Joy1706:
Most of the submissive women I know are being beaten n and cheated on by their husbands. So all this one these guys are saying that if u submit ur husband will go out of his way to please u. NA LIE O. He will just build a mansion on top of ur head. That being said, its only a crazy woman won't submit to a man who truly loves her

A man who truly loves his wife will never beat her. If you love an object not even a human being you will not want it to be damaged. Let use an example you expensive phone you really like, you will not want anybody to damage it , ...... True love comes with other human qualities like affection, caring ... The fault of most women is that they put materials things over good morals and the fault of most men is that they place beauty over submissiveness, good morality ......... and other requirements that make marriage work.

kilode100:
Money answereth all things.

I can never submit/love a love man.

If age has passed me by, I can manage a good looking poor man to marry, but, submitting to him is out of the question.

wat is dis 1 saying?

Joy1706:

WRONG! Love is a choice and submission is equally a choice esp in marriage

Na.. You don't choose who you love, you just find yourself loving the person. Its a feeling you can't control. Whatever you can't control is not a decision.

Submission is a decision.

Statement that you choose who you love to me is false.. Maybe you can choose who to like but to choose who to love? Can you even define love self?

HIbreed:
a man must love you first before approaching youif thats your mentality,then you are finished

Hehehehe.

All a woman wants is the assurance a man would stand by and care for her at all times. Once a man can get by the possibility of this woman might misbehave (normal for human mortals) but sticks to his aim of taking care of his woman the object of submission would not even be an issue.

Every woman has a fear, the man who can put her mind at rest would own her soul forever.

There is no love without submission. The Bible says wife be submissive to your husband as your are to the church and not wife be submissive to your husband if he don't love. And guy cannot love a girl he just met he will only like here and with time the like grows to love depending on the character the girl exhibits on the long run of the the relationship .

The Way Of A Wicked Woman

Proverb 31:12, “She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life.”

There is a sore evil under the sun that I have sun. Solomon often used that phrase in the Old Testament. Well, I have also seen a sore evil. I have seen this again and again and it is evil to the core.

Some women get married and then don't do their duties as a mother and a wife. While the husband is at work paying the bills, the wife gets into mischief (whether it be gossiping on the phone, flirting with other men, being lazy, not cleaning the house, hiding the mail, criticizing her husband, spending money they don't have, et cetera).

That wife is a dead weight in her husband's life. She drags him down. When he had a zeal for God and wanted to do right, she quenched his fire for God by complaining that he went somewhere with out her, or she nags that he bought something instead of letting her buy something, or she whines about their apartment or is unhappy with the small size of her home. She makes his life more difficult. Instead of being a Biblical HELP MEET (Genesis 2:18), she is a nuisance and a burden to him.

Year-after-year the husband tries to do the right thing, while his wife doesn't care. While he's trying to carry the heavy load of being a father and a husband, she's placing bricks on top of the load, making it more difficult for him. While he's at work, she's watching TV. While he's getting dirty on the job, her house stays dirty because she won't clean it. While he's eating out of a vending machine because she never cares to make him a nice lunch, she eats well at home (with money that he earned to support her). While he's working graveyard shift to support the family, she's at home sleeping normal hours. While he's having a hard time at work with unsaved heathens, she waits until he gets home to continue giving him a hard time.

Time-after-time she abandons ship and leaves him, but he never once leaves her. Time-after-time she drag people into their marriage, who ought to mind their own business; but he never drags anybody into the marriage. Time-after-time she embarrasses him in public, slanders him on the phone, spreads gossip about him, sows discord between him and his friends, screams and yells at him in front of the neighbors; yet he tolerates her because he knows that it's all a part of the sinful nature.

Then after decades of living in a one-way marriage of give-and-take, the husband messes up. Maybe it's a horrible sin, or a foolish and unwise decision. And then the wife files for divorce and demonizes the husband, blaming him for everything as if it was his fault all along. She seeks out support from feminists, a greedy lawyer, apostate ministers, and anybody who will agree with her sinful decision to divorce her husband. Boy, he messed up, he is evil, evil, evil.

I can't think of anything more wicked. I'm not justifying a husband who sins or messes up; I am addressing the hypocritical women who waits until the timing is right and then, after years of being a burden and causing much grief for her husband, she throws in the towel and walks away as if she's an innocent victim of a terrible husband. That's makes you a liar and a quitter. Jesus said only a hard heart brings divorce (Matthew 19:. This wicked generation seeks excuses to justify every sin imaginable, from nuking innocent islanders to abortion, drunkenness, sensual dancing, homosexuality and divorce.

God sees the truth and knows. 1st Samuel 2:3, “Talk no more so exceeding proudly; let not arrogancy come out of your mouth: for the LORD is a God of knowledge, and by him actions are weighed.” I love that Scripture. The Bible says, “Shut up! God knows what's really going on. You can't fool God! God will judge all mankind.” God knows our true intentions in every matter, whether we are sincere or if there is a selfish reason. Proverb 24:12, “If thou sayest, Behold, we knew it not; doth not he that pondereth the heart consider it? and he that keepeth thy soul, doth not he know it? and shall not he render to every man according to his works?”

If you've already put a knife in your husband's back, this article is not for you. No doubt you've already condemned me for speaking the truth of God's Word. I wrote this article to most of you ladies who are still married. Please don't divorce. Whether you feel that you have been a good wife or a bad wife, please don't abandon your loved one. It's more than honoring your marriage vows to your spouse and God on your wedding day.

It's loving Jesus Christ enough to remain loyal to your spouse. Did you hear what I said? It's a matter of whether or not your love Jesus Christ more than yourself. 2nd Timothy 3:1 foretold of the Last Days when people would love only themselves. We are living in these wicked times of apostasy.

2nd Timothy 3:1-5, “This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.”

The way of a wicked woman is to divorce the husband of her youth (your first husband). Jeremiah 3:20, “Surely as a wife treacherously departeth from her husband, so have ye dealt treacherously with me, O house of Israel, saith the LORD.” You are treacherous if you file for divorce. I don't care what your husband has done to you, or what evil he may have caused or did. The Bible warns not to depart from your spouse. That goes for men as well (Malachi 2:16).

If you feel that you need to leave, then do so, but never divorce. 1sy Corinthians 7:10 says not to depart (divorce), but if you do, God commands you never to remarry. If you do, you're an adulterer (Matthew 5:32). The way of a wicked woman is to divorce and then shack-up, living in adultery after quitting her marriage. TENS-OF-MILLIONS of Americans are shacking-up instead of getting married, because of the Godless courts which have perverted justice, equity and truth. Men are terrified to remarry, and women are too vicious to stay with a man anymore. Feminism is cutthroat!

The Dangerous Rise of Sexual Politics

This can all be avoided if women would just be faithful to their marriage vows and stay married. I don't care if you and your husband live separately, work separately and go to separate churches... STAY MARRIED! Whether you like it or not, it is God's way. This selfish idea that God didn't intend for us to be unhappy, so if you're unhappy divorce and move onto greener pastures. You're a selfish jerk if you do that. I'm talking to the jerk who leaves their spouse in tears of agony and loneliness, because you condemned them in their sins and faults. You're so perfect aren't you? If I've rung your bell, good, I hope the shoe fits well. I'm say, don't abandon your spouse! Don't quit!


The Criminal Racket Of Divorce

Listen to me, there are HUNDREDS of excuses to justify divorcing your spouse if you're looking for them. According to law, a divorce should not take place unless there is justifiable cause. The courts are so crooked these days that they've come up with a scam called “Irreconcilable differences.” When you file for divorce ladies, the first thing your lawyer is going to do is ask you for all the dirt on your husband. If he as much as called you a name, your lawyer is going to have the judge summons your husband to court as a criminal. Your husband is going to be served a summons to divorce court by a U.S. Marshall. Lawyers go for the jugular vein in any court case.

What the crooked judge and greedy lawyers really want is a no fault. They know that in many cases that a husband doesn't want a divorce and refuses to sing the divorce agreement. So what they do is threaten him that if he doesn't agree to “Irreconcilable Differences,” then they go after him under criminal law. Either way the wife is going to get her divorce. Lawyers threaten to take away a father's children if he refuses to sign, saying that the judge is a lesbian and will take the wife's side. Lawyers are liars and will say anything to scare, force or coerce you to do what the judge wants done. Your lawyer has no loyalty to you, only to the court.

U.S. courts are feminist influenced, biased against fathers and husbands, and are evil to the core. For any wife to drag her husband into a heathen court of law is the epitome of evil. For a so-called Christian wife to drag her husband into court is to destroy her life's ministry, for God created the woman to be a HELP MEET to her husband. God created man to do his work. God created the woman for the man. If you destroy what's left of your marriage you have flushed your ministry down the toilet. If you remarry, you are living AWOL (absent without leave).


Why God Hates Divorce

Although God will forgive you for the sin of divorce if you seek it, the consequences of your evil will irreversibly hurt the family for a lifetime. The damage cannot be undone. The lives destroyed cannot be rebuilt. The hatred and bitterness caused by a divorce often lasts for decades and until the grave. No wonder God hates divorce so much; it is a sin that perpetuates for a lifetime.

I know what really makes God angry are the marriage-meddlers who are quick to destroy other couple's marriages and families—either because they've ruined their own and misery loves company, or because they're self righteousness hypocrites judging things that they don't fully understand, or they're just plain evil. They think they're helping a wife and doing a good thing; but in reality they are destroying a husband and forcing the children to pay for the sin of divorce.

The serpent came along in the Garden of Eden and deceived Eve into eating the forbidden fruit, and in so doing she ruined the lives of Adam and her children. The same is true with the forbidden fruit of divorce. It will ruin the lives of your family, while the serpents merrily go their way without a care in life. What do they care if they destroy YOUR marriage? What do they lose if they ruin YOUR marriage? What does it cost them? Nothing!

Don't be a fool. Don't make the lawyers richer. Don't give the New World Order more ammunition of another broken family. Nearly every woman who divorces her husband has a list of his faults that she uses in an attempt to justify her evil decision to break her marriage vows. And since there's a bunch of idiots like her who've also quit their marriages, fools are never in need of more fools for companionship. It's called feminism.

The Bible says concerning a godly woman in Proverb 31:12, “She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life.” If you don't like my preaching, then get mad at God because He said it. A godly woman will do her husband good, and not evil, all the days of her life. Divorce is an evil of evils. In fact, next to murdering your spouse it's the worse thing you can ever do to hurt them. In many cases divorce is much worse than death, and preferred by the victim of a divorce. There is no heart's pain in this world any worse than being abandoned by the wife or husband of one's youth.

I could just as easily have applied this truth to women, but there is a big difference. Women find a lot more emotional support, shelters and sympathy in a failing marriage than men do. For that reason, and because women file for divorce at more than twice the rate of men, I reach out primarily to women. My heart's intention is pure before God. I hope to prevent some divorces. Please don't do it. Don't murder your marriage because it's less than perfect.

You know, that's exactly what divorce is, you're murdering your marriage. You might as well take a gun and pull the trigger on your spouse when you file for divorce. If divorce is a light or trifle matter to you, it is only because you have no loyalty nor fear of God before your eyes. Most people don't (Romans 3:18-19).

Listen to me carefully you Christian wives. Couple's descend into the abyss of life's problems together in a marriage, but when one receives what seems like a helping hand out of the pit, and leaves the other spouse to drown in the miseries and burdens of life by filing for divorce... no wonder divorce is the number one cause of suicide amongst men!!! If you abandon your spouse and leave him to drown in his burdens, afflictions and heartaches in life, you're exactly like Satan.

Please don't follow the way of a wicked woman!

Christian Womanhood

No love ❤ no submission... One can be submitted because he or she want something...

There is no love without submission. The Bible says wife be submissive to your husband as your are to the church and not wife be submissive to your husband if he don't love you . And a guy cannot love a girl he just met he will only like her and with time the 'like' grows to 'love' depending on the characters the girl exhibits on the long run of the the relationship .

You said you don't know which comes first. Is verse 24 not before verse 25....eh. Pointless arguments.

Cutehector:
A woman can't submit herself to someone who doesn't love her.

And a man can't love someone who doesn't submit herself to him.

So if u ask me, i"d say love comes first, before submission.

love comes with a reason... for example; u are liking a lady bcus of her beauty, u now get to know her and find out she's arrogant and disrespectful, will u proceed in loving such a lady?!

Anyways, I think submission comes first inorder to water the seed of love.

I don't really fancy that word called 'submissive'

Sounds somehow to me. Some women like the word(Good for you) but I don't (good for me)

I prefer words like agreeableness, loyalty, dependable team player, flexibility etc etc

It love that should come 1st. That was what jesus did for mankind. Unfortunately, we d mankind are breaking his heart in return just like many wives do to their husbands.

1pet3:1 however says a hardened man can be changed by a wives submission. Here submissions comes 1st

Well, this is my stand, some men have been abused by women(their mothers, aunts snr sisters, fiancees, 1st wife) in their growing stage. Such a man would have issues about taking the 1st step. Women who have been abused by their fathers, brothers, uncles would have difficulties taking the 1st step too. Just having a strict father/mother in either cases is enough to cause psychy issues. So wherever one finds himself/herself, u need a reverse person who wants to care by self-motivation and only God can help one do that.

Love comes first. As a man, every lady I've dated, loved and cared about naturally submitted to me. It's what it is. Submission in marriage shouldn't be given if one's partner doesn't earn it by loving his or her partner. Submission is earned by love. Even the Bible that encourages the ladies to submit to their men, in the same vein told the men to love their women like Jesus loves his church. God knows that without a man loving his wife, the wife submitting to him will be hard to achieve.

love comes with a reason... for example; u are liking a lady bcus of her beauty, u now get to know her and find out she's arrogant and disrespectful, will u proceed in loving such a lady?!

Anyways, I think submission comes first inorder to water the seed of love... if not there won't be a thing called heaven & hell.

doveda:
I don't really fancy that word called 'submissive'

Sounds somehow to me. Some women like the word(Good for you) but I don't (good for me)

I prefer words like agreeableness, loyalty, dependable team player, flexibility etc etc

Gods clear command in his word and your ideas are 2 different things

RadicallyBlunt:

Gods clear command in his word and your ideas are 2 different things

Like I earlier stated... Good for you

I am.not a christian bu the way even if I were. I don't think God used the word ‘submissive' because he last time I checked the Bible was written in another language not English.

Even Christ was submissive to the will of His father that He put his life in the hands of His crucifiers... and what happened afterwards;;;; He conquered the power of death, Became more known than when on earth in flesh and remains exalted that generations and all powers that be past and coming worship and bow to him.

it pays to be submissive.. it pays more the Christ way.

doveda:


Like I earlier stated... Good for you

I am.not a christian bu the way even if I were. I don't think God used the word ‘submissive' because he last time I checked the Bible was written in another language not English.

Submissive is even incomplete, he said "submit in everything" and "submit to him as to the lord". That's because the new testament renewed the curse God placed on them in Genesis. There God said "he shall rule over you, your desire shall be for him". The problem with women nowadays is that they do not count the cost of submission early before marriage so it looks heavy on them.

he first loved us so we love him.the hubby is the head like christ is the head of the church and so just like christ first loved us and gave his life,the hubby ought to show love first and when the woman sees the love as genuine and as a love that will never destroys her,she now has the duty to totally submit.cursed is the woman who first submits to an agbero man.hubby for her destruction is sure.perfect love casteth out fear,imperfect love breeds fear and it is unreasonable to expect a woman who is not sure she is perfectly loved by the man to submit and submit totally.

How would you say Bible did not mention which is 1st? Bible started with submission in verse 22 and later love in verse 25. Most women have no problem with love but submission, while most men love for a reason. Thats why the Bible addressed the woman 1st, then her husbsnd. If we follow this, there will be no problem in the home. Beside man is head, woman must submit to be love.

RadicallyBlunt:

Submissive is even incomplete, he said "submit in everything" and "submit to him as to the lord". That's because the new testament renewed the curse God placed on them in Genesis. There God said "he shall rule over you, your desire shall be for him". The problem with women nowadays is that they do not count the cost of submission early before marriage so it looks heavy on them.

I thought christians no longer quite old testament

RadicallyBlunt:

Submissive is even incomplete, he said "submit in everything" and "submit to him as to the lord". That's because the new testament renewed the curse God placed on them in Genesis. There God said "he shall rule over you, your desire shall be for him". The problem with women nowadays is that they do not count the cost of submission early before marriage so it looks heavy on them.

I am not ready to engage in a long whatever this is going to be

When I am, I will holla

My opinion on dis is dat When u show love to ur wife,she becomes d fool in d home. She allows d man have his way in d home. But on d other way round when d man shows no love but man syndrome, d woman becomes defensive. So for me LOVE comes first.

A man who waits for his wife to submit first before he loves, disobeys God... The same way,
A woman who waits to be loved first before respectin and submitting, disobeys God. That bible passage never said or suggested that husbands should love their wives when they submit and neither did it in anyway suggest that wives should submit when the man has shown love. So in my opinion no one comes first before the other.

If only every husband and wife can just obey Gods command and play their own part unconditionaly all these problems in marriages wont occur. Our problem has and will always be that of disobedience. Christians attach conditions before they obey Gods commands thats the problem we have these days not only in marriage but even in other areas of our lives. "I wont until..." "I will only if...." I dont see any marriage or any relationship for dat matter where there is full and unconditional obedience to Gods command having issues.

I wonder what would have become of our lives had it been God waits for us to first obey, love and respect him before blessing, favouring or protecting us.

I believe that God just wants everyone to play his and her own part.. simple.

yemstok:
A man says

"I don't love my wife because she is not. submissive perhaps, if she were submissive i would have loved her"

A woman says

"I am not submissive to my husband because he doesn't love me, if he had shown love to me, I would have been submissive"

The bible made mention of these things but didn't tell which should come first.

Ephesians 5:22

"Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord.23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church,his body, of which he is the Savior"



Ephesians 5:25

"Husbands, love your wives,just as Christ lovedthe church and gave himself up for her"






Now, my question is, Which should come first? "Love" or "Submission"

U cant separate the two, "u can't love and not be submissive to ur patner, and u cant be submissive to ur patner and not be loved, save ur patner never loved u from the onset".

As a man, love should come 1st cos a mans love is what sustains a marriage... We hv women that love their men to death but their men dont just love them bk even after all submissions.

A woman should look for a man that loves her the most ... Cos a woman's love only cant keep a marriage but a mans love alone can...

Am a christian but seems like Muslims understands Gods words more than christians when it comes to marriage and that's y u hardly see a muslim divorcee, unless if its all these modern Kim kardasian type of muslims

BumBae:
First of all u op need to know what submission means

Has NOTHING to do with love ... Two different things
I.e hubby: dear can u get me water from fridge
Wife: no im busy

So that means no love cuz she didnt submitt to his demands .. And ur saying because of this no more love ..
The truth submission comes after marriage .. Alot dont even know their spouse properly till after marriage ..
And everyone knows the courting process is wher we ladies show yanga the most who the hell is submitting to what?? Sleeping th the guy? U aint making sense

That's why most men wait till after marriage before they started showing most ladies their true colour...

Thinking out loud...why do ladies make yanga during courtship

.... I bet 25% of today's ladies are submissive to their spouse...the remaining believe they have much says than the man...if u submit to each other the love stays strong and healthy ......ladies without submission you can't have a Good home..Gbam!..

For me submission after which love comes on its own naturally

honeric01:


Na.. You don't choose who you love, you just find yourself loving the person. Its a feeling you can't control. Whatever you can't control is not a decision.

Submission is a decision.

Statement that you choose who you love to me is false.. Maybe you can choose who to like but to choose who to love? Can you even define love self?

You choose to love ur spouse no matter what. You think you'll always feel the love in marriage? You won't. Love as a feeling cannot last. It has to be a choice

HIV1:


A man who truly loves his wife will never beat her. If you love an object not even a human being you will not want it to be damaged. Let use an example you expensive phone you really like, you will not want anybody to damage it , ...... True love comes with other human qualities like affection, caring ... The fault of most women is that they put materials things over good morals and the fault of most men is that they place beauty over submissiveness, good morality ......... and other requirements that make marriage work.

So we can rightly say that most men don love their wives?