari).​
6. “As for those who do not kill you for your faith nor drive you from your homes, God instructs you to deal with them with justice and the utmost respect” (Qur’an 60:cool.
7. “Do not let the hatred and animosity of other people prevent you from being just. Be just! That is nearer to righteousness” (Qur’an 5:cool.
8. “And say, The truth is from your Lord, so whoever wills let him believe, and whoever wills let him disbelieve“(Quran 18: 29).
9. “The good deed and the bad deed are not the same. Return evil with good, so that the one who was formerly your enemy will become a most dear friend” (Qur’an 41:34).
10. The true servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk the earth with humility, and when the uncivilized address them, they respond with words of peace” (Qur’an 25:43)
11. “And do not insult those whom they worship besides God, lest they insult God wrongfully without knowledge” (Qur’an 6:108).
12 109.1: Say: O disbelievers!
109.2: I worship not that which ye worship;
109.3: Nor worship ye that which I worship.
109.4: And I shall not worship that which ye worship.
109.5: Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
109.6: Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.
13. The Prophet of Mercy said: Beware! Whosoever oppresses a Muahid (i.e. Non-Muslim living in Muslim land with agreement) or snatches (any of) his rights or causes him pain which he cannot bear, or takes anything from him without his permission, Then “I WILL FIGHT AGAINST SUCH A (MUSLIM) ON THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT” [Sunnan Abu Dawud, Volume No. 3, Page No. 170, Hadith No. 3052
14. Quran states: If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe?(10:99)
And if you are honest to yourself now before you start misquoting all Quran verse about Jihad and war, why not just go lightly through aboutjihad.com

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Re: Why Muslims Should Never Have To Apologize For Terrorism - By Omar Alnatour by Aliyu333: 8:56pm On Jan 25, 2017
falopey:


Of course there are similarities between the old testament of the bible and Quran. Hence the verses you are talking about. The old testament was the Jewish scripture before Jesus came. The new testament is the scripture of Christians because that's where you see the life lived by Jesus and his teachings. The coming of Jesus was like a revolution to make changes to those heinous laws of the old testament.

Of course Christians cannot throw away the old testament because Judaism gave birth to Christianity and because of other good virtues in the old testament that are still not in conflict with Jesus teachings that good Christians need to imbibe.

So the pivot point of Christianity centers around the new and not the old testament because that is where Jesus started is ministries and where you see it. That is why you don't see Christians acting out the violent verses like Muslims do because it's iin conflict with the teaching of Jesus whom they follow.

Old testament is for Christians to know where they were coming from and new testament is to know where they are. So those kind of verse do not hold water in today's new testament Christianity. But for Muslims, why have you guy refused to move away from your barbaric pass. You are still stuck to it and thats what we are seeing today.

Before we say jack, you will be pointing fingers at crusades of centuries ago. A crusade that only existed in Europe and Jerusalem to defend them against the external jihadist aggressors moving around the world to destroy their civilization and enforce Islamic rule.

If you are only supposed to fight back those who fight you when it's a matter of life to life, how about insulting islam? Becsuse so many people have been killed for that reason alone. How does that endanger your life. How did Islam get to be established iin every country it is today. Is it because those people came to mecca to fight you? No, you brought jihad to them and give them Islam with the edge of the word.

Jihad/killing of non Muslims because they hold a different faith still continue iin Muslim countries today. Of course you cannot wage jihad against the whole world and kill everyone because we are in the 21st century and western countries will meet force with force and defeat external jihad aggressors. But nevertheless, book haram, Isis, Fulani herdsmen are still doing a good job in that direction.

The true meaning of jihad as seen practiced centuries ago and which still continue to this present time is now such a shameful thing to associate with in this modern dispensation to an extent that the Muslims are now giving it a different coloration that it doesn't mean killing of "infidel" just because they are not Muslims.
Do you even know there are four type of Jihad?? No you can't, we concocted all those exceptions? Well Meerleeq just got you told.

Of course there are similarities between the old testament of the bible and Quran. Hence the verses you are talking about. The old testament was the Jewish scripture before Jesus came. The new testament is the scripture of Christians because that's where you see the life lived by Jesus and his teachings. The coming of Jesus was like a revolution to make changes to those heinous laws of the old testament.
Really?? You think am a newbie?

Matthew 5:17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

5:18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

5:19 Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

And Jesus also said:

Luke 16:17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for one dot of the Law to become void.
Jesus is always in perfect agreement with the Father (John 10:30), so we cannot argue that war was only God’s will in the Old Testament. God does not change (Malachi 3:6; James 1:17).

Matthew 10:34 Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

long as those verses in the quran that expressly attack Christians, Jews and other non Muslims and that says they should be killed or be seen as enemies exist.-- Yea in relation to the so enemy loving bible right?

Mr Anderson summarises: "Of the three texts, the content in the Old Testament appears to be the most violent.

"Killing and destruction are referenced slightly more often in the New Testament (2.8%) than in the Quran (2.1%), but the Old Testament clearly leads—more than twice that of the Quran—in mentions of destruction and killing (5.3%)."
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/violence-more-common-in-bible-than-quran-text-analysis-reveals-a6863381.html
And lastly do you know according to facts(from FBI statistics to loon watch): Terrorism acts have been carried out 90+% more by non-muslims, but then why would you know that?

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Re: Why Muslims Should Never Have To Apologize For Terrorism - By Omar Alnatour by falopey: 12:37am On Jan 26, 2017
Aliyu333:
Do you even know there are four type of Jihad?? No you can't, we concocted all those exceptions? Well Meerleeq just got you told.

Of course there are similarities between the old testament of the bible and Quran. Hence the verses you are talking about. The old testament was the Jewish scripture before Jesus came. The new testament is the scripture of Christians because that's where you see the life lived by Jesus and his teachings. The coming of Jesus was like a revolution to make changes to those heinous laws of the old testament.
Really?? You think am a newbie?

Matthew 5:17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

5:18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

5:19 Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

And Jesus also said:

Luke 16:17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for one dot of the Law to become void.
Jesus is always in perfect agreement with the Father (John 10:30), so we cannot argue that war was only God’s will in the Old Testament. God does not change (Malachi 3:6; James 1:17).

Matthew 10:34 Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

long as those verses in the quran that expressly attack Christians, Jews and other non Muslims and that says they should be killed or be seen as enemies exist.-- Yea in relation to the so enemy loving bible right?

Mr Anderson summarises: "Of the three texts, the content in the Old Testament appears to be the most violent.

"Killing and destruction are referenced slightly more often in the New Testament (2.8%) than in the Quran (2.1%), but the Old Testament clearly leads—more than twice that of the Quran—in mentions of destruction and killing (5.3%)."
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/violence-more-common-in-bible-than-quran-text-analysis-reveals-a6863381.html
And lastly do you know according to facts(from FBI statistics to loon watch): Terrorism acts have been carried out 90+% more by non-muslims, but then why would you know that?

But killing of the so called infidel is one of the four as seen in terrorist acts today.

Jesus came to fulfill the law. The question you need to ask yourself is, "which of the laws?". " Is it every law of the old testament Jesus was referring to?". Is he talking about every law without leaving the odd ones our as you quoted in those verses. The answer is that Jesus left the odd ones out.

In John 8:4-11
“Teacher,” they said to Jesus, “this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 The law of Moses says to stone her. What do you say?”


Jesus told them that whoever has not committed such sin before should cast the first stone. That was how all of them left one after the other. And Jesus told her to sin no more. That's an instance where Jesus had to publicly break the odd old testament law which is a sharia law of the Muslims.

Why didn't Jesus allow them to stone her because that's what the law say. He did not come to fulfill the barbaric law that stone a woman and let the man off the hook. We have seen instances in the north where women were to be stoned under sharia while the man that committed it with her was left alone. Islamic hypocracy of the highest order.

So was Jesus talking about every law no matter what? Definetly NO he refused to fulfill some of the odd and unfair law practised before him.

So ask yourself, can a woman committee adultery or formication alone? What happened to the man too? That's the hypocrisy of sharia law and Muslims.

What about when Jesus healed someone on a Sabbath day. Of course it's against the law to do such on Sabbath day.

Mark 1:1-12 Jesus stood against the law that encourage willful divorce. The law like sharia allowed the Jews to divorce their wife. But Jesus spoke against it.

I can go on citing instances where Jesus refused to fulfill barbaric laws like sharia law. That is to tell you Jesus did not come to fulfill the odd or bad aspects of the law but the perfect ones.

Can you tell me in the law or teaching of Jesus in new testament where killing whatsoever for whatever reason was commanded to Christians like Muhammed did to Muslims? Killing was commanded in the Jewish law of the old testament, but Jesus spoke against it and never commanded Christians to take life for whatever reason. Jesus used a lot of parables to teach his disciples. Non of his parable is a command to kill. We do not see where he took away peace from the world or use sword for whatever reason.

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Re: Why Muslims Should Never Have To Apologize For Terrorism - By Omar Alnatour by Aliyu333: 8:38am On Jan 26, 2017
falopey:


But killing of the so called infidel is one of the four as seen in terrorist acts today.

Jesus came to fulfill the law. The question you need to ask yourself is, "which of the laws?". " Is it every law of the old testament Jesus was referring to?". Is he talking about every law without leaving the odd ones our as you quoted in those verses. The answer is that Jesus left the odd ones out.

In John 8:4-11
“Teacher,” they said to Jesus, “this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 The law of Moses says to stone her. What do you say?”


Jesus told them that whoever has not committed such sin before should cast the first stone. That was how all of them left one after the other. And Jesus told her to sin no more. That's an instance where Jesus had to publicly break the odd old testament law which is a sharia law of the Muslims.

Why didn't Jesus allow them to stone her because that's what the law say. He did not come to fulfill the barbaric law that stone a woman and let the man off the hook. We have seen instances in the north where women were to be stoned under sharia while the man that committed it with her was left alone. Islamic hypocracy of the highest order.

So was Jesus talking about every law no matter what? Definetly NO he refused to fulfill some of the odd and unfair law practised before him.

So ask yourself, can a woman committee adultery or formication alone? What happened to the man too? That's the hypocrisy of sharia law and Muslims.

What about when Jesus healed someone on a Sabbath day. Of course it's against the law to do such on Sabbath day.

Mark 1:1-12 Jesus stood against the law that encourage willful divorce. The law like sharia allowed the Jews to divorce their wife. But Jesus spoke against it.

I can go on citing instances where Jesus refused to fulfill barbaric laws like sharia law. That is to tell you Jesus did not come to fulfill the odd or bad aspects of the law but the perfect ones.

Can you tell me in the law or teaching of Jesus in new testament where killing whatsoever for whatever reason was commanded to Christians like Muhammed did to Muslims? Killing was commanded in the Jewish law of the old testament, but Jesus spoke against it and never commanded Christians to take life for whatever reason. Jesus used a lot of parables to teach his disciples. Non of his parable is a command to kasill. We do not see where he took away peace from the world or use sword for whatever reason.

So you are here to do what?? Tell me Jesus contradicted himself? (Peace be unto him), or the bible contradicted itself?? Or some verses in the bible are not worth taking seriously??
Mathew 5:18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
Luke 16:17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for one dot of the Law to become void.
And him saying this?
Matthew 10:34 Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
Luke 12:51 ►
Parallel Verses
New International Version
Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division.

New Living Translation
Do you think I have come to bring peace to the earth? No, I have come to divide people against each other!

English Standard Version
Do you think that I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division.
And lastly, you think the peaceful and loving part of the Quran isnt multiple times more than the said violent? And you keep saying things about Prophet Muhammad as If you know about his teachings, have you ever read his Sahee hadith or are you just interested in those that suit your goal? Do you read about his living with non muslims or the rights of non muslims that he thought us? Have you even read about him in the book "Hero and Heroes worship" by Thomas Carlyle or in the 100 most influential men by Michael H hart??, you see thats why we can't honestly have a conversation because you don't know more than the needed, except you go to Google and type "violence verses in the Quran" Violent teachings of Prophet Muhammad ( SAW).
Do you even know the tajweed of those verses you keep quoting? Do you know some verses are released in the Quran during the battle of uhud and Badr and still the next verse following them stress that the prophet SAW should stop if the other side of the battle stop and should not exceed limit cause Allah hate transgressors. You see if we are to just pick a verse in the bible and abandon the verses before and after it, what will it say of: Jesus said
Luke 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.'- You see that is what you people do to Quran verses, but then going back to Luke 19:11 you will realize Jesus was telling them a parable about a king. So picking only 19:27 would have being disastrous. But why will you do that? When ur interest isn't to know Islam, you dont want to know anything good about it but to castigate it and paint it hypocritically Black.
Please Sir, bigotry aside, why dont you give The Quran and the hadith of the Prophet benefit of the doubt and understand a bit outside your box??. And you know we love Prophet Isah (Jesus) may peace be upon him. And am so blessed being a muslim and I will never take the life of a non believer unjustly because my religion doesn't teach me that. And yea you think we care more about your acceptance than Allah's thats why we are changing the meaning of jihad today?? . What a complete joke. Am leaving you with the best of greetings "Peace be unto you"- "Assalamu alaykum" , just like Jesus- peace be upon him said in John 20:21. Do have a rewarding and wonderful year.

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Re: Why Muslims Should Never Have To Apologize For Terrorism - By Omar Alnatour by MEERLEEQ: 1:03pm On Jan 26, 2017
falopey:


But killing of the so called infidel is one of the four as seen in terrorist acts today.

Jesus came to fulfill the law. The question you need to ask yourself is, "which of the laws?". " Is it every law of the old testament Jesus was referring to?". Is he talking about every law without leaving the odd ones our as you quoted in those verses. The answer is that Jesus left the odd ones out.

In John 8:4-11
“Teacher,” they said to Jesus, “this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 The law of Moses says to stone her. What do you say?”


Jesus told them that whoever has not committed such sin before should cast the first stone. That was how all of them left one after the other. And Jesus told her to sin no more. That's an instance where Jesus had to publicly break the odd old testament law which is a sharia law of the Muslims.

Why didn't Jesus allow them to stone her because that's what the law say. He did not come to fulfill the barbaric law that stone a woman and let the man off the hook. We have seen instances in the north where women were to be stoned under sharia while the man that committed it with her was left alone. Islamic hypocracy of the highest order.

So was Jesus talking about every law no matter what? Definetly NO he refused to fulfill some of the odd and unfair law practised before him.

So ask yourself, can a woman committee adultery or formication alone? What happened to the man too? That's the hypocrisy of sharia law and Muslims.

What about when Jesus healed someone on a Sabbath day. Of course it's against the law to do such on Sabbath day.

Mark 1:1-12 Jesus stood against the law that encourage willful divorce. The law like sharia allowed the Jews to divorce their wife. But Jesus spoke against it.

I can go on citing instances where Jesus refused to fulfill barbaric laws like sharia law. That is to tell you Jesus did not come to fulfill the odd or bad aspects of the law but the perfect ones.

Can you tell me in the law or teaching of Jesus in new testament where killing whatsoever for whatever reason was commanded to Christians like Muhammed did to Muslims? Killing was commanded in the Jewish law of the old testament, but Jesus spoke against it and never commanded Christians to take life for whatever reason. Jesus used a lot of parables to teach his disciples. Non of his parable is a command to kill. We do not see where he took away peace from the world or use sword for whatever reason.
same ol same ol

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Re: Why Muslims Should Never Have To Apologize For Terrorism - By Omar Alnatour by Nobody: 11:09am On Feb 10, 2017
Lol,, they can't even say this with a straight face. The world will soon gang up against Islam and thats when y'all will know what time it ism

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Re: Why Muslims Should Never Have To Apologize For Terrorism - By Omar Alnatour by ImadeUReadThis: 11:10am On Feb 10, 2017
Rubbish



This dude must be watched like the guy in the pic above who has since joined ISIS.

The strongest advocates of Islam being a peaceful religion are those who defend Islamic atrocities the most.

You will never hear them condemn the atrocities committed by the most strict adherents of their faith rather they will be pointing out non Muslims who are genuinely concerned about the ever growing tide of violent Islamic extremism as bigots.

This is what the useless hypocritical taqiyya thread is all about.

Fck your feelings! Islam and Muslims have left a sea of blood since their religion was concieved by their prophet.

Until Islam and Muslims reform I will still see Islam through the prism of violence which it upholds

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Re: Why Muslims Should Never Have To Apologize For Terrorism - By Omar Alnatour by Mfulone: 11:14am On Feb 10, 2017
Noo
Re: Why Muslims Should Never Have To Apologize For Terrorism - By Omar Alnatour by bumi10: 11:15am On Feb 10, 2017
and you call this religion??

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Re: Why Muslims Should Never Have To Apologize For Terrorism - By Omar Alnatour by MakeWeTalk: 11:20am On Feb 10, 2017
OP, I agree with you.

Why should muslims apologize for simply obeying the quoran that say's to fight for allah?


Surah 2:191
“And slay them wherever you come upon them"

A moslem who is simply obeying his quoran should never apologize for being obedient to it.
The Quoran say's slay the infidels, so the good muslim obeys.


Surah 9:29:
Fight those who believe not in Allah and the Last Day

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Re: Why Muslims Should Never Have To Apologize For Terrorism - By Omar Alnatour by malware: 11:23am On Feb 10, 2017
1. US invaded Iraq and killed their leader, US troops are still in Iraq purportedly fighting the so called ISIS, destroying Iraqi infrastructures in the process and yet the same US tagged Iraqis terrorists and banned them from entering the US while their nationals are still on the Iraqi soil.... Is there any fair play here?

2. The US also banned Iranians from entering their country.... Trump said you Iranians stay in your country, don't come anywhere close but yet the same US meddles in the internal affairs of Iran through sanctions just because the country test-fired missile weapons to test their military readiness in case of any external military aggression and the same US has stockpiles of nuclear war heads in it's arsenal, where is the fair play here?

3. I also heard that the same US recently attacked some Yemeni cities in it's so called war against terror, a country that was included in the travel ban list... Mr. Trump you said you don't need Yemenis in your country then why did you send your troops to destroy their's? is that your own definition of fair play?

4. The United States had dropped the bombs on Japan with the consent of the United Kingdom as outlined in the Quebec Agreement. The two bombings, which killed at least 129,000 people, remain the only use of nuclear weapons for warfare in history.source https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki. this simply showed that the US alone had killed more people than the so called terrorist it claimed to be fighting and yet Japan has not banned US citizens from visiting their country so who is fooling who?

The most painful part of it is how some people, mostly Christians chose to buy the US definition of terrorists when in real sense the US is the biggest terrorist and the major sponsor of state terrorism.

The only terror attack the US is using to justify it's clamp down on Muslim countries was the September 11 attack which was allegedly masterminded by Osama Bin Laden, a person trained and sponsored by the same US... Operation Cyclone was the code name for the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) program to arm and finance the Jihadi warriors, mujahideen, in Afghanistan from 1979 to 1989, prior to and during the military intervention by the USSR in support of its client, the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone.

So from the foregoing, who is the real world terrorist?

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Re: Why Muslims Should Never Have To Apologize For Terrorism - By Omar Alnatour by Bujumbura(m): 11:23am On Feb 10, 2017
Muslims should continue deceiving themselves, madridguy a know muslim here was celebrating Bin Laden who killed thousands because they don't agree with his faith.

The average muslim prays that a muslim fanatic murders an infidel

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Re: Why Muslims Should Never Have To Apologize For Terrorism - By Omar Alnatour by omokab: 11:25am On Feb 10, 2017
lovat:
You will continue to pay out $10,000 until you go broke because a lot of verses in the quran promotes killing of infidels
please mention one so that you can get the 10k dollars. But with reasoning at least from 2 sentences to the main qoute.

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Re: Why Muslims Should Never Have To Apologize For Terrorism - By Omar Alnatour by ImadeUReadThis: 11:25am On Feb 10, 2017
malware:
1. US invaded Iraq and killed their leader, US troops are still in Iraq allegedly fighting the so called ISIS, destroying Iraqi infrastructures in the process and yet the same US tagged Iraqis terrorists and banned them from entering the US while their nationals are still on the Iraqi soil.... Is there any fair play here?

2. The US also banned Iranians from entering their country.... Trump said you Iranians stay in your country, don't come anywhere close but yet the same US meddles in the internal affairs of Iran through sanctions just because the country test-fired missile weapons to test their military readiness in case of any external military aggression and the same US has stockpiles of nuclear war heads in it's arsenal, where is the fair play here?

3. I also heard that the same US recently attacked some Yemeni cities in it's so called war against terror, a country that was included in the travel ban list... Mr. Trump you said you don't need Yemenis in your country then why did you send your troops to destroy their's? is that your own definition of fair play?

4. The United States had dropped the bombs on Japan with the consent of the United Kingdom as outlined in the Quebec Agreement. The two bombings, which killed at least 129,000 people, remain the only use of nuclear weapons for warfare in history.source https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki. this simply showed that the US alone had killed more people than the so called terrorist it claimed to be fighting and yet Japan has not banned US citizens from visiting their country so who is fooling who?

The most painful part of it is how some people, mostly Christians chose to buy the US definition of terrorists when in real sense the US is the biggest terrorist and the major sponsor of state terrorism.

The only terror attack the US is using to justify it's clamp down on Muslim countries was the September 11 attack which was allegedly masterminded by Osama Bin Laden, a person trained and sponsored by the same US... Operation Cyclone was the code name for the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) program to arm and finance the Jihadi warriors, mujahideen, in Afghanistan from 1979 to 1989, prior to and during the military intervention by the USSR in support of its client, the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone.

So from the foregoing, who is the real world terrorist?



Buhari has killed more Muslims in Nigeria than any group.

Deal with that

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Re: Why Muslims Should Never Have To Apologize For Terrorism - By Omar Alnatour by Bujumbura(m): 11:26am On Feb 10, 2017
ImadeUReadThis:
Rubbish



This dude must be watched like the guy in the pic above who has since joined ISIS.

The strongest advocates of Islam being a peaceful religion are those who defend Islamic atrocities the most.

You will never hear them condemn the atrocities committed by the most strict adherents of their faith rather they will be pointing out non Muslims who are genuinely concerned about the ever growing tide of violent Islamic extremism as bigots.

This is what the useless hypocritical taqiyya thread is all about.

Fck your feelings! Islam and Muslims have left a sea of blood since their religion was concieved by their prophet.

Until Islam and Muslims reform I will still see Islam through the prism of violence which it upholds
I love it when people dare this folks and come to their section and tell them the truth.



Look at the nonsense that malware is spewing. The only muslims i enjoy re the Ahmadiyyas that abhor violence in all its ramifications

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Re: Why Muslims Should Never Have To Apologize For Terrorism - By Omar Alnatour by Bujumbura(m): 11:29am On Feb 10, 2017
OLAJADON:

indeed u are a gullible fellow and a hypocrite...why are you picking just single verse
a Muslims has no right to kill an infidel for no reason.

you still havnt answered my question.
Why can't you answer him? Now you are beating round the bush.



There is no amount of washing that will make Islam sparkling clean

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Re: Why Muslims Should Never Have To Apologize For Terrorism - By Omar Alnatour by Wiseandtrue(f): 11:30am On Feb 10, 2017
OLAJADON:

indeed u are a gullible fellow and a hypocrite...why are you picking just single verse
a Muslims has no right to kill an infidel for no reason.

you still havnt answered my question.
Can you give the one that contradicts it
Lovat, I see you

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Re: Why Muslims Should Never Have To Apologize For Terrorism - By Omar Alnatour by ImadeUReadThis: 11:30am On Feb 10, 2017
Bujumbura:
I love it when people dare this folks and come to their section and tell them the truth.



Look at the nonsense that malware is spewing. The only muslims i enjoy re the Ahmadiyyas that abhor violence in all its ramifications

That dude was just spewing global politics without knowing they (muslims) have been identified as the most gullible demograph in the world.

The same idiot supported ISIS against Assad because Assad is Shia.

Just leave these drones alone

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Re: Why Muslims Should Never Have To Apologize For Terrorism - By Omar Alnatour by malware: 11:31am On Feb 10, 2017
ImadeUReadThis:
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Buhari has killed more Muslims in Nigeria than any group.

Deal with that


I argue with people that have good sense of reasoning not you. Don't quote me again, please.

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Re: Why Muslims Should Never Have To Apologize For Terrorism - By Omar Alnatour by ragiluhivo(m): 11:32am On Feb 10, 2017
Quran (2:191-193) Several versions

Yusuf Ali: And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

Muhammad Sarwar: Slay them wherever you may catch them and expel them from the place from which they expelled you. The sin of disbelief in God is greater than committing murder. Do not fight them in the vicinity of the Sacred Mosque in Mecca unless they start to fight. Then slay them for it is the recompense that the disbelievers deserve.

Arberry:
And slay them wherever you come upon them, and expel them from where they expelled you; persecution is more grievous than slaying. But fight them not by the Holy Mosque until they should fight you there; then, if they fight you, slay them -- such is the recompense of unbelievers --

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Re: Why Muslims Should Never Have To Apologize For Terrorism - By Omar Alnatour by ImadeUReadThis: 11:32am On Feb 10, 2017
malware:


I argue with people that have good sense of reasoning not you. Don't quote me again, please.

You are reasoning from your anus and depending on half arsed recycled copy pasta from your Islamic forum

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