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HardMirror:
The best answer so far. It is unfortunate many christains don't baptize their babies.

Anyway as much as what you said SEEMED to make sense, I want you to explain the rationale behind judging babies as sinners if for reasons beyond the babies control, the parents refused to baptize the baby.

In the example I gave in the Op, those children perished because of their parents sins, their innocence never mattered to god.

Imagine, god even tried to save the inlaws of Lot. He NEVER tried to save any innocent child. He never gave them a chance. They were not in the program. At least for him to even pretend like he cared about them. Yet he made attempts to save the unrighteous son in-laws of Lot that were grown up and could be held accountable for their actions.

Take a moment to think of this.

I thought people said children come from the Lord? Didn't he create them? Why is lot's family more important that the innocent children that can't decide write or wrong? Is he not their god too? Why did he make them in the first place when he who is all knowing knew this is how they will perish?

olarwhumy6:
God is a merciful father, he cares nd love little children so much read ur Bible well nd see d proof. So why would he destroy Wat he love nd cherish? Children are God's heritage. That's d reason Christians dedicate their children to God wen they are little. when u dedicate ur child to God den leave d rest to him no even wil befall him even death wil flee. But babies dat are nt dedicated to God... Y nt let God b d judge?

TrajansKong:
This is true Christianity. God alone is the judge. His will is clear. Upon death, a baby that is not dedicated to our lord will be cast into the fiery pit and eternal pain. This has been the fate of millions of babies since time immemorial and so it shall continue unto the day of Judgement, indeed for all time as their suffering endeth not. Selah!

Therefore, my people, dedicate your babies to him before their first breath. His wrath is terrible indeed.

Love Him.

Jessicha:
You are not okay .


Meanwhile , the bold is a lie ... Upon death , a dead human is [size=24] Free from his sins [/size] - Romans 6:7 , righteous justice dont purnish a free /an innocent person .

TrajansKong:
False teachings!! There is no sentimental human feeling in Heaven or Hell! One is a place of eternal worship and service, the other of torture.

Read your Bible. You are reading Romans 6:7 in a spirit of disobedience. The preceding verse (Romans 6:4) reads :Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life

Freedom from hellfire is through baptism alone. God's word is without error. Children unwashed in the blood of the Nazarene will burn forever. Dead humans are NOT free from sin. All will be judged. Selah!

Jessicha:
Compare the underlined lie with the truth below

" He who has died is Free from his sin " Roman 6:7 .

Jessicha:
Compare the underlined lie with the truth below

" He who has died is Free from his sin " Roman 6:7 .

chakwa:
SENSE

Babies would go to heaven because they have not sinned. Just like animals that do not have the ability to think and choose good or bad. I am not saying animals make heaven o! What i am saying is when bible says all have sinned, he is not talking of creatures that dont have choice but people who had the ability to chose and still sinned.

Understand this. sincerely, any rational christian who believe they would make it to heaven would have to answer this question- Why do you thank God that you are still on earth. MAny people who do not have this reasoning would therefore complain and shout when they hear that children were killed.

In the Genesis, you might notice that some promises to Abraham where not fufilled immediately because the sins of the amorites where not yet full. God still gave them chance to have a change of heart for a long time. People like Balaam and Jethro and Rahab heeded initially. Dont you wish that theives, rapists, murderers stop their practices or be seperated from the public(jail etc)? Well God gave time and when the time was up, He judged them and didnt allow the children to be orphans on earth. instead He ordered that they should be transferred to the life beyond-glory. Also, there are some bad things that are going to happen to people (because 2+2=4 wat you sow you reap) but it is completely your choice. if Judas has changed his mind before his cup of transgression filled up, his story would have been different so he wasnt given the grace to repent like Peter. you can check 2Pet2:20-21. Judas had been a thief, long before the betrayal. Maybe thinking Jesus would use His power to escape.

Concerning predestination. NOte this; God gave man charge and dominion over this earth. Meaning it is humans that should decide things on this earth. there is always an option to call Him to help. Imagine you were give a house, after leaving in the house for 30 years, someone comes and hijack it suddenly without informing you; you would be left stranded obviously. same thing, God cannot do things on this earth without a man been involved.

No one is predestined to go to hell, but many people are predestined to give glory to God, whether in sin or not, like pharoah. God choses the best. Someone that can lose his birthright to food is not fit to rule a nation and so would be chosen for lesser duties, if not, he can sell his nation if they would give him 5 billion dollars every year. infact, it is predestination that helps the christian race. Because God had to look out for the person with the best chance of doing something positive in this fractured world. SO there is no unrighteousness in God's selection.

The reason why there is problem on earth is because men of power did not stop the problems. to find out if you have power, decree a thing to happen on this earth and see if it would happen (ask and you suppose to recieve) . If you dont have power, note this, Some things have to get out of your life and some things have to come in. Imagine that someone who has problem with lust for various women is given superman like powers like xray vision. obviously, many people would get pregnant in addition to the good he did. Hear this clearly- Men of power from God are HOLY PEOPLE. That is why atheists should fight pastors who teach that you do not need holiness to see God-Heb 14:12. Also Rom 2:7[i] To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour [/b]and [b]immortality, eternal life.[/i] .
To become holy, pray for grace. this is grace, it teaches you to deny ungodliness and lusts- titus 2:11-12. you know 2+2 is 4 because you where taught. same thing. you would know how to be holy if you were taught. If you are not taught, do not claim to be holy or full of grace.

Also think b4 writing. baptism does not cleanse from sin, if not israelites wont sacrifice and Jesus wont need to come. Also see 1Pe 3:21: The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: .The baptism that saves is the answering of a good conscience towards God not the washing of the filth of the flesh. This is why babies would make heaven because they have a good conscience.

One of Jesus last prayers on earth is that christians should know God- John 17. Any doctrine you believe in, go and find out the reason behind it. do not ever think God cannot help you understand His ways. You would make many people laugh if when you face judgement seat, you explain that the reason why you had a strong evil belief is because your pastor or grandmother told you. In all your getting, get understanding.

Jessicha:
You are not okay .


Meanwhile , the bold is a lie ... Upon death , a dead human is [size=24] Free from his sins [/size] - Romans 6:7 , righteous justice dont purnish a free /an innocent person .

olarwhumy6:
God is a merciful father, he cares nd love little children so much read ur Bible well nd see d proof. So why would he destroy Wat he love nd cherish? Children are God's heritage. That's d reason Christians dedicate their children to God wen they are little. when u dedicate ur child to God den leave d rest to him no even wil befall him even death wil flee. But babies dat are nt dedicated to God... Y nt let God b d judge?

chakwa:
I usually encourage people to be open minded, and count possibilities. 1st, babies go to heaven, and even some people who were in the flood made it to heaven finally as 1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. tells us.

But even if the bible did not write this, open mindedness would have made you to think of the possibility of people repenting when the rain started and they where about to die.

As for the issue of free from sin: this is the full verse that would have made some people to laugh at your ignorance that you upheld so valiantly (except me. that is why i encourage open mindedness. it is animalistic to laugh at people as explained later).

As for the issue of the existence of God, I am a medical student. things around me opened my mind to possibilities. A patient was diagnosed HIV 1 and HIV 2 positive. the sickness was already manifesting because the CD4 count was low- (low immune response to illness). After a relative of mine (a doctor) finally prayed for her, she went for the test again as she noticed improvement in her health. she was HIV negative. COnfused, she confirmed the test again, same result. I am a type of person that i prefer to believe after seeing so when
i embark on a journey, there is no need to turn back. This kind of things blow away the minds of those in the medical field including the person that prayed for her. ANother example was cancer of the cervix that was healed etc.

If you tell an animal that a vehicle exists that can move faster than the speed of sound, you might get laughter(hyena) or be eaten alongside. but it doesnt mean that that vehicle doesnt exist. I believe that insulting one another (bunch of confused people, you are decieving yourself) over unconfirmed issues, is animalistic. Humans should act intelligently. everyone deserve to be heard. I like your questions, they deserve explanations @Hard mirror, but be open minded.

HardMirror:
Hehehehe.. Na wa o.
Can you even hear yourself?
He cares and loves little children very much. Smh
So if I care and love you I will drown you in a flood while I save animals and insects? I will let you burn with wicked sinners in sodom?
What a way of showing love.

olarwhumy6:
the way pple turn Bible upside down always mak me laff, pls wen reading d Bible next pray for d holy spirit for guidance nd understanding. As I said children who are dedicated to God no evil wil befall them. Ow ar u so sure dey were dedicated? Even if dey were, y didn't deir parent enter d ark nd why were deir parent nt counted among d percentage of righteous Abraham negotiated wiv God wen he want to destroy Sodom? mysterious are d works nd ways of God, it's beyond human reasoning, u dnt knw Wat God did to those children let him b d judge.

olarwhumy6:
the way pple turn Bible upside down always mak me laff, pls wen reading d Bible next pray for d holy spirit for guidance nd understanding. As I said children who are dedicated to God no evil wil befall them. Ow ar u so sure dey were dedicated? Even if dey were, y didn't deir parent enter d ark nd why were deir parent nt counted among d percentage of righteous Abraham negotiated wiv God wen he want to destroy Sodom? mysterious are d works nd ways of God, it's beyond human reasoning, u dnt knw Wat God did to those children let him b d judge.

TrajansKong:
It matters not. God's will is all. Human feeling has no place in Heaven. Babies there shall be amongst the billions upon billions who burn now and forevermore.

Kneel and Praise Him! He is good!!

olarwhumy6:
God is a merciful father, he cares nd love little children so much read ur Bible well nd see d proof. So why would he destroy Wat he love nd cherish? Children are God's heritage. That's d reason Christians dedicate their children to God wen they are little. when u dedicate ur child to God den leave d rest to him no even wil befall him even death wil flee. But babies dat are nt dedicated to God... Y nt let God b d judge?

chakwa:
SENSE

Babies would go to heaven because they have not sinned. Just like animals that do not have the ability to think and choose good or bad. I am not saying animals make heaven o! What i am saying is when bible says all have sinned, he is not talking of creatures that dont have choice but people who had the ability to chose and still sinned.

Understand this. sincerely, any rational christian who believe they would make it to heaven would have to answer this question- Why do you thank God that you are still on earth. MAny people who do not have this reasoning would therefore complain and shout when they hear that children were killed.

In the Genesis, you might notice that some promises to Abraham where not fufilled immediately because the sins of the amorites where not yet full. God still gave them chance to have a change of heart for a long time. People like Balaam and Jethro and Rahab heeded initially. Dont you wish that theives, rapists, murderers stop their practices or be seperated from the public(jail etc)? Well God gave time and when the time was up, He judged them and didnt allow the children to be orphans on earth. instead He ordered that they should be transferred to the life beyond-glory. Also, there are some bad things that are going to happen to people (because 2+2=4 wat you sow you reap) but it is completely your choice. if Judas has changed his mind before his cup of transgression filled up, his story would have been different so he wasnt given the grace to repent like Peter. you can check 2Pet2:20-21. Judas had been a thief, long before the betrayal. Maybe thinking Jesus would use His power to escape.

Concerning predestination. NOte this; God gave man charge and dominion over this earth. Meaning it is humans that should decide things on this earth. there is always an option to call Him to help. Imagine you were give a house, after leaving in the house for 30 years, someone comes and hijack it suddenly without informing you; you would be left stranded obviously. same thing, God cannot do things on this earth without a man been involved.

No one is predestined to go to hell, but many people are predestined to give glory to God, whether in sin or not, like pharoah. God choses the best. Someone that can lose his birthright to food is not fit to rule a nation and so would be chosen for lesser duties, if not, he can sell his nation if they would give him 5 billion dollars every year. infact, it is predestination that helps the christian race. Because God had to look out for the person with the best chance of doing something positive in this fractured world. SO there is no unrighteousness in God's selection.

The reason why there is problem on earth is because men of power did not stop the problems. to find out if you have power, decree a thing to happen on this earth and see if it would happen (ask and you suppose to recieve) . If you dont have power, note this, Some things have to get out of your life and some things have to come in. Imagine that someone who has problem with lust for various women is given superman like powers like xray vision. obviously, many people would get pregnant in addition to the good he did. Hear this clearly- Men of power from God are HOLY PEOPLE. That is why atheists should fight pastors who teach that you do not need holiness to see God-Heb 14:12. Also Rom 2:7[i] To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour [/b]and [b]immortality, eternal life.[/i] .
To become holy, pray for grace. this is grace, it teaches you to deny ungodliness and lusts- titus 2:11-12. you know 2+2 is 4 because you where taught. same thing. you would know how to be holy if you were taught. If you are not taught, do not claim to be holy or full of grace.

Also think b4 writing. baptism does not cleanse from sin, if not israelites wont sacrifice and Jesus wont need to come. Also see 1Pe 3:21: The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: .The baptism that saves is the answering of a good conscience towards God not the washing of the filth of the flesh. This is why babies would make heaven because they have a good conscience.

One of Jesus last prayers on earth is that christians should know God- John 17. Any doctrine you believe in, go and find out the reason behind it. do not ever think God cannot help you understand His ways. You would make many people laugh if when you face judgement seat, you explain that the reason why you had a strong evil belief is because your pastor or grandmother told you. In all your getting, get understanding.

CoolUsername:
Good for burning babies? Do you know hw you sound? I'm sure if a muslim was saying these exact things that you are, you'll think he/she is a complete loon.

CoolUsername:
You're glossing over details here. Did God kill innocent babies I Sodom or what? Was God not about to kill Moses' infant child before Zipporah hastily circumcised him ?

CoolUsername:
Yeah but God KNOWS everything, right? So then, how can we have complete control over actions? If he truly knows all, he'll know from our birth, whether we'll go to heaven or not. If he doesn't know, then he's not omniscient.

HardMirror:
Let me quote this for future reference.
Bunch of confused people. Today you say people will perish if they are not born again, tomorrow you say he who is dead is free from his sins.
Smh
I just dey laugh. Indeed religion tells a lot about people's intelligence

HardMirror:
So once shekau and his boko haram boys die, they are free from their sin. Hmmm...
I keep loving christainity. Bunch of confused people.
U keep trying to defend god and end up showing your folly.
So I as an atheist will be free from my sin once I die (according to your logic). Interesting.

So why are you guys wasting time preaching jesus. We don't need him then.

TrajansKong:
Wrong. If a Muslim says the same I see he has clear understanding of the nature of the Creator. Your problem is as HardMirror stated above: If we humans can be compassionate, how much more a all loving god, all powerful.

He is a war god, a jealous god. His currency obedience, his weapon fear. This we know and yet, against all proofs in the Bible and in the history of the church, you believe God has human sentiments, that He is like you a fawning mortal. What is a child's life to Him if that child is not baptised? That child is of the devil and must burn. You false Christians have turned away from the true face of the Lord of Hosts as delineated in scripture.

He is not a weak-hearted human. He will not be mocked!!

Jessicha:
" the wages sin pays is Death" ROM 6:23 , so once u die .. Uv paid the wage of ur sins , automatically after paying ur wages , such a person is " Free from his sin" Rom 6:7



This is what happens when u dont pay attention

" the wages sin pays is Death , but the ***GIFT** God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord " Romans 6:23

Can u now see the role of Jesus ? He came so we can have everlasting life which is a gift. By living a righteous life ,u show God that u want him to give you that GIFT .. Therefore , u hav d hope of a resurection

Jessicha:
i dont understand why u are crying .... Pls show me where i said the bold ? Ur failure to do that will spell trouble .

HardMirror:
If I asked, "do you think a 1 year old, 2 year old, maybe 5 month old or 1day old baby would go to hell if it dies, what would you say?" Most likely you would say NO.
But from accounts in the bible the answer is YES.

God obviously does not care if you are 1 day old or 1000years old. So far you are not part of his "Chosen" then you are up for destruction.

Have you ever wondered why god destroyed the whole sodom and gomorrah without sparing anyone? Or are there no babies in sodom?

Answer is yes, there are babies there.

Are the babies also sinners?

Hmmm.. If you say no, then that means god unjustly destroyed them


If you say yes, then that means even now if a child dies, it is going to hell, because it is a sinner. For ALL have sinned. And don't forget christainity teaches us that we inherited sin from adam and eve.

Either YES or NO, it is certain babies are going to hell since they are not born-again.

Or what do you think?

Maybe this is the reason why many babies are starving and dying of hunger while god is blessing some with private jets, luxury cars, mansions etc. He does not work by feeling, being an innocent baby does not matter to him. God is good! All the time! All the time! God is good!

Jessicha:
" the wages sin pays is Death" ROM 6:23 , so once u die .. Uv paid the wage of ur sins , automatically after paying ur wages , such a person is " Free from his sin" Rom 6:7



This is what happens when u dont pay attention

" the wages sin pays is Death , but the ***GIFT** God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord " Romans 6:23

Can u now see the role of Jesus ? He came so we can have everlasting life which is a gift. By living a righteous life ,u show God that u want him to give you that GIFT .. Therefore , u hav d hope of a resurection

ValentineMary:

Are u just joking or u are serious when u said God is good with all those attributes? Pls reply before I make my next statement