Patchesagain:


Who says it cannot fulfill its role requirements?
One man when the whole navy and an independant think tank set the requirements!

Your Navy's own experience.


“The Navy's experience with the strike craft demonstrated
that 60 m is precisely the wrong hull length for SA waters:
Shorter and the ride is lively but dry; longer and the ride is
more comfortable and dry. At 60 m it is uncomfortable and
wet, with real risk of damage in rough seas. Remember how
many of the strike craft found themselves inadvertently
doing a submarine crash dive imitation in rough seas."





Even for an MPV, an ideal MPV is between 45m - 55m length.

Henry240:


Your Navy's own experience.


“The Navy's experience with the strike craft demonstrated
that 60 m is precisely the wrong hull length for SA waters:
Shorter and the ride is lively but dry; longer and the ride is
more comfortable and dry. At 60 m it is uncomfortable and
wet, with real risk of damage in rough seas. Remember how
many of the strike craft found themselves inadvertently
doing a submarine crash dive imitation in rough seas."





Even for an MPV, an ideal MPV is between 45m - 55m length.

Ok, so it says the ride is rough - but where does it say it cannot meet mission requirements?

Talking out of your arse as usual, no doubt motivated by burning envy

Patchesagain:


Ok, so it says the ride is rough - but where does it say it cannot meet mission requirements?

Talking out of your arse as usual, no doubt motivated by burning envy

Envy..... Are you high?

Have you fvcking seen our shipping industry, it is massive. Ladol shipyard is the largest in Africa. I simply have nothing to be envious about.


The navy has at-least 500 vessels across it's 3 commands.


I just want to make common sense. I'm pointing out the type of vessels your Navy intends to purchase at 60meters, is just wrong. Every other intelligent folk would agree with me.

agaugust:


Egypt has the largest and heaviest defence industry in Africa, they produce thousands of Abrams tanks, thousands of missiles and artillery, they also produce vehicle and aircraft engines, and tens of thousands of heavy calibre munitions like howitzer and mortar shells, tens of thiusands.

South Africa is overhyped.

That notion exist only in your own crazy mind. South Africa has the largest and biggest defence industry. Why can't you just accept the truth for once?

Henry240:


Envy..... Are you high?

Have you fvcking seen our shipping industry, it is massive. Ladol shipyard is the largest in Africa. I simply have nothing to be envious about.


The navy has at-least 500 vessels across it's 3 commands.


I just want to make common sense. I'm pointing out the type of vessels your Navy intends to purchase at 60meters, is just wrong. Every other intelligent folk would agree with me.

Nigeria Navy has only 100 vessels, 50% of which are dysfunctional.

Henry240:


Envy..... Are you high?

Have you fvcking seen our shipping industry, it is massive. Ladol shipyard is the largest in Africa. I simply have nothing to be envious about.


The navy has at-least 500 vessels across it's 3 commands.


I just want to make common sense. I'm pointing out the type of vessels your Navy intends to purchase at 60meters, is just wrong. Every other intelligent folk would agree with me.

1. Who says largest in Africa?

2. You keep saying this... but when I ask you to account for these 500 "vessels" you go quite.

3. Our Navy, the CSIR and our Maritime Research center disagrees with you.

You are quite obviously envious

50% of Nigeria's navy only 100 vessels is OUT OF SERVICE. Laments Naval Chiefs.

http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/more-than-50-of-naval-ships-are-down-navy-chief-laments/218352/

Southern. African shipyard signs the MoU with Chinese Shipyards.

http://m.worldmaritimenews.com/#newsitem-158342

Henry240:


Envy..... Are you high?

Have you fvcking seen our shipping industry, it is massive. Ladol shipyard is the largest in Africa. I simply have nothing to be envious about.


The navy has at-least 500 vessels across it's 3 commands.


I just want to make common sense. I'm pointing out the type of vessels your Navy intends to purchase at 60meters, is just wrong. Every other intelligent folk would agree with me.

Some people are taking too much of palm wine here.

Patchesagain:


According to the opinion of one man.

The requirements were set by the Navy after exhaustive studies by CSIR and our Maritime Think Tank.

Little speed boats like the Shaldag are useless in our vast and rough waters!

Why will 25m IPV not be useless when you think it's suppose to be used as OPVs.

Patches the glory Hunter. I don't blame you cos you guys use a luxury yacht for IPV role.

Patchesagain:


According to the opinion of one man.

The requirements were set by the Navy after exhaustive studies by CSIR and our Maritime Think Tank.

Little speed boats like the Shaldag are useless in our vast and rough waters!

Why will 25m IPV not be useless when you think it's suppose to be used as OPVs.

Patches the glory Hunter.

Patchesagain:


1. Who says largest in Africa?

2. You keep saying this... but when I ask you to account for these 500 "vessels" you go quite.

3. Our Navy, the CSIR and our Maritime Research center disagrees with you.

You are quite obviously envious

Nigerian Navy has only 500 canoes. Well that way I agree.

Patchesagain:




2. You keep saying this... but when I ask you to account for these 500 "vessels" you go quite.



You are quite obviously envious

"● NNS Centenary brand new stealth

● NNS Unity brand new stealth, delivery 2016

● NNS Zaria brand new stealth

● NNS Burutu brand new stealth

● NNS Dorina brand new

● NNS Andoni I brand new

● NNS Andoni II brand new, delivery 2016

● 1 Survey ship, construction starts 2016

● 1 Landing Ship Tank, construction starts 2016

● 9 Shaldag Interceptors, brand new

● 6 OCEA FAB, brand new

● 60 X-38 Stealth combat catamarans, brand new

● 300 IPVs and amphibious landing crafts, brand new purchased year 2006-2012

● 100 IPVs all brand new purchased 2016 Jan-Feb-Mar."

Patchesagain:

1. Who says largest in Africa?


You are quite obviously envious

Tell us about ladol and its development.

The free zones in Nigeria are quite similar to those in Dubai . Dubai started its free zones with bare land and had different zones to focus on different sectors. Similarly ladol has been built from scratch. It is a 100% private development, and we focus on high-value industrial projects, where the inputs or outputs – or the process – is expensive. These are generally projects that value at hundreds of millions of dollars and, because the projects are either so valuable or so difficult to do, they typically haven’t been done in Africa before. We focus on that end of the market because we know that if we can create an environment where those projects can be done in Nigeria, it will have a huge multiplier effect.

An example of one such development is our shipyard. We built a US$300m shipyard, and that is the largest vessel integration yard in Africa. Right now we are involved in a project where we are building a $3.8bn offshore oil and gas vessel, and that is going to enable, for the first time in Nigeria’s history, a vessel of this kind to be birthed onshore in Nigeria. This means that instead of the entire project being centred around an offshore location – either in America or more recently in South Korea – all of the work can now be done in Nigeria.


What is the impact of this?

Patchesagain:



3. Our Navy, the CSIR and our Maritime Research center disagrees with you.

You are quite obviously envious

Your boat is not an IPV,


It is also not an MPV,


It surely isn't an OPV.


This procurement happens when a bunch of uneducated Zulus are promoted without assessing their mental capacity to provide the required skills to do the job.

iblawi:



Stop this trash.

You have no strick craft. All your your strike craft have been stripped off that role and currently used for patrol. Warrior class vessels are your only OPVs currently and it's less than 60m.
Frustrated glory Hunter.

@patches, I laugh in Spanish. How will IPVs be 50-60m ship? are you that frustrated?


Pls what is the average length of MPVs and OPVs?
Even the length of your IPVs T-craft class is 22m compare that to shaldag - class which 25m.

Dude!! If you don't know what we are talking about, just shutup, otherwise you sound like a retaard.

SANDF BEST MILITARY

jln115:

Dude!! If you don't know what we are talking about, just shutup, otherwise you sound like a retaard.

How will an IPV be 60 meters in length?...... This is a perfectly valid question.

SANDF BEST WITHOUT DOUBT

Henry240:


How will an IPV be 60 meters in length?...... This is a perfectly valid question.

That's has nothing to do with what I was talking about in the first place.

Secondly, they will also fulfill the minehunter role.

jln115:

Dude!! If you don't know what we are talking about, just shutup, otherwise you sound like a retaard.

You should be the 1 to shut up. Do you think we are kids here? 60m ship is what South Africans call IPV.

jln115:
That's has nothing to do with what I was talking about in the first place.
Secondly, they will also fulfill the minehunter role.

Address the question. Do you people even know what an IPV is?

Henry240:


Your boat is not an IPV,


It is also not an MPV,


It surely isn't an OPV.


This procurement happens when a bunch of uneducated Zulus are promoted without assessing their mental capacity to provide the required skills to do the job.

Henry go and celebrate your 50% incapable navy and stop blaming Zulus whose literacy rate is more than that of Igbos (Nigerians)

Henry240:


"● NNS Centenary brand new stealth

● NNS Unity brand new stealth, delivery 2016

● NNS Zaria brand new stealth

● NNS Burutu brand new stealth

● NNS Dorina brand new

● NNS Andoni I brand new

● NNS Andoni II brand new, delivery 2016

● 1 Survey ship, construction starts 2016

● 1 Landing Ship Tank, construction starts 2016

● 9 Shaldag Interceptors, brand new

● 6 OCEA FAB, brand new

● 60 X-38 Stealth combat catamarans, brand new

● 300 IPVs and amphibious landing crafts, brand new purchased year 2006-2012

● 100 IPVs all brand new purchased 2016 Jan-Feb-Mar."

Where is the source?

Henry240:


"● NNS Centenary brand new stealth

● NNS Unity brand new stealth, delivery 2016

● NNS Zaria brand new stealth

● NNS Burutu brand new stealth

● NNS Dorina brand new

● NNS Andoni I brand new

● NNS Andoni II brand new, delivery 2016

● 1 Survey ship, construction starts 2016

● 1 Landing Ship Tank, construction starts 2016

● 9 Shaldag Interceptors, brand new

● 6 OCEA FAB, brand new

● 60 X-38 Stealth combat catamarans, brand new

● 300 IPVs and amphibious landing crafts, brand new purchased year 2006-2012

● 100 IPVs all brand new purchased 2016 Jan-Feb-Mar."

Bhahahahahahaja… you are the biggest joke of the century.

Tell us why would your navy want to buy only 49 ships in ten years when they already have 500 ships?

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-4023/

Go and tell those tales to your ancestors.



May I remind you that your navy is still US Navy's charity case.

iblawi:

Why will 25m IPV not be useless when you think it's suppose to be used as OPVs.

Patches the glory Hunter. I don't blame you cos you guys use a luxury yacht for IPV role.

25m vessels are useless in RSA waters - sea is too rough and ranges are too long.

While the vessels the IPVs are replacing are 48m and 60m

Henry240:



● 300 IPVs and amphibious landing crafts, brand new purchased year 2006-2012

● 100 IPVs all brand new purchased 2016 Jan-Feb-Mar."

list these 400 vessels.

Henry240:


[s]Your boat is not an IPV,


It is also not an MPV,


It surely isn't an OPV.


This procurement happens when a bunch of uneducated Zulus are promoted without assessing their mental capacity to provide the required skills to do the job.[/s]

Yet again,

You make a fallacious argument:

Henry240:

== of buying an IPV which cannot fulfill it's role requirements.
Goodluck with your bad purchase

Yet that is not what heitman said! Quote what he said!

Dude, you cant even maintain a consisten argument!

And the Admiral who runs the project is an old Apartheid Era White man... so that ruins your racist arguments!

Whilst finally, we see our selves in the position where Henry is saying that the word of one man beats all the studies and opinions of all other scientists and Admirals!!

This reeks of petty envy to me

Henry240:


How will an IPV be 60 meters in length?...... This is a perfectly valid question.

Because of sea conditions - as confirmed by the Admiral in charge of the Operation.

IPVs will cover the current roles of the Warrior Class (60m) and the River Class (48m)

Hence the IPV will be sized inbetween these two vessels!!

While the OPV's will provide a new capability of a Frigate sized vessel for long range patrolling.

The Admiral in charge is an old white man... so that also wrecks your racist "dull zulu's" argument

[size=15pt]I think its pretty disgusting that you are having to make up stuff (only getting 3, they will be 60m) just for the sake of having an argument [/size]

Henry240:


Address the question. Do you people even know what an IPV is?

What is the military definition of an IPV?

Provide it

Henry240:


"● NNS Centenary brand new stealth

● NNS Unity brand new stealth, delivery 2016

● NNS Zaria brand new stealth

● NNS Burutu brand new stealth

● NNS Dorina brand new

● NNS Andoni I brand new

● NNS Andoni II brand new, delivery 2016

● 1 Survey ship, construction starts 2016

● 1 Landing Ship Tank, construction starts 2016

● 9 Shaldag Interceptors, brand new

● 6 OCEA FAB, brand new

● 60 X-38 Stealth combat catamarans, brand new

● 300 IPVs and amphibious landing crafts, brand new purchased year 2006-2012

● 100 IPVs all brand new purchased 2016 Jan-Feb-Mar."

Your Navy is weak.


SA Navy has:

"●4 Frigates brand new

● 3 Submarine

●10 Survey ships brand new

●80 Landing Ship Tanks

● 200 OCEA FAB, brand new

● 800 Stealth mine destroyers brand new

● 800 IPVs

●1 600 OPVs to be delivered.

All in all we have 200 000 ships


It is damned good to claim, hey.

Msauza:


Your Navy is weak.


SA Navy has:

"●4 Frigates brand new

● 3 Submarine

●10 Survey ships brand new

●80 Landing Ship Tanks

● 200 OCEA FAB, brand new

● 800 Stealth mine destroyers brand new

● 800 IPVs

●1 600 OPVs to be delivered.

All in all we have 200 000 ships


It is damned good to claim, hey.

Dont forget the 15 Zumwalt destroyers we ordered