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urahara:
Pls where are his "seed"

johnydon22:
There is no way you can put this for it to work for you.. You have already jumped from "Change from Old law to new and adopt the new was the original plan that has to wait a bit for the old law to play for a while"

ayoku777:
You just don't get it, do you?

I am showing you how that God substituting the old covenant for the new; and moving from the law to the new commandment, was always the plan.

It was never an after-thought or a change of mind, as you're trying so hard to say. Because the death and resurrection of Christ was fore-ordained ever before the dispensation of the law was even added.

So how can the new covenant be a "change of mind" for God, when that was always His mind?

Stop trying to make this an issue of semantics. God doesn't change. He changes systems and dispensations according to His redemption plan.

How large the font you use for "change" doesn't change the fact that the new covenant was never a change of mind for God.

ayoku777:
Isaiah 53v10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand

The seed are the new creation in Christ Jesus. Those born again through faith in Christ.

Gal 3v29 - And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Romans 9v8 -That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

So believers in Christ Jesus, those born of the Spirit; they are the seed.

ayoku777:
Let me put it to you this way;

Its like a Professor of mathematics, teaching his son arithmetics. From, 1-2-3, to addition and subtraction, to multiplication and division, then to area and perimeter of different shapes, then angles of elevation and depression, and theorems to calculus and differentiation etc.

The Professor dad is not changing or growing in knowledge, but he is taking his child on a journey of knowledge that invlove changes and growth to help him become like him.

God doesn't change, but He changes things and people from glory to glory into His image.

2Cor 3v18 - But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

The law of God is a progressive revelation of Himself to us, of which Jesus Christ, is the consummation of that revelation.

So God moving us from the law to the Spirit, from works to grace, from ten commandments to love commandment, and from old covenant to new covenant does not mean God is changing. It only means He is taking us through changes from glory to glory in the revelation of Himself to make us like Him.

Do you get it now. I've simplified it as best as I can.

God bless.

I think I get it now, God has a hard time making certain decisions so that is why he constantly has to modify his laws. he tells us not to kill but sometimes allow killing, he hates maltreatment of slaves but he is okay when the Jew's maltreat and own slaves. I guess God has done a bad job teaching us certain things we could do have ordinarily known as human beings. still souds like an ever changing God to me. Or how else can u explain the change from Jehova violent nature to Jesus meek nature since they are both God .

ayoku777:
You just don't get it, do you?

I am showing you how that God substitukting the old covenant for the new; and moving from the law to the new commandment, was always the plan.

It was never an after-thought or a change of mind, as you're trying so hard to say. Because the death and resurrection of Christ was fore-ordained ever before the dispensation of the law was even added.

So how can the new covenant be a "change of mind" for God, when that was always His mind?

Stop trying to make this an issue of semantics. God doesn't change. He changes systems and dispensations according to His redemption plan.

How large the font you use for "change" doesn't change the fact that the new covenant was never a change of mind for God.

ValentineMary:
Since it spread throughout Europe

urahara:
Your religion promises apostasy with hell. It's not any better and Pls stop being a hypocrite

hockeyoilers:
Luke tells us in 10:20 Jesus pbuh tells the man you know the commandments. If they were important enough for Jesus pbuh to mention.....



Luke 10:

18. A certain ruler asked him, "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
19. "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.
20. You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.' "
21. "All these I have kept since I was a boy," he said.
22. When Jesus heard this, he said to him, "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."


So it says keep the commandments, which included killing apostates and those who try to convert you, what did Jesus say? Keep the commandments, ALL OF THEM. Which includes this law of apostasy

Papist:
Very shallow reasoning. No wonder Europe is going back to the Dark Ages since they decided that Christianity is no better than Islam i.e cultural marxism. Pray tell Mr intelligent atheist, when was the last time a Christian was killed for apostacy?

Papist:
Please stop comparing Islam with Christianity already. Want to taste some Islam? Go to Saudi Arabia where women get stoned for being raped and failing to produce four male witnesses, where people are crucified for telling the truth about Mohamed, where gays are thrown off high cliffs, where young girls are left by police to burn in their dormitories because they couldn't get the time to wear their hijabs while trying to escape the fire etc. That is the face of Islam. Hmmm I wonder if the same happens in the Christian world? No it does not.

ValentineMary:
A rapist, if caught in the
act with a virgin is supposed to marry his victim
and pay her father some money (Deuteronomy
22:28-29). If the woman is betrothed, and raped
in a field, then the man dies, but if the rape is
in a town and the woman did not sufficiently cry
out, they both die by stoning for the crime of
adultery (Deuteronomy 22:22-26). Now see who is pointing fingers at d muslims.

Papist:
You know I dont care about how many Bible verses you quote to try and show how barbaric Christianity is. Honestly you would be wasting your time there because I won't even try to explain the verses. Listen friend read this: lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi. As an atheist I would think you value empirical evidence i.e observations and not what is written in a book. Having observed Christian behaviour have you seen any sanctification of rape? I think not. When I referenced Saudi Arabia I didn't even mention the Koran, I simply mentioned what is happening there now, in the name of Sharia and Islam.

Papist:
You know I dont care about how many Bible verses you quote to try and show how barbaric Christianity is. Honestly you would be wasting your time there because I won't even try to explain the verses. Listen friend read this: lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi. As an atheist I would think you value empirical evidence i.e observations and not what is written in a book. Having observed Christian behaviour have you seen any sanctification of rape? I think not. When I referenced Saudi Arabia I didn't even mention the Koran, I simply mentioned what is happening there now, in the name of Sharia and Islam.

dorox:
Is it not weird that everything done by muslims today in the name of Allah is somehow the fault of christians? Here we are talking about christianity in a thread that was created to talk about the real dangers faced by ex-muslims who are ostracised,lashed and sometimes killed for apostatizing against islam. As is so often the case, many liberals fail to stand up for these vulnerable people within the muslim communities, they would rather talk about the Old Testament than give their voice to ex-muslims facing persecution. They would rather mock christians for a barbarity done in the name of sharia than to call for muslims to reform their barbarity.
At the end of the day, it is the ex-muslim atheist that will continue to suffer the most from this obfuscation of the issue at stake. I encourage you all to stick to the issue at hand and not be distracted by those who would rather we don't talk about it. You can always make a seperate thread to raise any issues you might have with christianity.