Every Pastor Who Collects Tithes Is A Thief – Pastor Femi Aribisala - Christianity Etc (2)

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Re: Every Pastor Who Collects Tithes Is A Thief – Pastor Femi Aribisala by bolaji3071(m): 4:45pm On Jan 22, 2016

This is the kind of thread that all those Nairaland atheist and unbelievers would love to see. And avenue to mock the great servants of God and ridicule Christianity. But God pass una... Though am not a good thither but i don't see anything wrong about tithe collection.

May God open and grant you all (unbelievers and atheist) the knowledge to understand the scriptures.

It is well.

Re: Every Pastor Who Collects Tithes Is A Thief – Pastor Femi Aribisala by Austin234(m): 5:52pm On Jan 22, 2016

Mind u Jesus did. Read Matt 23: 23. Tithing is very much biblical just dat it is being abused in our today's contemperary world

teekay213:
have never and i will never pay tithle since i have known jesus never mentioned it in the new testament.

Re: Every Pastor Who Collects Tithes Is A Thief – Pastor Femi Aribisala by teekay213(m): 6:04pm On Jan 22, 2016

Austin234:
Mind u Jesus did. Read Matt 23: 23. Tithing is very much biblical just dat it is being abused in our today's contemperary world

ok thanks,i get it.what if the pastor is a working class?

Re: Every Pastor Who Collects Tithes Is A Thief – Pastor Femi Aribisala by kepstone: 6:54pm On Jan 22, 2016*

Well.... This could be an eye opener, true it is, the Jew by the law are to pay tithe and truthfully today Jews don't pay tithe at all. Tithing is for the Jews and that was d law. Today we leave in the new covenant ratified by the blood of the lamb Jesus. The new law abolish d old law. As a pastor I pay my tithe with understanding of the new testament and that is in appreciation to the finished work of Christ on the cross, I tithe because he has enabled me to be able to make money keeping me safe and alive. I tithe because I honor him as my source not because of Amy one who will quote Malachi 3 for me. On our church we don't pay tithe as in the days of the law we pay tithe with the new testament understanding and that been said not necessarily must it be 10% when we collect tithe in our church we ask people to pick something to give to GOD as honor for enabling you to make money or profit in ur business.
One of the bad experience of paying of tithe I ever experienced was while I was still much younger before I became a Pastor, I made some money and removed the 10% to give to my pastor then, I wrapped my tithe in an envelope took it to his house because I don't want to eat my tithe. So I met my pastor at home gave him the tithe and he prayed just a few seconds prayer and the next I saw was he called his maid opened the envelope and remove some money from the envelope asked her to buy him coke in my presence. That alone almost made me not continue tithing because of what I saw, atleast he would have waited for me to go out from his house before doing so. That's why I made up my mind never to manipulate anyone in God's service and to work for my money. Truth be told we have people harmerimg this tithe is of a thing as if tyere oives depends on it But many don't understand why they should tithe in the new testament we have many Pastors threatening members if u don't pay ur tithe bad luck will follow you... No no its wrong. Dont get it twisted i believe in tithing it has worked for me, opened channels of blessing and preservation for me and likewise others .Jesus Never received tithe, neither did the apostle and Paul himself. Let's becareful to teach the truth wholy. Ministry is not business enterprise as we see today... Every man will give account of his life, so therefore let us run to obtain the price. If you are tither I urge you continue if you are not I urge you to believe in it with the new testament understanding not as a weapon on religious manipulation. But in honour to the grace that has brought you into the kingdom. A portion of all we make monthly not necessarily that 10% but something to honour him if you are comfortable nwith the 10% good. If u want to pay more good if not according to ur ability. In the new testament we don't owe GOD at all. The price has been paid. There is no amount of earthly resource we can amass that will run the economy of the kingdom. Neither do we have d ability to rob GOD. How can he who owns all things says we have robbed him the word rob is not d same literal meaning of defraud but the word used here is u have deprived me of my honour, as in the respect and honour you should give to me in providing for you... And u know what d bible says he that honour me I will honour, he that despise me I will likely esteem.
Grace is a mystery.... And the blood gave us access to this Grace were we all stand.
God bless us all

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Re: Every Pastor Who Collects Tithes Is A Thief – Pastor Femi Aribisala by proffytee(m): 9:07pm On Jan 22, 2016

jhuzcoyle:
TITHE IS BIBLICA. Don't pay your tithe and u will live in penury

idiot

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Re: Every Pastor Who Collects Tithes Is A Thief – Pastor Femi Aribisala by Austin234(m): 9:16pm On Jan 22, 2016

A working class pastor shud equally pay his tithe. Tithing is very much biblical. Though, there are many perverts. They abuse the purpose

teekay213:
ok thanks,i get it.what if the pastor is a working class?

Re: Every Pastor Who Collects Tithes Is A Thief – Pastor Femi Aribisala by Kirigidi(m): 10:43pm On Jan 22, 2016

jhuzcoyle:
TITHE IS BIBLICA. Don't pay your tithe and u will live in penury

Wake up frm ur ignorance! How many tithes hav Dangote nd other rich Alhajis today paid bfor they ar gettin
wealthier evryday? Take statistics of d richest men (material/worldly wealths) in d world today nd tell us how many ar Christians! Do u knw dat many of d wealthiest persons (in terms of money) ar Arabs, Indians nd Chinese? Let no one deciev u, d kingdom of God is not all about worldly riches! God gives riches to who ever He wants. Howeva, when u Ask for good things includin monetary riches frm God in faith as a Christian, u shall reciev them! Note: I'm not against those paying tithes because any form of giving always attracts/brings blessings to d giver. May God forgive us evry sins we commitd nd bless us abundantly in Jesus's Name. Amen.

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Re: Every Pastor Who Collects Tithes Is A Thief – Pastor Femi Aribisala by jaytee01(m): 6:22am On Jan 23, 2016

7lives:
I heard this message from Andrew Farley's church without religion, now again from Aribisala what is going on.
COULD TITHE BE THE REASON EVERYBODY IS NOW A PASTOR?.

Re: Every Pastor Who Collects Tithes Is A Thief – Pastor Femi Aribisala by joyandfaith: 7:16am On Jan 23, 2016

jhuzcoyle:
TITHE IS BIBLICA. Don't pay your tithe and u will live in penury

japanese and chinese do not pay tithes but live in luxury.

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Re: Every Pastor Who Collects Tithes Is A Thief – Pastor Femi Aribisala by Topgainer: 9:12am On Jan 23, 2016*

There are no laws to giving as far as Christianity is concerned. All givings under the new covenant are termed offerings, given with cheerful heart and praise to God. There were no mention of any fixed charges by the Apostles, some gave nothing, some gave all depending on the needs of the Church(Individuals) who shared all things in common such that you don't come in among them and begin to notice the rich ones separated from the poor

There was nothing like seeds with the mindset of bribing God as is being taught these days. There were no compulsion, Ananias and Sapphira could as well not give at all and nobody will query them.

You are at liberty to decide what to give at any moment and to whom. Every honest offering/ giving whether 1% 5%10%15%20%100% has a clause of blessing attached to it not because a Bishop said so but because Jesus taught that.
Also there is no law that says the person who gave 100% will be more blessed than the person who gave 5% at the Church, God watches the heart and knows all the circumstances surrounding the giving, including giving outside the church buildings

And so don't be deceived and manipulated by man made gods

There is no need calling anybody a thief, with time some of these Pastors who are honest, with diligent study of the bible will see that 10% was not an 11th commandment neither from Jesus nor the Apostles to the Christians

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Re: Every Pastor Who Collects Tithes Is A Thief – Pastor Femi Aribisala by BeClever: 6:00am On Jan 24, 2016

bolaji3071:
This is the kind of thread that all those Nairaland atheist and unbelievers would love to see. And avenue to mock the great servants of God and ridicule Christianity. But God pass una... Though am not a good thither but i don't see anything wrong about tithe collection.

May God open and grant you all (unbelievers and atheist) the knowledge to understand the scriptures.

It is well.

This is the kind of blindness that I hate when someone mention what's not as they were..

If have something to say, then say it and stop spread ur ignorance like a v*ral disea**.

Re: Every Pastor Who Collects Tithes Is A Thief – Pastor Femi Aribisala by BeClever: 6:05am On Jan 24, 2016

Austin234:
Mind u Jesus did. Read Matt 23: 23. Tithing is very much biblical just dat it is being abused in our today's contemperary world

If you carefully read what was written and understood it very well.. U will see when he explained who should collect tithes, what should be paid as tithes and when it's allowed to be paid..

Those scenarios are not related to Nigeria in any way brother.

Re: Every Pastor Who Collects Tithes Is A Thief – Pastor Femi Aribisala by BeClever: 6:22am On Jan 24, 2016

kepstone:
Well.... This could be an eye opener, true it is, the Jew by the law are to pay tithe and truthfully today Jews don't pay tithe at all. Tithing is for the Jews and that was d law. Today we leave in the new covenant ratified by the blood of the lamb Jesus. The new law abolish d old law. As a pastor I pay my tithe with understanding of the new testament and that is in appreciation to the finished work of Christ on the cross, I tithe because he has enabled me to be able to make money keeping me safe and alive. I tithe because I honor him as my source not because of Amy one who will quote Malachi 3 for me. On our church we don't pay tithe as in the days of the law we pay tithe with the new testament understanding and that been said not necessarily must it be 10% when we collect tithe in our church we ask people to pick something to give to GOD as honor for enabling you to make money or profit in ur business.
One of the bad experience of paying of tithe I ever experienced was while I was still much younger before I became a Pastor, I made some money and removed the 10% to give to my pastor then, I wrapped my tithe in an envelope took it to his house because I don't want to eat my tithe. So I met my pastor at home gave him the tithe and he prayed just a few seconds prayer and the next I saw was he called his maid opened the envelope and remove some money from the envelope asked her to buy him coke in my presence. That alone almost made me not continue tithing because of what I saw, atleast he would have waited for me to go out from his house before doing so. That's why I made up my mind never to manipulate anyone in God's service and to work for my money. Truth be told we have people harmerimg this tithe is of a thing as if tyere oives depends on it But many don't understand why they should tithe in the new testament we have many Pastors threatening members if u don't pay ur tithe bad luck will follow you... No no its wrong. Dont get it twisted i believe in tithing it has worked for me, opened channels of blessing and preservation for me and likewise others .Jesus Never received tithe, neither did the apostle and Paul himself. Let's becareful to teach the truth wholy. Ministry is not business enterprise as we see today... Every man will give account of his life, so therefore let us run to obtain the price. If you are tither I urge you continue if you are not I urge you to believe in it with the new testament understanding not as a weapon on religious manipulation. But in honour to the grace that has brought you into the kingdom. A portion of all we make monthly not necessarily that 10% but something to honour him if you are comfortable nwith the 10% good. If u want to pay more good if not according to ur ability. In the new testament we don't owe GOD at all. The price has been paid. There is no amount of earthly resource we can amass that will run the economy of the kingdom. Neither do we have d ability to rob GOD. How can he who owns all things says we have robbed him the word rob is not d same literal meaning of defraud but the word used here is u have deprived me of my honour, as in the respect and honour you should give to me in providing for you... And u know what d bible says he that honour me I will honour, he that despise me I will likely esteem.
Grace is a mystery.... And the blood gave us access to this Grace were we all stand.
God bless us all

You sound very reasonably and sincerely.

I must commend you for this.

But I must say that it would have been better to completely discontinue the use of that name tithe for the purpose u claim.

That us exactly as it applies in the Catholic and Anglican churches they don't teach tithing to their members..

All you just listed up there duo sincerely, but that is exactly the problem we have in Nigeria today.. People who twist Bible versions to suit the desire.

Forget sentiment and tell people what's obtainable and allow them to decide from what was learnt. Not implanting your own angle to what was written because you have access to poolpit.

NB: tithing is not allowed in any guise.

God can't be deceived, no matter how we see this..

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Re: Every Pastor Who Collects Tithes Is A Thief – Pastor Femi Aribisala by BeClever: 6:27am On Jan 24, 2016

proffytee:
idiot

The guy has been completely Brian ~~washed~~ blanked.

Catholics and Anglicans are among the reachest Christians in Nigeria.
Muslems are penury abi..
All this Juju people everywhere too.

Pastor are using him to do ping-pong.

Re: Every Pastor Who Collects Tithes Is A Thief – Pastor Femi Aribisala by Austin234(m): 9:17pm On Jan 24, 2016

This kind of heresy is capable of brain shift of many sound christians. In as much as there are abuse of Nigeria and the world at large, we shud not put aside dat this is a bible injunction. If a pastor abuse tithing, he has a case to answer b4 God. Just do God ask u to do.

At this juncture, let me remind us dat we shud not neglect d weightier matters of d law, which are good judgement, mercy and faith as we pay our tithes (Matt. 23: 23).

BeClever:
If you carefully read what was written and understood it very well.. U will see when he explained who should collect tithes, what should be paid as tithes and when it's allowed to be paid..

Those scenarios are not related to Nigeria in any way brother.

Re: Every Pastor Who Collects Tithes Is A Thief – Pastor Femi Aribisala by OmoOsanyin: 9:58pm On Jan 24, 2016

mirabel001:
ok...so who suppose 2 collect d tithe?

NOBODY!

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Re: Every Pastor Who Collects Tithes Is A Thief – Pastor Femi Aribisala by BeClever: 10:16pm On Jan 24, 2016

Austin234:
This kind of heresy is capable of brain shift of many sound christians. In as much as there are abuse of Nigeria and the world at large, we shud not put aside dat this is a bible injunction. If a pastor abuse tithing, he has a case to answer b4 God. Just do God ask u to do.

At this juncture, let me remind us dat we shud not neglect d weightier matters of d law, which are good judgement, mercy and faith as we pay our tithes (Matt. 23: 23).

"Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for keeping part instead of the whole law. (Matthew 23:23). That is what tithe-collecting pastors do today. If we insist our congregants must pay tithes, we must also insist that they keep the rest of the law. James says: “Whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.” (James 2:10). Therefore, if we insist on tithing, we should also refrain from eating pork. We should stone adulterers, execute homosexuals, kill Sabbath violators and restore blood-sacrifices.""

I guess you also keep to these laws as well..and many more as instructed in the Old Testament.

Re: Every Pastor Who Collects Tithes Is A Thief – Pastor Femi Aribisala by mirabel001(f): 11:14pm On Jan 24, 2016

OmoOsanyin:
NOBODY!

Mal 3:10 said we should pay our tithe

Re: Every Pastor Who Collects Tithes Is A Thief – Pastor Femi Aribisala by Austin234(m): 10:01am On Jan 25, 2016

I think u have poor definition of weightier matter. Good judgement, mercy and faith can never mean stoning d adulterer, killing d homosexual, refraining frm eating pork meat etc. Read ur bible wella

BeClever:
"Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for keeping part instead of the whole law. (Matthew 23:23). That is what tithe-collecting pastors do today. If we insist our congregants must pay tithes, we must also insist that they keep the rest of the law. James says: “Whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.” (James 2:10). Therefore, if we insist on tithing, we should also refrain from eating pork. We should stone adulterers, execute homosexuals, kill Sabbath violators and restore blood-sacrifices.""

I guess you also keep to these laws as well..and many more as instructed in the Old Testament.

Re: Every Pastor Who Collects Tithes Is A Thief – Pastor Femi Aribisala by BeClever: 12:58pm On Jan 25, 2016

Austin234:
I think u have poor definition of weightier matter. Good judgement, mercy and faith can never mean stoning d adulterer, killing d homosexual, refraining frm eating pork meat etc. Read ur bible wella

OK, I will check again.. A little complicating duo.

Re: Every Pastor Who Collects Tithes Is A Thief – Pastor Femi Aribisala by OmoOsanyin: 1:27pm On Jan 25, 2016

mirabel001:
Mal 3:10 said we should pay our tithe

Yes, but it falls under the old law (old testament). Since christiandom today is all about Jesus and the new law (new testament), then it is unlawful to pay tithe. Besides tithing was appropriated to the levite priests only and no other priests even then. Are your pastors today levites? Moreso, when tithes was brought to the storehouse, the instruction as written was mainly for food, farm products etc, which is taken to the storehouse and eaten there with your family, the poor etc. Not for 10% of your hard or easy earned cash today be given to any pastor. Why discard the old law but conveniently and cunniingly hold on to the tithing part. Any pastor today that collects cash payment or any form of payment in the name of tithes acts against the old and new law. He or she is therefore a fraud. Now ppl are quick to retort that how will the church be managed if ppl dont pay? Verily i say unto you, if a pastor is truly called by God, He will provide a way for church management and not for any pastor to extort money from its congregation in tithe's name. In the feeding of the crowd at the mount, did Jesus or his disciples collect a dime? Most of today's churches highly notorious for noise pollution etc dont even offer snacks or satchet water to the congregation kept there for hours, children inclusive...yeah the pastors do care...about you.

Besides, why is it that its only the christian God that requires money especially on sunday supposedly? money He is supposed to have created. Based on the scriptures, i can imagine God laughing at the way of your pastors today and the foolery of the congregation. I assure you the tithe you pay today goes not to God (who for all intent and purpose) has no need or use for it. Blindly and sadly you enrich the pastor's pocket. I guess you are giving to ceaser (pastor) what is ceaser's, your prerogative but confuse it not with giving it to God, as i said He has no use for it.

Further, if monies foolishly given to pastors are used for community development by the givers, the call on government for this and that will reduce substantially. Who in their right senses gives for the building of a residential mansion or a church edifice situated in a community of poor and improvished people as opposed to their own communal development, enhancement, progress, including investing such monies for job provisions. Has a pastor ever requested for donations towards building of factories etc for a community? If any, very very few. Same community they demand and selfishly, wickedly collect money from. Glad though to observe awareness of non tithe paying by folks today including notable local and foreign pastors with conscience. I am also certain that as this factual awareness of non payment of tithe grows and spreads, churches will start closing shop. They are basically open for your money. AWAKE! Its a new day.

But hey, keep paying tithes if you wanna. Its your money. No fuss. To each his own.

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