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mart2k:
Uar speaking my language, u named ur children in my language n uar here saying uar not part of Yoruba. Ar u insane?

You are the one that is insane here, take it or leave it you touts borrowed some of our words.

We Edos don't speak your language and will never speak your language, just because there are some similarities doesn't mean the language is the same.

absoluteSuccess:
Great,
Please what does omo stand for in Edo language?

Omo as obvious as it sound means CHILD in Edo language!

In Orisa culture, Oduduwa is considered the founding king of the imperial age of the Yoruba that later became a divinity. He was born in the 8th-century bc as a Nok prince from what is now central Nigeria.

Before his arrival, the Yoruba had no actual king but were led by a council of babalawo (the Ogboni), headed by the head priest of Obatala. They were amongst the last people on Earth to never have engaged in war. While they lived a state of pure peace, Oduduwa understood the nature of war, something that was becoming increasingly present in Africa at the time stimulated by Asiatic invasions. He understood this because he was a great prince who had traveled across the continent seeking the joys of adventure.

When he traveled east to the Nok trading partner, Kush, due to his excellent skills in battle, he was conscripted by Pharaoh Piankhi to help him defend Africa. While the Black Carthaginians (called the 24th-Dynasty Meshwesh) had controlled Kemet for some time, their last king sought to ally with the Asiatics in exploiting Kemet. Oduduwa then joined Piankhi's army and they expelled the Asiatics and forced the Carthaginian Meshwesh princes to submit to Kushite leadership. This was the first time Oduduwa witness the ways of the Asiatics and the degree of blood-thirstiness in their war tactics. He then fled back to Nok to report what was happening at the gates of Africa.

He was then informed by the wise elders that the Asiatics are relentless and will eventually make their way through the gates of Africa in Kemet and march on to destroy the birthplace of wisdom, Ife, the holiest place on Earth.

Long before this could occur, Oduduwa set to establish a kingship in Ife that would maintain the first spiritual system of humankind but also involve the militaristic and political governance that could defend Ife when the time arrived.

Oduduwa successfully established Ife's first military and the beginnings of kingship in alliance with the priesthood were born. This became known as the Oduduwa Dynasty for his sons were assigned leadership of various city-states throughout Ancient Nigeria, even outside of Yorubaland. For instance, it was his son Oranmiyan who was sent to Benin City and left them an heir to rule in his place, Eweka. It is through Eweka that the Benin kings are linked to Oduduwa and the Yoruba culture as a whole.

Though the Yoruba had not known war, the establishment of a military government adjoined with the priesthood proved essential as the domino effect of war made it from West Asia to Yorubaland. For this, Oduduwa was deified and somewhat merged as a successer to Obatala's peace; a successor that understood the importance of a more militaristic reality than Obatala. The Yoruba fended off Islamic advancement for many centuries as well as European exploitation. However, war between African groups weakened the Yoruba and their empire collapsed, allowing for infiltration by Europeans.

Mo juba Oduduwa, the father of nationhood.

(Benin Empire bronze statue of Oduduwa)

Source: Ifa Yoruba Scientific Spirituality Facebook

Enahi:
God p urnish you for claiming Edo throne, are you mad or what?

You can even run madder than this if you so wish. The fact remains Oranmiyan disvirgined your princess and he installed his son as your king and that dynasty still stands till today except you can prove that there is another dynasty after Eweka's own.

For now keep getting pissed with the truth.

Enahi:
Shush you idiots that has inferiority complex written all over them must be s tupidd to think people want to be part of you fools.

It doesn't matter how small bini is but binis will never accept to be part of you touts.

Lol. Do you even know the meaning of inferiority complex? No body wants you to be part of Yoruba. Like I said you ppl are very irrelevant. Who needs dim witted Edo witches and prostitutes in yoruba lands. Enahi oruko weyrey.

ProfShymex:
There's nothing to go back and read cos you always contradict yourself in ya posts. Thus making them counter-intuitive. You alluded to matters politically and I compared it to another clime. Isn't Milan the most "relevant politically" in Italy today as the capital of the country? But would any sane person rate Milan ahead of Rome in Italy.

Now, back to Yorubaland. Lagos and Ibadan are the two most politically relevant cities in Yorubaland today. However, the Oba of Eko doesn't even have any jurisdiction over Lagos (the state). He's more like the Oba of Awori cos an Awori king can never preside over Ijebu/Ogu kings. So he's not even superior to the Ayanbguren of Ikorodu, Elepe of Epe, and Oba of Badagry (even the Oniru and Elegushi won't concede superiority to him). And would you put both Ayanbguren and Elepe over Awujale since both are Ijebu kings? Then the Ibadan king isn't a proper king.

So the question is: why make your argument about the most relevant cities today and not based on historical facts? Obviously, that shows you don't know what you're talking about.

You do not know what my "argument" is so stop making noise. You come out the the blue uninvited and quote me talking rubbish!!
The Rome and Milan comparison is NOT RELEVANT to what I wrote .There is absolutely no nexus
Please educate me by the way,When did Milan become the capital of Italy?
Please !!!


Obas are ceremonial and have no political role. The question is what does all this gibberish you are writing have to do with what I wrote before you quoted me?

Omeny:
Omo as obvious as it sound means CHILD in Edo language!

Finally, what does Edo and Bini means?
Don't be discouraged.

FuckTheMod:
Olodo

What is the meaning of OMO N'OBA = DESCENDANT OF THE KING.
IN CONCLUSION, WE YORUBAS ARE THE REAL KING.
THE BENIN KINGDOM IS OUR descendant

I DIDN'T INSULT ANYONE, I WONDER WHY U CALLED YOUR ENTIRE GENERATION AND YOUR PARENTS OLODO,LOW LIFE RETARD ...THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OMO OBA AND OMO N' OBA ...

Omeny:
Omo as obvious as it sound means CHILD in Edo language!

Finally,
what does Edo and Bini means?
Don't be discouraged.

Super1Star:
You can even run madder than this if you so wish. The fact remains Oranmiyan disvirgined your princess and he installed his son as your king and that dynasty still stands till today except you can prove that there is another dynasty after Eweka's own.

For now keep getting pissed with the truth.

Don't you get that your version of history is different from Edo version. Yoruba has their version while Edos have have their versions.

You can swallow your version and force it down on your Yoruba people but not me. I am Edo and I know all your s tupidd tactics.

Omeny:
Omo as obvious as it sound means CHILD in Edo language!

Finally,
what does Edo and Bini means?
Don't be discouraged.

Atlantian:
I have studied both cultures when there was a controversy about Lagos being a "No man's land", in actuality, I realised from historical records that in 1630s, the Benin people used to travel from Benin to Togo via Badagry. It was the Benin People that gave the name Eko, which means "Camp" in Bini language. The Benin people usually settled here in Lagos. It was on one of those trips that they met Ile-Ife fishermen on the coast of Eko and they fought and defeated the Ile-Ife fishermen and few Benin people settled in Eko and few scattered population of Ile-Ife people always settled for fishing.

When the Portugese came for exploration, the named Eko, which in Bini means camp, they name it Lagos, which means "Lake" in Portugese.

I think the Benin people have a very detailed history and this Oba issue will bring to light that Benin Monarchy is totally the precursor of the Eko, and what ever the disclosure will be, both tribes will take it in good faith. No tribe is superior, its just language that is different.

UR own version of history is d worst. U said benin people always camp in Lagos on their way to Togo n did u bother to ask ur history book whether some people live in d place where u referred to as camp or not. Because wat uar trying to say in essence is dat at dat time, nobody lives in d place we now called Lagos. Is dat so?

sirrinky:
You may not know this,but the binis bear Obahiagbon,
Obasohan,
Obaseki,
Obahon,
Obamwongie
Obasogbe etc.Just like the Yoruba culture adapted the Oba title,its logical they made permutations of it for personal names also. Looking at the span of the bini kingdom all the way from present benin to dahomey its clear really who the title and true royalty belongs to.The Oba stool of Bini kingdom is not some childs play where miscreants and wife beaters go exhibit their skills,its a thorough insult comparing to Bini.The Oba is foremost in Benin and even outside the kingdom he still is king. Love live the king.

Mayb of Bini and Oyo empire

ProfShymex:
Lol. Ijesha, Ekiti, and all other Yoruba groups - apart from Ijebu - and the ones under Bini, were all Oyo vassals. If Afonja hadn't used his treacherous hands with his Fulani slaves to sack Oyo, with the Egbas, Dahomey, and Bariba subsequently using that opportunity to fight for independence - they would've been Oyo vassals till the colonial Brits got to the shores of Nigeria.

Yes, Ibadan has no proper king and it's a conglomerate of all Yorubas, hence I put it in that position. However, if it had been a proper Yoruba subgroup with a royalty, I believe Ibadan should be ranked next to Oyo. That was the new kid of the block back then with a great military might that took on everyone almost by itself - with little support from what's left of Oyo, Ife, and Modakeke (weak states), while protecting Yorubaland from invaders at the same time. Ibadan was the warriors den back then and it almost took Oyo's place.

Anyway, there's no need for rankings but if we're to go by the historical facts, my ranking is the true ranking.

I just dey look you. We have trashed this out before, abi we should re-visit the etymology of the title Awujale ni

okay

I understand a bit of Benin language and a bit of Yoruba language and I can't see any connection in language and culture

Come .wa in Yoruba
Laor in Benin
Sit ...tota in Benin
Joko in Yoruba


So many things ...I think Benin isn't related to Yoruba ..maybe I feel that Benin has influence in Yoruba culture and they had military outpost in eko ...I felt that they must have ruled a lot of some Yoruba clans

But it isn't my wahala ...if Benin say they don't have any relationship with anybody so be itc

Pharoh:
In Orisa culture, Oduduwa is considered the founding king of the imperial age of the Yoruba that later became a divinity. He was born in the 8th-century bc as a Nok prince from what is now central Nigeria.

Before his arrival, the Yoruba had no actual king but were led by a council of babalawo (the Ogboni), headed by the head priest of Obatala. They were amongst the last people on Earth to never have engaged in war. While they lived a state of pure peace, Oduduwa understood the nature of war, something that was becoming increasingly present in Africa at the time stimulated by Asiatic invasions. He understood this because he was a great prince who had traveled across the continent seeking the joys of adventure.

When he traveled east to the Nok trading partner, Kush, due to his excellent skills in battle, he was conscripted by Pharaoh Piankhi to help him defend Africa. While the Black Carthaginians (called the 24th-Dynasty Meshwesh) had controlled Kemet for some time, their last king sought to ally with the Asiatics in exploiting Kemet. Oduduwa then joined Piankhi's army and they expelled the Asiatics and forced the Carthaginian Meshwesh princes to submit to Kushite leadership. This was the first time Oduduwa witness the ways of the Asiatics and the degree of blood-thirstiness in their war tactics. He then fled back to Nok to report what was happening at the gates of Africa.

He was then informed by the wise elders that the Asiatics are relentless and will eventually make their way through the gates of Africa in Kemet and march on to destroy the birthplace of wisdom, Ife, the holiest place on Earth.

Long before this could occur, Oduduwa set to establish a kingship in Ife that would maintain the first spiritual system of humankind but also involve the militaristic and political governance that could defend Ife when the time arrived.

Oduduwa successfully established Ife's first military and the beginnings of kingship in alliance with the priesthood were born. This became known as the Oduduwa Dynasty for his sons were assigned leadership of various city-states throughout Ancient Nigeria, even outside of Yorubaland. For instance, it was his son Oranmiyan who was sent to Benin City and left them an heir to rule in his place, Eweka. It is through Eweka that the Benin kings are linked to Oduduwa and the Yoruba culture as a whole.

Though the Yoruba had not known war, the establishment of a military government adjoined with the priesthood proved essential as the domino effect of war made it from West Asia to Yorubaland. For this, Oduduwa was deified and somewhat merged as a successer to Obatala's peace; a successor that understood the importance of a more militaristic reality than Obatala. The Yoruba fended off Islamic advancement for many centuries as well as European exploitation. However, war between African groups weakened the Yoruba and their empire collapsed, allowing for infiltration by Europeans.

Mo juba Oduduwa, the father of nationhood.

(Benin Empire bronze statue of Oduduwa)

Source: Ifa Yoruba Scientific Spirituality Facebook

So all of a sudden Oduduwa didn't fall from the sky any more, he is now from Nok.
You Yoruba people never seize to amaze me, you are all bunch of comfusionist.
You can keep deceiving others but you can't deceive me.

Oahray:
Please reference more credible sources. I like to learn.

Infact, this is Orun Oba Ado, in a very old quarter of ife, which means "The Ado King's Heaven"..... which is Benin's older name that was later corrupted to Edo.
Bini is a Yoruba/Itsekiri word however.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/1518844_benin_jpegf7703ac02b5b366483ad38e9afd3cb82

Benin tradition continues by pointing out that it was during the reign of the fourth Oba of Benin of the present dynasty, Oba Oguola, the starting date of which has been put at A.D. 1400, that the Oba requested a bronze-smith to be sent from Ife-Ife,[size=14pt] his ancestral home[/size], to teach the craft in Benin. Iguega (a rather strange name for an Ife man) was sent for the purpose, and there are shrines in Benin City today where he is worshipped.

This tradition, together with another which says that the heads of the deceased Obas of Benin were usually returned to Ife far burial at the site of Orun Oba Ado and that, in return, bronze memorial heads of the deceased Obas were sent to Benin to be kept there has given rise to speculation that Benin court art was derived from Ife. It is said further that this practice of sending bronze memorial heads to Benin was stopped by Oguola after the arrival of Iguega.
The exponents of this view have compared the naturalism of Ife works with the naturalism of those Benin works regarded as the earliest specimens, when Ife influence was still very strong in Benin. Furthermore, certain sculptures in Benin style have been found in Ife-Ife and vice-versa. For example, the figure in plate 97, which is obviously of Ife style, was found in Benin.

Also read:

since Oranmiyan dynasty started in Benin all the heads of the Obas of Benin on demise were buried in Ife in a sacred place called "Orun-Oba-Ado" up to the year 1900.
records in the archives made it clear that since 1191 AD, the Ooni of Ife had to be informed, and clearance must be given by him on the new Oba of Benin to be installed up to 1916
the official language in the palace of Oba of Benin till 1934 was Yoruba.

http://www.vcn.bc.ca/edo/news.php

Enahi:
Don't you get that your version of history is different from Edo version. Yoruba has their version while Edos have have their versions.

You can swallow your version and force it down on your Yoruba people but not me. I am Edo and I know all your s tupidd tactics.

I repeat, one of our kings said I the way history recorded it to be..

We are not reckoning with the voice of a drunk Chief. Let Oba of Benin say the same rubbish and incur the wrath of his ancestors on himself and lineage.

When he is man enough to speak we shall take him serious.

Please answer the following:

Why were you taking permission for installation of your kings from Ife, up till the 20th century.

2. Why were you burying you dead kings in Ife, even up till the 20th century.

3. What is the name of the father of Eweka I.

4. What was the name of the dynasty that went into extinction before Eweka dynasty started.

5. When did the following words sneaked into your lexicon - Oba, Benin.

6. Why are you worshipping the Yoruba deities despite the fact that they have no link to your place eg Olokumi, Ogun Osun, Sango and even Ifa.

7. Why was Yoruba language the official language of the palace until recently.

8. As powerful as Oyo Empire and Benin Kingdom were, why was there no attempt by any to conquer the other?

Omeny:
Omo as obvious as it sound means CHILD in Edo language!

Finally,
what does Edo and Bini means?
Don't be discouraged.

Omeny:
Omo as obvious as it sound means CHILD in Edo language!

Finally,
what does Edo and Bini means?
Don't be discouraged.

For those running their mouth like taps about the oba of Benin, read this beautiful write up by a yoruba prince maybe it willhelp you know understand the oba of Benin has no equal
http://chatafrik.com/articles/nigerian-affairs/omon-oba-n-edo-uku-akpolokpolo-he-is-a-breed-apart-among-nigerian-traditional-rulers#.VrncRWoo9xs

aribisala0:
You do not know what my "argument" is so stop making noise. You come out the the blue uninvited and quote me talking rubbish!!
The Rome and Milan comparison is NOT RELEVANT to what I wrote .There is absolutely no nexus
Please educate me by the way,When did Milan become the capital of Italy?
Please !!!

Obas are ceremonial and have no political role. The question is what does all this gibberish you are writing have to do with what I wrote before you quoted me?

Scratch my argument about Milan being the capital of Italy. Mistake on my part. But Milan is most relevant city in Italy today politically/economically, just as Lagos is in Nigeria. However, that doesn't negate the fact that when people think Italy, they think Rome. So my argument stands.

Anyway, you posited Lagos as being the most relevant Yoruba city politically and in the context of kings, I'd wager that you believe the Oba of Lagos should ranked as the most important Yoruba king, based on what's obtainable today and not historical fact. So since that's ya argument - counter what I posited about the Ijebu kings in Lagos who are on the same level as the Oba of Lagos and tell me if you'll rank them over the Awujale of Ijebuland in Ijebu Ode, which has no political relevance today.

Don't run - stick to what you posited.

I served in Edo state. I came across some esan folks bearing Ajakaiye, Ojo, Tunde, Titi, Seun, Ayo etc How can we explain that ?

clefstone:
I stand with the Bini interpretation cause those people know their history and have preserved it. The Oba stil lives in a medieval palace unlike yoruba obas that their palaces look like my palour

Do u v sense at all? How many Yoruba palace v u visited b4? U must b a muslim because of d way u think. It is muslims that do not embrace civilisatn or modernisatn but Yoruba muslims are exceptional, we embrace civilisatn wit boh hands n daz y u c our Obas living in a posh duplex situated within or outside d palace while d historical buildings including d ancient palace remain intact. Get dat to ur brain

willibounce1:
Lol. Do you even know the meaning of inferiority complex? No body wants you to be part of Yoruba. Like I said you ppl are very irrelevant. Who needs dim witted Edo witches and prostitutes in yoruba lands. Enahi oruko weyrey.

Lol you are just plain stupid, look Edo girls are 100 times better than your girls that keep sleeping with different men even when married.

Your ladies are so useless that they can't even cook for their kids, they always give 50 naira and 100 naira to their kids to go and buy food to eat. Please I don't want to insult your ladies but just respect yourself.

Yorubas are the real witches and wizards in Nigeria,you kill people for rituals.

is it not the same ridiculous story about how oduduwa used sand from a snail shell to fill the earth
whether they where descended from Yoruba's or not,you still can't compare the sort of influence and power the great Benin Empire and their Oba's wielded to that of the Ooni's or some so-called Alake's.

MrPresident1:
I just dey look you. We have trashed this out before, abi we should re-visit the etymology of the title Awujale ni

Fam, go sit ya arse down and focus on ya conspiracy crap about the allegories in the bible. This is about real history.

Your idiotic argument about Oyo and Ijebu is the dumbest ever cos Ijebuland existed way before Oyo. And Ijebu already had more than five kings before Oyo was founded. So how can a kingdom the predated a next one be founded by the latter? There's no logic in ya crap.

Juxtified:
The Yorubas, as educated as they are, hardly know their history. Maybe its because they're taught in yoruba language in their schools, and translation may be their problem.
They pick quarrels here & there unnecessarily, dodging facts and basing their arguments on sentiments and numerical strength instead of intellectual strength. First it was the Igbos, that war they have not won, now they're ignorantly veering towards the peaceful Edo Nation.

IPOB or IPAD, which one u b?

mart2k:
uar very right. Daz y u hear somtin like Ooni of Ife, Oba .....(D name follows), Alake of Egbaland, Oba.... And so on n so forth. Just forget abt d stewpid benin chiefs

Its un yoruba calling another persons king st.up.id though. Guess somewhere we got the meaning of the word oba mixed up.... Nothing major.

Lemon12:
"Oba of Benin has nothing to do with the Yoruba Obas. It is simply unnecessary, unless they simply want to stir up an unnecessary controversy. We are not in yorubaland , we are not Yoruba people "

Stop grabbing other people throne with them

We do not grab what is ours. We know the throne is ours.

Go back to the Oba's palace and take proper lecture.