lionel4power:
Israeli high command will be bordered right now

Well, Isreal is getting the F35i

And they operate the F15E "Strike Eagle" which some argue to be on par with the Rafael and Eurofighter and certainly superior to the Su-30/35 (See: Singapore Trials)

Anyway, Rafael is a fvcking beast and I am very jelly of Egypt.

FYI: :PIC 2 is Rafael with Storm-Shadow munitions which Egypt currently has

lionel4power:
well there's peace right now btw the two countries, now ISIS has made a shaky cooperation those two. after this ISIS crises many african nations will feel the punch, the issue is are they prepared for it? Nigeria has been fighting this type of threat for years now so we can cope. many african leaders are not even aware of the impending threat all they care about is power.

Nigerian Air Force guys pre-briefing before combat.

recently they have being trying to take control of Libya oil fields and facilities

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COx0_gdZ_BM

AU official says no possibility of sending in troops without the approval of the Burundian government.

The African Union will not deploy peacekeepers to Burundi unless the government in Bujumbura agrees, a senior AU official has said.

Ibrahima Fall, Special Representative for the Great Lakes Region, told French radio RFI, that deploying toops to the conflict-hit east African country without the consent of Bujumbura was "unimaginable".

"It has been, I think, bad communication. It was never the intention of the African Union to deploy a mission to Burundi without the consent of Burundian authorities," the Senegalese diplomat said.

AU leaders are debating the crisis at a two-day summit at the 54-member bloc's headquarters in Ethiopia. The talks are being held behind closed doors and it is unclear when a final decision will be taken.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/01/deploying-au-burundi-consent-unimaginable-160131084557603.html

africaken:
AU official says no possibility of sending in troops without the approval of the Burundian government.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/01/deploying-au-burundi-consent-unimaginable-160131084557603.html

Deeply disappointing news.

Examples must be made in order to make sure that everyone else behaves themselves.

africaken:
AU official says no possibility of sending in troops without the approval of the Burundian government.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/01/deploying-au-burundi-consent-unimaginable-160131084557603.html

AU dithering will be the death of Africa.. AU is not stronged willed at all... they should stand up a quick response force for this type of contingencies. no AU member states wants to commit in any conflict. if there's any thing I like about the Ethiopans, Kenyans and Nigerians is that they won't wait for any AU or whoever before they strike to put out any fire within their vicinity. if it was Nigeria if those days we would have been setting up a brigade or two to march into Burundian land.

africaken:
recently they have being trying to take control of Libya oil fields and facilities

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COx0_gdZ_BM

Libya is wild wild west right now.. nobody controls Libya so terrorists elements will flourish in that area. my main concern is that african country don't wants to take the bull by the horn and do something about it. there's an open corridor from Libya down to central africa and even down south. AU should have occupied Libya by now

Patchesagain:


Deeply disappointing news.

Examples must be made in order to make sure that everyone else behaves themselves.

There is nothing deeply disappointing about more conflict. Besides let's not kid ourselves, the 5,000 strong A.U forces to be sent would have suffered significant losses against the Burundian army.


The only example would have been a embarrassing defeat of a peace enforcement force.

Patchesagain:


Well, Isreal is getting the F35i

And they operate the F15E "Strike Eagle" which some argue to be on par with the Rafael and Eurofighter and certainly superior to the Su-30/35 (See: Singapore Trials)

Anyway, Rafael is a fvcking beast and I am very jelly of Egypt.

FYI: :PIC 2 is Rafael with Storm-Shadow munitions which Egypt currently has

the first stealth fighter in the region.
I don't know about u but I don't have much faith in the lighting II jet. I don't see it as a game changer in the region, not with Iran and Syria getting the latest in anti-stealth SAMs from mother Russia.
The F35 will come and pass without significantly changing any thing in the region all I see in its future is more anti-hezbolla/anti-hamas ground attack runs by IAF. how many units are they even buying anyway?

Nigeria COIN

Henry240:


There is nothing deeply disappointing about more conflict. Besides let's not kid ourselves, the 5,000 strong A.U forces to be sent would have suffered significant losses against the Burundian army.


The only example would have been a embarrassing defeat of a peace enforcement force.

there are reports of mass graves by Amnesty

Burundi crisis: Amnesty claims evidence of 'mass graves'

Rights group Amnesty says it has found five possible mass graves near Burundi's capital, where security forces are accused of killing scores of people in December.
Meanwhile, authorities have released two foreign journalists arrested on Thursday in the capital Bujumbura.
Violence in the country began last April, when President Pierre Nkurunziza announced he would seek a third term.
At least 439 people have died and 240,000 have fled abroad, the UN says.
African Union (AU) leaders are due to discuss the crisis in Burundi at a summit in Ethiopia.
They want Mr Nkurunziza to accept peacekeeping troops to prevent Burundi sliding into ethnic conflict, but analysts say he is unlikely to agree.

read more http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-35436560

SAAF Gripen

lionel4power:
Libya is wild wild west right now.. nobody controls Libya so terrorists elements will flourish in that area. my main concern is that african country don't wants to take the bull by the horn and do something about it. there's an open corridor from Libya down to central africa and even down south. AU should have occupied Libya by now

american is planning to open another front in libya against ISIS

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpIhWb4adCM

africaken:
there are reports of mass graves by Amnesty

Burundi crisis: Amnesty claims evidence of 'mass graves'

read more [url]httwww.bbc.com/news/world-africa-35436560[/url]

The crisis in burundi requires a political solution. More guns and bullets, especially at this stage would not solve the problem. All avenues for dialogue should have been exhausted before troops are sent in.



On a military stance, the A.U force would have suffered a catastrophic defeat in Burundi. It would have been so embarrassing.

Henry240:


There is nothing deeply disappointing about more conflict. Besides let's not kid ourselves, the 5,000 strong A.U forces to be sent would have suffered significant losses against the Burundian army.


The only example would have been a embarrassing defeat of a peace enforcement force.

Take a look at the Burundian army, it lacks armor and heavy weapons as well as air assets.

The AU brigades would have cut through them like a hot knife through butter, Rooivalk/Hinds and Gripen/Su30/Mig 29s would have had a feild day, a week long bombardment followed up by high-mobility formations attacking on multiple axises of advance and they would not stand a chance.

Remeber, the UN FIB of only 3k men, without fast jets or heavy armor and IFV's and no real heavy guns wiped out the M23 (who were better armed and had decades of combat experience) with the loss of less than 5 K.I.A and about 10 W.I.A

And then there is the fact that we just spent BILLIONS on the ASF and ACRIC and the total force ammounts to some 30 000 men, meaning we have a defacto numerical advantage as well. What is the point of the ASF if we are to afraid to use it?

Furthermore, the AU has a prima facie case for intervention under Article 5 of the UN Charter - considering the multidude of evidence of mass rapes, mass graves and ethnic genocide.

Decisive military defeat of the Burundians would be beyond question, the only real risk revolves around occupation and the ability of the Police units attached to the ASF to quell civil unrest.

Henry240:


The crisis in burundi requires a political solution. More guns and bullets, especially at this stage would not solve the problem. All avenues for dialogue should have been exhausted before troops are sent in.



On a military stance, the A.U force would have suffered a catastrophic defeat in Burundi. It would have been so embarrassing.

Dialogue can only go so far - and dialogue only solidifies the unjust position of an illegal government.

To say that the best the AU can offer would be defeated by a Burundian army that is more militia than regular and that is riven with ethnic strife is, in my opinion, incorrect.

my peace offering to my south africa friends,no hard feelings

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P1Bw1G8c4o

Henry240:


The crisis in burundi requires a political solution. More guns and bullets, especially at this stage would not solve the problem. All avenues for dialogue should have been exhausted before troops are sent in.



On a military stance, the A.U force would have suffered a catastrophic defeat in Burundi. It would have been so embarrassing.

even if it was ten of thousands dying every day,i still doubt we could get involved.this is bound to happen one of this days and its going to be another embarrassment to A.U. no wonder we never get consulted or our opinion taken into account ,look at what happened in Libya and whose repercussions were felt as far as Mali

uganda MIG-21UM

Patchesagain:


Take a look at the Burundian army, it lacks armor and heavy weapons as well as air assets.

The AU brigades would have cut through them like a hot knife through butter, Rooivalk/Hinds and Gripen/Su30/Mig 29s would have had a feild day, a week long bombardment followed up by high-mobility formations attacking on multiple axises of advance and they would not stand a chance.

Remeber, the UN FIB of only 3k men, without fast jets or heavy armor and IFV's and no real heavy guns wiped out the M23 (who were better armed and had decades of combat experience) with the loss of less than 5 K.I.A and about 10 W.I.A

And then there is the fact that we just spent BILLIONS on the ASF and ACRIC and the total force ammounts to some 30 000 men, meaning we have a defacto numerical advantage as well. What is the point of the ASF if we are to afraid to use it?

Furthermore, the AU has a prima facie case for intervention under Article 5 of the UN Charter - considering the multidude of evidence of mass rapes, mass graves and ethnic genocide.

Decisive military defeat of the Burundians would be beyond question, the only real risk revolves around occupation and the ability of the Police units attached to the ASF to quell civil unrest.

The funny thing about armed conflict is, it isn't always the guy with the biggest gun or largest army that wins the war. So many factors come into play.

-The Burundians can fight, they've showed this in Somalia, the CAR etc

- Burundi is there country, they know the terrain, they can identify unique kill zones to finish off A.U forces


- the strife is ethnic in nature, risk of ambushes, uncooperative locals is high


- we can plan all day, however it is the actual battles that decides who wins. I sure won't bet on the 5000 strong force winning at this time. The "climate" isn't right enough.

- further diplomacy is required in burundi, when this fail, then a military intervention can be considered.

Patchesagain:


Dialogue can only go so far - and dialogue only solidifies the unjust position of an illegal government.

To say that the best the AU can offer would be defeated by a Burundian army that is more militia than regular and that is riven with ethnic strife is, in my opinion, incorrect.

A political solution can be reached in Burundi. Let us wait for the next 6 months, take a look at how things pan out.


Without significant support of a section of the army, there is no evidence that a military intervention in Burundi would be successful.

africaken:
even if it was ten of thousands dying every day,i still doubt we could get involved.this is bound to happen one of this days and its going to be another embarrassment to A.U. no wonder we never get consulted or our opinion taken into account ,look at what happened in Libya and whose repercussions were felt as far as Mali

Libya, Iraq are not better today, than they were when dictators ruled over them.


Let's give diplomacy a chance. 23,000 men are currently deployed in Somalia, yet we are struggling to defeat Al-shabab.


Bravado doesn't win wars.

Henry240:


The funny thing about armed conflict is, it isn't always the guy with the biggest gun or largest army that wins the war. So many factors come into play.

-The Burundians can fight, they've showed this in Somalia, the CAR etc

- Burundi is there country, they know the terrain, they can identify unique kill zones to finish off A.U forces


- the strife is ethnic in nature, risk of ambushes, uncooperative locals is high


- we can plan all day, however it is the actual battles that decides who wins. I sure won't bet on the 5000 strong force winning at this time. The "climate" isn't right enough.

- further diplomacy is required in burundi, when this fail, then a military intervention can be considered.

Even economic embargo hasn't being considered,this is going to turn out to be another south sudan.i have a funny story about what is happening in burudi.a friend of mine initiated a relationship with a burundi lady,she has refused to leave his home.now the guy has a wife

Ghana air force L-39C

Chad air force PC-7

Equatorial Guinea Mi-35V

off topic :things are heating up between russia and turkey ,turkey air force has raised its alert level to orange after claims russia jets violated its air space and today russia has deployed it 4++ generation SU-35 jets to syria

russia SU-35 jets en route to syria

Namibian Police Air Wing
I find it 'interesting' that the police goes 'western' choppers while the Air Force goes for 'eastern' one's

africaken:
off topic :things are heating up between russia and turkey ,turkey air force has raised its alert level to orange after claims russia jets violated its air space and today russia has deployed it 4++ generation SU-35 jets to syria

russia SU-35 jets en route to syria

It's expected. Do you think Russia won't retaliate for the downing of their Jet? Putin has already said it that "we will REMIND them of what they did, NOT ONCE or TWICE"..... Bla bla bla.
Som practically, they will revenge--they are only waiting for the right atmosphere to strike back. The deployment of Pantsir,Buk,S400, Khibiny etc are not for show or meant for ISIS. Isil doesn't possess any jet or do they wage electronic warfare? Russia will surely Revenge sooner than later.

lionel4power:
Israeli high command will be bothered right now

Nope its actually Egypt that had to bother and buy Rafale jets with money gift from the equally bothered Saudis. Israel hasbpaid for 33 units of F-35 lightening stealth jet fighters with plans for total 50 to 75 of the stealth jets....and the whole Arab world is bothered.

Vikkie14:
It's expected. Do you think Russia won't retaliate for the downing of their Jet? Putin has already said it that "we will REMIND them of what they did, NOT ONCE or TWICE"..... Bla bla bla.
Som practically, they will revenge--they are only waiting for the right atmosphere to strike back. The deployment of Pantsir,Buk,S400, Khibiny etc are not for show or meant for ISIS. Isil doesn't possess any jet or do they wage electronic warfare? Russia will surely Revenge sooner than later.

turkey wants to shoot another russian plane down,they are claiming russia is still violating their air space.the worry is what if the shoot another russia plane down what will be russia reaction !

a sudanese soldier who was recently killed while fighting fighting in yemen holding a bulgaria AR-M9F with a folding stock.this rifle are being purchased by saudi and UAE for the newly created yemen army which sudan is helping train

africaken:
a sudanese soldier who was recently killed while fighting fighting in yemen holding a bulgaria AR-M9F with a folding stock.this rifle are being purchased by saudi and UAE for the newly created yemen army which sudan is helping train

What business do they have in Yemen?


Meanwhile
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