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Super1Star:
I repeat, one of our kings said I the way history recorded it to be..

We are not reckoning with the voice of a drunk Chief. Let Oba of Benin say the same rubbish and incur the wrath of his ancestors on himself and lineage.

When he is man enough to speak we shall take him serious.

Please answer the following:

Why were you taking permission for installation of your kings from Ife, up till the 20th century.

2. Why were you burying you dead kings in Ife, even up till the 20th century.

3. What is the name of the father of Eweka I.

4. What was the name of the dynasty that went into extinction before Eweka dynasty started.

5. When did the following words sneaked into your lexicon - Oba, Benin.

6. Why are you worshipping the Yoruba deities despite the fact that they have no link to your place eg Olokumi, Ogun Osun, Sango and even Ifa.

7. Why was Yoruba language the official language of the palace until recently.

8. As powerful as Oyo Empire and Benin Kingdom were, why was there no attempt by any to conquer the other?

I will not waste my time to answer your questions because you are just s tupidd.
Some of your questions are very funny and I can't help but laugh at them.

ProfShymex:
Fam, go sit ya arse down and focus on ya conspiracy crap about the allegories in the bible. This is about real history.

Your idiotic argument about Oyo and Ijebu is the dumbest ever cos Ijebuland existed way before Oyo. And Ijebu already had more than five kings before Oyo was founded. So how can a kingdom the predated a next one be founded by the latter? There's no logic in ya crap.

There were indigenous aboriginal people on ground when Oduduwa arrived from wherever he came from. There are families in Ile-Ife till tomorrow that are aboriginal families, Oduduwa met them there.

That Ijebu pre-existed Oyo, that is not the subject of this discussion. You people are just so unwilling to hear the truth, but it stares you in the face!

ProfShymex, are you not a Yoruba man

Anayordike:
The Chief said the "adaptation" started in the 1950s. So the question is did any body bear Obafemi, Obayomi, Obasanjo, Obaseki before the 50s? Lolz!

Uar very right, Obafemi Awolowo, Obadare d great evangelist n others were born 2010. U b original mumu; anybody cn sell anything to u n u wl bliv. U better start to think wit ur brain instead of ur anus

Enahi:
I will not waste my time to answer your questions because you are just s tupidd.
Some of your questions are very funny and I can't help but laugh at them.

They are beyond you to comprehend and answer.

When the Oba is man enough to answer all that, we shall take it from there.

I rest my case on this matter.

MrPresident1:
There were indigenous aboriginal people on ground when Oduduwa arrived from wherever he came from. There are families in Ile-Ife till tomorrow that are aboriginal families, Oduduwa met them there.

That Ijebu pre-existed Oyo, that is not the subject of this discussion. You people are just so unwilling to hear the truth, but it stares you in the face!

ProfShymex, are you not a Yoruba man

I'm not into junk revisionism. I gave you academic proofs, yet you keep posting nonsense from revisionists.

Ijebuland existed before Oyo and Ijebus already had more than five kings before Oyo was founded. If your reading is extensive, you'd know that, hence Ijebus always claim Obanta ancestry and not Oduduwa.

Ketu also existed way before Oyo.

sybarite7:
I DIDN'T INSULT ANYONE, I WONDER WHY U CALLED YOUR ENTIRE GENERATION AND MY PARENTS OLODO,LOW LIFE RETARD ...THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OMO OBA AND OMO N' OBA ...

Woe betide thee

It's
You
Your old foól drunkąrd father
And your whòre mother that are retąrds.

Enahi:
Lol you are just plain stupid, look Edo girls are 100 times better than your girls that keep sleeping with different men even when married.

Your ladies are so useless that they can't even cook for their kids, they always give 50 naira and 100 naira to their kids to go and buy food to eat. Please I don't want to insult your ladies but just respect yourself.

Yorubas are the real witches and wizards in Nigeria,you kill people for rituals.

You dog. At least you did not deny that you are dim witted neither did you deny being witches and prostitutes. When are you going to Italy? Don't ever make the mistake that you can fly from here to Italy oo. You go die for road ni. Your witch never strong reach.

It is undisputed. When it comes to witch craft and prostitution , na Edo be head quarters. Though biafra girls are giving you guys a run for your money whn it comes to prostitution.

Awon Aja jati jati. Enahi gbera! Go and attend to your customer.

Super1Star:
We do not grab what is ours. We know the throne is ours.

Go back to the Oba's palace and take proper lecture.

u mean u know history morethan the Oba of benin ?

And what is it that is yours? Bini kingdom?

ProfShymex:
Scratch my argument about Milan being the capital of Italy. Mistake on my part. But Milan is most relevant city in Italy today politically/economically, just as Lagos is in Nigeria. However, that doesn't negate the fact that when people think Italy, they think Rome. So my argument stands.

Anyway, you posited Lagos as being the most relevant Yoruba city politically and in the context of kings, I'd wager that you believe the Oba of Lagos should ranked as the most important Yoruba king, based on what's obtainable today and not historical fact. So since that's ya argument - counter what I posited about the Ijebu kings in Lagos who are on the same level as the Oba of Lagos and tell me if you'll rank them over the Awujale of Ijebuland in Ijebu Ode, which has no political relevance today.

Don't run - stick to what you posited.

Firstly ,Milan and Rome are not relevant and you have failed to draw even a metaphorical connection. Tangential thinking really
No I do not believe that any king is more important than others since they all have no political power or relevance. To quote me on the basis of what you think I think is quite infantile.
A king is as important as his kingdom is and quite frankly none of these "kings" has any kingdom but if they did as today's borders go then certainly Lagos would be a bigger kingdom. Historically there is NO YORUBA KINGDOM but there was an empire and in that order the Alaafin was at the top of the chain.That order is now defunct and there is no hierarchy

So, my point is a nuanced one for flexible ones with comprehension power,not rabble...........

By the way Rome has a bigger GDP than Milan so I don't know what you mean by "Most important". Please stop talking rubbish.You are boring

scholes0:
Infact, this is Orun Oba Ado, in a very old quarter of ife, which means "The Ado King's Heaven"..... which is Benin's older name that was later corrupted to Edo.
Bini is a Yoruba/Itsekiri word however.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/1518844_benin_jpegf7703ac02b5b366483ad38e9afd3cb82

Benin tradition continues by pointing out that it was during the reign of the fourth Oba of Benin of the present dynasty, Oba Oguola, the starting date of which has been put at A.D. 1400, that the Oba requested a bronze-smith to be sent from Ife-Ife,[size=14pt] his ancestral home[/size], to teach the craft in Benin. Iguega (a rather strange name for an Ife man) was sent for the purpose, and there are shrines in Benin City today where he is worshipped.

This tradition, together with another which says that the heads of the deceased Obas of Benin were usually returned to Ife far burial at the site of Orun Oba Ado and that, in return, bronze memorial heads of the deceased Obas were sent to Benin to be kept there has given rise to speculation that Benin court art was derived from Ife. It is said further that this practice of sending bronze memorial heads to Benin was stopped by Oguola after the arrival of Iguega.
The exponents of this view have compared the naturalism of Ife works with the naturalism of those Benin works regarded as the earliest specimens, when Ife influence was still very strong in Benin. Furthermore, certain sculptures in Benin style have been found in Ife-Ife and vice-versa. For example, the figure in plate 97, which is obviously of Ife style, was found in Benin.

Also read:


http://www.vcn.bc.ca/edo/news.php

I read your link... There are two accounts, the Bini version and the Yoruba version by Oba Sijuwade in the rebuttal. The claim about buried heads is only promoted by yoruba proponents. There's no proof that Edo was once Ado either (the account about Ewuare and the slave boy Edo seems more plausible), unless you are implying that Ado-Ekiti originated with the Binis. It's hard to believe any tale told by people who claim that Oduduwa descended from heaven on a chain.

I'd still stick with the more realistic bini version till there's enough evidence to sway me in the other direction.

aribisala0:
Firstly ,Milan and Rome are not relevant and you have failed to draw even a metaphorical connection. Tangential thinking really
No I do not believe that any king is more important than others since they all have no political power or relevance. To quote me on the basis of what you think I think is quite infantile.
A king is as important as his kingdom is and quite frankly none of these "kings" have any kingdom but if they did as today's borders go then certainly Lagos would be a bigger kingdom. So, my point is a nuanced one for flexible ones with comprehension power,not rabble...........

Still going round in circles without making any cerebral sense whatsoever.

Now, let's juxtaposition your argument about "A king is as important as his kingdom is" based on what you posited earlier as Lagos being the most relevant Yoruba city today. And in Lagos, there are two Ijebu kings.

So would you put the two Ijebu kings in Lagos ahead of the Awujale of Ijebuland in Ijebu Ode, a city whose relevance is stuck in the past and not today? Answer the simple question and stop going around in circles.

mart2k:
UR own version of history is d worst. U said benin people always camp in Lagos on their way to Togo n did u bother to ask ur history book whether some people live in d place where u referred to as camp or not. Because wat uar trying to say in essence is dat at dat time, nobody lives in d place we now called Lagos. Is dat so?

Eko means "camp" in Bini language and the fact that the name Eko is adopted till this date means that the history is accurate. There is no direct yoruba meaning for the word for Eko in the yoruba dialect. Not all parts of Earth as at today is inhabited by humans. The land called Eko was uninhabited as at that time by humans. Bini people largely used the route during the slave trade era to other locations for commerce and at badagry you will agree that different tribes were selling and buying slaves and reselling. The great Ile Ife people actually came for fishing at Eko since it was and still remain largely a lagoon state.

It might interest you to know that I am neither Bini nor Igbo, neither am I yoruba, I am simply a human being who believes in facts. No one chose the tribe he was to be born in, and no tribe enjoys food better than the others. You are not yoruba because you are black, I am also black. You are not yoruba because blood flows in you, and I dare say, you are not yoruba because you are biased, Yoruba people are not biased.

The moment we realize that every part of this planet will develop and function like New York someday, the better for your myopic mental masturbation.

Learn to spell, I have no tolerance for illiterates, it is not pride, it is just that a lion can not eat grass.

mart2k:
IPOB or IPAD, which one u b?

Hahaha... Which one is IPAD again? I started hearing about IPOD today...lol

Oahray:
I read your link... There are two accounts, the Bini version and the Yoruba version by Oba Sijuwade in the rebuttal. The claim about buried heads is only promoted by yoruba proponents. There's no proof that Edo was once Ado either (the account about Ewuare and the slave boy Edo seems more plausible), unless you are implying that Ado-Ekiti originated with the Binis. It's hard to believe any tale told by people who claim that Oduduwa descended from heaven on a chain.

I'd still stick with the more realistic bini version till there's enough evidence to sway me in the other direction.

lol, I am not trying to compel you to accept Yoruba History....afterall, you aren't one.
Until the Binis explain to us, how so many Yoruba customs leaked and permeated their 'Unique" culture..... something will alsways smell fishy.

WIZGUY69:
See you
How can a group of 30m people be extracted from 2m people?
think about it.

how did the whole world population of more than 6 billion come just two people. Adam and Eve. think about it.

FuckTheMod:
Woe betide thee

It's
You
Your old foól drunkąrd father
And your whòre mother that are retąrds.

Being a grown up entails letting go of certain issues rada dan arguing&fighting like toddlers.itz such a pity dere aint any rehabilitation center to tend to ur level of bitterness,ill character dat ooze&results in stench frm afar.pls child grow up,focus on ur buisness,discover ur career, build ur life to attain success&great personality.
I WISH U ,WAT IS WRITTEN ON UR SIGNATURE

EGBON IF U WANT THE KINGSHIP ,COM AND COLLECT

HartIse:
It's so painful that there isn't a way to screen out underage people from such fora.
Even the Queens of England, the Portuguese, and other Europian leaders have duly recognized the Obas of the ancient Benin kingdom from time immemorial. A kingdom that singlehandedly waged war on the British leading to the Benin massacre of 1897 and theft of countless artifacts and records from the Kingdom.
The fact you have the population doesnt mean you are more ancient, its like saying the USA is older or more culturally relevant than the UK.

Thanks for this post and making a lot of sense, some people here reason like 15 year olds, saying because you have more population automatically makes you superior.

OPCNAIRALAND:
It is indisputable that Oba is a titular position and belongs to Yoruba culture, not Benin.

So why is King of Benin a titular Omo n'Oba (the descendant of Oba), can the Benin palace give us clarity on this?

Stop trivializing issues, people want to learn the truth if it is possible.
He said that in 1942, in Western Regional meeting of Traditional Rulers, no ruler had the title-name OBA except the OBA of Benin, OP charged anyone who cared to know to go check out the Attendance for proof.

Have you made any effort to look for that attendance?
Have you tried to research at all?

OP's points are very BOLD, ASSERTIVE AND VERY LOGICAL! OLUBADAN, ALAKE OF EGBAALAND, OONI OF IFE, ALAFIN OF OYO, ATAOJA OF OSHOGBO etc

Lemon12:
u mean u know history morethan the Oba of benin ?

And what is it that is yours? Bini kingdom?

Oba of Benin has not spoken. We are waiting for him. We cannot be reckoning with the voice of a drunk Chief.

Is Benin Kingdom ours? No. Benin people have been in existence fr time immemorial.

Is Benin Crown ours? Yes, because it is Oranmiyan's crown.

Is Benin Kingship Dynasty ours? Yes, because it is Oranmiyan's dynasty.

But if the kingdom belongs to the Crown, then Benin Kingdom is ours.

Ba turenchi.

ProfShymex:
Still going round in circles without making any cerebral sense whatsoever.

Now, let's juxtaposition your argument about "A king is as important as his kingdom is" based on what you posited earlier as Lagos being the most relevant Yoruba city today. And in Lagos, there are two Ijebu kings.

So would you put the two Ijebu kings in Lagos ahead of the Awujale of Ijebuland in Ijebu Ode, a city whose relevance is stuck in the past and not today? Answer the simple question and stop going around in circles.

Guy I suggest you scroll back to the top. You quoted me and not the other way round. I am not here to answer stuupid questions. I have expressed my opinion on what I want to talk about and not what you want me to talk about. I am not here for an interview
I have said what I think. Intelligent people communicate with other intelligent people using intelligent prose. Unintelligent people see the world in binaries and like concrete communication. I cannot help such folk as the Yoruba say "Owe leshi oro"
If you do not like it that is too bad. It is not my place to determine a ranking of kings,personally I do not believe that and have said so several times.
If there were to be a ranking ranking of 2015 may not be like that of 1915
just like the League tables it all depends on contemporary reality

This is the history told by members of the kingmakers council of Benin. Notice that the highest attribute given to these people is telling the truth. Then check the truth they spoke about Oranmiyan and that he is not indigene of Benin.
 




HISTORY OF ERO FAMILY
 
     The history of Ero family of Benin Kingdom came to be since the Foundation of the Benin Monarchy under Ogiso. It is recorded that Ogiso Ere 40 B. C. selected four elders and marked them out as his wise counselors. They were Oliha, Edohen, Ero, and Eholo Nire. They were called Edion Nene. At that time, a man called Ero was chosen among the four elders. It was these people that came to be known as king makers in later days. Ero was formally at Ugbekun, but when Ogieamien started fighting Oromiyan after his arrival to Benin kingdom, Omokhua Ero, in 1180 A. D. moved out of Ugbekun to the present area of Urubi. Ero family is one of the largest corporate families in Benin Kingdom. The family’s greeting is “Lamosun”. The family has been known as the defender of the kingship. For example, Omoregie Ero defended and preserved Idia, the mother of Oba Esigie in 1504.
 
     In 1897, Izedonmwen Ero also defended Oba Eweka II before he was crowned in 1914 when the British wanted to crown another person. The family is known for telling the truth. It is pertinent to know that there has been 22 Eros in Benin Kingdom since 1200 A. D. when they became known as Uzama.
 
 
THE UZAMA NIHINRON – THE SEVEN UZAMA (KING MAKERS)
 
     The Uzama originated from Ogiso era. They were known as Edion who ruled jointly with Ogiso kings who were more or less in a primus inter pares position with them.
 
     They were five until 1200 A. D. as follows:
Oliha, Edohen, Ero, Eholo Nire, and Ezomo. They went to search for Oromiyan to come to Benin in the face of Evians opposition.
 
     Oloton who came with Oromiyan from Uhe was added to them by Oba Eweka I. Oba Ewuare later added his Edaiken to them, bringing the number to seven. Oba Ewedo changed their names from Edion to Uzama in 1255 A. D. They crowned the Oba and Oliha as their leader. Their title is hereditary and live in palaces in their own domain outside the moats. They also occupy the Western side of the City.
 
 
LAMOSUN
THE MORNING GREETING OF ERO FAMILY
 
     The morning greeting of Ero is “LAMOSUN”. Like other greetings in Benin Kingdom, it is very distinct and unique in the sense that it has kept the family together wherever they are.
 
     The word “Lamosun” always strike the ears of any Ero family member whenever any one greets it. With it, they embrace themselves even though they have never known each other before. The greeting came to be when there was chaos in Benin and the City was decaying as a result of epidemic and other violence and riots infused on the City by people with evil spirit’s demonic powers; evil thinkers and evil doers of whatever class or grade. The then Ero went away by land and brought Osun- god of herbs, to quell down the situation. The problem was solved. There was peace, unity, welfare, and prosperity came to the City. The Oba was grateful to him and asked him to carry the Osun to his domain and to mark and remember this great act, he was told to be greeting “Lamosun” meaning carry the osun, for you alone can operate it for the benefit of the Kingdom.
 
 
ERO AND THEIR PERIODS IN THE STOOL
AT URUBI – BENIN KINGDOM
 
S/N
NAMES
PERIOD
1.
OMOKHUA ERO
1180 A. D.
2.
IYANGBE ERO
1220 A. D.
3.
EILOGHOSA ERO
1245 A. D.
4.
EHIBO ERO
1270 A. D.
5.
OGBEBO ERO
1345 A. D.
6.
EREBO ERO
1430 A. D.
7.
EKHOSUEHI ERO
1770 A. D.
8.
OMOREGIE ERO
1504 A. D.
9.
OSEGBOWA ERO
1596 A. D.
10.
AIGBOKHAEVBO ERO
1698 A. D.
11.
UYIEKPEN ERO
1725 A. D.
12.
OMOGHAN ERO
1749 A. D.
13.
UWAILA ERO
1750 A. D
14.
OMODUA ERO
1754 A. D.
15.
OSAWENWEN ERO
1760 – 1790 A. D.
16.
OSIFO ERO
1790 – 1820 A. D.
17.
OMOREGIE ERO
1820 – 1890 A. D.
18.
IZEDONMWEN ERO
1890 – 1918 A. D.
19.
EVBUOMWAN ERO
1918 – 1938 A. D.
20.
OSEMWEGIE OZO ERO
1938 – 1972 A. D.
21.
AIYEVBEKPEN ERO
1972 – 1972 A. D.
22.
IMAFIDON ERO
2000 – PRESENT
 
 
     Chief OSEGBOWA ERO is recorded to have stayed longest in the stool of Ero of Urubi for 102 years. He was installed as Chief Ero at a tender age of 6 years (1596) and died in (1698).
 
     Omoregie Ero (1820 – 1890) was made Administrator (ENOTUEYEVBO) by Oba Adolo (1848) to both Iyekovia and Iyekorhionmwon respectively. As a result, he had many wives in these areas that bore him several children. He was the father of Izedomwen, Ediae, Igiebor, Ogbebor, Osemwegie, Ehigie, Aghedo, and others. During his burial rites, there were 60 Oton and Urubi was filled to capacity.
 
 
THE USE OF BRASS “EROMWON”
BY ERO FAMILY
 
     Omoregie Ero the 17th Ero of Benin helped Esigie (1504) in preserving Idia, the Oba’s mother. Before this time the culture was to eliminate the Oba’s mother, but Oba Esigie found this culture to be barbarous. He used Omoregie Ero (1504) to stop this custom. Omoregie Ero had a secret groove at Idumwum-Oro at Uselu and called it Aro-Osun – The Shrine of god of herbs which no one, except those initiated could enter the place. For a long time he kept Idia the mother of Esigie there while Oba Esigie also fought to eradicate the bad custom of eliminating the Oba’s mother.
 
     When Oba Esigie eventually crowned his mother as Oba’s Queen Mother; he rewarded Omoregie Ero with “Brass Plates”. He said, while decorating him “as you made my mother to be durable to me, I give you these brass plates to be used by your family for as Brass is durable so also will your family be durable”. “Oze i keke, eronmwon i guehun”. “the brass does not rotten”. It is only Ero family that can use brass in festivals, marriage ceremonies and burial rites in Benin Kingdom.
 
 
THE EMEHE OF URUBI
 
     The Emehe of Urubi are sets of people who were dedicated to serve Ero throughout their lives. They are not slaves as some people call them, but are free citizen who perform not only rites in Urubi but do all sorts of works, serious or minor. They were forbidden to see Chief Ero without doing any work or carrying a load. Hence, whenever they see Chief Ero, they pick something from the ground and put it on their heads, or pretend to be carrying even the wall of a house. They are very reasonable and talk to Ero on certain issues wisely. They entertain Ero with story telling, dancing and wrestling, sing songs in proverbs, riddles, fairy tales, folk tales and stories of the past Obas and Eros.
 
     The Emehe protect Ero and his family and were made to take oaths on this. They also entomb the body of the corpse of Ero when he joins his ancestors. They are still very active today.
 
THE IYA ERO (MOAT)
 
     The word: Iya Ero” is not one word which people usually write or pronounced as “Iyaro”. It is two words – that mean (Iya Oghe Ero). The word is used in describing the domain of Ero of Urubi. The moats at both ends are a gate way from Benin City when crossing the moat towards Urubi. The moat was said to be dug by Oba Ewuare in 1440 A. D. Chief Ero took care of the gate during ancient wars.
 
The moat is called “Iya Ero” not “Iyaro”.
 
 
THE IYAKPAN
 
     The Iyakpan on the Uselu side is the boundary between Urubi and Uselu Quarters. Iyakpan is the present five junctions at Uselu (TV Road). The moat was dug by the Oba Oguola in 1280 A. D., it was here the Uselu Chiefs handed over the Edaiken to Chief Ero and Benin Chiefs during coronation of any Oba. The Iyakpan has been covered in several places for building. This is a very sad situation and very embarrassing to the Museum or Tourism Authorities in Nigeria.

scholes0:
lol, I am not trying to compel you to accept Yoruba History....afterall, you aren't one.
Until the Binis explain to us, how so many Yoruba customs leaked and permeated their 'Unique" culture..... something will alsways smell fishy.

Somewhere between both claims is the truth.

Both nations originated and existed independent of each other. Until the binis ran into their Ogiso problem. Their prince marked for dead was spared and banished instead. He went west and established a monarchy there.

So great is the human reverence for what he does not know that he would give it supernatural undertones. The people only knew that he came from another place. Gradually they spun tales until the man eventually descended from heaven as a mystical being.

Both accounts agree that some Binis came and Oduduwa sent Oranmiyan with them. I do not believe a people with as big an ego as the binis have would beg a complete stranger to rule over them, or that any king would send his beloved child with strangers. Unless... Unless he knew them before.

That said, Oranmiyan was more raised to be more yoruba than bini. So when he went, he took his upbringing with him and struggled to adapt. He likely left more than just a son with the binis. He left them with the version of kingship that his father started in Ile-ife. He and his lineage influenced existing bini tradition. There's what is called cultural assimilation. It is inevitable when two cultures mingle.

I believe the Oba is a yoruba term, but I believe the yorubas got their monarchy from the Binis in the first place. Afterall Nigeria exports crude and imports refined petroleum. The fact that we import petroleum doesn't mean none of it could have originated somewhere under the Nigerian seabed.

Until I see better evidence, this is the most plausible marriage of both cultural accounts. No one descended from any heavenly chain.

Enahi:
You are the biggest liar and fool on nairaland.
Yorubas are copycats.

who is this one throwing tantrum at everybody are you really a lady,u are so pathetic that u can't reason well and talk well,only to curse,who is ur bf

OPCNAIRALAND:
We should ask them self, since they claim Oba is a recent adaptation by Yoruba to then tell us how we came about the name prefix.

Obafemi
Obayemi
Obadare
Obaseki

Asaba natives bear names like:
OBIMGBA
OBIORAH, and the traditional ruler of Asaba is called ASAGBA OF ASABA not Obi

The fat that yorubas bear obafemi, obayemi etc is inconsequential, because the OP did not imply that the yorubas do not have oba in their vocabulary; words could also be borrowed.

Let me escort you a little,
Yoruba word for maize is Agbadu
Asaba word for maze is Orgbadu

Yoruba word for plantain is Orgedeh
Delta-Igbo word for plantain is Orgedeh/ Ohgedey

Yoruba word for devil-bean is Iyelekpe
Parts of Igbo call it Igelekpe

One can go on and on, your argument does not hold any intellectual logic.
I want to learn the truth if it is available.

Oahray:
Somewhere between both claims is the truth.

Both nations originated and existed independent of each other. Until the binis ran into their Ogiso problem. Their prince marked for dead was spared and banished instead. He went west and established a monarchy there.

So great is the human reverence for what he does not know that he would give it supernatural undertones. The people only knew that he came from another place. Gradually they spun tales until the man eventually descended from heaven as a mystical being.

Both accounts agree that some Binis came and Oduduwa sent Oranmiyan with them. I do not believe a people with as big an ego as the binis have would beg a complete stranger to rule over them, or that any king would send his beloved child with strangers. Unless... Unless he knew them before.

That said, Oranmiyan was more raised to be more yoruba than bini. So when he went, he took his upbringing with him and struggled to adapt. He likely left more than just a son with the binis. He and his lineage influenced existing bini tradition. There's what is called cultural assimilation. It is inevitable when two cultures mingle.

I believe the Oba is a yoruba term, but I believe the yorubas got their monarchy from the Binis in the first place. Afterall Nigeria exports crude and imports refined petroleum. The fact that we import petroleum doesn't mean none of it could have originated somewhere under the Nigerian seabed.

Until I see better evidence, this is the most plausible marriage of both cultural accounts. No one descended from any heavenly chain.

But you see, the Binis themselves believe that the Ogiso (Ruler from the Sky) was a supernatural king that descended from the Sky and came to Rule the Edos.
What do you have to say about that?

aribisala0:
Guy I suggest you scroll back to the top. You quoted me and not the other way round. I am not here to answer stuupid questions. I have expressed my opinion on what I want to talk about and not what you want me to talk about. I am not here for an interview
I have said what I think. Intelligent people communicate with other intelligent people using intelligent prose. Unintelligent people see the world in binaries and like concrete communication. I cannot help such folk as the Yoruba say "Owe leshi oro"
If you do not like it that is too bad. It is not my place to determine a ranking of kings,personally I do not believe that and have said so several times.

Yes, I quoted you. But ya post was based on what I posited about vassals cos no one on the thread alluded to it apart from me.

Lmao @ being intelligent after posting something ludicrous that you can't back up with a direct and simple answer, hence you keep going around in circles, speaking in tongues. I bet it's either you didn't think it through before posting it or you don't know much about Yoruba history/culture/tradition, especially when it comes to kingship.

I believe in ya mind, ya argument was going to be centered around the Oba of Lagos, who's more like the of the Oba of Eko and Aworiland than Lagos state. You never considered the fact that there are prominent Ijebu kings in Lagos and an Ogu king - who're just on the same level as the Oba of Lagos, and an Awori king can never preside over an Ijebu king. That's why I had to use that to counter ya preposterous assertion and the premise it's based on. Next time, think something through before posting, smart arse. You did the same on the Davido thread

Even in Lagos, the Oniru and all the other Ijebu kings in Lekki/Ajah axis won't even concede superiority to the Oba of Lagos. That's the truth.

Step up, son.

Proudness the word OBA is only for God nt for humanbeing

francisbiz:
Asaba natives bear names like:
OBIMGBA
OBIORAH, and the traditional ruler of Asaba is called ASAGBA OF ASABA not Obi

The fat that yorubas bear obafemi, obayemi etc is inconsequential, because the OP did not imply that he yorubas do not have oba as vocabulary, words could also be borrowed.

Let me escort you a little,
Yoruba word for maize is Agbadu
Asaba word for maze is Ogbadu

Yoruba word for plantain is Orgedeh
Delta-Igbo word for plantain is Orgedeh/ Ohgedey

Yoruba word for devil-bean is Iyelekpe
Parts of Igbo call it Igelekpe

One can go on and on, your argument does not hold any intellectual logic.
I want to learn the truth if it is available.

Asagba is the title the office is obi of Asaba


So talk what you know

Where is ugomba

People prefer to believe that Moses parted the Red Sea with his rod so his "people" could walk on dry land and subsequently Jehovah rained manna from heaven to feed the Hebrews for forty years in the desert. That is a more credible story.

scholes0:
But you see, the Binis themselves believe that the Ogiso (Ruler from the Sky) was a supernatural king that descended from the Sky and came to Rule the Edos.
What do you have to say about that?

nah... If memory serves me right, Ogiso means 'King that look to the Sky' (shortened to sky king). It's based on their belief that the kings have some sort of divine guidance. I think the Yoruba claim that Oduduwa descended from the sky was influenced by this, and not the other way around.

Oahray:
nah... If memory serves me right, Ogiso means 'King that look to the Sky' (shortened to sky king). It's based on their belief that the kings have some sort of divine guidance. I think the Yoruba claim that Oduduwa descended from the sky was influenced by this, and not the other way around.

noo, not king that looks to the sky, but kings that came from the sky.
research it.... Everything you say is aimed at imposing the Bini account on the yoruba one..lol
Now Ogiso has influenced Yoruba account.

"Thus the Edo people believe that their kings come from the sky or more appropriately, from Heaven or from God. I

http://www.edofolks.com/html/pub55.htm