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Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(m): 10:57am On Dec 26, 2017
I have been on this board for years and one must be forced to admit that all the arguments we go through here have seen numerous recycling. It is not so surprising because the argument of whether God(s) exist or not will always remain an Inconclusive one

But there are also some arguments here that are nothing but just silly. Some absurd arguments unworthy of attention due to the gross misrepresentation or just naivety of the arguer on the subject.

Here are a list of arguments i think should not cross over to 2018.

Atheism is a religion

As ridiculous as this sounds, it still somehow manages to crop up every now and then. Atheism is just as much religion as theism and theism is not a religion but a position.

I will try to simplify this to the most fundamental build-up so that whoever brings it up again, we all will agree is an id-iot.

Theism - Belief that God exists: This is not a religion, it is just a label for exercising belief in God or Gods

Atheism - Disbelief in the existence of God: Just like theism this is still not a religion but rather a label to quantify the position of unbelief in deities.

However. Religions can be formed based on Theistic and atheistic principles.

For example: Christianity, Islam, Hinduism are religions based on the fundamental principles or assumption that God exists,
Broad atheistic religions like Buddhism, Jainism, Taoism lack this principle, either in denial of Gods or a clear indifference to the subject.

Imagine Theism or atheism as beer crates.

In the theistic crate you find A bottle of christianity, Islam, hinduism, ATL and many others. Removes these bottles, the crate will still be there.

Same goes for atheism.

So to say Atheism is a religion is just an imbecilic as saying a crate of beer is a bottle.





Without God, where do atheists get their morality from?

This argument is used often and mostly from a naive standpoint. One must first of all understand the average atheist's stance on morality. Morality is a societal construct, a society makes and sets it's own rules and laws, stipulates it's own morals and this is hinged on a basic definition.

"Anything that decreases human suffering and directly or indirectly affects general societal well being, justice, equality, freedom and continuation"

This definition is socially hinged.

On the other hand, a sin is a religious construct and this are actions that goes against God's will.

A sin therefore is not necessarily societally wrong.

Atheists do not really bother what your religion regards a sin or not, No. Atheists are humans in a human society therefore are guided by human laws and ethics as stipulated by the society.

And also react to certain actions out of empathy, compassion and love and these are human emotions.



Who created the universe?

First, this argument invokes the logical fallacy of begging the question. By using the "term" who, you have already determined that your answer must be a "who" therefore whatever answer that falls out of this predetermined expectation scope is invalid and wrong.

Rather the correct question is "How did the universe came to be?" with this your answer can either be a "who" or a "what"

Again, this argument also is a projection of argument from ignorance, if you do not know how the universe came to be therefore God.

Being an atheist doesn't give you a first row seat during creation, factually we all can only speculate and assume or trying to scientifically connect the dots of creation through scientifically observed facts.

So we may disagree on our world view on how we think it all started but do not assume up or impose a position on the atheist argument until heard.


more to follow.... You may also add yours.

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Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(m): 11:06am On Dec 26, 2017
Atheism is the opposite of religion

This is typically found among atheists especially new ones. Somehow most people mistake irreligiously for atheism which is not so.

One do not necessarily need to be religious to believe in God.

And one also do not necessarily need to be irreligious in order to be atheistic.

Though it will be fair to note that irreligiousness is mostly found in atheists but there are also people who believe in God but are not religious.

One can be religious and still be atheistic, there are numerous religious practices that exempt or are indifferent to the existence of God.

Irreligiosness is the direct opposite of religiosity

A truer statement rather is that Atheism is the opposite of theism

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Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by HallaDaTruth: 11:13am On Dec 26, 2017
Hmmm

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Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by lokobyforch(m): 11:14am On Dec 26, 2017
wink

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Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by psalmson001: 11:28am On Dec 26, 2017
Hmmm hmmmm

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Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by hopefulLandlord: 11:28am On Dec 26, 2017
this looks interesting, carry on bro

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Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by mujahid777(m): 11:47am On Dec 26, 2017
You gave a humanist definition of what morality should be and not an atheistic one.Atheism in itself has no concept of morality.
Believing in an uncaused universe is an irrational viewpoint,hence the necessity of God.

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Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by hopefulLandlord: 11:53am On Dec 26, 2017
mujahid777:
You gave a humanist definition of what morality should be and not an atheistic one.Atheism in itself has no concept of morality.
Believing in an uncaused universe is an irrational viewpoint,hence the necessity of God.

create a different thread and let's trash this

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Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by tintingz(m): 12:05pm On Dec 26, 2017
mujahid777:
You gave a humanist definition of what morality should be and not an atheistic one.Atheism in itself has no concept of morality.
Believing in an uncaused universe is an irrational viewpoint,hence the necessity of God.
Are you saying an atheist can't be a Humanist? undecided

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Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by vaxx: 12:12pm On Dec 26, 2017
Unintelligent and foolish argument posed by atheists that must end before the 2017 Gregorian calender finally comes to an end.

The universe was accidentally created....

There is no scientific proof of the existence of God, therefore no God.......

Life purpose has no meaning


Atheism stand as a better alternative to religion....


Attacking an individual instead of the religion he or she practised.....

Religion is the cause of war.....


We say No to barbaric argument. .


Using this opportunity to wish nairaland Christians a happy Christmas.....

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Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(m): 12:14pm On Dec 26, 2017
mujahid777:
You gave a humanist definition of what morality should be and not an atheistic one.Atheism in itself has no concept of morality.
Believing in an uncaused universe is an irrational viewpoint,hence the necessity of God.

Last I checked I referred to my definition as socially hinged not atheistic..

Haaaaaa..
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(m): 12:15pm On Dec 26, 2017
mujahid777:

Believing in an uncaused universe is an irrational viewpoint,hence the necessity of God.

Believing in an uncaused God isn't irrational?

Imagine the irony and consonant conclusions on uncausality packed in this one post..

Funny grin

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Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by Samsimple(m): 12:18pm On Dec 26, 2017
I agree atheism is not a religion then what the hell are you guys f*cking doing in this motherf*cking religion section other than to disturb dem f*cking believers

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Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by johnydon22(m): 12:21pm On Dec 26, 2017
Samsimple:
I agree atheism is not a religion then what the hell are you guys f*cking doing in this motherf*cking religion section other than to disturb dem f*cking believers

Atheism is the disbelief in God(s).. Niaraland religious section treats the subject of God, so we are here to air our own opinion on the subject of God..

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Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by CandidSeeker(m): 12:32pm On Dec 26, 2017
johnydon22:
Atheism is the opposite of religion

This is typically found among atheists especially new ones. Somehow most people mistake irreligiously for atheism which is not so.

One do not necessarily need to be religious to believe in God.

And one also do not necessarily need to be irreligious in order to be atheistic.

Though it will be fair to note that irreligiousness is mostly found in atheists but there are also people who believe in God but are not religious.

One can be religious and still be atheistic, there are numerous religious practices that exempt or are indifferent to the existence of God.

Irreligiosness is the direct opposite of religiosity

A truer statement rather is that Atheism is the opposite of theism


RELIGION MAY OR MAYNOT INVOLVE GOD.

Going By The Definitions Below, We Are All Religious
.

An activity that someone is extremely enthusiastic about and does regularly. -Cambridge

A pursuit or interest followed with great devotion. -Oxford Living Dictionaries

A specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects. -Dictionary.com

An interest, a belief or an activity that is very important to a person or group. -Webster

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Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by MrHistorian: 12:42pm On Dec 26, 2017
angry
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by Tugsramm(m): 12:43pm On Dec 26, 2017
johnydon22:
I have been on this board for years and one must be forced to admit that all the arguments we go through here have seen numerous recycling. It is not so surprising because the argument of whether God(s) exist or not will always remain an Inconclusive one

But there are also some arguments here that are nothing but just silly. Some absurd arguments unworthy of attention due to the gross misrepresentation or just naivety of the arguer on the subject.

Here are a list of arguments i think should not cross over to 2018.

Atheism is a religion

As ridiculous as this sounds, it still somehow manages to crop up every now and then. Atheism is just as much religion as theism and theism is not a religion but a position.

I will try to simplify this to the most fundamental build-up so that whoever brings it up again, we all will agree is an id-iot.

Theism - Belief that God exists: This is not a religion, it is just a label for exercising belief in God or Gods

Atheism - Disbelief in the existence of God: Just like theism this is still not a religion but rather a label to quantify the position of unbelief in deities.

However. Religions can be formed based on Theistic and atheistic principles.

For example: Christianity, Islam, Hinduism are religions based on the fundamental principles or assumption that God exists,
Broad atheistic religions like Buddhism, Jainism, Taoism lack this principle, either in denial of Gods or a clear indifference to the subject.

Imagine Theism or atheism as beer crates.

In the theistic crate you find A bottle of christianity, Islam, hinduism, ATL and many others. Removes these bottles, the crate will still be there.

Same goes for atheism.

So to say Atheism is a religion is just an imbecilic as saying a crate of beer is a bottle.





Without God, where do atheists get their morality from?

This argument is used often and mostly from a naive standpoint. One must first of all understand the average atheist's stance on morality. Morality is a societal construct, a society makes and sets it's own rules and laws, stipulates it's own morals and this is hinged on a basic definition.

"Anything that decreases human suffering and directly or indirectly affects general societal well being, justice, equality, freedom and continuation"

This definition is socially hinged.

On the other hand, a sin is a religious construct and this are actions that goes against God's will.

A sin therefore is not necessarily societally wrong.

Atheists do not really bother what your religion regards a sin or not, No. Atheists are humans in a human society therefore are guided by human laws and ethics as stipulated by the society.

And also react to certain actions out of empathy, compassion and love and these are human emotions.



Who created the universe?

First, this argument invokes the logical fallacy of begging the question. By using the "term" who, you have already determined that your answer must be a "who" therefore whatever answer that falls out of this predetermined expectation scope is invalid and wrong.

Rather the correct question is "How did the universe came to be?" with this your answer can either be a "who" or a "what"

Again, this argument also is a projection of argument from ignorance, if you do not know how the universe came to be therefore God.

Being an atheist doesn't give you a first row seat during creation, factually we all can only speculate and assume or trying to scientifically connect the dots of creation through scientifically observed facts.

So we may disagree on our world view on how we think it all started but do not assume up or impose a position on the atheist argument until heard.


more to follow.... You may also add yours.
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by mhisbliss(f): 12:44pm On Dec 26, 2017
summary please

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Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by Nobody: 12:44pm On Dec 26, 2017
Coming back to comment

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Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by RoyalBlak007: 12:44pm On Dec 26, 2017
I doubt
it
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by yeyeboi(m): 12:45pm On Dec 26, 2017
Ok
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by NothingDoMe: 12:45pm On Dec 26, 2017
@johnydon22. I'm of the opinion that a mortal man shouldn't make use of the word MUST when he doesn't have the power to enforce it.

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Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by hopefulLandlord: 12:46pm On Dec 26, 2017
front-page, wow!
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by lilmax(m): 12:46pm On Dec 26, 2017
the crap "atheism " should end in 2017


it can't stand without a God....I don't take atheists seriously

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Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by Chrisrare: 12:46pm On Dec 26, 2017
Nice writeup
Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by Sapiosexuality(m): 12:47pm On Dec 26, 2017
I'd also like to see the end of the tag 'Agnostic Atheist'. It makes no sense. You are either an atheist or agnostic. You can't be both.

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Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by hopefulLandlord: 12:47pm On Dec 26, 2017
all pedantry does is stop discussion in its tracks
CandidSeeker:


RELIGION MAY OR MAYNOT INVOLVE GOD.

Going By The Definitions Below, We Are All Religious
.

An activity that someone is extremely enthusiastic about and does regularly. -Cambridge

this muddles up a lot of things as anything can be a religion, I'm extremely enthusiastic about eating food, so food is a religion?

see?

A pursuit or interest followed with great devotion. -Oxford Living Dictionaries
I'm a building technologist and I follow this with great devotion as I make huge level of researches and experiments, that means building technology is a religion?

A specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects. -Dictionary.com
This makes sense

An interest, a belief or an activity that is very important to a person or group. -Webster
I love football and watch my club (Real Madrid) on TV and have even watched them live a couple of times, does that suddenly make Real Madrid a religion?

BTW I find it funny how Christians suddenly get pedantic when it comes to trying to force atheism into religion but would shy from the same by saying "Christianity is not a religion" so pray tell, how does any of those definitions you googled don't apply to Christianity

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Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by Nwaoma198(f): 12:47pm On Dec 26, 2017
I am still very sure, u are still using the restroom......Please do come out cause I wan help reset ur crayfish brain lipsrsealed
vaxx:
Unintelligent and foolish argument posed by atheists that must end before the 2017 Gregorian calender finally comes to an end.

The universe was accidentally created....

There is no scientific proof of the existence of God, therefore no God.......

Life purpose has no meaning


Atheism stand as a better alternative to religion....


Attacking an individual instead of the religion he or she practised.....

Religion is the cause of war.....


We say No to barbaric argument. .


Using this opportunity to wish nairaland Christians a happy Christmas.....

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Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by grin88(m): 12:47pm On Dec 26, 2017
sad

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Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by Heywhizzy(m): 12:48pm On Dec 26, 2017
What am I doing here

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Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by eleko1: 12:48pm On Dec 26, 2017
sad

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