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HardMirror:
Bring the trouble. You obviously have no answer to my question so swerve.

Jessicha:
" as for the dead , they are conscious of nothing at all " - ecc 9:5

HardMirror:
If I asked, "do you think a 1 year old, 2 year old, maybe 5 month old or 1day old baby would go to hell if it dies, what would you say?" Most likely you would say NO.
But from accounts in the bible the answer is YES.

God obviously does not care if you are 1 day old or 1000years old. So far you are not part of his "Chosen" then you are up for destruction.

Have you ever wondered why god destroyed the whole sodom and gomorrah without sparing anyone? Or are there no babies in sodom?

Answer is yes, there are babies there.

Are the babies also sinners?

Hmmm.. If you say no, then that means god unjustly destroyed them


If you say yes, then that means even now if a child dies, it is going to hell, because it is a sinner. For ALL have sinned. And don't forget christainity teaches us that we inherited sin from adam and eve.

Either YES or NO, it is certain babies are going to hell since they are not born-again.

Or what do you think?

Maybe this is the reason why many babies are starving and dying of hunger while god is blessing some with private jets, luxury cars, mansions etc. He does not work by feeling, being an innocent baby does not matter to him. God is good! All the time! All the time! God is good!

TrajansKong:
BLASPHEMER!

HELL IS A PLACE OF FIRE
The man in Luke 16:24 cries: ". . .I am tormented in this FLAME."

In Matthew 13:42, Jesus says: "And shall cast them into a FURNACE OF FIRE: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

In Matthew 25:41, Jesus says: "Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting FIRE,. "

Revelation20:15 says,"And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the LAKE OF FIRE"

Jessicha:
Lols , bring the trouble , so u gat no evidence that I said such , u are just blabbing as usual ..Confuse person .

Jessicha:
No scripture can contradict Ecc 9:5 , Get Wisdom



Its a parable boy , you urself confess by saying the man NOT some imaginary ghost ; the rich man has eyes and tongue , isnt it ?



Gnashing of TEETH indeed ! Am sure Jesus knows ur teeth are buried in the grave , its just you that lacks wisdom to understnd his parables .


Everlasting fire means destruction - jude 6 , 2peter 2:6



Lake of fire means " second death " (rev 20:14) not torment .

bolaji3071:
All i sense here is a man thats trying to mock God. But be not be deceived by the devil satan because God cannot be mocked.


Same bible told us that except a man be born again & humble as little children, he will not enter the kingdom of God. Little children who haven't have the knowledge of good and bad are not going to hell.

orunto27:
Nature, the Universe and all that are in it, including humans are created FOR GOD's PLEASURE! Therefore Darkness/Light, Good/Evil, Life/Death etc are created for God's Pleasure. The first law of God is Nature, in it Cane killed Abel. God Himself Judged Cane. Human race commited numerous other sins, God wiped them all off, children and aged by Flood, leaving Noah and his chosen ones. Before the Food disaster, God had punished humans for reckless living by limiting life span to 120. Abraham was Mr. Faith and God's friend. God confided in him that He would not wipe off Sodom&Goma. if He found at least five righteous people in the land. God sent two Angels plus Lot, his daughter and her fiance, making five righteous people before God. The Sodomites clamoured to mess them up. They did not serve God's Pleasure. God wiped them all out off the earth, children and aged. Second law of God-Ten Commandments. In one of them, God established Genetology when He promised to visit parents' sins on their generations yet unborn. Since then, wherever you see children dying, God's pleasure is missing. In all, God who controls Darkness&Light and good&bad always leave fields for Repentance, Corrections and Forgiveness. He is always there to bring any of our children including the foetus out of darkness and death into light and life by our Prayers and our Forgiveness. God is not wicked but His Laws and Will must be obeyed. And if you become selfish and unrepentant to relate naturally to Him, He will punish you and your children's children forever. This is the general law.

orunto27:
Nature, the Universe and all that are in it, including humans are created FOR GOD's PLEASURE! Therefore Darkness/Light, Good/Evil, Life/Death etc are created for God's Pleasure. The first law of God is Nature, in it Cane killed Abel. God Himself Judged Cane. Human race commited numerous other sins, God wiped them all off, children and aged by Flood, leaving Noah and his chosen ones. Before the Food disaster, God had punished humans for reckless living by limiting life span to 120. Abraham was Mr. Faith and God's friend. God confided in him that He would not wipe off Sodom&Goma. if He found at least five righteous people in the land. God sent two Angels plus Lot, his daughter and her fiance, making five righteous people before God. The Sodomites clamoured to mess them up. They did not serve God's Pleasure. God wiped them all out off the earth, children and aged. Second law of God-Ten Commandments. In one of them, God established Genetology when He promised to visit parents' sins on their generations yet unborn. Since then, wherever you see children dying, God's pleasure is missing. In all, God who controls Darkness&Light and good&bad always leave fields for Repentance, Corrections and Forgiveness. He is always there to bring any of our children including the foetus out of darkness and death into light and life by our Prayers and our Forgiveness. God is not wicked but His Laws and Will must be obeyed. And if you become selfish and unrepentant to relate naturally to Him, He will punish you and your children's children forever. This is the general law.

orunto27:
Human race commited numerous other sins, God wiped them all off, children and aged by Flood, leaving Noah and his chosen ones. Before the Food disaster, God had punished humans for reckless living by limiting life span to 120. Abraham was Mr. Faith and God's friend. God confided in him that He would not wipe off Sodom&Goma. if He found at least five righteous people in the land. God sent two Angels plus Lot, his daughter and her fiance, making five righteous people before God.

HardMirror:
I am not joking. I don't find it funny that people actually believe this obvious lies.
Better than saying god is evil. It's a sad sarcasm.

orunto27:
You said it right. I am a Cultist of the Body of all Born Agains in Christ jesus.

orunto27:
You said it right. I am a Cultist of the Body of all Born Agains in Christ jesus.

orunto27:
Nature, the Universe and all that are in it, including humans are created FOR GOD's PLEASURE! Therefore Darkness/Light, Good/Evil, Life/Death etc are created for God's Pleasure. The first law of God is Nature, in it Cane killed Abel. God Himself Judged Cane. Human race commited numerous other sins, God wiped them all off, children and aged by Flood, leaving Noah and his chosen ones. Before the Food disaster, God had punished humans for reckless living by limiting life span to 120. Abraham was Mr. Faith and God's friend. God confided in him that He would not wipe off Sodom&Goma. if He found at least five righteous people in the land. God sent two Angels plus Lot, his daughter and her fiance, making five righteous people before God. The Sodomites clamoured to mess them up. They did not serve God's Pleasure. God wiped them all out off the earth, children and aged. Second law of God-Ten Commandments. In one of them, God established Genetology when He promised to visit parents' sins on their generations yet unborn. Since then, wherever you see children dying, God's pleasure is missing. In all, God who controls Darkness&Light and good&bad always leave fields for Repentance, Corrections and Forgiveness. He is always there to bring any of our children including the foetus out of darkness and death into light and life by our Prayers and our Forgiveness. God is not wicked but His Laws and Will must be obeyed. And if you become selfish and unrepentant to relate naturally to Him, He will punish you and your children's children forever. This is the general law.

HardMirror:
At this point I must say, it is very obvious to even fanatical christains that their is a problem with their believe. No one has been able to refute the facts I presented.

Are babies going to heaven or hell?

No straight answer.


Why is it that god did not give a damn about the innocence of children in past judgments such as the great flood, sodom and gomorrah, isrealites wiping out all their enemies etc


It is obvious that it's wee humans are the ones trying to assume babies go to heaven.

So according to the bible, what is the purpose of life? When even babies enjoy no sympathy from god. Why send them to earth when he can see the future and he knows they will die as babies?

Why should an all powerful, all LOVING god use fire to resolve his problem with sodom including innocent animals and children?

the bible says ALL the men of sodom gathered at Lots house, yet the bible conveniently excused Lots inlaws from being among ALL the men. How can a righteous man offer his virgin daughters to ALL the men of a town to be raped? Is that the best solution he could come up with?

HardMirror:
If I asked, "do you think a 1 year old, 2 year old, maybe 5 month old or 1day old baby would go to hell if it dies, what would you say?" Most likely you would say NO.
But from accounts in the bible the answer is YES.

God obviously does not care if you are 1 day old or 1000years old. So far you are not part of his "Chosen" then you are up for destruction.

Have you ever wondered why god destroyed the whole sodom and gomorrah without sparing anyone? Or are there no babies in sodom?

Answer is yes, there are babies there.

Are the babies also sinners?

Hmmm.. If you say no, then that means god unjustly destroyed them


If you say yes, then that means even now if a child dies, it is going to hell, because it is a sinner. For ALL have sinned. And don't forget christainity teaches us that we inherited sin from adam and eve.

Either YES or NO, it is certain babies are going to hell since they are not born-again.

Or what do you think?

Maybe this is the reason why many babies are starving and dying of hunger while god is blessing some with private jets, luxury cars, mansions etc. He does not work by feeling, being an innocent baby does not matter to him. God is good! All the time! All the time! God is good!

jared007:
Atheist like u shouldnt worry about heaven or hell. Babies who havent gotten to the age of accountability are saved by legal salvation(jesus died for the sins of the whole world). Babies who ve gotten to the age of accountability are saved by vital salvation( acceptance and confession of jesus as their saviour. Rom 10:10) THE MAJOR REASON PEOPLE GO TO HELL IS BECOS THEY REJECTED JESUS!

jared007:
Atheist like u shouldnt worry about heaven or hell. Babies who havent gotten to the age of accountability are saved by legal salvation(jesus died for the sins of the whole world). Babies who ve gotten to the age of accountability are saved by vital salvation( acceptance and confession of jesus as their saviour. Rom 10:10) THE MAJOR REASON PEOPLE GO TO HELL IS BECOS THEY REJECTED JESUS!

orunto27:
I am not an athiest, believe that. I only needed five righteous people to disprove the point about Sodom. Now that you have increased the number by two to seven, drop the two Angels and you still have five and yet the people of Sodom demonstrated before God that they were rapists.

accountable01:
I believe you if u say so, but your write up says almost opposite.
you needed 5 righteous people but God needed 10.
God is a God of covenant. He says what He means and means what He says:

[Gen 18:32-33 And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake. 33 And the LORD went his way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place.

your attempt at defending God, though well-meaning, painted Him in a bad light( why the op is calling u his brother). stay where the bible stays. don't try to use ur own human wisdom to defend God.

HardMirror:
If I asked, "do you think a 1 year old, 2 year old, maybe 5 month old or 1day old baby would go to hell if it dies, what would you say?" Most likely you would say NO.
But from accounts in the bible the answer is YES.

God obviously does not care if you are 1 day old or 1000years old. So far you are not part of his "Chosen" then you are up for destruction.

Have you ever wondered why god destroyed the whole sodom and gomorrah without sparing anyone? Or are there no babies in sodom?

Answer is yes, there are babies there.

Are the babies also sinners?

Hmmm.. If you say no, then that means god unjustly destroyed them


If you say yes, then that means even now if a child dies, it is going to hell, because it is a sinner. For ALL have sinned. And don't forget christainity teaches us that we inherited sin from adam and eve.

Either YES or NO, it is certain babies are going to hell since they are not born-again.

Or what do you think?

Maybe this is the reason why many babies are starving and dying of hunger while god is blessing some with private jets, luxury cars, mansions etc. He does not work by feeling, being an innocent baby does not matter to him. God is good! All the time! All the time! God is good!

accountable01:
would like to know what the op thinks about these verse:

"And the little ones that you said would be taken captive,
your children who do not yet know good from bad--they
will enter the land. I will give it to them and they will take
possession of it" Deut 1: 39

And should I not have concern for the great city of Nineveh,
in which there are more than a hundred and twenty
thousand people who cannot tell their right hand from their
left--and also many animals?Jonah 4:11

the population of Nineveh was reckoned to be about 600000, if the infants were about 120,000.

HardMirror:
First let me commend you and the other guy. I am glad you guys are beginning to address my query directly. Thanks

Now to the verses you quoted. That is commendable. But if god could reason like this, why didn't he apply same to the generation of noah and sodom? Why the inconsistency?
Why is it same god says he will visit the sins of fathers on the children unto the 4th generation? Could it be that these inconsistency is a product of the different authors of the bible?
These are my thoughts

accountable01:
the bible has only one author.
before addressing ur question( not that I claim to have all the answers but we can examine scriptures together) let us address the premise upon which u concluded that God sends infants to hell.

it is true that infants were destroyed in the fiery judgement of Sodom. who told u God sent them to hell thereafter. do u have other scriptures that clearly shows God throwing infants in hell?