brabus:


Tales by the moonlight by Spyder880. Those time, your brain go dey work pass calculator.

It'll all come out well!

@ Olusuposaheed, some suppliers may approach you on that first day with too-good-to-be true offers. Check it well well! It's a Greek gift.

Perhaps it was my age, my first 6 flats was started when I was 24, seems like yesterday

spyder880:


Perhaps it was my age, my first 6 flats was started when I was 24, seems like yesterday

Oga Spyder

More grease to your elbow...

spyder880:


Perhaps it was my age, my first 6 flats was started when I was 24, seems like yesterday

I've always wanted to ask you this question.

You've planted many edifices across Nigeria.

Is there one house that holds a special place in your heart? And why?

Please can you explain what you mean by this?

Thanks

seglad2:
I thing, pple must eat u. starting from ur broda, Bricklayers to ur engr etc. Normal thing

Hope u can see the fight btw Brabus and Mavverick. That tell the broblem Owner's face with Builder/Engrs. Just Monitor your things Or deal with suplier directly...Making it knw to de u need Original things. Cos some pple alwys go for cheap materials. Like Guy aboveme

befto:
Please can you explain what you mean by this?

Thanks

EgunMogaji:


I've always wanted to ask you this question.

You've planted many edifices across Nigeria.

Is there one house that holds a special place in your heart? And why?

Whenever I visit Lagos, I find time to walk through broad street, riding elevators and staring into the lagoon, looking across Marina, watching the peculiarities about all the buildings around. I find the whole place lovely and inspiring.

But the one house that will always draw a smile out of me is the "Port Harcourt mansion" The client was very specific in his desire and mission, and helped us in every possible way to bring out the best in my average team. Tasking but sweet.
https://www.nairaland.com/1335928/making-port-harcourt-mansion

amanikondo:

I have seen welded one before. When I say welded, the bolts were welded not just screwed with one way bolt. Thank you.

I picked mine up. I will need to go back to get the bolts though.

Shyte is heavy

seglad2:
Hope u can see the fight btw Brabus and Mavverick. That tell the broblem Owner's face with Builder/Engrs. Just Monitor your things Or deal with suplier directly...Making it knw to de u need Original things. Cos some pple alwys go for cheap materials. Like Guy aboveme

You totally lost me bro. One min you say that everyone must chop you next min you say buy your own materials. My Oga please which approach do you advice clients to take?

Issokay, time for me to offer my own personal apology to "House members" who are offended by the turn of the thread. I apologize.

As a 'recap', let me reiterate that there were two issues:

One, has to do with Egunmogaji and what l termed the way he puts people down and denigrates them in his responses.
You all know it as we have all read it. Some like me tried to brush it off initially..... until one particular statement about "You will always be beneath me" he made to somebody.....and later to me.
At this point, l take no personal offence about it anymore and the matter is "past".
I hold no malice against him.... (Apology served) and l hope he does not hold one against me.
Issue is come and gone, we are brothers. Like said, we agree to disagree, no one is perfect.
I encourage every other person to see it that way and let us forgive ourselves over that. The Matter is closed.

The other matter, between Brabus and Maverick, is a little complicated..... and getting even more complicated.[/b]
But l am happy it has been narrowed down to a particular, most important issue: BUILDING APPROVAL.
I have read post and counter-post from each person and in the midst of all the emotions, l can hold on to the below:

1.) Maverrick paid for the approval.......Brabus did not deny this
2.) Maverick believes that the approval is not genuine ........... Brabus said it is
3.) Maverick say let me have my receipt in respect of that payment for the approval ...... Brabus says "come let me take you to their office for "confirmation of genuineness"!
4.) In addition to the above, Maverick says he has gone to confirm from State authorities, and they said his Approval can not be found, it is NOT GENUINE.

Now, We all want PEACE to reign. We dont want this issue festering more and more...... so what should happen?
*Maverick is not ready to let the matter "die naturally" (l dont blame him for that);
**Brabus has flatly denied that it is not genuine and he is not fault in the matter.

So, how do we get the PEACE we all desire? Even my Oga Spyder has sued for Peace!

But l have heard where it is sad that "Everyone is crying out for PEACE..... No one is asking for JUSTICE, and EQUAL RIGHTS". - Mob Marley.
There cannot be PEACE, without JUSTICE.
Thus, let us seek Justice first... then Peace should and will follow naturally.

So, what is JUSTICE here?
From my own perspective (please correct me as l am not infallible):

1.) Brabus should provide his client, with the RECEIPTS of payment, issued by the State Building Agency in charge of Approvals as final proof of genuineness.
That is the first step, if Brabus insists that the Approval is genuine.

If there are "reasons" why he cannot provide such receipts, as long as such is tenable, he should say it.
That is one way, if not the only way to prove it is genuine. It should never be by "word of mouth".
If l make payment to someone, especially a Govt Agency, l deserve to get a receipt for it.. especially on building matters.

2.) if Brabus thinks there are other ways to convince the Client of the genuineness of the Approval he got for his client (aside that "come to their office for discussions", he should state it. The "office discussions" is unnecessary, once a receipt has been provided.

3.) If on the other hand, the Approval is FAKE, Brabus should own up to his Client (it can be in private sef), apologize and make refunds.
The money is less than #500 and l think if it is not genuine then, refunding the payment is "JUST". That is JUSTICE, by my own definition.

It is now up to the Client to show a "large heart" afterwards.

But l am sure if any of the steps above is taken, Brabus and Maverick will soon be friends sooner than expected.

But l have noticed that no one in the house has made any effort to broach this subject this way, because maybe they dont want to offend Brabus? I mean, what is difficult in giving your Client his receipt.... instead of saying " Silence is the best answer"?

Brabus may at this point consider me as someone who does not like him but l want to let him know that as a person, l do ... but on this particular issue, "l disagree with his position".... and it is nothing personal.
I just want us to have "lasting peace", and not some "hush-hush peace" that we have been having which always result in a flare-up, after some time.

We wont ever have any sort of "real peace".... except there is justice, one that satisfy both parties.
Justice ALWAYS satisfy both parties, as long as they make a decision to be honest.

If the Document is not genuine, it does not make Brabus a bad person. Even the owner Maverick may be swindled unknowingly and that can happen to Brabus as well but we must he humble and honest enough to put our hands up and say "I am wrong", whenever we are wrong.

If anyone has a "non-adversarial" solution to the matter (a solution that does not involve tackling each other either in court, in public or with the Police), they should also suggest it here, without any fear or favour.
Its only if we have done the right thing (Justice) and tried our best, that we can claim to want 'real peace' between the two of them.

In this digital age, reputation is very important and what we say today, may hurt us in the future because it is always there for reference!
Also, l dont like "other family members" to be involved in this kind of fracas, so l want both parties to relax a bit, think about my offer and respond positively.

Let us forget our ego and past abuses to each other, let us be meek so we can have a way forward please.
Dont forget, we all make mistakes but we must be humble enough to accept our mistake...and make amends.

Brabus especially, you are the contractor, with the most at stake here so l will urge you to make the first move.
Is it genuine?,..... if YES, can you let him have his receipts? If not, why not?

Once again, l apologize to everyone l may have offended along the line

@Excuzeme, that was a very brilliant one!

I'll be good to discuss this if the house permits me to do so to avoid derailing a peaceful thread.

spyder880:


Whenever I visit Lagos, I find time to walk through broad street, riding elevators and staring into the lagoon, looking across Marina, watching the peculiarities about all the buildings around. I find the whole place lovely and inspiring.

But the one house that will always draw a smile out of me is the "Port Harcourt mansion" The client was very specific in his desire and mission, and helped us in every possible way to bring out the best in my average team. Tasking but sweet.
https://www.nairaland.com/1335928/making-port-harcourt-mansion

Thanks.

I think I missed that thread so I will open a bottle of palm wine and read up.

brabus:
@ johnson232, Oga spyder880,

We just made a resolve this afternoon only for my wife to receive 5 different calls from an unknown number and when she picked it was all gibberish. For how long shall we continue to act like overgrown babies?

Anyway, the party is on and I'm having fun with the family. Remember, its a 3-in-1 celebration. (My Wedding Anniversary, My Birthday and NextHome's 5th Anniversary tomorrow). It's a week of celebrations!

Thank you all for your love and care all the time.

_____________
Oga EgunMogaji,

I'm still working on the old barn doors o. Lucky me, the kids threw away some of the skating gears today and I've packed them up to convert into use for the DIY project. My budget is pegged at N25k for the door. This is type of door is normally sold between $300 - $500 or more.

Materials on ground already:

1. Track
2. Guide Roller
3. Door (made from packing case)
4. Stopper
5. Tires (from salvaged skate board)

Excellent, it should be cheap to get this done. It only gets complicated when you want to use barn doors on the exterior.

@ excuseme, very detailed points, this might be the solution we seek.

Olasuposaheed:
Fear; fear; fear; go out of my mind; I want to start work on my site on Monday. Have you experienced such before. pls share let me learn from you

Use your fear in a positive way.

PLAN!!...PLAN!1...PLAN!!!

Write things, everything you can imagine you will need in the different stages of the building.

Break it up into stages, allocate funds to each stage and see where you current Capital can take you to.

Dont be too ambitious in your first project, if your source of funds is "limited". Yo can always build a better Mansion, when more money arrives.... and it will arrive, l promise you.

Figure-out where you will get your materials and if its a not too complicated project, dont use a Nairaland Engineers/Builder! (cost savings, not as per reputation)
If you are intelligent and hardworking supervise your project yourself (or pay someone a fixed amount with written agreements over responsibility, to supervise for you, while you learn from them, for future use).

If you need help, ask here. A lot of free goodies here (when we are not throwing stones at each other! )

Ask yourself: What am l really afraid of?
That l wont have enough money to finish it? (scale down if need be)
That you can do it? (if you have 40% of your budget, you are good to start)
Give yourself enough time to do it well and finish it. One year, two years? ..... depending on your income and its source.

State your kind of Build and let people here help you with some rough estimates of total cost.

Have no fear! FEAR is just an "alarm bell" ringing in your head telling you to be "diligent and pay attention to details". Thats all.
Pay attention!Use the FEAR properly, its a good thing to be afraid!

If l have an exam to write "soon" and l am afraid l may fail, l just study more......... and l pass!

erico2k2:

are we talking of in Nigeria or in the EU?

In Nigeria and America. Like I mentioned, you can bolt it down if you like. I have a (TV Camera man) guy that built a safe for his camera just like a cage. He used the lock on a steel cage and welded it on the cage with the connectors or bolts.

Uberness:

Hi , this idea is inspirational , installing superior locks to made in nigeria doors , can i say that "this is a marriage made in heaven".
@ EgunMogaji and amanikondo i'm interested. will love to talk more about this.
Thanks!

This is the cheapie lockset that I picked up and will give to my door maker to use as template. There's one more piece that I need.

EgunMogaji:


This is the cheapie lockset that I picked up and will give to my door maker to use as template. There's one more piece that I need.

Nice. Let us know how it goes. I will prefer to go your route. I will take some with me too when go to Naija.

brabus:
@Excuzeme, that was a very brilliant one!

I'll be good to discuss this if the house permits me to do so to avoid derailing a peaceful thread.

I think, like me, the house wants real Peace! So, l think they will "kindly allow it".

I just want you (and l am insisting on YOU) to be the man....... take the gauntlet, tell yourself "I will resolve this matter with maverick TODAY.... whatever it takes"!
Think about it, what if you invested #500K and it went down the drain, will you die?
I lost Millions in 2007/08/09 when my Stock Advisor told me to invest millions in buying banks and Insurance Company stocks.
Today, they are not worth one-hundreth of what l paid for them. In short, if l think about it, l should have a heart attack!
Millions of naira, l am talking about no less that #30 million, not worth up to #2Million today! I never even bother to check the price anymore.

So, thi sis not the end of life. resolve this matter, even if it means you have to make a refund!
if need be, arrange installmental payment with Maverick .... worst case scenario, abi?

I know you could be thinking if l refund, then people may think l was wrong or l duped him initially but guy, that is not always the case.
we do business and the fail sometimes, through no fault of ours.

My Broker cannot refund me, even though he was the one that advised me to pump money into it.
It was a honest mistake on his part as well. We move on.

take the challenge Brabus.

Ewe'sooo, omo'alaree.


BTW: Spyder, Hajj, can you come in please? Words are sweeter in the mouth of the 'Elders'.
Set this ball rolling and let us put this matter behind all of us.

spyder880:
@ excuseme, very detailed points, this might be the solution we seek.

My Oga, you have said "This Week"...... and so it shall be.

I will like Maverick to agree to this plan as well.
Brabus has shown willingness to be flexible......... Maverick should do same, for the sake of peace!

if possible, can they discuss "preliminary" offline with Hajj or you (Spyder) acting as go-between?
if a settlement is reached and agreed upon, they should go ahead and implement.

if they need the help of the house come in (where agreemnt is knotty) they should say

I guess since there's no comment so I can fire on.

The Approval Thingy

It's never my thing to get involved in anything documentation especially on projects where I didn't do the designs and drawings.
Everyone (including all engineers in the house) on the island knew how much the LASBCA guys do disturb sites without approvals and detailed representations.
So I clearly explained to my client Mr Maverrick that I'll prefer he get an approval document for the proposed development to avoid issues with the LASBCA guys prior to construction period. I've witnessed the task force operations before and ever since I've vouched not to have anything to do with them again. So, I told him I knew a guy on the island here who can help with securing approvals for the building. He works in the office and blah blah. The client even requested the guys number and they talked.
The first thing the guy told me was that there's no approval for the area by the govt yet but we can still go ahead to start the processing to avoid issues with those boys because they'll definitely come around. The guy said if there's anything or anyone that calls we should inform him and he'll be there to talk to them directly.

Now, when it comes to real approval. There's more to it than eye meets. No one can do the real approval on your behalf because of the processes and the requirements. And more importantly the Governors' consent or CofO. I asked for this details from Mr Maverrick and his response was that the consent was been processed. I can still remember when he visited Naija and I had to quickly drop a document for him at Ikota that he wants to take to Alausa for his consent.

The Big Question - Is the approval fake?

I can't really say Yes here because of the following:

1. The owner knew everything from the onset. No need to prove too much. There's possibility of forgetting some things. But our chat of on the 15th July 2015 on consent been turned back due to land falling on government acquisition and on 22nd July 2015 when LASBCA came to serve contravention order and mark X on the site should buttress the fact that payment was made to the guy to get us clearance while we get the necessary supporting documents to complete the approval. I can remember the discussion then was "Who came to mark X on the site?" "Isn't that what XYZ ought to have sorted?"

2. The built structure was 10m x 33m (6 units of 2 bed flats) but the drawing was scaled down to 10m x 21m (4 units of 2 bed flats) by the owner through his architect to get a lesser figure from the approval guy which is clear to us (Mr Maverrick, myself and the approval guy) all. The approval guy was also saddled with the responsibility of taking
care of any issues that may arise from the officials which he did without fail on both occasions when the officials came visiting.

It's pertinent to note that the client and the approval guy were having direct contact during the period. The only role I played was that I received and paid the money to the guy. And that I received the scaled down plan from the client and printed and handed over to the approval guy.

When the documents were delivered to the client, the approval guy delivered directly to the client and a photocopy was handed to me for site use by the client.

Ever since this issue was raised. The client has been in touch with the guy to the extent that the guy said he'll issue him a cover note or something which I'm really not clear about. That once his other documents are ready, he will complete the process. I told the client why put all the blame on me. We were all on this together. I never do a thing in isolation hence my reason for asking him to let us go to the office and fight dirty with the guy for defrauding us. At least maybe to clear my own name. But deep down, we both knew what was done. The scaled down building plan, the mandate given to the guy to clear up all issues from the boys that may come to disturb and the turned down consent which halts everything.

Let me rest here. If there's any question.

EgunMogaji:


This is the cheapie lockset that I picked up and will give to my door maker to use as template. There's one more piece that I need.

Deadbolt of life! The first lock though.

EgunMogaji:

I picked mine up. I will need to go back to get the bolts though.
Shyte is heavy

How much, my Boss?

Hajji M.

mufutau55:


How much, my Boss?

Hajji M.

$37 but Hajji it's ridiculously heavy (in a good way) and then I got bored so I looked it up on YouTube. Not sure what to make of this nut jobs because they showed it being defeated in like seconds

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Master-Lock-Magnum-Security-Lock-and-Guarded-Hasp-M736XKADCCSEN/202260772


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m81-5NiRSzM

befto:
Please can you explain what you mean by this?

Thanks

I think wwhat he means is that people will steal from you no matter what you do.

Boss @Excuzeme

Nice one sir... blessed are the peacemaker

We will make a lot of people on nairaland happy this year. Mark my words. You will thank me later.

brabus:
I guess since there's no comment so I can fire on.

The Approval Thingy

It's never my thing to get involved in anything documentation especially on projects where I didn't do the designs and drawings.
Everyone (including all engineers in the house) on the island knew how much the LASBCA guys do disturb sites without approvals and detailed representations.
So I clearly explained to my client Mr Maverrick that I'll prefer he get an approval document for the proposed development to avoid issues with the LASBCA guys prior to construction period. I've witnessed the task force operations before and ever since I've vouched not to have anything to do with them again. So, I told him I knew a guy on the island here who can help with securing approvals for the building. He works in the office and blah blah. The client even requested the guys number and they talked.
The first thing the guy told me was that there's no approval for the area by the govt yet but we can still go ahead to start the processing to avoid issues with those boys because they'll definitely come around. The guy said if there's anything or anyone that calls we should inform him and he'll be there to talk to them directly.

Now, when it comes to real approval. There's more to it than eye meets. No one can do the real approval on your behalf because of the processes and the requirements. And more importantly the Governors' consent or CofO. I asked for this details from Mr Maverrick and his response was that the consent was been processed. I can still remember when he visited Naija and I had to quickly drop a document for him at Ikota that he wants to take to Alausa for his consent.

The Big Question - Is the approval fake?

I can't really say Yes here because of the following:

1. The owner knew everything from the onset. No need to prove too much. There's possibility of forgetting some things. But our chat of on the 15th July 2015 on consent been turned back due to land falling on government acquisition and on 22nd July 2015 when LASBCA came to serve contravention order and mark X on the site should buttress the fact that payment was made to the guy to get us clearance while we get the necessary supporting documents to complete the approval. I can remember the discussion then was "Who came to mark X on the site?" "Isn't that what XYZ ought to have sorted?"

2. The built structure was 10m x 33m (6 units of 2 bed flats) but the drawing was scaled down to 10m x 21m (4 units of 2 bed flats) by the owner through his architect to get a lesser figure from the approval guy which is clear to us (Mr Maverrick, myself and the approval guy) all. The approval guy was also saddled with the responsibility of taking
care of any issues that may arise from the officials which he did without fail on both occasions when the officials came visiting.

It's pertinent to note that the client and the approval guy were having direct contact during the period. The only role I played was that I received and paid the money to the guy. And that I received the scaled down plan from the client and printed and handed over to the approval guy.

When the documents were delivered to the client, the approval guy delivered directly to the client and a photocopy was handed to me for site use by the client.

Ever since this issue was raised. The client has been in touch with the guy to the extent that the guy said he'll issue him a cover note or something which I'm really not clear about. That once his other documents are ready, he will complete the process. I told the client why put all the blame on me. We were all on this together. I never do a thing in isolation hence my reason for asking him to let us go to the office and fight dirty with the guy for defrauding us. At least maybe to clear my own name. But deep down, we both knew what was done. The scaled down building plan, the mandate given to the guy to clear up all issues from the boys that may come to disturb and the turned down consent which halts everything.

Let me rest here. If there's any question.

This has always been my suspicion cos I know a little about going on in this area.

If you no get consent or c of o technically no approval just inside job to keep the lasbca boys snd girls at bay while you build. Sorry those kind na under table hence no receipt..

Gabbytabby,

Please how do you handle your tenants these days to avoid headaches? Abeg make I learn from you please if you dont mind.

Regards.

3strike:
Gabbytabby,

Please how do you handle your tenants these days to avoid headaches? Abeg make I learn from you please if you dont mind.

Regards.

I get involved in the letting process and ensure that notices are issued if I suspect that a tenant Is struggling to pay be it rent or service charge. On average the alarm bells start to ring once you start owing service charge close to 3 months.

I am currently owed about 1m. I choose to be a little flexible but they should be paid soon. 1 is already served and the other 2 will be if I don't receive shortly. My caretaker was granted 2 evictions in the last 2 months one is for a friend's house and the tenant was not even owing rent but was really problematic. It got wrapped up in less than a month cost next to nothing.

If I get pushed I now have a real estate firm that are strictly business Diya fatimilehin that am told do the business.

gabbytabby:


I get involved in the letting process and ensure that notices are issued if I suspect that a tenant Is struggling to pay be it rent or service charge. On average the alarm bells start to ring once you start owing service charge close to 3 months.

I am currently owed about 1m. I choose to be a little flexible but they should be paid soon. 1 is already served and the other 2 will be if I don't receive shortly. My caretaker was granted 2 evictions in the last 2 months one is for a friend's house and the tenant was not even owing rent but was really problematic. It got wrapped up in less than a month cost next to nothing.

If I get pushed I now have a real estate firm that are strictly business Diya fatimilehin that am told do the business.

So who is your care taker? Diya Fatimilehin? I will seriously like to be in touch with a caretaker who can deliver so quickly.

Madam Gabbytabby.

Thanks for this very important info. We really need this o.
How much do this firm charge? I have alot of good things about them.

Where are they based?

gabbytabby:


I get involved in the letting process and ensure that notices are issued if I suspect that a tenant Is struggling to pay be it rent or service charge. On average the alarm bells start to ring once you start owing service charge close to 3 months.

I am currently owed about 1m. I choose to be a little flexible but they should be paid soon. 1 is already served and the other 2 will be if I don't receive shortly. My caretaker was granted 2 evictions in the last 2 months one is for a friend's house and the tenant was not even owing rent but was really problematic. It got wrapped up in less than a month cost next to nothing.

If I get pushed I now have a real estate firm that are strictly business Diya fatimilehin that am told do the business.

3strike:
We will make a lot of people on nairaland happy this year. Mark my words. You will thank me later.

Amen Oga 3strike. Progress all the way in 2016 for all NL members and Nigeria as a whole.

Aint no stopping us.....